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What are the benefits to rooting Tab S2?

ok, i just got a tab s2 from christmas party, and im wondering what are the benefits to rooting the tablet
im all about rooting and all, as my note 5 is rooted running MOAR. And you can check my profile, ive done a good bit of themeing over the past few years.
but as for the Tablet, what good would root serve? should i root or pack it back up and get the gift receipt to exchange it for something else?

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JoeyDuran said:
ok, i just got a tab s2 from christmas party, and im wondering what are the benefits to rooting the tablet
im all about rooting and all, as my note 5 is rooted running MOAR. And you can check my profile, ive done a good bit of themeing over the past few years.
but as for the Tablet, what good would root serve? should i root or pack it back up and get the gift receipt to exchange it for something else?
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Rooting this will give you the option to do anything a rooted device can do.

Root it. Then let me know when theme it so I have a desire to root. Wait, you didn't get the 9.7, did you? ?

Basically this, do you want the keys to your house or do want someone else to have them and let them decide which parts of the house you're allowed to access?

ashyx said:
Basically this, do you want the keys to your house or do want someone else to have them and let them decide which parts of the house you're allowed to access?
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Well, it could be argued that rooting in the hands of inexperienced users is a bit like handing the keys to the house to someone else. Plus there are rooms out there that you don't want people wandering into aimlessly. Think cockpit of a jetliner.
For me the main benefits are AdAway, xPosed, Tasker with secure settings, and ability to delete bloat ware rather than freeze it.

GroovyGeek said:
Well, it could be argued that rooting in the hands of inexperienced users is a bit like handing the keys to the house to someone else. Plus there are rooms out there that you don't want people wandering into aimlessly. Think cockpit of a jetliner.
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That may have some credibility if you gave your keys to someone else, but I neither do that nor give any of my devices to anyone else to play with.
I'm the pilot, so I'm in the cockpit and in charge of the jet.

ashyx said:
That may have some credibility if you gave your keys to someone else, but I neither do that nor give any of my devices to anyone else to play with.
I'm the pilot, so I'm in the cockpit and in charge of the jet.
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For you absolutely, for the typical user it is more like buying the budget fare and then being asked to fly the plane. For someone who needs to be told "what is rooting" or asks what it can do for them I would not be so sure the benefits are clear. This is not intended to put down the OP, we all need to learn and some learn by asking the right questions from more experienced users.

GroovyGeek said:
For you absolutely, for the typical user it is more like buying the budget fare and then being asked to fly the plane. For someone who needs to be told "what is rooting" or asks what it can do for them I would not be so sure the benefits are clear. This is not intended to put down the OP, we all need to learn and some learn by asking the right questions from more experienced users.
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It comes down to this as far as I'm concerned, you can either be the driver or the passenger. [emoji6]

GroovyGeek said:
Well, it could be argued that rooting in the hands of inexperienced users is a bit like handing the keys to the house to someone else. Plus there are rooms out there that you don't want people wandering into aimlessly. Think cockpit of a jetliner.
For me the main benefits are AdAway, xPosed, Tasker with secure settings, and ability to delete bloat ware rather than freeze it.
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This is the most helpful post to answer what the OP was originally asking. After rooting, you can install custom ROMs that could give things like extended battery life or the ability to overclock your processor. It may not need it now, but future applications may refuse to run, or run slowly when installed unless you update your operating system. Samsung will eventually stop providing updates, but often there is support for the device by the XDA community who want to continue to use the tablet long after Samsung "retires" it.
As for right now, I'm leaving my device mostly stock until there becomes a strong reason to root.

Lucas155 said:
As for right now, I'm leaving my device mostly stock until there becomes a strong reason to root.
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That's how I feel too. There's really nothing I need to do now that requires root access.

For me it was worth it just for the Xposed module that allows all apps to be used in multiwindow ?

Ramer said:
Root it. Then let me know when theme it so I have a desire to root. Wait, you didn't get the 9.7, did you? ?
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sorry ramer, just seein this...havent been keeping up with xda lately. and i got the 8.0 one

I want to root my new S2 so badly I can hardly stand it because I have a hard time living without AFWall+, AdAway, and Titanium Backup. However, this is my first Samsung device since the Galaxy S2, which had "Triangle Away". Now I'm worried that the thing will break on me within the warranty period and Samsung will refuse to repair it because of the Knox flag.
I'm more curious what the reliability of these tablets has been before I do anything to mine that precludes me from returning it or getting warranty service.

ashyx said:
It comes down to this as far as I'm concerned, you can either be the driver or the passenger. [emoji6]
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I agree with this. Rooting gives you the option to kill off ads, really backup the device, install software you want (like an adblocker ), not what google/samsung wants you to install (anything but an adblocker).
For me, it started with rooting, as I wanted a real backup. Now I root stock and run titanium backup, adblock, when there is, xposed with minminguard (even better adblocker) and as soon as I get a build working or someone else beats me to it, I install Lineage (previously known as CyanogenMod) to get rid of all bloat and install the apps I want. (yeah, even opengasps gets that treatment, pico only)
My wife was using my CM Moto G 2014 for a while and when she wanted to replace it, she went for one on which Lineage was available... Having to learn a different way of using the phone was the reason to switch to 1 interface for all. (and the restore of her settings with TB was nice as well )
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jshamlet said:
I want to root my new S2 so badly I can hardly stand it because I have a hard time living without AFWall+, AdAway, and Titanium Backup. However, this is my first Samsung device since the Galaxy S2, which had "Triangle Away". Now I'm worried that the thing will break on me within the warranty period and Samsung will refuse to repair it because of the Knox flag.
I'm more curious what the reliability of these tablets has been before I do anything to mine that precludes me from returning it or getting warranty service.
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Mine had a bad charger port, while I was developing CM for it. (T810) Flashed stock, KNOX flag triggered, they checked and repaired. However, I'm in Europe and manufacturers have to prove that messing with software caused the breakage before they can void warranty. (Which they usually don't try, as it's to much a legal hassle)

T_I said:
I agree with this. Rooting gives you the option to kill off ads, really backup the device, install software you want (like an adblocker ), not what google/samsung wants you to install (anything but an adblocker).
For me, it started with rooting, as I wanted a real backup. Now I root stock and run titanium backup, adblock, when there is, xposed with minminguard (even better adblocker) and as soon as I get a build working or someone else beats me to it, I install Lineage (previously known as CyanogenMod) to get rid of all bloat and install the apps I want. (yeah, even opengasps gets that treatment, pico only)
My wife was using my CM Moto G 2014 for a while and when she wanted to replace it, she went for one on which Lineage was available... Having to learn a different way of using the phone was the reason to switch to 1 interface for all. (and the restore of her settings with TB was nice as well )
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Mine had a bad charger port, while I was developing CM for it. (T810) Flashed stock, KNOX flag triggered, they checked and repaired. However, I'm in Europe and manufacturers have to prove that messing with software caused the breakage before they can void warranty. (Which they usually don't try, as it's to much a legal hassle)
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I'm in the US, where we seem to enjoy letting corporations have their way with us. Given the scare I had last night with the battery*, I think I'm going to stay stock until at least a few weeks or months have gone by to avoid infant mortality issues.
*The battery levels dropped significantly faster than I was expecting, and then refused to recharge past 98% until I power cycled the tablet.

Hi, thank you all for the replies here, I would have 3 related questions:
Is there any way to root the SM-T719 without triggering KNOX/installing recovery?
Will root had any bad influence on Miracast or similar screen casting techniques or on audio? (I had a Sony and if the DRM keys where not found the screen cast and some other proprietary enhancements like Bravia didn't function after unlocking the bootloader, don't understand if KNOX is similar).
If so, can this be reversed?
Thanks!

ccris said:
Hi, thank you all for the replies here, I would have 3 related questions:
Is there any way to root the SM-T719 without triggering KNOX/installing recovery?
Will root had any bad influence on Miracast or similar screen casting techniques or on audio? (I had a Sony and if the DRM keys where not found the screen cast and some other proprietary enhancements like Bravia didn't function after unlocking the bootloader, don't understand if KNOX is similar).
If so, can this be reversed?
Thanks!
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Short of an engineering kernel, which hasn't been found to my knowledge, no. Rooting will trip Knox on this device. This is irreversible, so make absolutely sure it won't be an issue before tripping it.
However, the only thing you really lose is Knox related features, such as secure storage (and possibly your warranty depending on location). I've not really found any functionality missing or damaged beyond that. The Tab S2 doesn't support Samsung Pay as it stands, which is the only other thing that typically gets axed with the warranty bit is set.
Unlike Sony, which for some reason thinks their software is so special they need DRM on the device, Samsung only borks things which are legitimately tied to a known secure device, and the list is pretty short on this tablet.

I'm not really sure if it's related but didn't notice this before rooting... When using an app (Tapatalk/Play Store/Opera browser) sometimes there's a glitch, like for 1-2 seconds the display refreshes the content, this might be repeted every 15-30 seconds... anyone else noticed something similar? thanks!

ccris said:
I'm not really sure if it's related but didn't notice this before rooting... When using an app (Tapatalk/Play Store/Opera browser) sometimes there's a glitch, like for 1-2 seconds the display refreshes the content, this might be repeted every 15-30 seconds... anyone else noticed something similar? thanks!
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what are the root apps you are using?
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Note8 Root yes/no

How many user have rooted the new device?
M.

I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?

I rooted my phone. There is no adblocker like AdAway and I enjoy tinkering with it.

_MetalHead_ said:
I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?
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There are many reasons for root. There always will be too.
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Moniclock said:
How many user have rooted the new device?
M.
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Depends, none in the US or with a snapdragon version. Exynos, yes, lots.

Death-Dealer said:
There are many reasons for root. There always will be too.
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I was simply answering the question as it pertains to me.

For me, no reason to root. Only reason I did was for titanium backup but it caused more issues than it was worth. I restore with samsung backup and log back in to everything to start fresh everytime. I found that rooting to restore and start with dirty app data caused unwanted results. There is not 1 thing I need root for now days
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root is MUST, I do not need a phone without it, period !!
Maybe, one day we can get root with AOSP out of the box. ohh, dreams !!
at least for now we have UK version Note 8 N950F that has unlocked bootloader, and works with multiple bands !! unfortunately it's the only version that supports everything, would be nice to have 256gb on board.
microsd cards is really garbage laggy crap, which will die on you anytime.

I had the S8+ and my version didn't have root, so I was forced to live without it.
I'll be getting my hands on the Note 8 in a couple of days, and my plan now is NOT to root it, regardless of whether root is available. The reason is because what I LOSE from root now outweighs what I gain from it.
The main thing that I lose from root? SECURE FOLDER!
This has become really valuable to me. I lost it after rooting the Note 7 so never really got to use it, but after having used it on the S8+, I don't think I'm willing to give it up.
Like others have already pointed out, the benefits of root aren't that important anymore:
- Titanium backup for restoring apps - mostly done by Samsung's restore, and my most important apps to port over with data have their own backup/restore functions anyway (ie. Wechat and Whatsapp)
- Other root apps like Greenify - Samsung already has similar functions built-in
- Backup of entire phone - can live without it
- custom roms - Samsung already has most of the stuff I wanted from custom roms anyway, like showing the battery percentage on notification bar, etc.
- Accessing root directory - oh well, too bad. Won't die without this ability.

Yes, I'm rooted, for AdAway mainly.
As others have said, most thing you needed root for you can do without root now. For me it was Call Recording and changing the DPI, both of which i could do perfectly on my N8 before rooting it.

I have rooted Note 4 but now do not see point why i need to do for note 8
1 Will trigger know and other samsung security services
2 The all point why Samsung not allowing to root is for security reason as it is all point how to secure you data
Just imagine you have rooted - Now phone stolen + it is rooted so you have open doors to you all content emails contacts etc "Im not sure if all right but if you have root you can access anything on the phone maybe im wrong?"
Im not programmer to use full potential of root if you do not know what are you doing -can make phone work slower that faster
all non system programs you can disable in app To remove samsung thing yes maybe will be good thing, but it is samsung phone so I can blame samsung because they put samsung services Just if do not want to use them do not use

_MetalHead_ said:
I haven't rooted a phone in at least a couple years. No need anymore. On the Note 8, practically anything can be disabled, themes don't need root, there are amazing root-free adblockers now, and performance is killer. Why waste time tinkering with the phone when I can be enjoying it instead?
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LOL, you know this is a DEV website right? Where people hang out to root phones, because they want to. Because they enjoy it.

If you don't root then what developer will do Lol !
Anyway, loosing Spay and secure folder is currently challenging, may be some workaround appear later. Also development is at early stage so may you can wait till you find good reason for it. By the way, rooted mine almost in no time after getting it on 21st.

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LOL, you know this is a DEV website right? Where people hang out to root phones, because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
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So THAT'S why it's called "XDA developers"? In my 7 years here you would think I'd have figured that out!
Again. I answered the question as it pertains to me. I've rooted more phones than not, I just don't feel the need anymore.

To root or not.

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Hi. My old phone is rooted, and i have repetitouch on it. It served me well with the macro recordings.
However i am unable to find any macro recording app similar to repetitouch that can run on unrooted phone.
Now on my note 9, i am not sure to root it or not.
Or do you guys have an alternative app similar to repetitouch which i am unable to find?

Dont do it. I did away with rooting since the Note 8 and i am now well satisfied with the Note 9's performance amd the phone as a whole. Try to weigh what advantages rooting will bring you vs not rooting. I no longer believe that is necessary any more. Just my two cents.

I agree. There was a time when I flat out wouldn't use a phone without rooting it first. As phones and firmware have improved over the years I see fewer and fewer reasons to do it.
I know there's probably the odd thing you'll miss but you'd be surprised how quickly you adapt to not having them.
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The thing that will sway me is call recording and the ability to change the ridiculously large nav button height!
If these 2 options were available without root, I would stay stock

i dont really need root
for adblock, use adhell 3
for youtube adblock, install "youtube vanced"

jameslfc5 said:
The thing that will sway me is call recording and the ability to change the ridiculously large nav button height!
If these 2 options were available without root, I would stay stock
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You can record calls without root. I use call recorders from play store. I totally disabled nav bar with Gesture Navigation by xda.
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Dreadsta5889 said:
You can record calls without root. I use call recorders from play store. I totally disabled nav bar with Gesture Navigation by xda.
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Edit: Both are nonroot.

I didn't root my Note 7, S7E, S8+ or Note 8. The main thing I miss rooting for is Titanium backup of apps and their data. It's the app data that one can't get transferred over 100% when switching to a new phone. Plus it is just nice to have an app and it's data backed up for several reasons. There is a non root app/data alternative with Helium, but it doesn't work on all apps.
I would probably still be rooting if Samsung didn't punish us by locking our phones down to 80% charging limit. But that negative is too much for me to take, so no root. These phones work very well now without root, except for app/data backup as I stated.

If it's the snapdragon model then root won't even be available for it.

jameslfc5 said:
The thing that will sway me is call recording and the ability to change the ridiculously large nav button height!
If these 2 options were available without root, I would stay stock
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Boldbeast call recorder works perfect on note 9 without root.

teegunn said:
I would probably still be rooting if Samsung didn't punish us by locking our phones down to 80% charging limit. But that negative is too much for me to take, so no root. These phones work very well now without root, except for app/data backup as I stated.
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What do you mean with 80% charging limit? Never heard of it.

Nick334 said:
What do you mean with 80% charging limit? Never heard of it.
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Google Samfail root 80%

The Exynos is for rooting.
Love TiB, AdAway and others to name a few.
Is it a deal breaker to NOT be able to root? A few years ago it was, today not really.
I just wish that all phones on all platforms had a switch that the user could decide whether or not they wanted to unlock the bootloader and do what they wanted and accept the risks involved.

I'm using Acr call recorder and it doesn't require root.
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I have acr pro. It works great and don't need root. I do need to root since I need titanium to restore my data from swype (themes and backup words) which they stopped development so cannot retrieve backup data, theme or words without it. Also, you have lmt if you want to add quick launch app and add the menu button which is gone for android. As well as many other apps like titanium, viper 4 android, screen timeout, adblock plus, no ads YouTube, ...
Downside, it can break screen mirroring, samsung pay...
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This is ridiculous I won't be able to root my note 9 if I knew it before I would buy exynos version from abroad. I can't live without ad away, unlimited hotspot, and all modifications. First modification I thought it will be sound level as it so quite compere to s9+

No problem buddy, happy to help.
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What do you mean with 80% charging limit? Never heard of it.
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Pretty sure Samsung locks in your charging limit to 80% on all their newer Snapdragon phones. They've been doing this for a while. If it has changed to our benefit (no 80% charging limit), then I would seriously reconsider rooting.

I don't use that app so I don't know of any alternatives, but if there are none then my advice is simply to go ahead and root (so long as you can live without the things you lose with root). Do a cost/benefit and see if it's worth it to you, unless someone suggests an alternative app that wouldn't require root of course.
Oh and if people are going off topic then just politely bring us back please...no need to throw a fit (see rule 2). It's a community, not customer service.

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This is ridiculous I won't be able to root my note 9 if I knew it before I would buy exynos version from abroad. I can't live without ad away, unlimited hotspot, and all modifications. First modification I thought it will be sound level as it so quite compere to s9+
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Unlimited hotspot?

Root is mandatory for me, is it for you?

I won't buy without root. Skipped the note 9, let's hope the v40 has a nice root.

wing_addict_usa said:
I won't buy without root. Skipped the note 9, let's hope the v40 has a nice root.
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ALL the LG V30/V30+/V30S on the planet can be rooted. You might need to stick with that for now.
ROOT FOR T-MOBILE H932 V30/V30+
ROOT FOR ALL OTHER V30/V30+/V30S

Yup, I'm on the same boat.

Me too.

I have the S8+ TMO. And when the v40 thinq comes out I plan to go back to LG. It's no fun without root. I miss A.R.I.S.E., being able to debloat my rom, trying out kernels, and changing my fonts to abeatbykai. Sigh.....I miss those days!

If we get Root for the LG V40 ThinQ then do you think there would be good developer support?
As an alternative, Im looking at the Pixel 3 XL, but would prefer to have the 3.5mm jack and sd card support.

For me is highly recommended. With LG and the implementation of the quad dacs I think having root may help with triggering high impedance mode. I'd still be using my V30 today if I would have bought an unlocked version off the bat instead of TMO. This was back in the day when root wasn't available for the TMO but the unlocked version had it in like a week or so. I'm dumping my Pixel 2 XL which has root for the unlocked version of the LG V40.
On a side note the guys at my local TMO allowed me to play with their demo of the V40! Loved it! The screen was awesome, like it's just all screen no bezels. not sure about the headphone jack being on the bottom this time around but we'll see how it goes. Holding it got me super excited about the phone.

rooting is a waste of time so no.

I don't care about root anymore. This isn't an LG G2X that needs root. Phones have come a long way

If this phone gets to be as easily unlockable as a Nexus/Pixel, I'd be willing to consider getting it to replace my 6P.

No root = no development = no custom ROM
Look at the most recent models sections. There's no more development section.
No root = you won't be able to remove pre installed spyware
Is it bad enough?!

mingkee said:
No root = no development = no custom ROM
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So, what?
Exactly what for do you need custom ROM in nowadays?
It was a toy like 3-5 years ago but now with Google Pay and 6Gb RAM in phones custom ROMs are legacy and unneeded thing. Forgot the proper word
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No root = you won't be able to remove pre installed spyware
Is it bad enough?!
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Yes, you can remove. Most spyware can be disabled straightly from the settings/apps info menu. Those that can't from menu, can be uninstalled by adb from PC or with means of LG Package Disabler. So, no hassle

These days I even use the LG launcher(after enabling the app drawer)
Functionally I don't see a benefit to rooting anymore ?*

wing_addict_usa said:
I won't buy without root. Skipped the note 9, let's hope the v40 has a nice root.
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ALL the LG V30/V30+/V30S on the planet can be rooted. You might need to stick with that for now.
ROOT FOR T-MOBILE H932 V30/V30+
ROOT FOR ALL OTHER V30/V30+/V30S
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Jericksen92 said:
Functionally I don't see a benefit to rooting anymore.
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First, there is functionality to rooting even just on stock firmware. On the V30/V30+/V30S you can enable High Impedance Mode (HIM) on the Quad DAC without LG''s "permission" (which needs 50 ohms or higher headsets). You can also enable "dual speaker" mode. (The mods on that thread is more advanced than the original HIM mod, same developer.) There's plenty of other root-required mods that add functionality, like silent camera files. I'm just comparing the V30 to the V40, because it's the direct successor from a year ago and we DO have root on all V30 variants.
For root in general, I've long used a time sync app and scheduled Auto Reboot (so my phone starts "fresh" every day). Whether you want those things is your decision. But it's YOUR phone, so you can do what you want.
Which leads me to my most important point. OWNERSHIP. With root, it's YOUR phone, not the carrier, not the OEM. It's just like being administrator of your computer at home. Any computer I buy, I will have "admin" privileges. Smartphones are simply handheld computers. A couple of years ago, Samsung pushed an update to purposefully BRICK perfectly good phones. Not all Galaxy Note 7 phones had bad batteries, only some. People paid SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS for those top tier spec phones -- and even though most were working just fine Samsung BRICKED those phones to force people to change to a different phone. People thought they had BOUGHT those Note 7 phones, but this proved Samsung still OWNED all those Galaxy Note 7 phones. The only Galaxy Note 7 ph9ones that were NOT bricked by Sasmung were those which were rooted. Those people who were rooted really owned their phones, not Samsung.
Until your phone is rooted, you do not own it. You are merely "renting"/leasing it from the real owner -- the carrier/OEM.

Billy Madison said:
So, what?
Exactly what for do you need custom ROM in nowadays?
It was a toy like 3-5 years ago but now with Google Pay and 6Gb RAM in phones custom ROMs are legacy and unneeded thing. Forgot the proper word
Yes, you can remove. Most spyware can be disabled straightly from the settings/apps info menu. Those that can't from menu, can be uninstalled by adb from PC or with means of LG Package Disabler. So, no hassle
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You should use iPhone then

Jericksen92 said:
These days I even use the LG launcher(after enabling the app drawer)
Functionally I don't see a benefit to rooting anymore ?*
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This.
And, frankly, I even see no use in app drawer. See, app drawer is a crippled thing from days of 512Mb phones. In those days launcher would need too much RAM to draw all the icons so they were hidden to conserve memory and free it for user's apps.
Now when I have 6Gb I see no use in drawer, I sort icons to folder to my content and can't be happier
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scheduled Auto Reboot
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But in Oreo it's a thing in stock ROM. No need to root to reboot on schedule
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A couple of years ago, Samsung pushed an update to purposefully BRICK perfectly good phones Not all Galaxy Note 7 phones had bad batteries, only some. People paid SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS for those top tier spec phones -- and even though most were working just fine Samsung BRICKED those phones to force people to change to a different phone.
The only Galaxy Note 7 ph9ones that were NOT bricked by Sasmung were those which were rooted
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You make miistake, you may check " Do not automatically update" and stop phone from being updated w/o having root
And you're not owning your phone until you delete all Google's crap up to google play services and play services framework. Even if you have root but have google on phone it's Google who owns it not you. That was proven dozens times

Billy Madison said:
But in Oreo it's a thing in stock ROM. No need to root to reboot on schedule
You make miistake, you may check " Do not automatically update" and stop phone from being updated w/o having r
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Wrong in so many ways

Billy Madison said:
And, frankly, I even see no use in app drawer.
See, app drawer is a crippled thing from days of 512Mb phones. In those days launcher would need too much RAM to draw all the icons so they were hidden to conserve memory and free it for user's apps.
Now when I have 6Gb I see no use in drawer, I sort icons to folder to my content and can't be happier
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No, you're not correct about that. The reason I and others use app drawer has nothing to do with amount of RAM. I have 200-300 apps and I prefer to hide most of them in an app drawer. I don't want them cluttering up my desktop screens. Yes, I have a couple of folders on my desktop, but for the most part I have my most used app clustered in categories on separate pages. For apps I use occasionally, those stay in the app drawer. Like a closet.
Same concept with Programs folder and desktop shortcuts on Windows and even the QuickLaunch bar (which I still use, even on Windows 10). Programs folder (app drawer) is for ALL installed programs (apps), desktop shortcuts/QuickLaunch/Pinned to Start menu are for frequently used programs (or apps with Android).
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For root in general, I've long used a time sync app and scheduled Auto Reboot (so my phone starts "fresh" every day). Whether you want those things is your decision. But it's YOUR phone, so you can do what you want.
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But in Oreo it's a thing in stock ROM. No need to root to reboot on schedule
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I seriously have no idea what you are saying in this statement. There's no scheduled reboot in stock Oreo, that I have seen.
But I have one anyway -- on all my Androids for quite some time, because I OWN my devices.
I also have a script to reboot my Windows PC every night. Same concept.
EDIT: Apparently on some phones you can schedule a reboot ONCE A WEEK. And you can't really control the time to the minute. It's "within one hour of the time you set"?
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GalaxyNote...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
And some carriers remove that feature. I don't see it on my phone and my ROOTED app is much better.
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Which leads me to my most important point. OWNERSHIP. With root, it's YOUR phone, not the carrier, not the OEM. It's just like being administrator of your computer at home. Any computer I buy, I will have "admin" privileges. Smartphones are simply handheld computers. A couple of years ago, Samsung pushed an update to purposefully BRICK perfectly good phones. Not all Galaxy Note 7 phones had bad batteries, only some. People paid SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS for those top tier spec phones -- and even though most were working just fine Samsung BRICKED those phones to force people to change to a different phone. People thought they had BOUGHT those Note 7 phones, but this proved Samsung still OWNED all those Galaxy Note 7 phones. The only Galaxy Note 7 ph9ones that were NOT bricked by Sasmung were those which were rooted. Those people who were rooted really owned their phones, not Samsung.
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You make miistake, you may check " Do not automatically update" and stop phone from being updated w/o having root
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You know better -- or should -- so not sure why you even said this. OEM/carrier can push updates no matter what you choose -- unless you own your phone with root:
https://thenextweb.com/mobile/2017/03/24/samsung-galaxy-note-7-disable-charging/
Samsung will remotely kill all unreturned Galaxy Note 7 units
The electronics giant announced it will begin remotely phasing out the last remaining units of its handset by forcing software updates that will prevent still unreturned Note 7 devices from charging, according to The Korea Herald.
Rumors that Samsung might force software updates to remotely brick unreturned Galaxy Note 7 units first began circulating last September, but were ultimately confirmed three months later in December.
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Samsung pushed those updates no matter what settings were chosen. Also, I've seen over and over people who got updated with OTHER phones,no matter what settings they chose. It's happened too frequently to be accidents. Carriers/OEMs own those phones, not you. If they decide to force an update, they'll force an update... whether you want it or not.
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Rooting is a philosophy of ownership, just like being admin of your PC. With root you can decide what happens and when, what is installed or not, how things are.
It's not about how stock is so "improved" you don't need to root. If you are saying that, then you are not even in the same discussion as me.
Sure, one day the the phones may be so locked down you can't root them, but that's NOT something you should accept willingly.
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Until your phone is rooted, you do not own it. You are merely "renting"/leasing it from the real owner -- the carrier/OEM.
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ChazzMatt said:
No, you're not correct about that. The reason I and others use app drawer has nothing to do with amount of RAM. I have 200-300 apps and I prefer to hide most of them in an app drawer. I don't want them cluttering up my desktop screens.
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Apps, that I don't need, stay in my 7th, 8th, 9th etc screens. It's the same as if I had them in drawer.
What I said is the CONCEPT of drawer was designed in the days when phones had scarse RAM and drawer was invented to comsume memory when using launcher. I didn't say that you must not use drawer, you may do what you see fit. It's just that I don't need drawer no more and em not using it
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I seriously have no idea what you are saying in this statement. There's no scheduled reboot in stock Oreo, that I have seen.
EDIT: Apparently on some phones you can schedule a reboot ONCE A WEEK. And you can't really control the time to the minute. It's "within one hour of the time you set"?
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Yes, LG G7 and probabaly V30 has such ability. I thought it could reboot once a day but my mistake, only once a week. Anyway I don't see need in such feature, I may reboot phone mystelf when I think most proper time. Maybe before I'm gonna put it on charge.
Ahyway I see no need for scripted reboots neither in Android nor in Windows

mingkee said:
You should use iPhone then
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I can play with my phone, I can surf, I can listen MQA music, I can shoot HDR10 video. There's nothing that I can't which I could do if I'll root phone or install custom ROM on it
That's what I'm trying to say. Back in the 2011 day when you fought for 6500 in Antutu and custom kernel could gain you 6800 you couldn't be happier. But noadays it's vain

Root or Not Root that's the question

Hi together,
I am wondering which benefits I can expect from rooting my device.
One thing that comes to my mind is having an option to use face unlock for older unlock APIs.
What do you guys think?

Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.

jljtgr said:
Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.

SeppGoPro said:
To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
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I hear you. Rooting used to be fun and easy but it's more work than I want to deal with at this point.
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using XDA Labs

It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....

jljtgr said:
It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
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It takes more time, which you actively have to spend. It's not like ow there is an update. Ok install done.
You have to go through all steps. You have to e.g. change settings in build.prop again. Flash kernel or what ever.
One example with rooted and problems with apps I'm always unsure if it's due to root or due to the rom. Stuff like this.

I don't have to do either of those things. My build.prop changes are systemlessly handled by a Magisk module that just works as soon as I'm rooted again. YMMV.
I've spent more time writing in this thread than my monthly process takes. If you don't have that time, then fine. You've answered your own question?

I've rooted all my devices except the pixel ones. There's absolutely no need for me to root a pixel device, everything is working as I want out of the box. That's one reason that development for the pixel 4/xl is nearly non existent.

ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!

dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Yes this would be the only reason for me.

first reason finger face
second reason motion sense..
now on android beta 2.5 not rooted

Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way

fuarkgl3 said:
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
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Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do

dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Pull it down for half a sec.

Mackay53 said:
Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
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Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply

fuarkgl3 said:
Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
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Because many people like what Android has to offer over iOS, simple. Rooting isn't as useful as what it used to be

Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...

xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.

xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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Google pay works right now for me and I'm rooted running 11 beta 2.5.

fr0st420 said:
From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
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I want to root so I can run ProtonVPN (or any VPN really) alongside Adguard. You can't run them side x side without root....
Admittedly a little sick of the whole big brother thing, so wouldn't mind obscuring my traffic a bit.