some apps requires root for it to works.
We don't know if it will be a locked bootloader. Let's hope it isn't and Moto is keeping to their promise to "work with both parties":
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-well-work-with-developers
I would love to know this too when the information is avaliable, i'm tring to get rid of my iphone to leave the big brother. If moto is going to pulling this crap then i'm going to get a htc or something else.
at&t will probably ask to be locked bootloader since at&t is pure evil
I don't understand why it seems to be such a big deal that Motorola has locked bootloader, since even the Nexus S has one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875580
Is there some sublety I'm missing? Is the "moto lock" harder to bypass than the "Sammy lock"?
What about the ATT and Verizon whole upgrade policy now. What the hell is going on there. i hate these companies
I don't understand why it seems to be such a big deal that Motorola has locked bootloader, since even the Nexus S has one?
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Yes, the "fastboot oem unlock" command only works on select devices mainly the Nexus One and Nexus S (probably a few other ones too like the milestone)
Most other phones have locked down bootloader by the manufacturer and do not unlock in the same way. You can take the Sony Xepria as an example of the worst possible scenario for having a locked phone
If Moto doesn't release the unlocking procedure, it will take time and in some case will not be possible to unlock the device and there won't be any Dev community actively working on the device.
Honestly they should all release the locked & unlocked version. You want peace of mind you get the locked version. You want to risk brick'ing your phone you get the unlocked and the carrier/manufacturer don't not to deal with you.
IMO this is who it should be.
yea..i am excited about this product and posted over in the Gtab forum (since Gtab is the WHOLE of my android experience being a 2+year iphone user)...and immediately was told "nope, not going to get one as it will most likely be locked".
Understood and appreciated but...
Well...look, i don't mind locked if the darn thing ships with working software and has at least 90% of the functionality i want out of the box. For example..as boring as the iphone has gotten, it works so i am ok with it being a walled garden.
In the case of the Gtab, its VERY intensively being rooted and and thats a good thing..because it was A NON FUNCTIONAL pos out of the box so modding it was a MUST.
Likewise if the Atrix works well out of the box ill be fine with it..if it doesnt work so great and is locked down..i either wont be buying one or ill be taking it back within the 3 day period.....
We will see i guess as i am kinda tired of how limited the iphone really is. I want an SD card and the ability to side load working stuff without using itunes. I want an HDMI output that i can watch movies on the hotel flat screen tvs just by plugging in my phone to it. I want to be able to get lap top functionality and/or use it as a mobile hot spot. I want to be able to hack in and get full use of tv.com and hulu. I want my sling box to work. I want to stream blue tooth to my car along with pandora and have blue tooth head phone funcionality, i want lots of cool easy to get and use apps. I want something i can get a keyboard to for content creation or at least give me a slide out keyboard (lets face it, touch screen is not as good for creating content no matter HOW good you are at the onscreen touch style key pads).
The atrix looks to fit the bill where as my Gtab is having to pull %75 of what i WISH my iphone could do for me (netflix being the exception of something my iphone does, that droid wont do). But for watching movies/tv, pluggin in a key board and typing, and surfing on a larger touch screen i could not be happier and am glad i avoided an ipad......I would also like better MS office/exchange support but think the atrix is an over all better solution than going with a win7 phone just for that one piece of the picture...
The hardware is there...the connectivity is there. It is 100% all going to come down to software and execution to determine if this thing is the solution i hope it will be versus a complete waste of time and energy (in which case it's... Samsung Infuse vs an HTC ((and continuing using the gtab )) i guess....)....
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Yea, and installing apps from other than the market probably wont be allowed either.
Luckily that was all easy to fix on the Galaxy S, it was so easy to be rooted and load custom ROMS. Heck, there was a root procedure out for it before it was even released officially.
I'm with Allen. As long as it works, little need to mod it anyway.
The only mod that is a must is rooting to simply remove all the ATT junk.
But how can you remove system data( Att junk) if you can not have r/w access to system.
TexUs said:
I'm with Allen. As long as it works, little need to mod it anyway.
The only mod that is a must is rooting to simply remove all the ATT junk.
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mariosraptor said:
But how can you remove system data( Att junk) if you can not have r/w access to system.
Sent from my LeeDroided Desire HD
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He said the only thing you need is root.
Nah, root and rom allows you to make it your *****. Otherwise your just dryhumping. Let us hope the smart guys make progress on this. I will not buy any phone that does not have developer support here. That one thing gives a phone a lot of extra legs and everything between here and end of life is the better for it. I'm a shoe in to buy this one if there are no other more worthy hardware options coming soon but I'll stick with my N1 if it cant be made to raise the whit flag until the next thing comes. XDA developer support IS NOT OPTIONAL!
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Nah, root and rom allows you to make it your *****. Otherwise your just dryhumping. Let us hope the smart guys make progress on this. I will not buy any phone that does not have developer support here. That one thing gives a phone a lot of extra legs and everything between here and end of life is the better for it. I'm a shoe in to buy this one if there are no other more worthy hardware options coming soon but I'll stick with my N1 if it cant be made to raise the whit flag until the next thing comes. XDA developer support IS NOT OPTIONAL!
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lmao ditto on all accounts!
Agreed. I sincerely hope moto doesn't bone us. Although i'm confused. from what I read the Droid X had a huge hullaballo about the efuse, however i've also read that there's no efuse with the tegra2, and the Droid X has custom roms. So what would a locked bootloader be? Are people referring to and "unlockable" locked bootloader?
I just want to see if the Atrix has wifi tether out of the box or if i'll have to *****-mount some other solution (IE; PDAnet). I really hope it either is out of the box or someone gets it running shortly after. PdaNet just did not seem to get on well with my ipad, and my captivate and streak both worked extremely well with the one built into 2.2
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Agreed. I sincerely hope moto doesn't bone us. Although i'm confused. from what I read the Droid X had a huge hullaballo about the efuse, however i've also read that there's no efuse with the tegra2, and the Droid X has custom roms. So what would a locked bootloader be? Are people referring to and "unlockable" locked bootloader?
I just want to see if the Atrix has wifi tether out of the box or if i'll have to *****-mount some other solution (IE; PDAnet). I really hope it either is out of the box or someone gets it running shortly after. PdaNet just did not seem to get on well with my ipad, and my captivate and streak both worked extremely well with the one built into 2.2
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Custom roms built on motorola's kernels. That's the big thing turn off with the DX/2/2Global/Milestone/everything besides the OG Droid.
That does make sense. But can a custom rom built on motos kernel enable items like wifi tether?
I doubt ATT will alow wifi tether out the box unless they can control it and charge you for it
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I doubt ATT will alow wifi tether out the box unless they can control it and charge you for it
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That I understand, even expect. However my streak and captivate were able to get it via roms, I was curious if that will be possible with a locked bootloader on the atrix. I'm not overly familiar with the development scene beyond loading roms and flashing kernals (ie I can do it but couldn't make my own). So I don't know if being limited to the moto kernal would restrict you from having wifi tether and was hoping someone more experienced could answer that one.
I think yes..
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That does make sense. But can a custom rom built on motos kernel enable items like wifi tether?
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At least for Milestone is Ok, nadlabak CM6 for example work really fine regarding tethering (USB and WiFi)
Let's hope a master piece like Atrix could be rooted and improved (if that's possible)
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If we can only get this thing rooted and not fully unlocked, then will we still be able to have wireless tethering and overclocking, because I know in order to do that you need a modiffied kernel, Right? The only way to flash a new kernel is the same way you would flash a custom rom. Please correct me if I'm wrong!!!
You can still get wireless tethering if you only root yes.
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You can still get wireless tethering if you only root yes.
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But not overclocking, I believe.
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But not overclocking, I believe.
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I'm pretty sure you can overclock with just root. The Milestone can be overclocked, and that only has root.
thats good, so to me the only major reason why we would want to be able to flash different roms is so we can get the latest version of Androis ASAP! Otherwise once 2.2 hits the DX we only need root to do the other awsome things! I only care for Overclocking, wireless tethering, titanium backup, and deleting system apps, and a few other random apps requiring root!
What about modifying themes heavily?
Having using a Blackberry in the past, one of the best things about it was the fact that the main theme could be heavily modified, (and often very easily via quick downloads) to show such things as upcoming calendar events, missed calls, and the intros of recent texts and emails; all on one screen at the same time, as well as weather and time. I don't really need apps on my main screen as much as a proper log of what I've missed, is coming up, etc..
The "Today" theme, in its many variations is a common example.
Is this something that's possible just by being rooted? Is this possible without even being rooted? Do any Android phones that are fully hacked open even have the possibility to re-arrange their home screen in a such a way?
I've seen that a calendar and weather/time can be easily done, but I'm looking for something kind of like this (it would show newly unchecked emails and texts if there are any, and rolling over the calendar reveals upcoming events):
img202.imageshack.us/img202/6293/bbscreenshot3.jpg
Here's a similar type I also used, that is less minimalistic:
hulkster1970.com/theme/9000/v2/v2_13.jpg
Of course these I used on a much small BB Bold 9000 screen, so I can't imagine what the Droid X could do, if these types of modifications are possible?
Root enough for that? Fully unlocked enough? Just not possible, and I expect too much?
Thanks,
--bb
If that is the interface that your interested in, you should check out the home replacement Slidescreen, it has that kind of layout.
wireless tethering is the only thing I care for NOW.
maybe when Gingerbread comes out then I want some
Irishpride said:
If that is the interface that your interested in, you should check out the home replacement Slidescreen, it has that kind of layout.
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That's absolutely perfect. I will gladly drop $7 for that.
Thanks very much, Irishpride!
/That requires no rooting, or full boot access then? That's exactly what I'm looking for.
can a phone with root only access be flashed to other carriers such as cricket or would you need access to the bootloader?
By the way guys, P3 and Birdman are saying that this might take a very long time to get rooted if not never.
bladebarrier said:
That's absolutely perfect. I will gladly drop $7 for that.
Thanks very much, Irishpride!
/That requires no rooting, or full boot access then? That's exactly what I'm looking for.
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That is pretty cool. Kind of reminds me of my WinMo 6.5 home screen to be honest.
I thought the same thing.
@titanfan, My understanding is that rooting will not be especially difficult or easy, rather flashing custom ROMs will be nearly impossible due to the encrypted bootloader. In other words, the X will be in.the same boat as the Milestone since they share the same bootloader. Please correct if I am wrong
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@titanfan, My understanding is that rooting will not be especially difficult or easy, rather flashing custom ROMs will be nearly impossible due to the encrypted bootloader. In other words, the X will be in.the same boat as the Milestone since they share the same bootloader. Please correct if I am wrong
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Birdman said point-blank, 4+ months for root.
http://twitter.com/mrweeeedbirdman
"If you want a rootable phone, wait 4 months or so on your droid x." Posted July 9th at 11:18pm PST.
However, he's giving cryptic hints today that there's some big news coming about the Droid X. Maybe we're in luck.
Don't need root for BT tethering
BT thethering is already working out of the box with Windows 7 and Linux.
There is another thread in general I think where I've given some instructions. Don't need to pay for tethering.
http://software2tech.com/tag/how-to-root-motorola-milestone-xt701/
It's called Easy Root. It supposedly uses some new BlueTooth Exploit.
Apparently this is a full milestone root that allows overclocking tethering and stuff, I will get back when I try it and confirm it works.
In the mean time, has anyone tried it?
I think it will work. I used universal androot and everything worked fine with it.
I use it, it works fine.
i dont see whats so hard about swapping .sbf files and dropping an update...
are people really too lazy to get things done anymore?
..everyone seems to just want an "easy button"
Personally I don't think things should be too easy...sometimes people do things without fully understanding what they're doing, then show up for warranty service/tech support and are kicked out of the room
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i dont see whats so hard about swapping .sbf files and dropping an update...
are people really too lazy to get things done anymore?
..everyone seems to just want an "easy button"
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This has nothing to do with the simplicity, and everyone to do with Donny's OS. He's exclusively a Mac user, which means there's suddenly a lot of things that are so hard about swapping .sbf files, seeing as Motorola decides that the third largest computer producer in North America doesn't need RSD Lite. He's looking for a one-click root on recommendation from another thread in this forum.
You should consider all possibilities before judging someone for their methods.
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This has nothing to do with the simplicity, and everyone to do with Donny's OS. He's exclusively a Mac user, which means there's suddenly a lot of things that are so hard about swapping .sbf files, seeing as Motorola decides that the third largest computer producer in North America doesn't need RSD Lite. He's looking for a one-click root on recommendation from another thread in this forum.
You should consider all possibilities before judging someone for their methods.
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Thanks a lot man, it's true thoughh! I am actually pretty tech savy, I used to have an iPhone and decided to switch to android because I got bored. I just didn't realize there was little Mac compatibility. I am still just trying to figure this whole thing out
Is this supposed to be a full root? as in the milestone kernel?
Regards, PK
I have no idea what you mean by "as in the milestone kernel" as I'm sure you know, we cannot touch the Kernel.
As by full root, I believe this is "Level 1" root (?) - though I maybe corrected on this.
Sounds like you know exactly what I am talking about. Yes I was talking about what you refer to as "level 1" root. Long-shot & wishful thinking but a fair question don't you think? "Root" on every other phone I have means just that.
Overwhelming yes, but "never"? Know how many times the frigging pentagon gets compromised everyday? This is a frigging cell phone, nasty encryption yes but there's more than one way to skin a cat...who knows.
Anyway the points moot, if the chattering class is on target the milestone "kernal" is already out there being fiddled with...supposedly on it's way.
PK
It works - easy peasy.
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It's called Easy Root. It supposedly uses some new BlueTooth Exploit.
Apparently this is a full milestone root that allows overclocking tethering and stuff, I will get back when I try it and confirm it works.
In the mean time, has anyone tried it?
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It works - easy peasy.
pk2 said:
This is a frigging cell phone, nasty encryption yes but there's more than one way to skin a cat...who knows.
PK
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Very true , sadly there was no big interest from dev/ hackers to succeed at doing this , now this phone is already considered an old phone ( 11 months old) so chances are 'cat' will be out of the bag and nobody will care anymore ..
I like the device enough to consider the XT720 if the fastboot trick would allow us to boot custom kernel ... sadly I will probably be on the hunt for another TRUE DEV phone this time .
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I like the device enough to consider the XT720 if the fastboot trick would allow us to boot custom kernel
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..i boot from fully off, to fully loaded in about 9 to 12 seconds... restart only takes about 34 seconds to complete the cycle. Not sure why everyone is flipping-shiz about this fast-boot thing. Just look around and try some roms and edit them up some.
The TelusLite v5 rom boots around 15 seconds by default. You can lower it by adding in mem-hack and overclocking it.
I tried all known methods for rooting but all failed.
Even when you unlock it there is still no TWRP available for the 701.
I asked the devs of twrp on their website to take a look at the 701.
If anyone has more knowledge about progress made on this subject please react here.
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Knock it Off Please
Ok, forum just opened and;
1. Posted in the development forum instead of General or Q & A (shame shame)
2. Flaming already starts
Knock it off people. Jeeze..... Things will come in good time. Unless of course you want to rush things and brick yer tabs
Keep it clean people.
MD
Now, if you have fastboot OEM unlock,
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Then perhaps you can pull your boot.img, separate zImage from Ramdisk, modify ro.secure=0, add RW comments, repack your boot.img, fastboot flash boot boot.img, then install BB and SU.
Just a thought.
MD
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Now, if you have fastboot OEM unlock,
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Then perhaps you can pull your boot.img, separate zImage from Ramdisk, modify ro.secure=0, add RW comments, repack your boot.img, fastboot flash boot boot.img, then install BB and SU.
Just a thought.
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Sad part the "Fastboot OEM unlock" won't work cause Asus has theirs encrypted. You have to use their unlocking tool to unlock your bootloader. Given fact it can work, been trying it for 2 days now and stupid app won't unlock my bootloader. Read my S/N may not be registered in their database so emailed them complaining about another service that doesn't work.
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Sad part the "Fastboot OEM unlock" won't work cause Asus has theirs encrypted. You have to use their unlocking tool to unlock your bootloader. Given fact it can work, been trying it for 2 days now and stupid app won't unlock my bootloader. Read my S/N may not be registered in their database so emailed them complaining about another service that doesn't work.
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They'll get around to it. Heck, when I had to turn in my A701 to service center, they didn't even know it had been released Tried telling me it was a "leaked and illegal" tablet.
Good luck with the bootloader mate, but root after that should be pretty straight forward. (fingers crossed)
I think that unlocking bootloader is bad idea. After that the warranty will be void...
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They'll get around to it. Heck, when I had to turn in my A701 to service center, they didn't even know it had been released Tried telling me it was a "leaked and illegal" tablet.
Good luck with the bootloader mate, but root after that should be pretty straight forward. (fingers crossed)
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Yeah well tried to call them and got the usual "just send it back" well not waiting 2-3 weeks just get to get it back. Since there is something wrong with the charge port anyways just gonna send it back to amazon to have new one in couple days. Gotta love the return policy.
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I think that unlocking bootloader is bad idea. After that the warranty will be void...
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Um thats just lame excuse from companies to force us to keep their crap on the devices we purchase. All my devices are rooted and unlocked and not one has died yet. After going through and disabling 2/3rds of crap on this tablet now I want that few hundred megabytes back in space. For as much crap I disabled I wouldn't be surprised im more close to 1gb back.
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They'll get around to it. Heck, when I had to turn in my A701 to service center, they didn't even know it had been released Tried telling me it was a "leaked and illegal" tablet.
Good luck with the bootloader mate, but root after that should be pretty straight forward. (fingers crossed)
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What a morons sometimes. Strange because I had the issue with the connection between dock and tablet where the connection between the 2 for a split moment was gone when adjusting the tilt angle, I got an immediate replacement. This problem I guarantee you we will see more often showing up here.
And what the rooting concerns: when the TWRP devs have their version for the 701 finished, it will be not that hard anymore. Just takes some time before that is done.
And for the flaming thing sorry, but I don't like to get hit by childish behavior when just reporting and next to that by a guy that is probably half my age and just comes looking in here (look @ date I joined xda lol)
Thanks for removing that post.
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What a morons sometimes. Strange because I had the issue with the connection between dock and tablet where the connection between the 2 for a split moment was gone when adjusting the tilt angle, I got an immediate replacement. This problem I guarantee you we will see more often showing up here.
And what the rooting concerns: when the TWRP devs have their version for the 701 finished, it will be not that hard anymore. Just takes some time before that is done.
And for the flaming thing sorry, but I don't like to get hit by childish behavior when just reporting and next to that by a guy that is probably half my age and just comes looking in here (look @ date I joined xda lol)
Thanks for removing that post.
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Hate returns. Took 3 months to get a refund. (welcome to Russia). Honestly, it was all due to rush jobs on CWM for the 510 and 700's. Bozos were in a rush to be the first, and used the "fstab's" from the wrong device. Bricked several tabs before I put a stop to it. Basically ruined the emmc memory. Mainboard replacements.
Well, I know folks are itchy to get things going. What starts as a joke, turns into flaming.
You folks always remember, takes 2 people for an argument. You all have the "Report Post" button on the toolbar. Please use it.
Honestly, I expect you folks to help each other out. Makes for a better forum.
Carry On!
MD
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What a morons sometimes. Strange because I had the issue with the connection between dock and tablet where the connection between the 2 for a split moment was gone when adjusting the tilt angle, I got an immediate replacement. This problem I guarantee you we will see more often showing up here.
And what the rooting concerns: when the TWRP devs have their version for the 701 finished, it will be not that hard anymore. Just takes some time before that is done.
And for the flaming thing sorry, but I don't like to get hit by childish behavior when just reporting and next to that by a guy that is probably half my age and just comes looking in here (look @ date I joined xda lol)
Thanks for removing that post.
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well next time you may want to think twice before asuming someone younger than you. guess i am to young to know where the movie that reference came from. i already have the boot.img altered and ready to try. also dont ask for it, havent tested it yet so going to have to wait till amazon gives me new one. it really isnt hard to alter, moscow already gave instructions.
Update Amazon has shipped my new tablet so may be here tomorrow (i hope) if my new boot.img works and gives me root then I will pass it on, sadly though it won't be in a format in which you can just use a custom recovery, you have to flash it manually but if it works I will post how to flash it (all i need to remember is which tools to zip up in the entire SDK) LOL.
Interesting discussion..
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Tiger62651 said:
Um thats just lame excuse from companies to force us to keep their crap on the devices we purchase. All my devices are rooted and unlocked and not one has died yet. After going through and disabling 2/3rds of crap on this tablet now I want that few hundred megabytes back in space. For as much crap I disabled I wouldn't be surprised im more close to 1gb back.
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It is VERY lame. I sold my TF700 because of the slow I/O causing lag that I couldn't live with. Of course I had the bootloader unlocked, so the warranty was void. I divulged that info in the eBay auction for the most part (I didn't say the warranty was void because I didn't know that was the case. Ignorant, I know). Anyway, the new owner of my TF700 emailed me after a couple months asking me why ASUS was charging them $280 for fixing the faulty touchscreen. They said ASUS says it's not under warranty because of the unlocked bootloader. I felt bad for the new owners, having to fork out the money. They're $800 into the TF700 w/dock at this point.
So I would say: Think twice before unlocking the bootloader on the TF701, when custom-recovery even comes out for it.
Personally, with my TF701 that I ordered on newgg today, I am going to leave the bootloader locked for awhile. I can live with the stock ROM, hopefully with root access. Maybe after a few months I'll unlock the bootloader. It would be nice to do it in a way that didn't void the warranty. What an asinine policy by ASUS. There is no way the unlocked bootloader led to the touchscreen failing on my old TF700....no way!
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It is VERY lame. I sold my TF700 because of the slow I/O causing lag that I couldn't live with. Of course I had the bootloader unlocked, so the warranty was void. I divulged that info in the eBay auction for the most part (I didn't say the warranty was void because I didn't know that was the case. Ignorant, I know). Anyway, the new owner of my TF700 emailed me after a couple months asking me why ASUS was charging them $280 for fixing the faulty touchscreen. They said ASUS says it's not under warranty because of the unlocked bootloader. I felt bad for the new owners, having to fork out the money. They're $800 into the TF700 w/dock at this point.
So I would say: Think twice before unlocking the bootloader on the TF701, when custom-recovery even comes out for it.
Personally, with my TF701 that I ordered on newgg today, I am going to leave the bootloader locked for awhile. I can live with the stock ROM, hopefully with root access. Maybe after a few months I'll unlock the bootloader. It would be nice to do it in a way that didn't void the warranty. What an asinine policy by ASUS. There is no way the unlocked bootloader led to the touchscreen failing on my old TF700....no way!
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Gee thanks for the advice. Lets just say for practicality so you know when I got my Xoom 2 days later I rooted it. Couple years later works fine just slow now so time for new one. I have 701 right now and its blazing fast.
2nd let me shine some advise for you. For starters you can't "root" a device with a locked bootloader. Requires altering the boot.img to tell system to boot up differently and allow you access to the "restricted" file system. To access the flash portion of that requires you to open it up. One way or another you will have to unlock the bootloader to root the device. I myself just want root, I want to just remove the unwanted junk and free up that wasted space and install ad blocking software.
What each person chooses to do with the root is up to them, regardless if Asus wants to void the warranty or not. Just need little common sense and know how to use google to figure what you want to do. If your to cautious to do that then I highly suggest not touching it and leave it as is. To me its never a "think twice" once you root and have full access to the product you bought, it makes the device so much better to use and gets rid of unwanted bloatware. Especially the ad blocking apps which helps on phone contracts with capped data helps keep your data way down since ads use a lot of data.
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2nd let me shine some advise for you. For starters you can't "root" a device with a locked bootloader. Requires altering the boot.img to tell system to boot up differently and allow you access to the "restricted" file system. To access the flash portion of that requires you to open it up. One way or another you will have to unlock the bootloader to root the device. I myself just want root, I want to just remove the unwanted junk and free up that wasted space and install ad blocking software.
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Your statements sound completely wrong to me. Of course you can root without unlocking the bootloader. I have rooted two phones and my TF201, all without unlocking; I rooted the TF201 soon after buying it, and only unlocked the bootloader more than a year later.
Rooting doesn't force you to forfeit warranty service, but unlocking does. (Note that you can unroot a device before sending it in for service, but you can't "relock" an unlocked device.) So it makes perfect sense as Snake suggests to hold off on unlocking, at least until you are sure all the hardware in your device is working perfectly.
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Update Amazon has shipped my new tablet so may be here tomorrow (i hope) if my new boot.img works and gives me root then I will pass it on, sadly though it won't be in a format in which you can just use a custom recovery, you have to flash it manually but if it works I will post how to flash it (all i need to remember is which tools to zip up in the entire SDK) LOL.
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You can use a windows app called Virtuous Ten Studio (created by Diamondback ) Senior Mod and RD. It'll unpack your boot.img to allow editing ramdisk. Heck, it'll also de-odex, decompile apks with built in support for most API levels in a windows UI. No need to mess with apktools and such.
Free version in the XDA forums. Think you have to install latest MS .Net though. Can't remember. Give it a go. If you're a ROM cooker, it's a must.
An unlocked bootloader is usually 90% of the battle when getting full root (full means system RW access). Locked bootloaders is why rooting can involve finding exploits, which is why so many root apps are out there. Not saying what worked on the Acer 500/501, 510/511 and 700/701 tabs will work for the TF701, but it's worth investigating.
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You can use a windows app called Virtuous Ten Studio (created by Diamondback ) Senior Mod and RD. It'll unpack your boot.img to allow editing ramdisk. Heck, it'll also de-odex, decompile apks with built in support for most API levels in a windows UI. No need to mess with apktools and such.
Free version in the XDA forums. Think you have to install latest MS .Net though. Can't remember. Give it a go. If you're a ROM cooker, it's a must.
An unlocked bootloader is usually 90% of the battle when getting full root (full means system RW access). Locked bootloaders is why rooting can involve finding exploits, which is why so many root apps are out there. Not saying what worked on the Acer 500/501, 510/511 and 700/701 tabs will work for the TF701, but it's worth investigating.
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Thanks for the windows tip but I use VMware with Ubuntu installed and have my harddrive mapped as network drive to transfer files between. Much easier this way. I will check out the program though may need it for some APK altering of certain app (I hope).
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Thanks for the windows tip but I use VMware with Ubuntu installed and have my harddrive mapped as network drive to transfer files between. Much easier this way. I will check out the program though may need it for some APK altering of certain app (I hope).
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Ha, I use a dual boot (win7 and Ubuntu). Old lappy didn't run too well with VM. Need any help, shoot me a PM. Will share what I know.
There's a few other things you can do im Ramdisk, like increase read ahead cache, run a service to update lto.dat automatically (GPS) and a few others.
I only boot to win7 when I want to unpack/repack and boot images when I do kernel builds. (I'm lazy)
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Ha, I use a dual boot (win7 and Ubuntu). Old lappy didn't run too well with VM. Need any help, shoot me a PM. Will share what I know.
There's a few other things you can do im Ramdisk, like increase read ahead cache, run a service to update lto.dat automatically (GPS) and a few others.
I only boot to win7 when I want to unpack/repack and boot images when I do kernel builds. (I'm lazy)
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Yeah that works just pain to have to shut down windows to boot ubuntu. My PC is a power house, set VMware with 4gb of RAM and still not slowing my PC down LOL.
well new tablet in and little troubleshooting seems problem is bad charge cable, new one starts to charge 1/2 way in, other little flaky. but even new tablet fresh out of box wont let me unlock it so asus tw asked for screen shot of my ids, waiting reply.
I bought an HTC Desire 510 few months ago cause my Xperia ARC died (was the best phone I ever had).
Now I am very disappointed with the HTC 510, mainly cause of it's awful operating system bundled by google ALL OVER the place
The user interface is a one big disaster, so much annoying and unnecessary stuff... besides the annoying bloatware (parental control app? srsly?)
I really wanna root this phone and change it's OS to those similar of gingerbreed, cyanogen etc but I don't know how to do this with my current phone
and don't even know what custom operating systems are available for the model I have.
What annoys me about the user interface:
*Often lowers the earphone music volume without my permission then gives me this annoying warning that making it higher will damage my hearing - srsly?
*Screen tends to lower it's lighting and back again by itself while I use the phone
*A button at the bottom of the menu that looks like a "home logo" will open somekind of useless google page each time I drag that button up by mistake.
*Terrible and irremovable Gallery app, not to mention it displays images in uncomfortable way, it also features a slideshow which often plays automatically without me asking it to each time I enter a photo album.
*Poorly made irremovable alarm clock app
*Other forced google apps installed on my phone which i don't use and can't just get rid of
*Bad just bad option of organizing apps, well for me atleast, back on my Xperia ARC I used to organize my apps by "commonly used apps" feature, went great, here it's just wacky, it doesn't do it automatically after you set it to organize the following way. So I find myself surfing through all the useless apps to find the app I need at the app menu.
Can anyone give me guidance or recommendation for an alternative Operating System I could replace this horrific google product infecting my phone since I bought it?
I presume this phone would become amazing with a new custom OS, did anyone changed the OS on their HTC 510? if yes what you use and how is it?
Also I know to root this device you first need to unlock the bootloader, is there anything else important I need to know when rooting it?
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horrific google product
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Perhaps you should buy an iPhone.
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VigiDroid said:
Perhaps you should buy an iPhone.
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Beggars can't be choosers. Of course this person is trying to be both.
Sofia_ZARAZA said:
I bought an HTC Desire 510
Can anyone give me guidance or recommendation for an alternative Operating System I could replace this horrific google product infecting my phone since I bought it?
I presume this phone would become amazing with a new custom OS, did anyone changed the OS on their HTC 510? if yes what you use and how is it?
Also I know to root this device you first need to unlock the bootloader, is there anything else important I need to know when rooting it?
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Dude really. Maybe you should have checked out the forums of this model B4 you bought it. That being said, since you say you are unlocked and rooted then doing a quick search should get you everything you need to rid yourself of all that is bothering you. Depending on what you have and with whom there are some pretty good options out there to use. Check it out and start doing it.
Or you could just throw your phone in the lake, buy and Iphone and forget about it. Bam!
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Dude really. Maybe you should have checked out the forums of this model B4 you bought it. That being said, since you say you are unlocked and rooted then doing a quick search should get you everything you need to rid yourself of all that is bothering you. Depending on what you have and with whom there are some pretty good options out there to use. Check it out and start doing it.
Or you could just throw your phone in the lake, buy and Iphone and forget about it. Bam!
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I actually planned to buy Galaxy 3, heard it was good but also had slow loading problems, then I was offered an alternative of this HTC for the same price and faster working system. It was a spontaneous buy.
And I thought buying an Iphone but changed my mind cause of the "itunes" thing.
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Ok, how do I deal with the "menu" thing where I want to authomatically always to arrange my icons by last used but cant right now?
I tried themes, but those are so intrusive and full of advertising, well those I tried so far.. (if there are any good ones to recommend I'd give a try) and how about disabling the annoying requests of updates I don't even need? <--(forgot to mention this issue) And how about issues 1-3 I mentioned? any idea how i deal with those then? You talk as if it's so easy, show me then.
About the lake.. better to throw to those who came up with this terrible phone idea
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I actually planned to buy Galaxy 3, heard it was good but also had slow loading problems, then I was offered an alternative of this HTC for the same price and faster working system. It was a spontaneous buy.
And I thought buying an Iphone but changed my mind cause of the "itunes" thing.
Ok, how do I deal with the "menu" thing where I want to authomatically always to arrange my icons by last used but cant right now?
I tried themes, but those are so intrusive and full of advertising, well those I tried so far.. (if there are any good ones to recommend I'd give a try) and how about disabling the annoying requests of updates I don't even need? <--(forgot to mention this issue) And how about issues 1-3 I mentioned? any idea how i deal with those then? You talk as if it's so easy, show me then.
About the lake.. better to throw to those who came up with this terrible phone idea
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All I can say (and I never said it was easy) is for you to subscribe to all of the HTC 510 Forums and start reading thru the threads. In your case, the most helpful one being this one..."Help & Troubleshooting" if you can not find answers to your particular questions then I would assume that means we just aren't there yet. This is a pretty new device after all. I wouldnt know about themes being I am on custom ROM and that is not an option. You should maybe go for the Unlock and root your phone method. Try out some of the ROMs available. I believe that will alleviate many of your issues since the stock ROM that came with these units have multiple issues. Many of them are the same ones you are experiencing. I wish you well and Read, Read, Read.
Good Luck
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Ok, how do I deal with the "menu" thing where I want to authomatically always to arrange my icons by last used but cant right now? I tried themes, but those are so intrusive and full of advertising, well those I tried so far.. (if there are any good ones to recommend I'd give a try) and how about disabling the annoying requests of updates I don't even need? <--(forgot to mention this issue) And how about issues 1-3 I mentioned? any idea how i deal with those then? You talk as if it's so easy, show me then.
About the lake.. better to throw to those who came up with this terrible phone idea
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You should definitely read through the forums if you haven't so far. I have read/skimmed every thread here about our phone and I almost have no questions or concerns except for some ideas for a couple of issues that haven't been brought up yet or just not yet done.
I only use Sense Home or Dodol Launcher and they both don't have the option to sort by last used, check out Nova, Apex, or some other launcher.
As far as the update is concerned, you can follow this post by LarryBoyG, if you plan to stay on stock. I'm sure a custom ROM will be built that includes the update, unless everyone just wants to wait for Lollipop.
I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess
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Well I found this http://www.rootupdate.com/2016/08/root-samsung-galaxy-note-7-without-pc.html?m=1 and it says Chainfire has a root file for it. It doesn't specify the carrier or anything but there's hope I guess
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yep i hope its that easy lol
i'm going to guess the bootloader is locked like the s7 edge. hopefully it's not too long before we have a exploit to root.
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I've been away from android for about 2 years but the note 7 had me wanting to make a move back currently rocking the iPhone 6s+ jailbroken. And everything that I have seen about the iPhone 7 has not impressed me at all and with it looking to NOT have a headphone jack .. thats a no go for me .
Im asking if anyone has a clue if the phone will be rootable in order to be able to remove the bloat and KNOT ( I think that what its called ) security
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It's called KNOX, also you don't need root to remove bloat on android 5+. Some will argue for space purposes but the system parition is just that, chances are if you simply cannot uninstall and you have to disable, then the application resides in the system parition. Deleting app in the system partion creates no more useable user space.
As far as Knox, what makes you want to remove it?
I'm waiting to see before buying
With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....
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With the evolution technology and the reliance on mobile devices, Having KNOX is not as bad as it seems, the piece of mind knowing I have access to defense grade mobile security is great for a business and general security aspect. which goes far past fingerprints and basic passwords. Just my opinion....
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The golden question is, is there a back door to the iron gates of KNOX? On the front end it can be encrypted to the moon and back, but if there is a back door, it's pointless. Also with finger print scanners and the iris scanner. What a convenient way to capture personal data. Let the people do the work for them...brilliant.
I'm curious to hear what Dev's that know the in's and out's of the software have to say about this...The only way we'd be able to know for sure is if it was fully open source to be able to see any hidden doors and where they exist.
Just saying...
Oh and I do hope someone finds an exploit to be able to stably root.
I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality
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I keep coming back to these threads day after day, fingers crossed. I can't stomack paying $900 for a device that I don't have full control over. Might as well by an iPhone with the better OS with the way Samsung is moving.
Just does not make any sense to increase the price for less functionality
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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xposed installer that's one
Kind of crazy to decide to buy or not buy a phone because of an ap that doesn't even come installed on the phone. IN any event, if ROOT is found for the Note 7 - then you can install Xposed)
Chances are very high that the US Varients of the Note 7 are all going to be locked. I will be shocked if TMOBILE does not lock down the Note 7 like they did on the S7 (well if you listen to TMOBILE they say Samsung locked it - not tmobile) whatever, my bet is it is going to be locked.
In any event, the Note 7 is going to be a beast of a phone - just like the S7 Edge -BUT, not much different than the 7 Edge - a little larger - slightly better camera - S Pen of course - but otherwise, not a whole lot different - that is probably the main reason why I am struggling with whether to buy or not - I played with one at Best Buy the other day and I like the feel of Note 7 a lot - the curved screen is slightly different than the S7 Edge - but it still looks amazing - not sure what I am going to do.....we'll see....I love new toys - for that reason alone, I will probably end up getting it - but still havent made a final decision....I will NOT buy a pre-order like I have done with every other phone since the note 2 - I got burned when the S7 Edge turned out to be locked and I am not going to risk that again ...we'll find out soon enough...
Yea it sure is a toss up at this point and Samsung if you are listening, you are not doing yourself a favor for locking boot loaders. You don't have to worry about anything, because you'll still make the sales off of the majority who don't care about unlocked BL's, but one thing that you do have to understated is that although the phone enthusiasts may make up a small percentage, we are the ones who are responsible for making up the foundation of the phone customizing culture. You are on the edge and about to lower yourself into the apple territory. Don't do that.
S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
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S7 and S7 edge both not rootable?
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They are rooted at the moment...
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Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
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xposed installer that's one
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Xposed is hardly a reason to make the low fruit argument of it might as well be an apple if you can't root it. The fact that I can upload whatever files I want, I can OTG connect keyboards, mice, thumbdrives, expandable memory was brought back, replacement launchers, I can install apps outside of the market, disabled built in software, change what app handles your messages.
Inherently there is so much more flexibility in android. You could drop android back two version numbers and functionality still holds its own against iOS today
All that happens before root.
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Would a root for the Note 7 cause the iris / finger scanner & Pay apps to stop working or is that just for samsung pay? I ordered my Note 7 yesterday knowing that I probably won't see root for a while, but I don't know if it's worth it if root breaks some of the other functions. At least for me...
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If its like the Note 5 when it comes to root (if you can) then it will only kill Samsung Pay. Of course there were other devices (S5/6?) that lost finger print scanning because of the root method. We kind of just have to wait and see.
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They are rooted at the moment...
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I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
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So what do you consider "less functionality" just curious ......
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I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR:
Root is a requirement in my eyes.
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I don't see any roms for them on XDA (T-Mob)
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Andrew S.S. said:
I know you weren't talking to me but in my own personal opinion "less functionality" (A.k.a. without root)
means
I cannot control the CPU frequency or GPU, or the governor.
I cannot change the boot animation
I cannot use xposed
I cannot do whatever I want
I cannot tweak what I want for better performance or battery life
I cannot have custom ROMs
I cannot be able to show off my device like "I got root!"
I cannot disable some of the bloat ware that the system does not let me disable by default
I cannot calm my "they are spying on me" by uninstalling sketchy as hell apps or useless that just drain my battery
I cannot not just be bored and test out a **** load of ROMs or Root applications
I cannot have my snapchat mods/hacks
I cannot (Before I actually got YouTube Red) use xposed to make YouTube play in the background
I cannot decompile system applications and re-write some of it or re-theme it and then put it on my phone
I cannot be nerdy and make my my device seem like a samsung s5 or whatever other device I want by changing things such as the model ID and such
I cannot change my IMEI when I don't want to call MetroPCS but I need to test a different SIM card
I cannot have Automatic call recording (Or call recording at all, on stock without root)
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And so much more but then I realized this post is going to get too long and time consuming
TL;DR: I need root! I cannot live without it and unless you taste and eat the delicious glory(root) as much as I do, you wouldn't understand.
Root is a requirement in my eyes.
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Listing all the things you can do with root is great but my gripe is the claim of "It might as well be an iPhone" when you can't root it. Thats a very low energy argument.