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Hi guys,
I have a N1 and have moved from Froyo to Sense. My question, are there any Custom roms which have the best of both worlds?
Froyo features I like, Pattern unlock without having to swipe unlock first, shows charge levels when charging.
Sense features I like, Widgets, Music Player.
Is there a custom rom with best of both, or can you load the HTC apps onto Froyo independently?
Thanks in advance.
Plz ask in the q&a forum.
I don't think the Froyo Sense rom is stable yet.
I found this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=714184
It has a black bar and is Froyo. It's pretty much a hacked stock build thats not bloated but rooted and ready for hacking.
player911 said:
I don't think the Froyo Sense rom is stable yet.
I found this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=714184
It has a black bar and is Froyo. It's pretty much a hacked stock build thats not bloated but rooted and ready for hacking.
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It's what I use.
Cool, I'm on this now, liking it. Will check it for a while. Well liking the way that the Google account pulls down all your apps you have installed, can switch roms in minutes.
Its honestly all opinions my friend
That's like asking: Do you like chocolate cake? Cause I like vanilla. My mom likes carrot cake, and my dad. Well. My dad likes apple pie.
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That's like asking: Do you like chocolate cake? Cause I like vanilla. My mom likes carrot cake, and my dad. Well. My dad likes apple pie.
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Your mom and dad are wrong. Vanilla is obviously the way to go
EDIT: OP: I wouldn't mess with any available sense froyo roms for awhile. Try out vanilla froyo and when good sense froyo roms are available you can check them out then.
Hey.
Do you have a AT&T version or a T-Mob version?...
If you have an At&t version could you please disable the 3g data and just enable the wifi and test if the wireless keep alive when the phone go to sleep
Thx.
jim29 said:
Hi guys,
I have a N1 and have moved from Froyo to Sense. My question, are there any Custom roms which have the best of both worlds?
Froyo features I like, Pattern unlock without having to swipe unlock first, shows charge levels when charging.
Sense features I like, Widgets, Music Player.
Is there a custom rom with best of both, or can you load the HTC apps onto Froyo independently?
Thanks in advance.
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Many good ROM's to try out. Just start with a ROM, flash it, test it for a few days, if you don't like it, try another.
No ROM is better than the other, is all about personal taste. Many people praise Cyanogen's work, though i admit he does a good job on his work, i prefer a ROM more closer to stock then i just take a little from others and put it in in the one i use for my own personal taste.
When is there going to be any alternate ROMs to run on the Captivate?
All I see are samsung ROMs that can be loaded on the Captivate, and they're all loaded up with crappy samsung touchwiz. Whether its "Cognition" or JF6 or JH7 or JI6, etc. the fact remains that these are all crappy samsung ROMs. Where's all the "openness" that I hear the pro-android crowd pumping day in and day out?
I guess I dont understand much about android, but why is it impossible to just load a purely stock version of the OS on the phone and have it run? I hate touchwiz. I hate the bluetooth stack that samsung put on the phone (no WII-mote gaming). I hate the absolutely ridiculous file system that samsung uses. I hate the fact that it takes 20 seconds to open up the phone dialer.
My dialer opens instantly and i like touchwiz.
But the 2.1 sources are there, if someone wants to build a generic 2.1 they can. I guess if someone really wanted it, they would build it.
It sounds like you would like to commission someone to build a Stock Android 2.1 build for the Captivate. You could try to motivate someone with a cash bounty.
Why not search the forum and see what is available for the phone instead of complaining. Roms are available that remove touchwiz and boatwear. Or get a phone that would suit you more since learning about android and the captivate don't work well for you.
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My dialer opens instantly and i like touchwiz.
But the 2.1 sources are there, if someone wants to build a generic 2.1 they can. I guess if someone really wanted it, they would build it.
It sounds like you would like to commission someone to build a Stock Android 2.1 build for the Captivate. You could try to motivate someone with a cash bounty.
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Yea, I would love a stock 2.1 or 2.2. Someone in the developer forum tried building an AOSP 2.1 but they stopped. They put out a version 0.1 and it had so much wrong with it, it was worthless. Things like having voice while on a call or being able to use data are pretty important things on a smartphone.
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Yea, I would love a stock 2.1 or 2.2. Someone in the developer forum tried building an AOSP 2.1 but they stopped. They put out a version 0.1 and it had so much wrong with it, it was worthless. Things like having voice while on a call or being able to use data are pretty important things on a smartphone.
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There is work being done right now on getting as close to aosp as they can......search cde aosp or browse the dev forum.
Also there are i9000 reorient roms you can run
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The devs are working on a Froyo AOSP rom. I'm sure it will be finalized and released for general consumption once the 2.2 source code is released.
You won't see any "true" AOSP builds until the devs can get the source from Samsung and find out how intertwined TW is integrated with the OS.
So you can flash to what is available currently or wait till early 2011 for the "final" ROMS to start coming out of the woodwork. Samsung announced that 2.2 is slowly rolling out to all Samsung Galaxy S devices this Oct... in Europe - so I don't think the Captivate crowd will see the update until late Nov/Dec of this year.
I know Design Gears is attempting to build one that is as close as your going to get to one right now. He almost has a "stable" build going but it is still being tweaked.
But.. the latest 2.2 Cognition build currently has TW removed and Launcher Pro installed. It isn't perfect but it is close to what you are looking for. I prefer .6 and kept TW on as the phone seems to rely on it pretty heavily for functionality. Only issue I get is a lag spike here and there but otherwise it runs great.
Hey guys. Just got a captivate a few days ago and I love it except for the gps. I was just wondering if the leaked build of froyo improves the gps at all and if its worth updating before they release the official one. If so, where can I find the latest version of the leaked build? Thank you for any help.
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The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.
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The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.
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x2...makes the phone 100x better.
Cognition 2.2 Beta 9.1.1
Grab this and never look back.
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I'm kinda on the fence about this as well. I should be getting my Captivate tomorrow and I have been doing a crap ton of research in the past few days. Everything I have read points to either the "Official Leaked Froyo 2.2" or the newest "Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1". My only concern is the known issues that are listed on the Cognition website...
MMS won't work if you have "(" or ")" in your phone numbers
Contact groups sometimes opens the wrong group, you can fix this by replacing it with an I9K contacts.apk, but then you lose AT&T contact syncing
No Voodoo voices, supercurio is working on this (first boot will take awhile, be patient!)
Everyone has the same device_id
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Is this true with both builds listed or just with the Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1? I'm also completely new to Android being that I am a fomer iPhone junkie. So any help, how-to's, or info would be appreciated. In all honesty I was going to start here, youtube.com/watch?v=S9YnSVvfHpQ and if that wasn't successful go ahead and try Cognition. I'm just the type of person that likes to have things working properly and fast, like everyone else.
And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.
I would point out that DesignGears has a perfectly rockin' cognition for eclair too. My first flash was 2.1.4 and it was amazing compared to stock eclair.
nothing really helps the gps, you either got it good, or not. (much research into that opinion btw.)
Cog 8.1+ is the shiz atm.
There's a couple of other froyo flavors also. I wouldn't go back to eclair at this point.
If nothin' else, it's a crap ton of fun flashin' and figuring stuff out. I'd do it just for that.
Not sure on MMS. I had no problems with it, but my numbers were already formatted without the parenthesis.
The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.
unless you use the i9000 ROM with captivate kernel, all Captivate Froyo builds are based off the captivate beta of Froyo.
It had a enough bugs that i rolled back to 2.1. Don't get me wrong, it is stable - but I figure i will wait for a more bug free beta to be the basis of my Froyo jump.
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The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.
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Not so much. You just gotta be patient and diligent. There's a couple of gems laying around but they are usually in the middle of a thread. The cognition thread for example. It's a beast to keep up with but given time you can digest most of what you need there. And there are plenty of links throughout that will clarify or intimidate as your experience and skill allow. Trouble is there's a TON of junk because people get impatient, or lazy I guess. Same questions, over and over.
I came to the captivate from a blackberry. Not much customization goin' on there. So as a stone noob, I read the cognition thread from post 1. All of it. I am a pretty confident android operator now. And I can't read nor write a line of code. In any language!
And you can too. Get busy, Grasshopper.
If you live on campus or rely on some sort of enterprise WIFI then go to froyo. Using eclair I could NEVER connect to the wifi at my school. It would say that I was connected of course but no data would transfer.
I switched to Froyo and haven't had problems since.
Also, my GPS is rockin!
alphadog, what "bugs" did you have when using Froyo? And what you mentioned is a lot of where my confusion comes into play, "kernals and ROMs" are like greek to me and I have no idea what they are or what the difference is between the two.
Sulphur, thanks so much for the advice. I'm gonna go check out the Cognition thread now and see what I can dig up. That's really what I needed, just a starting point. I'm thinking as of now I will go with the latest Cognition build for a bit and see how that goes.
DirtyRasa, no campus here but I do rely on wi-fi pretty heavily. I use it at home all the time to cut down on charges to my bill for data usage, so that's good to know. Just curious though, are you using the leaked Froyo or the Cognition build? And if you have had both which one do you prefer?
cybercowboy, wasn't trying to jack your thread or anything but I was in search of the same info as well.
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And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.
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More power to you. I see tons of people on here less than a month with hundreds of posts more than me.
-->Back on topic. YES go with Froyo! There are many options available, but for noobs, i'd reccomend the either a DG ROM or the leaked and tweaked.
Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thanks man, almost sounds as though you are one step ahead of me actually. I get my phone tomorrow and I was going to actually try the leaked first and then cognition. Let me know how things turn out for you and I will in return do the same.
So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.
U should of done DG's AOSP beta 3! That's what I'm rocking and have had it for almost a month and its amazing! I wanted to use cognition but I read on ppl saying they had bugs or it just wasn't stable for them. But to each their own! Unfortunately when I last checked DG closed the thread on that ROM. Glad to know u got froyo going! I made the switch from an iPhone jailbroken to the captivate and it's amazing! I'm still new to android but u just gotta read everything and their r so many ppl who are willing to help!
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With the announcement of the official froyo coming out in about two weeks, i think i'll just stay where I'm at for right now. I don't wanna try and win the triathlon with only a week training.
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So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.
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The pda and pit file are all you need. he just put everything in those two files. Flashes just fine that way.
Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!
mindbuRn said:
Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!
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Glad to hear it and no problem. My must have's are Launcher Pro, Root Explorer, xda app, and silly as it sound, beautiful widgets. I dunno. Taste has no template.
So after 2 awful years with a first gen Blackberry storm I decided to make the jump to android with the captivate. Originally I was holding out for the Nexus S as I really wanted a vanilla Android experience (I have a deep hatred for bloatware) but unfortunately around where I live it appears Verizon and AT&T are the only ways to go if you want any sort of decent coverage.
Anyways, I've been doing a bunch of research and watching videos the past week I've decided to flash either Perception (build 8) or Cognition (probably 2.3b6) and am leaning towards P8 as of now. I am wondering how much of these ROMs is vanilla android.
I realize from what I've read/watch that the touchwiz launcher is removed in both of these roms as well as the AT&T bloatware, but is much of the other base applications such as mail, media player, etc is still the samsung apps?
Basically, I'm wondering how close to vanilla android will the launcher/interface be with one of these Roms (obviously the roms include some additional apps, I guess I mean just the basic functionality/interface).
Also, is there a major difference between running a rom such as Perception or Cog opposed to simply unlocking/lag fixing and removing bloatware as far as general speed and lag. I know these roms are using leaked Froyo firmware opposed to the stock eclair I would have if I did not flash, but I'm curious how big of a leap in performance it is.
Thanks for the responses, hopefully my questions make sense, my captivates not coming till Monday (bought it through Amazon wireless) and I've been reading random android forums seemingly nonstop.
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So after 2 awful years with a first gen Blackberry storm I decided to make the jump to android with the captivate. Originally I was holding out for the Nexus S as I really wanted a vanilla Android experience (I have a deep hatred for bloatware) but unfortunately around where I live it appears Verizon and AT&T are the only ways to go if you want any sort of decent coverage.
Anyways, I've been doing a bunch of research and watching videos the past week I've decided to flash either Perception (build 8) or Cognition (probably 2.3b6) and am leaning towards P8 as of now. I am wondering how much of these ROMs is vanilla android.
I realize from what I've read/watch that the touchwiz launcher is removed in both of these roms as well as the AT&T bloatware, but is much of the other base applications such as mail, media player, etc is still the samsung apps?
Basically, I'm wondering how close to vanilla android will the launcher/interface be with one of these Roms (obviously the roms include some additional apps, I guess I mean just the basic functionality/interface).
Also, is there a major difference between running a rom such as Perception or Cog opposed to simply unlocking/lag fixing and removing bloatware as far as general speed and lag. I know these roms are using leaked Froyo firmware opposed to the stock eclair I would have if I did not flash, but I'm curious how big of a leap in performance it is.
Thanks for the responses, hopefully my questions make sense, my captivates not coming till Monday (bought it through Amazon wireless) and I've been reading random android forums seemingly nonstop.
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I always click thanks button before quote button now! Oh well.
I know cognition has twlauncher, not sure about perception (I don't remember..)
All custom ROMs have bloatware removed at your convenience. I'd say froyo is definitely faster. Either voodoo lagfix from xcal's kernel or lagfix from SetiroN's kernel gives a big performance increase. Cognition is based on a captivate rom whereas perception is based on an i9000 ROM.
No ROMs right now provide complete vanilla experience. I believe I read it somewhere that the Galaxy S line devices use rfs loops whereas usual android uses ext and this causes a problem for devs to port over vanilla android or other skins like HTC Sense. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong?) As of currently all the stable ROMs are based on froyo leaks with captivate, vibrant, or i9000.
I've tried many variations with stock roms, rooted, lag fixed etc. I currently use the cognition rom, latest one. It is much faster and better than the stock. It has voodoo lagfix built in. I haven't tried p8, because I like the cognition so well. I definately recommend giving cognition a try. I was also going to try Axura, but haven't for the same reason.
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Try Assonance or Axura. IMO they're more vanilla than Cognition or Perception.
Thanks for all the info all.
Honestly I haven't even looked into assonance or axura, are they as stable as Cog/Perception?
quarlow, when you say you use the latest version of Cog do you mean b6 or b7? I know b7 just came out a day or two ago. I'd stick with the non-oc versions, seems like they tend to have alot less issues from what I've read.
My bad, I'm using b6, I didn't know there was already another version. Yeah ... I don't do the oc thing. I have a hard enough time between charges without adding oc. It really is screaming fast already.
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Honestly I haven't even looked into assonance or axura, are they as stable as Cog/Perception?
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I haven't really tried Cognition or Perception, but I've tried both Axura and Assonance and both ROMs seemed really stable.
ah jeez, now that I've been looking into it, I think I'm gonna go with assonance. Seems like its alot more stable than either Cog/Perception from what people are saying.
Just curious though, how fast/smooth does it run? Compared to stock and/or Cog/Perception?
Axura gets my vote
Stable and fast without needing to overclock
Need to use google voice for vm notifications though
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All 2.2 Roms are smooth and fast compared to stock. Assonance will be your most vanilla (least amount of Samsung apps). Auxura is heavily themed and no where near vanilla. Plus it's based off of leaked Vibrant and I'm not a big fan (though I'm definitely in the minority here). Personal favorite is di11igaf's Rom. It is also heavily themed, but all themes can be changed and it works the best as far as functionality (my opinion, of course).
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All 2.2 Roms are smooth and fast compared to stock. Assonance will be your most vanilla (least amount of Samsung apps). Auxura is heavily themed and no where near vanilla. Plus it's based off of leaked Vibrant and I'm not a big fan (though I'm definitely in the minority here). Personal favorite is di11igaf's Rom. It is also heavily themed, but all themes can be changed and it works the best as far as functionality (my opinion, of course).
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I'll second this. di11igaf's ROM is the most stable and fastest I've used. It might not be "vanilla" since it is themed, but the dark theme on it is so nice. You'll like it. I've flashed this for friends at work and they all love it and they have no more forced close issues, whereas they complained frequently about FCs with Cognition.
If you don't mind beta software, CyanogenMod is the best. It's actually built from AOSP code, with only Samsung drivers. All the other custom roms are just modified versions of the stock rom/leaked rom.
I run perception 8 with gingerbread theme and vanilla apps injected in place of sammy ones... so I kinda feel like im running gingerbread
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First, I would like to thank Urabewe for all of his hard work in getting this ROM out here for our use. I feel it certainly does move faster than Thriller v1.1.0, but it's truly too soon to tell. I haven't dumped all of my apps onto the phone yet since flashing my Thrill 4G to this ROM.
Now I do have a concern with the current version of Froyo. One thing I liked about Thriller is that I was able to remove screens that I was not using, and I could also rearrange them with ease. I have not found a way to do this with Froyo. Is there a way to do it that I am just overlooking?
This n00b appreciates your help!
A friend who is less of a n00b told me that Froyo is older than Gingerbread so that is why he has never used it himself. So I am guessing it is just a limitation.
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First, I would like to thank Urabewe for all of his hard work in getting this ROM out here for our use. I feel it certainly does move faster than Thriller v1.1.0, but it's truly too soon to tell. I haven't dumped all of my apps onto the phone yet since flashing my Thrill 4G to this ROM.
Now I do have a concern with the current version of Froyo. One thing I liked about Thriller is that I was able to remove screens that I was not using, and I could also rearrange them with ease. I have not found a way to do this with Froyo. Is there a way to do it that I am just overlooking?
This n00b appreciates your help!
A friend who is less of a n00b told me that Froyo is older than Gingerbread so that is why he has never used it himself. So I am guessing it is just a limitation.
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its not a feature of a specific version of android but of the launcher you are using... i cant remember what launcher thriller comes with but it isnt stock so you have bunch of cool features like removing and managing screens.. try a different launcher like adw or launcher pro from the market and you will get these features back
Is Doomed really faster than Thriller?
Is it as stable?
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