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controlling HDMI

As stated in the (www .blogtalkradio .com/motodev) Q&A session yesterday with Motorola about the Droid X, in answer to the question asked at the 29:00 mark,
"The only time that we are enabling the HDMI driver on the device is when you are in the gallery mode. [...] The HDMI driver is not active any time outside the gallery," where the "gallery mode" is their included photo/video viewer.
I'm wondering how true that is...
(www .pcmag .com/article2/0,2817,2365630,00.asp ) PCMag's review stated that the youtube player and blockbuster player were not able to use the hdmi out at all.
As seen in (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=703111 ) this thread the evo 4g, which also has hdmi out, is capable of allowing any app that uses VideoView to utilize that output, but that's supported by the phone maker.
Will that usability be true on the droid x?
Could we figure out a way to bypass any limitations Motorola includes, and maybe even send (an upscaled version of) the main screen through the hdmi (not just video but anything we could put on the phone's screen)?

I was just at a motorola event and we were able to run nfl mobile through the hdmi.
Yes the tv was in an ice sculpture and yes it was connected to a droid x via the hdmi cable
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That's great news, thanks for letting us know!
The more apps with handshakes to the hdmi-out we have, the better for us to get it working completely openly
The whole media-center-and-phone-in-my-pocket is just a great idea imho...
With the hdmi out we could:
put any videos and pictures from any source up on your home tv
connect it to the projector at work and give presentations
go with a few bluetooth controllers to your friend's house and play multiplayer (even online) games on their tv with minimal cords to deal with
maybe even video-chat would be possible if you set up the phone with the camera facing out in front of the tv
... ok, that last one sounds like a pretty lame way to get video-chat, but it would save on having to have a computer/monitor/webcam when you wanted to
Of course this is all far into the future stages of development on the phone, but I'd rather create buzz and excitement to build up a developer and user base

Talked to a moto rep, said it might have been a beta device as licensing is what will prevent this thing from being turned on when it hits consumers hands. At least we know it can be done.
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no fun, i'm not much of a C programmer, but if it's just enabling or disabling the driver, I guess it comes down to the security on the phone. If you go into root, I suppose we should be able to start the driver. The only thing I fear is if the driver is signed and only a signed application can access it, then I think we might be SOL

I'm not particularly worried... if we get access to enough apps that use the hdmi driver, we should be able to document enough of the method.
I believe while the hardware can reject unsigned versions of the OS (roms), most apps are self-signed (see developer. android. com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html) so that shouldn't be a problem. We just have to figure out which hoops to jump through (following the programs that use hdmi) to get it to work. They'd have to leave the hoops pretty wide open or else risk the need of updating the thing every time a new app is released that needs to get through.

This is a mixed bag here. The reason why Motorola limited the hdmi driver is likely so they didn't have to put a fps cap on the droid x like htc put on the evo.
This is pure speculation here but I would imagine the way that the evo devs are going to "truly" overcome the fps cap is to mimic the droid x behavior of toggling on and off the hdmi drivers so that the evo can access up to 60 fps.
You guys are on the other end of the boat where by default your fps won't be artificially capped, but you likely won't have full access to the hdmi drivers at first.
I think the sweet spot for both phones is finding a happy medium where we can toggle the hdmi drivers at will.

Any news on this? I would really like to get rockplayer and youtube working through hdmi. In fact, I would like to get the entire OS through HDMI and possibly a bluetooth keyboard and mouse working so I can use it as a little media center pc.

2 way control
I would lime to see this pushed to.the level of controlling the phone through an hdmi touchscreen.

I thought we would be able to see pandora and other apps through the hdmi...This sucks the way it is...also does anyone think the sound is terrible through the hdmi?

There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?

sp1kez said:
There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?
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NO, the hdmi dock is a half ass design. For the $, it should do everything. MOTO/VZ dropped the ball on this. Hopefully they will open this up with a sw update.

Update: "Real HDMI" in the market
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769990&highlight=control+hdmi

Hi,
I'm pretty new to Android development. So my understanding after reading a couple threads here is that HDMI access on the stock Droid X is limited to the gallery only, is that right? And the point of the "Real HDMI" app is that it will automatically redirect all output to the phone's display through HDMI, right? So no API exists which gives programmatic control over the HDMI port? That's a shame if so.
Do any of the Android devices allow easier HDMI port control or do we need these kinds of work arounds for all of them?
Thank you very much for any information anyone can provide.

Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.

commie64 said:
Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.
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Maybe try posting in the Real HDMI thread over at DroidXForums.com because username GMAN (who made real hdmi) has a thread there. I'm sure his knowledge of the subject is pretty extensive.

Full HDMI Mirroring and NFL Mobile

Wondering if there is a hack or work around for full HDMI mirroring regardless of what app is running. Specifically I'm hoping to mirror the NFL Mobile app so I can watch redzone via HDMI on my TV.
Has anyone successfully been able to watch NFL Mobile via hdmi?

PLEASE, this is a huge letdown...

I was super disappointed too but for now I've found a work around. Grab the "Xternal Display" app from the market. Plug in your phone to your TV and run Xternal Display before launching NFL mobile. This worked for me.

That's great news. I'll have to give it a try. How is the quality?
Also I'm assuming you haven't tried this with a webtop interface? I was thinking about getting the HD doc but would want to be able to run NFL Mobile for sure.

I haven't tried it with webtop. The quality is okay, it's nowhere near HDTV quality but it's watchable. I probably wouldn't invite a bunch of people over to watch redzone or anything... but it's not bad.

I have been unable to get it work with the webtop.

Is there a setting somewhere to prevent NFL mobile from minimizing and asking if I'm still there? I don't want to get up off the couch to hit "yes" every few minutes if I'm streaming to me TV...

Does it work when you stream to the tv?

How do you get NFL Mobile to even run> It force closes everytime I open it!

Has anyone gotten an updated version of this app that is hacked?
They have forced us to upgrade!!

Running eclipse 2.2 mirroring works fine haven't done ICS yet
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ICS
I'm on ICS and it doesn't work. I used it all last year with Xternal Display app and ever since they upgraded NFL mobile can't get pass the message popping up saying HDMI is plugged in. Any work around yet?

T_Dog said:
I'm on ICS and it doesn't work. I used it all last year with Xternal Display app and ever since they upgraded NFL mobile can't get pass the message popping up saying HDMI is plugged in. Any work around yet?
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This would be a very nice thing to have working.
I thought it may be possible to change settings around with SQ Lite but I don't see NFL Mobile in SQ's databases.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

HULU HDMI .apk solution (I think I have it)

Anyone near an HDMI cable and have a HULU Plus subscription that wants to test?
I think I managed to find the setting in the strings.csv fie that disables HDMI output from the .apk. I've re-signed the package, but I can't test it to see if it works. The file is found in the assets/ui folder:
Code:
Line 130: strings_ui.xml|ui_hdmi_output_disabled HDMI Output Disabled 1
Changed to 0. Please test and report back.

Hulu plus is giving a free month from geiko... saw it on Xbox.... so I guess I could try it for ya but I'm stock non-root (if that matters... sorry I have bad luck with phones don't want to risk it for insurance sake)... just let me know
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You don't need to be modified to install it, however, I finally tested it last night and it didn't work.

Yeah.. sorry you had posted this when i wont up... the good news is that your going to save me 8$ a month cuz turns out I've been paying for it And Netflix for some time now and didn't know thanks to you I can cancel Hulu... thank you kindly for you efforts
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Crap, I dont have a laptop with me to keep testing and I'm stuck in a hotel and I have to use the old version of hulu.

Tried this on my transformer tf300t tab. Installs fine but doesn't fix the HDMI output block.

yeah sorry to abandon the thread. i had to go back to the drawing board. the data file i found seems more like a tick-count than actual config info. i got side-tracked once i found this other app, that disables the display, but HULU still detects the HDMI.
what's needed here is to fool the APK into thinking the external display is the primary display, or to elminate the hardware reporting that HDMI has been enabled. once you remove HDMI, the video plays as normal. when you connect HDMI, you get a warning message and the video stops buffering.
based on HULU's earlier APKs, i know that at one point, you could get the warning message, but that the video would still display. they somehow fixed that, which is why it doesn't work. my conclusion is that once the hardware reports that HDMI has been enabled (new device found?), that HULU sends a command to stop receiving video feed/buffer.
if the APK were truly disabling the HDMI output, wouldn't the screen on the device work and you would see nothing on the HDMI device (TV)? somebody has done some band-aid type of programming to counter the issue, which should be easily adverted.
i need someone with more knowledge than me, to figure out how to make calls to the hardware layer, to detect external devices, in the manner described above. if there's some sort of permission that can be changed, or channel that can be closed, HULU can update its APK all it wants.

hangon wait, hulu blocks the use of hdmi?
iv never had hulu.

Ouya display output on Notebook

Hi there,
i was searching for a way i could stream the video output of my ouya on my Notebook. Without using the HDMI output.
The Idea came because i only have one HDMI TV and i am not livng alone, so for basic things the sreaming would be good for me.
Anyone some ideas?
Greetz
Jabbad

Jabbad said:
Hi there,
i was searching for a way i could stream the video output of my ouya on my Notebook. Without using the HDMI output.
The Idea came because i only have one HDMI TV and i am not livng alone, so for basic things the sreaming would be good for me.
Anyone some ideas?
Greetz
Jabbad
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Mods, please move this thread to the q&a section..
To kind of answer your question, look for something that shares the screen from a phone/tablet over tcp to a laptop and sideload it.

You can by ALIENWARE m18x laptop, it has separate both HDMI in and out.
So you can connect OUYA via hdmi cable to it.:silly:

Simonius007 said:
You can by ALIENWARE m18x laptop, it has separate both HDMI in and out.
So you can connect OUYA via hdmi cable to it.:silly:
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with that kinda of reply he is far better getting a new tv.
just get one of these
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=4088&seq=1&format=2
It seems like everything uses HDMI these days, from home theater equipment to your Android phone. With so many HDMI devices in use, most televisions quickly run out of available HDMI input ports. You don't want the hassle of plugging and unplugging cables whenever you want to watch or play something different and you don't want the expense of new TV. Just get this 4x1 Enhanced HDMI Switch from Monoprice!

What he is looking for is a alternative option to the TV he shares. I don't think many laptops have video in. You would need to get a USB device to do that. However those are capture devices and I believe the OUYA signal has DRM restrictions.
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Some USB capture devices have been known to work, you'll have to look that up, but there is a dev working on a way to do it over a network. Right now it's still in the concept phases, however, and I wouldn't expect to see it anytime soon.

[Q]uverse app [q]

Just wondering since googleing it has returned a lot of conflicting reports. Does the att uverse streaming app work on the chromecast?

No, it doesn't, is not white listed and as far as I can see in the app up there is no option to use it with airplay nor with chromecast, but maybe somebody that really knows can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong

I see this is older tread but works for me via casting the screen

affiatic said:
I see this is older tread but works for me via casting the screen
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Cast screen was added recently and it doesn't work on many devices, I tried it on a zeki tablet and it was stuttering a lot... Which is sometimes normal on uverse... LOL