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Bootloader locked/signed

According to birdmann on twitter and droidxforums the dx has the same encryption of the milestone... bummer
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Yeah, I posted this in another thread. Pretty unhappy about this, but I don't know if it's enough to drive me to another phone (probably the Fascinate).

Yea I think I might get it and taje it back before 30 days and keep my incredible until fascinate comes out or maybe another non motorola phone haha
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Ugh......do I cancel my Droid X Best Buy pre-order and wait for something else, being impatient all the time, or just go with it and forget about root/ROMs...
Decisions, decisions.

Uh you can still get root with a locked down bootloader.

Custom ROMs and recovery images may be a pipe dream, unless a serious vulnerability is discovered.
Source Androidpolice

titanfan said:
Uh you can still get root with a locked down bootloader.
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Right, but root still looks to be a long ways off, (he just estimated 4 months) though obviously nobody knows for sure.
http://twitter.com/mrweeeedbirdman

DROID X, DROID 2 Won't Allow Custom ROMs

the bright side to this is, with it having the same type of encryption as the MileStone devs have had 7 months to figure out what does and doesn't work.
better this than some crazy even more complicated encryption.

still able to root even with locked bootloader?

some apps requires root for it to works.

We don't know if it will be a locked bootloader. Let's hope it isn't and Moto is keeping to their promise to "work with both parties":
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-well-work-with-developers

I would love to know this too when the information is avaliable, i'm tring to get rid of my iphone to leave the big brother. If moto is going to pulling this crap then i'm going to get a htc or something else.

at&t will probably ask to be locked bootloader since at&t is pure evil

I don't understand why it seems to be such a big deal that Motorola has locked bootloader, since even the Nexus S has one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875580
Is there some sublety I'm missing? Is the "moto lock" harder to bypass than the "Sammy lock"?

What about the ATT and Verizon whole upgrade policy now. What the hell is going on there. i hate these companies

I don't understand why it seems to be such a big deal that Motorola has locked bootloader, since even the Nexus S has one?
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Yes, the "fastboot oem unlock" command only works on select devices mainly the Nexus One and Nexus S (probably a few other ones too like the milestone)
Most other phones have locked down bootloader by the manufacturer and do not unlock in the same way. You can take the Sony Xepria as an example of the worst possible scenario for having a locked phone
If Moto doesn't release the unlocking procedure, it will take time and in some case will not be possible to unlock the device and there won't be any Dev community actively working on the device.
Honestly they should all release the locked & unlocked version. You want peace of mind you get the locked version. You want to risk brick'ing your phone you get the unlocked and the carrier/manufacturer don't not to deal with you.
IMO this is who it should be.

yea..i am excited about this product and posted over in the Gtab forum (since Gtab is the WHOLE of my android experience being a 2+year iphone user)...and immediately was told "nope, not going to get one as it will most likely be locked".
Understood and appreciated but...
Well...look, i don't mind locked if the darn thing ships with working software and has at least 90% of the functionality i want out of the box. For example..as boring as the iphone has gotten, it works so i am ok with it being a walled garden.
In the case of the Gtab, its VERY intensively being rooted and and thats a good thing..because it was A NON FUNCTIONAL pos out of the box so modding it was a MUST.
Likewise if the Atrix works well out of the box ill be fine with it..if it doesnt work so great and is locked down..i either wont be buying one or ill be taking it back within the 3 day period.....
We will see i guess as i am kinda tired of how limited the iphone really is. I want an SD card and the ability to side load working stuff without using itunes. I want an HDMI output that i can watch movies on the hotel flat screen tvs just by plugging in my phone to it. I want to be able to get lap top functionality and/or use it as a mobile hot spot. I want to be able to hack in and get full use of tv.com and hulu. I want my sling box to work. I want to stream blue tooth to my car along with pandora and have blue tooth head phone funcionality, i want lots of cool easy to get and use apps. I want something i can get a keyboard to for content creation or at least give me a slide out keyboard (lets face it, touch screen is not as good for creating content no matter HOW good you are at the onscreen touch style key pads).
The atrix looks to fit the bill where as my Gtab is having to pull %75 of what i WISH my iphone could do for me (netflix being the exception of something my iphone does, that droid wont do). But for watching movies/tv, pluggin in a key board and typing, and surfing on a larger touch screen i could not be happier and am glad i avoided an ipad......I would also like better MS office/exchange support but think the atrix is an over all better solution than going with a win7 phone just for that one piece of the picture...
The hardware is there...the connectivity is there. It is 100% all going to come down to software and execution to determine if this thing is the solution i hope it will be versus a complete waste of time and energy (in which case it's... Samsung Infuse vs an HTC ((and continuing using the gtab )) i guess....)....

compta5 said:
at&t will probably ask to be locked bootloader since at&t is pure evil
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Yea, and installing apps from other than the market probably wont be allowed either.
Luckily that was all easy to fix on the Galaxy S, it was so easy to be rooted and load custom ROMS. Heck, there was a root procedure out for it before it was even released officially.

I'm with Allen. As long as it works, little need to mod it anyway.
The only mod that is a must is rooting to simply remove all the ATT junk.

But how can you remove system data( Att junk) if you can not have r/w access to system.
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I'm with Allen. As long as it works, little need to mod it anyway.
The only mod that is a must is rooting to simply remove all the ATT junk.
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mariosraptor said:
But how can you remove system data( Att junk) if you can not have r/w access to system.
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He said the only thing you need is root.

Nah, root and rom allows you to make it your *****. Otherwise your just dryhumping. Let us hope the smart guys make progress on this. I will not buy any phone that does not have developer support here. That one thing gives a phone a lot of extra legs and everything between here and end of life is the better for it. I'm a shoe in to buy this one if there are no other more worthy hardware options coming soon but I'll stick with my N1 if it cant be made to raise the whit flag until the next thing comes. XDA developer support IS NOT OPTIONAL!

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Nah, root and rom allows you to make it your *****. Otherwise your just dryhumping. Let us hope the smart guys make progress on this. I will not buy any phone that does not have developer support here. That one thing gives a phone a lot of extra legs and everything between here and end of life is the better for it. I'm a shoe in to buy this one if there are no other more worthy hardware options coming soon but I'll stick with my N1 if it cant be made to raise the whit flag until the next thing comes. XDA developer support IS NOT OPTIONAL!
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lmao ditto on all accounts!

Agreed. I sincerely hope moto doesn't bone us. Although i'm confused. from what I read the Droid X had a huge hullaballo about the efuse, however i've also read that there's no efuse with the tegra2, and the Droid X has custom roms. So what would a locked bootloader be? Are people referring to and "unlockable" locked bootloader?
I just want to see if the Atrix has wifi tether out of the box or if i'll have to *****-mount some other solution (IE; PDAnet). I really hope it either is out of the box or someone gets it running shortly after. PdaNet just did not seem to get on well with my ipad, and my captivate and streak both worked extremely well with the one built into 2.2

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Agreed. I sincerely hope moto doesn't bone us. Although i'm confused. from what I read the Droid X had a huge hullaballo about the efuse, however i've also read that there's no efuse with the tegra2, and the Droid X has custom roms. So what would a locked bootloader be? Are people referring to and "unlockable" locked bootloader?
I just want to see if the Atrix has wifi tether out of the box or if i'll have to *****-mount some other solution (IE; PDAnet). I really hope it either is out of the box or someone gets it running shortly after. PdaNet just did not seem to get on well with my ipad, and my captivate and streak both worked extremely well with the one built into 2.2
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Custom roms built on motorola's kernels. That's the big thing turn off with the DX/2/2Global/Milestone/everything besides the OG Droid.

That does make sense. But can a custom rom built on motos kernel enable items like wifi tether?

I doubt ATT will alow wifi tether out the box unless they can control it and charge you for it

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I doubt ATT will alow wifi tether out the box unless they can control it and charge you for it
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That I understand, even expect. However my streak and captivate were able to get it via roms, I was curious if that will be possible with a locked bootloader on the atrix. I'm not overly familiar with the development scene beyond loading roms and flashing kernals (ie I can do it but couldn't make my own). So I don't know if being limited to the moto kernal would restrict you from having wifi tether and was hoping someone more experienced could answer that one.

I think yes..
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That does make sense. But can a custom rom built on motos kernel enable items like wifi tether?
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At least for Milestone is Ok, nadlabak CM6 for example work really fine regarding tethering (USB and WiFi)
Let's hope a master piece like Atrix could be rooted and improved (if that's possible)

What does it theoretically take to get back on OTA path?

So i flashed 5.7.893 to solve my data issues knowing the consequences. I also assumed that some smart dev would eventually formulate a fix to make everything peachy again when the time came. The way I understand it now is this though.
Locked boot loader makes it necessary to have signed files to update via ota path.
OTA files are designed to only update from a certain version. Ex 5.5.893 update can only be applied from 5.5.886 stock install.
So if I upgraded to 5.7.893 no official update is going to ever work because I can't flash my radio to anything official now.
I'm sure I left out or have some details wrong. But if someone has a better understanding ans cares to share it that would be great. Stop the forever speculation about getting on path again and we can all just wait for the actual fix.
The way I'm understanding it now, we need an official release from moto that specifically addresses this problem to fix it. Something I wouldn't think they are inclined to do because they don't want anyone doing it in the first place.
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a replacement phone. Everything else is speculation at this point.

Irony.....
1) Verizon releases a phone with very problematic data problems. For me doesn't really do much to address the issue. Still paid 30$/month for "unlimited" data.
2) Motorola lets files "leak" that could potentially fix these problems.
3) Motorola does not support these files and will tell you your wrong for using them.
Let's think about this for a second. If you put a hot dog in front of a starving man and walk away, do you really have cause to be pissed when you return to see the hot dog gone?
I have owned a wide range of "smart" phones now and come to realize that they all have shortcomings, but they all need to do a few things without fail. Make phone calls, send text messages, and connect to data services. If you are going to charge me 30$ a month for unlimited data, I should have unlimited data.
Where we wrong by using an update that wasn't official? Nah, I was starving and that hot dog had my name written all over it.

Motorola did not "let the file leak", they were pulled from their test servers by very deliberate acts of altering the firmware of the device and then scanning the servers for files and downloading them.
This is akin to stealing them and was no fault of Motorola's other than perhaps a lax cloud server security regime.
The problem comes when such methods are proliferated and made into simple tools and users are encouraged to avail themselves without sufficient warnings about the risks and responsibilities associated with that act.
Nonetheless, these are clearly our own choices and we cannot expect Motorola to even publicly acknowledge the issue, even while we hope for a solution to be provided by whatever means.

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Motorola did not "let the file leak", they were pulled from their test servers by very deliberate acts of altering the firmware of the device and then scanning the servers for files and downloading them.
This is akin to stealing them and was no fault of Motorola's other than perhaps a lax cloud server security regime.
The problem comes when such methods are proliferated and made into simple tools and users are encouraged to avail themselves without sufficient warnings about the risks and responsibilities associated with that act.
Nonetheless, these are clearly our own choices and we cannot expect Motorola to even publicly acknowledge the issue, even while we hope for a solution to be provided by whatever means.
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I call B/S. Anyone that doesn't believe that Moto could have sequestered those files is dead wrong. They were there for a purpose. And they served their purpose.
Their refusal by inaction, to support those of us who "tested" their OTA's for them is at the very least unethical.
That is the way business works in 2011. Screw the consumer, let's make more money.
RMD

cellzealot said:
Motorola did not "let the file leak", they were pulled from their test servers by very deliberate acts of altering the firmware of the device and then scanning the servers for files and downloading them.
This is akin to stealing them and was no fault of Motorola's other than perhaps a lax cloud server security regime.
The problem comes when such methods are proliferated and made into simple tools and users are encouraged to avail themselves without sufficient warnings about the risks and responsibilities associated with that act.
Nonetheless, these are clearly our own choices and we cannot expect Motorola to even publicly acknowledge the issue, even while we hope for a solution to be provided by whatever means.
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I have read quite a bit of the hard work you've done for us sir, and I would like to say its much appreciated!
A company such as Motorola has the resources to guard the things they don't want others to have. Otherwise HTC, Samsung, LG etc. etc. etc. would always be a step ahead of them. If it was lax security on their part, they still set the hot dog in front of us...

1) The next official OTA is the leaked 5.7.893
2) An OTA down the road doesn't check the boot.img md5 and installs a full boot.img instead of just patching (I think the reason behind the requirement of having the previous version, not to spite the leak installers but to create a smaller download with just a patch).
3) Release singed zips of official OTA radio and boot (not sure why not, its not like anyone could hack these)
I would hope that at least the ICS release will require a new kernel that can't be just a patch but a full install. In that case I would also hope they would take out the md5 check.

How about the 5.9.901 OTA update that Motorola "mistakenly" pushed to users before testing was complete? They are going to have to fix that for those who received the update.
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The general thinking I have read is that the 5.9.901 update is a test for an Emergency Notification system that Moto is working on. It was rolled out to random phones for testing and wasn't intended for general release.
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I call B/S. Anyone that doesn't believe that Moto could have sequestered those files is dead wrong. They were there for a purpose. And they served their purpose.
Their refusal by inaction, to support those of us who "tested" their OTA's for them is at the very least unethical.
That is the way business works in 2011. Screw the consumer, let's make more money.
RMD
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That's kind of a warped way of looking at it. What were people doing poking around in their servers? Are you one of those guys that feels like anything is yours for the taking if the door wasn't locked?

While annoying moto told me that if you applied the leaks it didn't void the warranty so you can send it to them and they will get it back on the update path. Def annoying but there is a way back
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While annoying moto told me that if you applied the leaks it didn't void the warranty so you can send it to them and they will get it back on the update path. Def annoying but there is a way back
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Very bizarre and impressive that they support this.

Some people in this thread claiming they were able to get back to the upgrade path. From 5.7.893 to .886 stock then ota to 5.5.893
It's alot to read through.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/12749-getting-back-on-the-ota-update-path/

dagostin said:
While annoying moto told me that if you applied the leaks it didn't void the warranty so you can send it to them and they will get it back on the update path. Def annoying but there is a way back
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Well this is good news if the Moto rep is correct!

Method works. I myself am backon update path now.
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New Update Coming Tonight to Testers?

heard the news on androidcentral about a new update .902 being pushed to testers tonight, anyone trying it out?

someone get it out to us, if its true.

It appears that the next Motorola Droid Bionic update, which follows the massive bug fix roll out that happened back in December, is on the cusp of heading out to the public as the software is headed to testers tonight which means that a release should be just around the corner. The 5.9.902 update won’t be as packed as the previous one but it brings a couple of interesting things to Droid Bionic users.
The main thing here is that Verizon has removed the VCast Music preload aka bloatware from the phone. So if you haven’t rooted your device and gotten rid of it already, it’ll be gone soon enough.
Big Red has replaced VCast with another piece of bloatware in the Amazon MP3 app, an app that is arguably useful.
Droid Bionic
Other pieces of the update include:
Motorola Terms and Conditions screen automatically enables data collection/location details
Google security patch to block access to change Home panel icons
After factory reset, location consent screen shown on activation screen
Change “Terms and Condition” screen title to “Motorola Terms of Service”
So, not too exciting but this is a maintenance update and now a full-blown bug fixer. There are also still some mysteries here too, like, what does “Motorola Terms and Conditions screen automatically enables data collection/location details” entail exactly?
Fortunately, we should know everything there is to know about this 5.9.902 update later on today when it reaches Droid Bionic beta testers.

djr4x4 said:
It appears that the next Motorola Droid Bionic update, which follows the massive bug fix roll out that happened back in December, is on the cusp of heading out to the public as the software is headed to testers tonight which means that a release should be just around the corner. The 5.9.902 update won’t be as packed as the previous one but it brings a couple of interesting things to Droid Bionic users.
The main thing here is that Verizon has removed the VCast Music preload aka bloatware from the phone. So if you haven’t rooted your device and gotten rid of it already, it’ll be gone soon enough.
Big Red has replaced VCast with another piece of bloatware in the Amazon MP3 app, an app that is arguably useful.
Droid Bionic
Other pieces of the update include:
Motorola Terms and Conditions screen automatically enables data collection/location details
Google security patch to block access to change Home panel icons
After factory reset, location consent screen shown on activation screen
Change “Terms and Condition” screen title to “Motorola Terms of Service”
So, not too exciting but this is a maintenance update and now a full-blown bug fixer. There are also still some mysteries here too, like, what does “Motorola Terms and Conditions screen automatically enables data collection/location details” entail exactly?
Fortunately, we should know everything there is to know about this 5.9.902 update later on today when it reaches Droid Bionic beta testers.
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So the big thing is VCAST? The people that tried 901 made alot of claims about what it did. Would it be safe to say...those things are not listed in the fix list, but a result of trail and test?

902 is the same as 901 just with that lil extra crap that you see they added.. Only time will tell once reports from the soak testers start coming in...

how the heck you become a tester lol

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how the heck you become a tester lol
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https://forums.motorola.com/posts/77d4221775
That is the first step to get chosen to be a soak tester.

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902 is the same as 901 just with that lil extra crap that you see they added.. Only time will tell once reports from the soak testers start coming in...
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so, from your experience with 902, you like it better?

Ok cool and all..... but what about Root?
We barely were able to hang onto our Root with the .901 update!!
Has anyone found a way to root once on .901 or .902?
Because as you know the only way to get root on .901 was tricky and risky.

I love 901!!
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So, did anyone actually receive the .902 ota? These threads have been surprisingly quiet today. I know soak testers are sworn to secrecy. It would just be nice to know a soak test is actually in progress.

swc2001 said:
Ok cool and all..... but what about Root?
We barely were able to hang onto our Root with the .901 update!!
Has anyone found a way to root once on .901 or .902?
Because as you know the only way to get root on .901 was tricky and risky.
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Forever root worked fine for me. Nothing tricky or risky about it. And, as of last I heard, there's no way to root on .901 or .902. You need to forever root before moving up.

All,
In a posting on the Motorola Forums,
Matt says it is all a rumor:
"What the heck are you talking about? Why would we do this?
Guys, this is all just rumor. You know the soak tests have credibility when they post my confidential emails on the tech sites, right?"
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/40cc13fd3f?post=40cc13fd3f&start=91
I think for now this should be put to rest.

New Leak .235

I didn't upload. @unchoney over at droid hive uploaded to here.
http://www.megashare.com/4392491

josdad00 said:
I didn't upload. @unchoney over at droid hive uploaded to here.
http://www.megashare.com/4392491
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If you install this you CANNOT go back to GB ever.

mattlgroff said:
If you install this you CANNOT go back to GB ever.
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And why is that? I've been running SamauriHL's script to keep my data and update since .2233

zoompastu said:
And why is that? I've been running SamauriHL's script to keep my data and update since .2233
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Because the FXZ back to .902 is BLOCKED on the new release.

Worse yet, you can't go forward without a full 905 or ICS FXZ, either. If you do this leak, you WILL be stuck. If you attempt to FXZ to 902, you will soft brick your phone. You have been warned.

Dumb. You would think that our feedback on the leaks might help MOTO's development. It's as if they locked this one down as some form of revenge...
Glad I didn't update yet. I'lda gone nuclear.

It's the same thing they did on the D4 and RAZR. Except they had an FXZ for the version they were updating to ICS from. We don't. If we had a full 905 FXZ we could make this work to go forward. Once on 235+, however, there's NO going back to GB ever. And right now without an FXZ for 905 or the OTA ICS, 235 ain't going forward, either. That's what I call BAD.

Does someone have some method of completely obliterating data and dropping back the FXZ or some other form of information? Even if it's just some sort thing that only they can do.
Man, I don't get this one.
I'm not doing this one, that's for sure. Is ANYONE going to do that?
Thanks for the warning though!
and I feel bad for the poor fool who had to find out the hard way that it was a finality.

No one HAD to install it to find out. We ran the security checker on it and it showed us what we were dealing with. The person who posted the initial link did get impatient and installed it before we were able to check it. Now he's stuck.

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...and I feel bad for the poor fool who had to find out the hard way that it was a finality.
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I almost was that fool. I downloaded the file and hit the refresh button to see if there were anymore posts before updating my phone. Glad I did!

zoompastu said:
I almost was that fool. I downloaded the file and hit the refresh button to see if there were anymore posts before updating my phone. Glad I did!
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Same here but I was lurking Droidhive and found out there was no going back lol

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No one HAD to install it to find out. We ran the security checker on it and it showed us what we were dealing with. The person who posted the initial link did get impatient and installed it before we were able to check it. Now he's stuck.
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Well that's good for most people, and good that it was able to be spotted before too much damage was done over all...
I am just failing to see the logic of putting out an open source piece of software that locks you into it. The only thing I can see is that the leaks have bothered the OS builder and this is their way of stopping us from using them.

By the way Thank you SamuraiHL for that Awesome script you wrote to update with these leaks. Works GREAT!!

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Well that's good for most people, and good that it was able to be spotted before too much damage was done over all...
I am just failing to see the logic of putting out an open source piece of software that locks you into it. The only thing I can see is that the leaks have bothered the OS builder and this is their way of stopping us from using them.
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I can give you the logic. 235 is most likely a release candidate that they feel strongly will be the OTA. And moto has put a frack ton of effort into getting all the ICS builds on the different devices to be the same. This is less of a support headache for them. By locking devices to ICS only, the support costs go down for both moto and VZW because the builds are functionally identical. That's my guess.
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By the way Thank you SamuraiHL for that Awesome script you wrote to update with these leaks. Works GREAT!!
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You're very welcome.

SamuriHL said:
I can give you the logic. 235 is most likely a release candidate that they feel strongly will be the OTA. And moto has put a frack ton of effort into getting all the ICS builds on the different devices to be the same. This is less of a support headache for them. By locking devices to ICS only, the support costs go down for both moto and VZW because the builds are functionally identical. That's my guess.
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Can't they just end support for that saying you need to upgrade to our latest software and this will fix most of your problems if not all?
Either way, correct or incorrect on your part, it'll be fun to watch ideas thrown around by people and it will REALLY be fun to see one of you geniuses come up with a way around it. You know you will. 24 hours and one of you will crack the nut.

Don't look at me! I'm not one of those geniuses. You're talking about people like mattigroff, cellzealot, p3droid, dhacker, etc. Those are the guys who will crack this issue. What we REALLY need to solve this is the damn 905 FXZ. I've put out a request for it but I have no idea if I'll hear back from the person I asked or even if they have it. If we had that, we have a way forward.

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I am just failing to see the logic of putting out an open source piece of software that locks you into it. The only thing I can see is that the leaks have bothered the OS builder and this is their way of stopping us from using them.
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Agreed.

Open source doesn't mean that you can change the finished builds of the software or roll back after you install an update, it just means that you can make your own version using the source. The OS itself is open source, but the phones don't have to be fully open, and none of Motorola's since the DROID have been, at least on VZW.

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Well that's good for most people, and good that it was able to be spotted before too much damage was done over all...
I am just failing to see the logic of putting out an open source piece of software that locks you into it. The only thing I can see is that the leaks have bothered the OS builder and this is their way of stopping us from using them.
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The problem is your trying to talk logic while talking about Moto. Experience shows the two don't play well, people have been warning this would probably happen sooner or later throughout the ICS leak cycle.

Well, some of us theorize this marks the end of the ICS leak cycle and represents what's likely to be the soak candidate, but, we'll have to wait and see.