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The way overclocking my original Touch helped with the lags due to the TouchFlo cube got me thinking: is it possible to overclock the Diamond beyond 528MHz? I heard before that Qualcomm processors were un-overclockable? Is this still valid? If not, how can I overclock my Diamond and what are the risks?
Blimey, how much hotter do we want the Diamond to get!
Methinks the battery isn't really up to it either...
It is hot but we need to acknowledge that it does lag sometimes.
A better battery is coming out in the near future (1350mAh) so I'm guessing we should consider overclocking.
I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
Count me in on anything that has the word:
Overclocking Like my insanely smoothly running Overclocked Vista Ultimate Machine!
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I think the Processor is plenty fast enough . Its the operating system and a plugin that is causing the lag .
If you run the device without the 3d pluggin its very quick. Its just that the operating system is enhanced to the hardware but the pluggin is not as intergrated so will never run as fast
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I understand that if WM 6.1 runs smoothly on a 201MHz TI-OMAP processor, it will fly on a 528MHz processor. The point is to get TouchFlo3D to integrate that greatly with the remainder of the OS since it is the most appealing feature of the device. I think that upping the processor to say 650MHz would largely facilitate this.
no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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I'm waiting for this option as well
is it ppossible to oc the touch diamond? and what program do i need?
i would really like to oc it!!
Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
Am I correct in thinking that there are other devices with the same processor running at 400mhz, if so the speed must be scalable? I agree that the diamond is quick already but if the speed was scalable like battery status with the TI omap I had in my old Artemis, then the battery should last longer since usually it would be running underclocked.
i will buy external bat. is there any program for oc touch diamond
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no no no boys I think that more usefull will be underclock processor for better battery life when you didnt need so much performance...automated state will be the BEST!!! so try to think in this direction...
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Valid point. I guess the software that will overclock the Diamond will also allow underclocking so the goal is the same.
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Bunch of fools :/ Overclocking a phone that already has overheating issues AND battery life issues.
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An extended battery is on the way and I haven't encountered any overheating issues yet. You better check your facts before calling everyone fools.
Apparently there isn't any such software available given that nobody has made suggestions concerning the availabilty of such software yet.
http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
so no software for now?
do you think it will be avilable one day?
I hope so but I think the problem is that most Qualcomm processors have fast enough clocks so the incentive for developers to look into the problem isn't that great.
Actually, how much resources are required to develop such an application? We could start raising funds to that end.
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http://www.batteryupgrade.se/produc...9&PHP5SESSID=fe2844f3866fcfcdecb1881ab80afa2d
1800 mAh battery
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Yeah. I know about this one but I also heard that GPS doesn't work well when it's on.
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are you joking I bought Diamond because of dims and weight...If I ll want thick basta*d I ll buy HTC touch Pro muhehe or better stay with my Kaiser
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I could have sworn that the processor in the diamond is UNDERCLOCKED as standard, and does not even run at 528Mhz..
If true, probably a decision to conserve battery since 900mAH is bugger all.
Also, again if this is true, you could probably assume it could at least be clocked to 528Mhz which would speed it up, at least make a difference from what were all used to.
Even with TouchFLO3D disabled, I find the Diamond to be not as responsive as other (much older) WinMo devices, this just does not seem to make any sense. An underclocked CPU would explain a lot of things, IMO.
The question is, how can we find out the truth?
with some software like cpu-z for pc.
are there programs for oc other htc products?
A few weeks ago when I still had my HTC Hero it was overclocked to 672Mhz (standard = 528Mhz). It gave me a little boost in performance on Froyo, also the batterylife wasn't decreased too much.
But with our N1 running on 1Ghz, will it give much difference when clocked to 1113/1152Mhz? And what about batterylife?
If SetCPU is used what are your settings then? Mine is currently running on stock speed, no SetCPU.
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A few weeks ago when I still had my HTC Hero it was overclocked to 672Mhz (standard = 528Mhz). It gave me a little boost in performance on Froyo, also the batterylife wasn't decreased too much.
But with our N1 running on 1Ghz, will it give much difference when clocked to 1113/1152Mhz? And what about batterylife?
If SetCPU is used what are your settings then? Mine is currently running on stock speed, no SetCPU.
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I have my nexus one rooted and flashed to MIUI Rom and clock @ 690mhz I get way better battery power. Before I would only get 6hr to 8hr if lucky now I get from 9hr to 13hr depending how much I use it.
set to 1.13 ghz
then screen off to minimum 245mhz
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I have my nexus one rooted and flashed to MIUI Rom and clock @ 690mhz I get way better battery power. Before I would only get 6hr to 8hr if lucky now I get from 9hr to 13hr depending how much I use it.
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So you underclocked it, what about the speed? It's not to laggy?
Nexus one can run reasonably smooth @ 600mhz and above. It might not open applications as fast as it will be @ 1GHz though.
i think 1Ghz is enough for n1
why do u want an overclock?
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i think 1Ghz is enough for n1
why do u want an overclock?
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I didn't said I want an overclock. It's allready very fast on 1Ghz (compared to my old Hero ), just wanted to know your thoughts about overclocking the N1.
im overclocked at 1152 mhz and profiles set for 245 max with screen off. Overclocking is nice because i like the snappiness but most people cant tell the difference between 998 mhz and 1152. its not needed to overclock but i think profiles help alot. just my two cents
Ok thx, I will try 1150Mhz and see (if it's stable and) what batterylife does. I'm also going to try underclocking.
I have my N1 only for a couple of weeks now and I must say, this phone is awesome. It's VERY fast compared to my old Hero. I remember when I was installing apps on my Hero it became very slow and couldn't do anything untill installing was finished. With the N1 you still can do things while installing apps without lag. The responsiveness and smoothness is also a lot faster. I loved my Hero Because it never let me down, ok it was all a bit slower, but it was getting there. Now with the release of Gingerbread (custom ROM) it became to slow for me and that's why I sold my Hero and bought the N1. It was very difficult to find one, because of the EOL (end of life). But eventually I found one and i'm very happy with it. The N1 is allready more 1 year old, but it still competes with the best phones out there.
I generally run overclocked at 1075MHz, which gives a good balance between battery power usage and processor power. My understanding is that a different voltage scaling method is generally used above 1075MHz, so power consumption will increase above that point.
Didn't knew the voltage would increase above 1075Mhz, will keep that in mind
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Didn't knew the voltage would increase above 1075Mhz, will keep that in mind
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This is, of course, dependent upon how the kernel is constructed, but this is what I have generally found to be true.
Give us some feedback
I overclocked it too 1075Mhz when screen is on (screen off 245Mhz). Will give my thoughts in a day or 2.
Just report that my battery drain is almost the same as on stock settings. I think it drains a tiny bit faster on 1075Mhz, but nothing major. On the other hand, I don't feel it's faster on 1075Mhz then on stock speed. Only benchmarks give me performance increase.
I'm now on CM6.1.1 with stock kernel (cyanogen), I tried other kernels like Wilmonks kernel,.. Although it was more responsive, battery was going down even faster. I get best battery results with stock kernel.
Hard to choose
more speed = more battery drain
less speed = longer battery
I think I stay with the last option (less speed = longer battery), because Wildmonks kernel doesn't give me enough performance increase over the stock kernel on stock speed.
I have mine at 998mhz, but overclocked 1152 while plugged into power.
Either way, its so easy to play with the clock settings, i'd just have a play with a bunch of different settings if i were you.
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I have mine at 998mhz, but overclocked 1152 while plugged into power.
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I'd love a how-to fire that..
mind sharing the app?
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wanted to know your thoughts about overclocking the N1.
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well my thoughts: underclock!
so you can watch movies on it all night!
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I'd love a how-to fire that..
mind sharing the app?
Sent from my Nexus One
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You can use SetCPU to create profiles based on different circumstances.
Me, I have mine clocked to a max of 1075 and min of 245 with the screen on, 576 max / 128 min screen off, 998/128 charging (to reduce heat - overclocking while power is applied can make it silly hot), and a failsafe to clock down to 576/128 if the temperature gets over 50*C.
Fabulous app.
Correct me if I am wrong. When you use setcpu to "ondemand", the CPU speed can ramp up to max whenever necessary, otherwise the speed will tune down to min especially in standby mode. In that way, you can enjoy the advantages of overclocking and underclocking the CPU speed i.e. increasing performance when needed and saving power when not in use, right? When I loaded Rod's MIUI and Wildmonk's kernel, I can underclock down to 128Mhz and overclock up to 1.152Ghz. At the end of the day, I still have over 60% of power left after not so heavily use (some web browsing, checking email and listen some music). Overall, setcpu is a great app for me.
So i have been able to clock my captivate to a stable 1300 using suckerpunch #57. I'm wondering though how often do you think are phones actually use this frequency? i know when i'm running a psx emulator im sure that it probably has the cpu maxed out, which runs tekken 3 beautifully now at no lower then 48 fps, but i hope on not much else (would be nice to find an app that would put the cpu used clock speed on taskbar). Only reason i wonder is because of course phones don't have cooling systems like computers so i worry about cpu life.
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So i have been able to clock my captivate to a stable 1300 using suckerpunch #57. I'm wondering though how often do you think are phones actually use this frequency? i know when i'm running a psx emulator im sure that it probably has the cpu maxed out, which runs tekken 3 beautifully now at no lower then 48 fps, but i hope on not much else (would be nice to find an app that would put the cpu used clock speed on taskbar). Only reason i wonder is because of course phones don't have cooling systems like computers so i worry about cpu life.
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i have never seen the cpu get hot in my phone. it gets unstable before any heat is detected, but my phone is not very overclockable, i can get 1.3 with much care to the uv settings. i wouldnt worry about heat until the 1.4 mark, even then you are probably fine. the newer qualcom chips have been set to run at 1.9ghz and dont burn up they are on the same size architecture as ours. these arm chips run at such low voltages that heat is not really a big problem. i dont think anyone on the board has killed a hummingbird from overclocking it.
I think your speaking pre-emptively about not burning up.
Just because the chip doesn't instantly melt doesn't mean your not risking electro migration.
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So i have been able to clock my captivate to a stable 1300 using suckerpunch #57. I'm wondering though how often do you think are phones actually use this frequency? i know when i'm running a psx emulator im sure that it probably has the cpu maxed out, which runs tekken 3 beautifully now at no lower then 48 fps, but i hope on not much else (would be nice to find an app that would put the cpu used clock speed on taskbar). Only reason i wonder is because of course phones don't have cooling systems like computers so i worry about cpu life.
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this chip has a built in fail safe and can run as long as it can handle it automatically freezes or reboot your phone above its capable limit. If you want real time monitoring of your cpu clock speed/usage, ram usage and battery temp download Temp+CPU V2 widget from the market pretty good app. enjoy
Hi folks,
I was just wondering, what are everyone's speeds? I shall start first I have attached a screenshot of my voltages, speeds, and governor.
WARNING : I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE YOUR NOOK MIGHT INCUR AS A RESULT OF TRYING ANY OF OVERCLOCK CONFIGURATIONS MENTIONED HERE.
Quick note - i would strongly suggest backing your CPU down to a max of 1200Mhz. For some reason, any speed above that will tank your GPU performance (by as much as half); the additional 100Mhz CPU loss isn't really felt (especially with the GPU gains).
Divine_Madcat said:
Quick note - i would strongly suggest backing your CPU down to a max of 1200Mhz. For some reason, any speed above that will tank your GPU performance (by as much as half); the additional 100Mhz CPU loss isn't really felt (especially with the GPU gains).
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Is there anyway to confirm this? How can I measure GPU performance?
I set mine at 1200MHz and didn't bother playing with cpu voltage.
PoisonWolf said:
Is there anyway to confirm this? How can I measure GPU performance?
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It has been well confirmed in severl threads (Cm7 dev and general), but you can easily test yourself with nenamark 1. Set your clocks to 1200, and run the bench; then set your clocks to 1300, run again (and watch your framerate plummet).
Divine_Madcat said:
It has been well confirmed in severl threads (Cm7 dev and general), but you can easily test yourself with nenamark 1. Set your clocks to 1200, and run the bench; then set your clocks to 1300, run again (and watch your framerate plummet).
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I tried your little scenario of dropping down to 1125mhz and running nenamark. I was 14.8 running 1125mhz and at 15.6 at 1300mhz. I am running chainfire plug ins.
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And what do those numbers mean?
14.8 is better or worse compared to 15.6?
Hindle1225 said:
I tried your little scenario of dropping down to 1125mhz and running nenamark. I was 14.8 running 1125mhz and at 15.6 at 1300mhz. I am running chainfire plug ins.
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Odd.. i can get 21 Fps at @1200.. i would have expected the 1125 to be around the same; though the 1300 sounds right on.
I got 16.3 fps using my current setup. Lawl. What part of android uses 3d acceleration anyway?
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I got 16.3 fps using my current setup. Lawl. What part of android uses 3d acceleration anyway?
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UH.. android, not alot, but pretty much any game (or even some web browsers like Opera). Its easy to "lawl", but it actually DOES matter...
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UH.. android, not alot, but pretty much any game (or even some web browsers like Opera). Its easy to "lawl", but it actually DOES matter...
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Good point however I don't play any games that uses 3d. I don't really play any games. Just browsing with dolphin and lots of email.
I will take it down per notch as per your suggestion once I update to a newer version though.
Also, some of the framerate difference may come from you running the 32bit framebuffer kernel, instead of the faster 16bit (but if you don't game alot, you may not really need it anyway).
Scratch that. I just tested it. I got 22.9fps. Lawl. I am now tweaking it again. What are your voltages?
Thanks for the suggestion again. 1200 MHz Max for me.
P.s. how do I check which framerate buffer am I running?
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Good point however I don't play any games that uses 3d. I don't really play any games. Just browsing with dolphin and lots of email.
I will take it down per notch as per your suggestion once I update to a newer version though.
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If u don't play any games, then why to bother for the 3D loss of 1300mhz?
I would prefer to use the extra speed.
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If u don't play any games, then why to bother for the 3D loss of 1300mhz?
I would prefer to use the extra speed.
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Frankly, i am under the personal impression that overall the system is more responsive at 1200, and that is not just the GPU. Something about that speed is the sweet spot.
And really.. only rarely will a system that does web pages and email hit max speed anyway... why not opt for a better all around performance, rather than an immeasurable CPU gain?
I know this could be kind of off topic, but what battery temperatures do you guys get when overclocking? because the other day mine was at 36 Celsius overclocked at 1200, Does anyone knows of a safe temperature range?
Mine hovers around 34 to 36. My hd2 goes up to 43 and that is fine too. Honestly, I would think that as long as it is under 40 you should not worth.
I use 300 min and 1200 max and have the governor set to on demand. No issues with this setting.
300 - .8125
600 - 1.0
800 - 1.1875
1100 - 1.25
1200 - 1.2875
Haven't used it much recently, but about 5% drain for 24 hours in sleep. I need to put it through some heavy use to see how bad I can kill the battery.
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1200 - .8125
1100 - 1.0
800 - 1.1875
600 - 1.25
300 - 1.2875
Haven't used it much recently, but about 5% drain for 24 hours in sleep. I need to put it through some heavy use to see how bad I can kill the battery.
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You probably got the voltages reversed. Not possible to run 300 mhz on 1.2875. Lawl.
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I use 300 min and 1200 max and have the governor set to on demand. No issues with this setting.
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This was my initial setting as well (with the exception of running the max at 1300mhz). However, I realized that it wasn't the max speed that was the issue, I found out that increasing the lower-steppings was key in increasing the overall fluidity of the device as the interactive governor ramped through the steppings.
I've undervolted my device and right now I have
100mhz - 825 mah
200mhz - 825 mah
500mhz - 800 mah
for some reason the 500mhz setting is stable and if I undervolt 100mhz/200mhz even more, I crash.
If I set my minimum processor power to 500mhz would I consume less batter than if I were to use 100mhz/200mhz?
Your phone spends most of its time in the lowest and highest cpu frequencies and just a small amount of time at the intermediate levels. Your undervolt for 500mhz probably isn't stable but it doesn't crash because it's only at that frequency for a very short amount of time. If you set the minimum to 500mhz at that voltage it will probably start playing up.
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graph of my cpu levels
Abit offtopic but what the hell!
I was wondering if there's any risks involved with undervolting?
I don't meen the crashes and freeze ups, but rather more like if there's any risk
to really damage your phone from it?
I have and still do alot of OC in the computer world, and do know what overvolting can do. But i'm still curious about what uv can do to your system.
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Your phone spends most of its time in the lowest and highest cpu frequencies and just a small amount of time at the intermediate levels. Your undervolt for 500mhz probably isn't stable but it doesn't crash because it's only at that frequency for a very short amount of time. If you set the minimum to 500mhz at that voltage it will probably start playing up.
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It's been my minimum even before posting this thread. I just started to wonder.
I've been on it for 10 hours now. I have 45% battery life left. Probably due to my 1700mhz being @ 1350mah right now.
I can assure you, it's VERY stable. It's so SMOOTH. Smoother than just having rocketrom and all that stuff. NO LAGS, NO SHUTDOWNS. ALL STABLE.
I can see better battery life, and CPU Spy says it used up 47% 1700mhz and 40% 500mhz. I think it's giving me better battery life.
It's evenly splitted up probably because I was using lulzactive governor.
but then again I didn't log my previous battery life without undervolting.
Some more insight would be nice.
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Abit offtopic but what the hell!
I was wondering if there's any risks involved with undervolting?
I don't meen the crashes and freeze ups, but rather more like if there's any risk
to really damage your phone from it?
I have and still do alot of OC in the computer world, and do know what overvolting can do. But i'm still curious about what uv can do to your system.
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There are alot of risks. Minor chance that you will cause hardware damage to your phone but I'm saying VERY minor. Just don't be stupid with voltages, like just suddenly overdropping the voltages. Your processor might die.
It's scary as hell, it crashes alot while testing and all that ****.
Feels good when you get it stable though.
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Very slight chance to damage your hardware; only if you're very daring.
It should increase your battery life by atleast 20% if you reach the peak of your processors limit.
Bump, are there no other insights on this? Am I like, the only one who undervolted his/her note?
help
clairenix said:
Bump, are there no other insights on this? Am I like, the only one who undervolted his/her note?
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I want to run 1700mhz as permanent and also wanted to undervolt but i wasnt sure how much by and what the risks are. Reason being is my phone gets hot with heavy usage running at 1400mhz so didnt want to go to 1700. I'll watch this thread with interest
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I want to run 1700mhz as permanent and also wanted to undervolt but i wasnt sure how much by and what the risks are. Reason being is my phone gets hot with heavy usage running at 1400mhz so didnt want to go to 1700. I'll watch this thread with interest
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I'm running 500-1700mhz.
Indeed it does get hot at 1700mhz, when I'm playing games but I've only at most played for 4 hours straight.
For what reason would you want to run 1700mhz-1700mhz?
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I'm running 500-1700mhz.
Indeed it does get hot at 1700mhz, when I'm playing games but I've only at most played for 4 hours straight.
For what reason would you want to run 1700mhz-1700mhz?
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No sorry i meant running it at 1700 max, leaving it stock for the min. I just wanted to know how much i can safely undervolt 1700 by.
I actually have a question. I undervolted my note with SetCPU and I read that Tegrak Overclock Ultimate should be used as well together with SetCPU.
What does Tegrak Overclock do? GPU settings?
Would like to learn that part if anyone has any info.
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No sorry i meant running it at 1700 max, leaving it stock for the min. I just wanted to know how much i can safely undervolt 1700 by.
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I undervolted mine by about 100mah. I think I can tone it down by about 25mah more but I'm having a hard time getting it to stabilize.
1350 for my device is completely safe though.
Though, all processors are different. Yours could be better than mine and can withstand more UV-ing.
Goodluck!
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I actually have a question. I undervolted my note with SetCPU and I read that Tegrak Overclock Ultimate should be used as well together with SetCPU.
What does Tegrak Overclock do? GPU settings?
Would like to learn that part if anyone has any info.
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It's basically the same with SetCPU aside from its voltages.
I do not know if it should be used with SetCPU with the note because from what I've researched. It's only a common practice with SGSII.
Tried setting 100 and 200 mhz to 825. Crashed my phone twice in one day using it, gonna revert back to 875
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I undervolted mine by about 100mah. I think I can tone it down by about 25mah more but I'm having a hard time getting it to stabilize.
1350 for my device is completely safe though.
Though, all processors are different. Yours could be better than mine and can withstand more UV-ing.
Goodluck!
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Many thanks!
I will just experiment then, i didnt want to do that and then cause hw damage. I'll let you know how my processor gets on