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The truth about cellphones (must read)

True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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geeksquadryder said:
True story : I picked up a load of colored painted lumber in Atlanta and dropped it off in Lancaster, pa. An Amish family that made high end custom play sets for rich folks and wow the stuff the could build seemed like some from a Harry Potter movie. We started talking about technology and they didn't desire to have a cellphone or any phone for that matter. They seemed so much at peace with just the basics in life. Clearly they live in a area with malls but still appreciated life in a simple form. Now its 2011 and most folks can't go a day without cellphone use, and have a piss fit if they cell is about to die while at the mall. We stand in long lines waiting for the new it phone then rush home to make an unboxing video as others tune to watch us in awe to remove the plastic off a device. We call up the carriers begging for an update to get a new device.. log in to sites like this and complain about the device and while asking developers to stop spending time with your family and hurry up on that root so i can do a whole bunch of nothing with my phone. I'm not saying cellphones are bad, if your wife ran out to pick up pizza and got a flat you definitely want her to have one in that situation. I'm talking bout being apart of the gimmick crowd...
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I'm happy to be there. My firm belief is that technology will produce the paradise we all want. Unlike some conservative types, I don't adhere to the rule of suffering in life all the time. They think the only good person is one who is 24/7/365 suffering and doing without. We make technology to overcome the environment, not to continue to suffer in it. The only reason there is any form of suffering in the world is because technology hasn't developed to the point of addressing all of the needs. As long as a person holds onto their ethical and moral integrity, suffering is needless.

Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices

Yes, I agree with you geeksquadryder. As we are forgetting what a real life is? We need mobiles for doing our daily work but some people getting mobiles for not satisfying must needs but for fun. We know how much impact these mobiles can have in our life in helping and ruining. So, its upto the head of the home to teach or drive his/her home to be happy with/without things of needed.

Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!

aFo3262 said:
Don't like this idea. Some people always say that these are just devices that call and text, everything else is excess and we don't need it in our daily lives. Like we should be grateful we have them. But this is called progress. At one time, we didn't have cars or color tv or this latest gadget. And we have adjusted our lives accordingly so that they are essentials in day to day living. It's foolish to just live in the past or sit still, the world moves at a fast pace. If we didn't feel a need for more, innovation would just stop. They don't even call cell phones "cell phones" anymore, they call them mobiles because that's what they are. Mobile devices
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people are constantly saying how technology has made ungrateful and ruined lives. I don't see how wanting the most out of your phone can ruin your life. This is called evolution/progress. I'm glad we have cell phones and I'm glad technology is getting better and I hope one day I won't have to lift a finger to do many of the tedious tasks I do on a day to day basis.
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If we just stick to "need" when we live life, we'd be a very poor society. Much of the art and technology we have today have made it so far for want of innovation and pleasure. And yes, also for pure fun.
It's not excessive, it's creative, new, interesting and in this way, important. Especially since we came down from the trees...

DirkGently1 said:
Our biggest mistake was coming down from the trees in the first place. Everything since then is just compounded error. Too late to go back now!
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Yup. Now we are describing quantum physics with languages initially designed to tell the other monkey where the fruit was.

yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.

ballasdontcry said:
yeah, and let's just revert back to farming for every one right...
i'll use whatever tech i want, you can go be a luddite.
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Or use two tin cans and a string...
(somebody's sig, that is)

sakai4eva said:
Or use two tin cans and a string...
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That would be 1970's tech to the Amish.
By the way, anyone know what an Amish guy's arm up a horse's butt is? A mechanic.

sakai4eva said:
Yup. Now we are describing quantum physics with languages initially designed to tell the other monkey where the fruit was.
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Mind = blown! Genius post
I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.

DirkGently1 said:
Mind = blown! Genius post
I do often think the Amish and others of that ilk have the right idea. It may be luddism but as a society i bet they are generally happier than the rest of the world at large.
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Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.

sakai4eva said:
Sorry to tell you but technology is important. I always remember the economics of technology, where tech has the potential of drastically changing supply, demand or both.
It increases the quality of life, and frees us to do things that are more important, like putting funny captions on pictures of cats instead of adding up a few thousand lines of labour costs.
You read HHGTTG, there was one book where people used leaves as currency...
p/s: I stole that initial quote from Pratchett.
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As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.

DirkGently1 said:
As i said earlier, it's too late to go back now. I disagree that technology improves lives though. More people die because of technology than are saved by it. You have to remember that as a race we have stopped evolving; instead our tools are evolving. Rather than changing to adapt to our environment we are trying to change our environment to adapt to us. This is not a good thing.
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Wow, I could berate you over that. But I won't. The reason I want to is because THAT is a main part of the conservative/religious ideal. It's ignorant because they believe they...embodied in their gray matter...have all understanding and knowledge of the universe and existence. Because of this, they push hardship and suffering on society as something good for us.
These pea-brained idiots never consider they do not know everything. They have a thought, and because *they* have that thought, it has to be correct and righteous. So therefor they proceed to prevent society from having peace and they thwart all technological progress as much they can and call it evil. They are the kind that believes only someone who is constantly suffering is a better person. And they do that to people.
They see one aspect of something and conclude that it leads to what they believe it should.
You'll have to pardon my intensity because here in America, that is exactly what happened to my life. My life was wiped out as though it was nothing to me by ideological/religious/conservative zealots. With an attitude of, "You'll thank me when you recover". The only problem is they had no clue how destructive their ideology was to me and it obliterated my life.

I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.

DirkGently1 said:
I'm a godless Atheist but this is not a religious discussion! I love technology but i admit that the cost far outweighs the benefits. The global gene pool is getting weaker by the day while we rape the planet that we rely on to survive.
Advancement is inevitable but so is entropy. Equilibrium will be returned but i guarantee it won't be in a way that's favourable to human life.
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Amen, I mean, I agree to that (zing!).
Truth is, I believe that technology helped me a lot. I mean, Microsoft Excel is a million times better than an A3 piece of paper and a calculator.
But certain techs makes us dumber, and not smarter. We don't use it to expand ourselves and our capabilities, but to limit ourselves and reduce innovation and creativity.
Case in point; iPhone.

**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......

conantroutman said:
**sniff sniff** smells like..... religious overtones.... wafting through the air....
(What I'm doing here.......... Your seing it??)
Marty, I'm looking in your direction......
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Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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nobleskill said:
Lol. Would be like missing John Cleese goose stepping through dining room...
Religion is OK just don't mention the war!!!
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What war? The one where they killed everyone for staying in some place long ago, or the one where they kill everyone else for being someone else?
Wait, I got that mixed up, didn't I, it was the one where they killed people for being different, right?
p/s: religion talk is never ok, especially when it gets slightly out of hand. Note the understatement

7,000,000,000 people in the world..

..but there were only 3,920,842,735 when i was born! Has nobody heard of contraception?
I was the 78,195,979,093rd person to live since history began.*
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15391515
Mind=blown?
*not entirely sure what 'history' refers to here. Recorded history? Since the first Homo Sapien? Answers on a postcard..

Meh. The Earth can easily sustain another couple billion before she starts falling apart. And hey if we want to lower the population significantly we can just get rid of India or China.
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DirkGently said:
I was the 78,195,979,093rd person to live since history began.*
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Are you sure about that? I told me that I'm the 3,836,620,365th person which means nearly 75 billion people were born between me and you
Edit: Scratch that - It's me being dumb and misreading the page. I was the 78,061,059,109th person.

Archer said:
Are you sure about that? I told me that I'm the 3,836,620,365th person which means nearly 75 billion people were born between me and you
Edit: Scratch that - It's me being dumb and misreading the page. I was the 78,061,059,109th person.
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Direct copy/paste! LOL!
Contraception people! Use it!!!
I've heard varying estimates over the years of the maximum number that the planet can sustain. Between 12 and 25 Billion are numbers i've heard, before we 'run out of planet'. Some could reasonably say we've already reached that point already!

that's me:
When you were born, you were the:
5,443,677,780th
person alive on Earth
80,596,424,130th
person to have lived since history began

When you were born, you were the:
1,744,890,692nd
person alive on Earth
72,505,844,764th
person to have lived since history began
Damn...ya'll are youngins.
~Jasecloud4

DirkGently said:
Has nobody heard of contraception?
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Apparently not...
Honestly i don't understand why someone wants more then 3 kids.. after 3 kids either the woman should get the tubes tied or the guy should get vasectomy ,
And also parents should take care of there kids and teach them about birth control... the problem is that they don't believe in birth control cause of their religion or they drink too much and forget to wear one or they just say F*ck it and do it anyway even if they don't have a condem
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When you were born,
you were the:5,063,227,422ndperson alive on Earth
80,001,709,065thperson to have lived since history began

I'm still laughing at the line, "when History began".
What does that even mean?

jasecloud4 said:
Meh. The Earth can easily sustain another couple billion before she starts falling apart. And hey if we want to lower the population significantly we can just get rid of India or China.
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The planet regulates itself. Natural disasters and epidemics. Personally i think it's a good thing. I don't like seeing people die but someone has to go, so mother nature cleans up.

Well thats crp! What do us 100< y.olds do

jasecloud4 said:
When you were born, you were the:
1,744,890,692nd
person alive on Earth
72,505,844,764th
person to have lived since history began
Damn...ya'll are youngins.
~Jasecloud4
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Nah...when I was born, I was the only one on Earth. The population was 1

DirkGently said:
..but there were only 3,920,842,735 when i was born! Has nobody heard of contraception?
I was the 78,195,979,093rd person to live since history began.*
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15391515
Mind=blown?
*not entirely sure what 'history' refers to here. Recorded history? Since the first Homo Sapien? Answers on a postcard..
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Contraception? What is that?

It's amazing to think that the entire world is reliant on a simple premise that we need ever more young people to sustain our race and our economy. It sounds logical but it's a dangerous and unprecedented runaway effect! Look at it like this:
The Welfare system in the US went something like this. "We in power will want to retire when we're old". "Who will pay for that?". "Well, the young 'uns who are working will pay for that. There's less of us and more of them after all, so each of them pays a fraction, which is enough to sustain us few"
Of course that large group of young people grow old and become a large group of old people. An even larger group of young people are now needed to provide for that ever increasing group of old folk. Even an imbecile can see how badly that logic fails. In it's inception there were 40 young folk providing for each of the elderly. Now its almost completely reversed and the state has to make up the difference.
This is what the worlds economy is based on. Illogical math. It's the same with population. We have a runaway but unsustainable population growth. When the same thing happens in a Deer population for example, when the herd becomes bigger than the habitat can sustain, nature will take over and the herd will reduce it's number naturally. Some will starve of course but they will learn over time that it's not a good time to reproduce and birth rates will fall. All species control their numbers in this fashion.
Oh, with one exception, Humans. We're reliant now on ever increasing numbers to sustain us while simultaneously digging a deeper and deeper hole for ourselves. From a socio-economic standpoint we're the herd that's about to outgrow our habitat. I wonder what natural mechanisms will come into play?
Some already have of course. In the civilised world birth rates are falling. Makes sense as people can only afford two, not four children any more. That's a nice natural control. The problem is we now need six to sustain our economic infrastructure. So on the one hand, we're lightening the load on our fragile resources, but we're dooming ourselves to economic calamity at the same time!
Anybody who can reconcile the two and solve both problems at once will probably end up as not only Nobel Lauriete, but as Supreme Leader and ruler of the planet for life!

Have you watched Logan's Run?

xaccers said:
Have you watched Logan's Run?
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All manner of dystopian movies, including that one! I'd be eight years in the grave using that system of population control. If you've read the Stephen King short story, or seen the movie version, 'Children Of The Corn' had the same premise.
The thing is we are kinda living outside of natural controls now. One person i read said that "we no longer evolve as a species, we evolve our tools instead". It's scary but true. The human lifespan was significantly shorter in the age where we had less control over it. Survival of the fittest reigned supreme. If there wasn't enough food to go around, the population stagnated until there were bountiful supplies again.
Now we don't care if there's enough to go around. There isn't, we all know that. But what we have isn't distributed equally. That's the real crime. 10% of the world using 90% of the worlds resources? While the 10% die in poverty?
That my friends is nothing short of ****ed up.

For those who came to this post from a Google search, it has been removed and in its place is a correction based on a new understanding.
That new understanding is the knowledge that macro evolution is a lie. Anything about the universe that contradicts what a certain belief system
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I apologize for spouting falsehood and haring the belief system
of anyone harmed by what I spouted as truth.

DirkGently said:
All manner of dystopian movies, including that one! I'd be eight years in the grave using that system of population control. If you've read the Stephen King short story, or seen the movie version, 'Children Of The Corn' had the same premise.
The thing is we are kinda living outside of natural controls now. One person i read said that "we no longer evolve as a species, we evolve our tools instead". It's scary but true. The human lifespan was significantly shorter in the age where we had less control over it. Survival of the fittest reigned supreme. If there wasn't enough food to go around, the population stagnated until there were bountiful supplies again.
Now we don't care if there's enough to go around. There isn't, we all know that. But what we have isn't distributed equally. That's the real crime. 10% of the world using 90% of the worlds resources? While the 10% die in poverty?
That my friends is nothing short of ****ed up.
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We'll jump in generation ships and head out into the galaxy.
Or, once mining asteroids takes off, the creation of space stations, think Rama, or Bab5.

Kill me, I don't think android is perfect

actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.

Well, I want to kill you for making a hard to read post.

In before the lock?

I don't see anything specifically lock-worthy, but, just in case ib4c since Archer told us not to post ib4l ....it will probably go on for a bit since Archer is likely asleep and I don't see vanessaem online.

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tldr
OP suffers death by paper cuts.

But there's one thing perfect about android. It is always better than apple products. No matter how **** the android or how good the apple product.
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jacobgong said:
actually this isn't just about android, the same **** happens in forms about everything from TV series, movie stars to books and video card manufacturers, who knows.
What happens is whenever I make a post about something negative about whatever is discussed in the forum, everyone wants to kill me. I mean what the ****? Nothing is perfect okay? It’s a sad fact of life, learn to accept it?
It would seem to me that many people here tend to think their awesome magical super multitasking gigantic 6.99in. screen octa-core hyper-fast android phone with 35 home screens 126 gadgets, running a different LWP on each homescreen, customized to the last pixel, rooted even before being produced, quad-led flash and 82mp camera with 10x optical zoom and phase-detect autofocus and optical inferred, ultraviolet, x-ray mode, with photon-multiplying night vision, with built-in light saber, smartphone. Is the most perfect phone ever to be conceived since before the Big Bang, never to be seen again, not in this universe, or any other coming after it, or any other parallel to it, by any intelligence, divine or not, alive or not, carbon based or not, organic or mechanical, conscious or not. Not even the all-powerful all-knowing omnipotent omniscient Yahweh can reproduce, or even conceive its intricate design.
It’s just so sad whenever I post something going against such a belief without repeatedly expressing it was definitely caused by my own stupidity and inability to write my own operating system with machine language from the ground up blind folded one handed on a phone, debugging it, and installing it on the very same phone, without any other device or help. It seems that if I don’t do that, I am not allowed to say anything negative about android or people would try to kill me.
I know you have your explanations, you call it the “constructive criticism” standard. Something like, as I understand it, if I wanted to say something bad about android, I better have a solution for it. So if I don’t have a solution we should just sweep it under the rug and never mention it? Why is that? Cuz someone might get upset? I mean how pathetic? Like does your life’s sole purpose depend on the invincibility of the argument of your phone’s perfect design?
Now let me say something more serious. You shouldn’t find your confidence in your phone, or the brand of your motherboard, or the price of your watch, or the horsepower of your car, or the cup size of your girlfriend. Because all these, one day they won’t be there with you, they all diminish with time. So go find something more worthwhile, so you don’t get mad when people convince you that your phone isn’t perfect.
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You make a thread titled "Android is not perfect" and don't give a single reason why it's not perfect. Instead you go insulting those who use the operating system (Which I would hardly call constructive criticism). Yes most of us realize that Android is not perfect. Software will never be perfect. There will always be better and more things to add. Now I agree with you in that some people take the specs of their phone way too seriously but that is not the majority of users.
P.S. It's not just Android people that will get mad if you start insulting. If you go to an Ubuntu forum and telling them that Linux is crap, they will yell at you. Same with an iPhone forum.
Oh and...

I'd rather kill the OP than read that wall of text. I don't think anyone would mind that..

I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?

063_XOBX said:
I'll never understand why someone would go to the effort of typing up such a rant and not even bother to make it readable? Isn't the whole point of rants like this to have people read them (and based on the title, incite some kind of argument, it's obvious troll bait)?
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Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Yeah, I truly didn't read it. I guess the bait worked anyway.
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I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).

063_XOBX said:
I tried but gave up when I realized it was just a block of text (made it maybe five words in).
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Bless your heart, you made it that far.
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m1l4droid said:
I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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m1l4droid said:
I made about 2 lines in but then realized it was gibberish.
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You must be a masochist.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I hardly ever do what I did. I opened the thread, saw the huge block of letters and scrolled down and made my first post in the blink of an eye.
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A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.

Y...M...C...A...
Everybody!

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A very appropriate response given the (lack of) content therein.
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Did you just insult me? Too many 6+ letter words.
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Apple's death warrant?

http://rt.com/news/apple-patent-transmission-block-408/

It's super lame they are going to do this.
the company says the affected sites are to be mostly cinemas, theaters, concert grounds and similar locations
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Who the hell records movies on their phones? Now if I see something at a theater I want a picture of I cant have it just because my phone will think I might be in a movie viewing area? What about all the theaters in malls? No taking pictures in malls because there is a movie theater?!
And concert grounds? They really think they have the right to take our devices capabilities away from us during festivals? Hell I take more pics at festivals than I do any other time!! This pisses me off really bad, its the first step towards the government having total control over all our devices and when we can do what with them. I really thought about putting the swear filter to the test for this post. I am disappoint.

Can't see this going down with the general public....seriously bad move by Apple if it goes ahead....which is good news for android!

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which is good news for android!
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I dont see it that way, I think if this goes over it will eventually be required in new phones. But I hope I'm wrong!

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I dont see it that way, I think if this goes over it will eventually be required in new phones. But I hope I'm wrong!
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But if Apple has a patent on it?!

WiredPirate said:
I dont see it that way, I think if this goes over it will eventually be required in new phones. But I hope I'm wrong!
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Even if it winds up required (which it wont) there's only one contender with custom Roms that can remove it. I can't seem to remember who though

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But if Apple has a patent on it?!
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lol, that would be best for everybody.. Unless it becomes required and manufacturers have to pay Apple to use it by law.

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lol, that would be best for everybody.. Unless it becomes required and manufacturers have to pay Apple to use it by law.
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well if you read the article Apple has indeed patented it, and Samsung aren't going to copy that one if they even the slightest bit of common sense

I just read the article and it's coming across as all kinds of morally disgusting. Imagine police brutality that nobody can record on their phones? Or if nobody could record the pepper spray cop walking around paper spraying students? I am not much for conspiracies but this is setting all kinds of bells off.

063_XOBX said:
I just read the article and it's coming across as all kinds of morally disgusting. Imagine police brutality that nobody can record on their phones? Or if nobody could record the pepper spray cop walking around paper spraying students? I am not much for conspiracies but this is setting all kinds of bells off.
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Several states do not want you recording the police, I think some have passed laws against it already.
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Several states do not want you recording the police, I think some have passed laws against it already.
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Illegal or not if I felt my rights were being violated, I would do anything in my power to record what transpired. If a company worked with police to prevent me from doing that then they obviously don't want my money.

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Illegal or not if I felt my rights were being violated, I would do anything in my power to record what transpired.
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I agree, and I would too. But the government holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force, so your going to get your ass whooped or be locked up for taking that picture. Plus the police will just confiscate your device, so better have it uploading in the background or you will never be able to prove it. And even if you do have the pics they will not be usable in court if the law says you cant take the pics.

Craziness. Also one little tweak for hackers to get their hands on and wreak havoc on iOS users. If it's on the phone it's in the code and in theory anyone with the right knowledge could take advantage of it.

MissionImprobable said:
Craziness. Also one little tweak for hackers to get their hands on and wreak havoc on iOS users. If it's on the phone it's in the code and in theory anyone with the right knowledge could take advantage of it.
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I hadn't even thought about that. Hahaha, sucks for them.

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I agree, and I would too. But the government holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force, so your going to get your ass whooped or be locked up for taking that picture. Plus the police will just confiscate your device, so better have it uploading in the background or you will never be able to prove it. And even if you do have the pics they will not be usable in court if the law says you cant take the pics.
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It doesn't matter if they're applicable in court. Groups like the ACLU would have my back on it and I would spare no expense (even beyond support from any groups/organizations that supported me) in making it into a PR nightmare for everyone involved. Just look at the Rodney King trial. He was involved in a high speed chase while driving with a blood alcohol around .19 and wound up being front and center in one of the biggest civil rights cases of the decade. Public perception has a lot more sway over how things are handled than facts.
I just want to clarify that I'm not belittling what Mr.King had to go through, just pointing out that illegal or not, the Police need to be accountable for their actions.

063_XOBX said:
It doesn't matter if they're applicable in court. Groups like the ACLU would have my back on it and I would spare no expense (even beyond support from any groups/organizations that supported me) in making it into a PR nightmare for everyone involved. Just look at the Rodney King trial. He was involved in a high speed chase while driving with a blood alcohol around .19 and wound up being front and center in one of the biggest civil rights cases of the decade. Public perception has a lot more sway over how things are handled than facts.
I just want to clarify that I'm not belittling what Mr.King had to go through, just pointing out that illegal or not, the Police need to be accountable for their actions.
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Agreed, I hope it doesn't come to that though.

This just in, this just in: Apple sucks! Back to you, Jan.

063_XOBX said:
It doesn't matter if they're applicable in court. Groups like the ACLU would have my back on it and I would spare no expense (even beyond support from any groups/organizations that supported me) in making it into a PR nightmare for everyone involved. Just look at the Rodney King trial. He was involved in a high speed chase while driving with a blood alcohol around .19 and wound up being front and center in one of the biggest civil rights cases of the decade. Public perception has a lot more sway over how things are handled than facts.
I just want to clarify that I'm not belittling what Mr.King had to go through, just pointing out that illegal or not, the Police need to be accountable for their actions.
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And it's okay if you did belittle him. The dude was a piece of crap through and through. It was just the excuse LA needed so the animals could come out and riot, rape, pillage, and murder. You're very right about public perception. The media in all its glory never lets a crisis go to waste. Most police "brutality" videos never show the whole scene/situation from stop to finish. I also wager to say that police brutality occurs at a much smaller rate than what the public "perceives" to take place. Not to mention look at the statistics of how many law enforcement officers exist in the U.S. then compare that to the actual, honest to goodness, police brutality incidents and I bet it's less than 0.5%.
Are there piece of **** cops out there? Yes. But I don't see anyone firing politicians these days for royally ****ing up your life. I don't see any media people losing their job for blatantly swaying public perception and falsifying the news and often times just short of inciting riots.
But hey I'm just a little guy in the DOJ who calls it like he sees it and may have wrote a few thesis papers on police corruption and brutality.
I have no problem with being filmed while on the job. My problem is where you take a snippet of an escalated situation to portray me as going beyond my duties as a law enforcement officer and painting me as a bad guy. More so, law enforcement deals with the worst of the worst on a daily basis. We try to do our jobs to the extent that the law allows while also trying to keep the public happy. We are not here to serve you. (IMHO), nor protect you. Exercise your 2nd amendment right for that. We are here to separate the good from evil before you have to.
Each day I'm tasked with waiting for someone to push my adrenaline on overload, knowing today, could be the day, I go meet my maker. I also have to remember that I represent the agency I work for, and public eyes are always watching. I also remember that no matter how much an individual tries to do harm to me verbally or physically I must act in a manner accordingly to how I've been trained and know when to never go above the needed use of force.
While you may sit there and belittle me, I have to push that aside when you call me to come help, assist, save you from whatever danger came your way. In return I ask that you, from one human being to another, always remember that I too make mistakes. That at any point in time I could be sued, my family could be in danger, or any of us could be killed, all because I had a SPLIT SECOND to make a decision on how to react to a highly stressful and downright pants ****ting situation, because you, John Q Public, along with the law said I must follow my duties of removing bad guy A from the streets.
So I ask you, the next time you see a "police brutality" video streaming all over the web or media, please be sure you have all the facts before you cast your first stone. Put yourself in that officer's shoes from start to finish.
Also you as a citizen, it is you duty to know your rights, as a citizen. Use them if you find an over-zealous "authoritative" figure encroaching them. Be polite, be courteous, and be right. You ask the same of us.
So here's some facts. Law enforcement officers have the highest divorce rates out of any profession in the nation. We also have the highest suicide rates. The average life expectancy of a law enforcement officer is 57 years of age. Coincidentally that is also the maximum age allowed before mandatory retirement in the DOJ. Now ask yourself.....what do these tidbits tell you?
ETA: And some tidbits about me. I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money. I think Fast & Furious goes all the way to the top of the administration and they should all be in prison. I'm neither democrat nor republican. I do not support socialism. I fully support the 2nd amendment and believe every citizen has a natural born right to carry a weapon. I do not think all prison inmates are guilty. I do think Washington DC needs a reset button. I support the military and the war on terror. I do think Iraq was somewhat of a mistake. I do think the current police state has gone too militarized and should be tamed. I like to think we as a nation can do anything we want, but realize that more and more this becomes a nation of sheep or people that don't concern themselves with the things they should. I think reality TV has ruined 51% of the current population.
And as much as I love technology and Android, I think smartphones have set people's social skills back decades, if not centuries.

got556 said:
And it's okay if you did belittle him. The dude was a piece of crap through and through. It was just the excuse LA needed so the animals could come out and riot, rape, pillage, and murder. You're very right about public perception. The media in all its glory never lets a crisis go to waste. Most police "brutality" videos never show the whole scene/situation from stop to finish. I also wager to say that police brutality occurs at a much smaller rate than what the public "perceives" to take place. Not to mention look at the statistics of how many law enforcement officers exist in the U.S. then compare that to the actual, honest to goodness, police brutality incidents and I bet it's less than 0.5%.
Are there piece of **** cops out there? Yes. But I don't see anyone firing politicians these days for royally ****ing up your life. I don't see any media people losing their job for blatantly swaying public perception and falsifying the news and often times just short of inciting riots.
But hey I'm just a little guy in the DOJ who calls it like he sees it and may have wrote a few thesis papers on police corruption and brutality.
I have no problem with being filmed while on the job. My problem is where you take a snippet of an escalated situation to portray me as going beyond my duties as a law enforcement officer and painting me as a bad guy. More so, law enforcement deals with the worst of the worst on a daily basis. We try to do our jobs to the extent that the law allows while also trying to keep the public happy. We are not here to serve you. (IMHO), nor protect you. Exercise your 2nd amendment right for that. We are here to separate the good from evil before you have to.
Each day I'm tasked with waiting for someone to push my adrenaline on overload, knowing today, could be the day, I go meet my maker. I also have to remember that I represent the agency I work for, and public eyes are always watching. I also remember that no matter how much an individual tries to do harm to me verbally or physically I must act in a manner accordingly to how I've been trained and know when to never go above the needed use of force.
While you may sit there and belittle me, I have to push that aside when you call me to come help, assist, save you from whatever danger came your way. In return I ask that you, from one human being to another, always remember that I too make mistakes. That at any point in time I could be sued, my family could be in danger, or any of us could be killed, all because I had a SPLIT SECOND to make a decision on how to react to a highly stressful and downright pants ****ting situation, because you, John Q Public, along with the law said I must follow my duties of removing bad guy A from the streets.
So I ask you, the next time you see a "police brutality" video streaming all over the web or media, please be sure you have all the facts before you cast your first stone. Put yourself in that officer's shoes from start to finish.
Also you as a citizen, it is you duty to know your rights, as a citizen. Use them if you find an over-zealous "authoritative" figure encroaching them. Be polite, be courteous, and be right. You ask the same of us.
So here's some facts. Law enforcement officers have the highest divorce rates out of any profession in the nation. We also have the highest suicide rates. The average life expectancy of a law enforcement officer is 57 years of age. Coincidentally that is also the maximum age allowed before mandatory retirement in the DOJ. Now ask yourself.....what do these tidbits tell you?
ETA: And some tidbits about me. I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money. I think Fast & Furious goes all the way to the top of the administration and they should all be in prison. I'm neither democrat nor republican. I do not support socialism. I fully support the 2nd amendment and believe every citizen has a natural born right to carry a weapon. I do not think all prison inmates are guilty. I do think Washington DC needs a reset button. I support the military and the war on terror. I do think Iraq was somewhat of a mistake. I do think the current police state has gone too militarized and should be tamed. I like to think we as a nation can do anything we want, but realize that more and more this becomes a nation of sheep or people that don't concern themselves with the things they should. I think reality TV has ruined 51% of the current population.
And as much as I love technology and Android, I think smartphones have set people's social skills back decades, if not centuries.
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got556 said:
And it's okay if you did belittle him. The dude was a piece of crap through and through. It was just the excuse LA needed so the animals could come out and riot, rape, pillage, and murder. You're very right about public perception. The media in all its glory never lets a crisis go to waste. Most police "brutality" videos never show the whole scene/situation from stop to finish. I also wager to say that police brutality occurs at a much smaller rate than what the public "perceives" to take place. Not to mention look at the statistics of how many law enforcement officers exist in the U.S. then compare that to the actual, honest to goodness, police brutality incidents and I bet it's less than 0.5%.
Are there piece of **** cops out there? Yes. But I don't see anyone firing politicians these days for royally ****ing up your life. I don't see any media people losing their job for blatantly swaying public perception and falsifying the news and often times just short of inciting riots.
But hey I'm just a little guy in the DOJ who calls it like he sees it and may have wrote a few thesis papers on police corruption and brutality.
I have no problem with being filmed while on the job. My problem is where you take a snippet of an escalated situation to portray me as going beyond my duties as a law enforcement officer and painting me as a bad guy. More so, law enforcement deals with the worst of the worst on a daily basis. We try to do our jobs to the extent that the law allows while also trying to keep the public happy. We are not here to serve you. (IMHO), nor protect you. Exercise your 2nd amendment right for that. We are here to separate the good from evil before you have to.
Each day I'm tasked with waiting for someone to push my adrenaline on overload, knowing today, could be the day, I go meet my maker. I also have to remember that I represent the agency I work for, and public eyes are always watching. I also remember that no matter how much an individual tries to do harm to me verbally or physically I must act in a manner accordingly to how I've been trained and know when to never go above the needed use of force.
While you may sit there and belittle me, I have to push that aside when you call me to come help, assist, save you from whatever danger came your way. In return I ask that you, from one human being to another, always remember that I too make mistakes. That at any point in time I could be sued, my family could be in danger, or any of us could be killed, all because I had a SPLIT SECOND to make a decision on how to react to a highly stressful and downright pants ****ting situation, because you, John Q Public, along with the law said I must follow my duties of removing bad guy A from the streets.
So I ask you, the next time you see a "police brutality" video streaming all over the web or media, please be sure you have all the facts before you cast your first stone. Put yourself in that officer's shoes from start to finish.
Also you as a citizen, it is you duty to know your rights, as a citizen. Use them if you find an over-zealous "authoritative" figure encroaching them. Be polite, be courteous, and be right. You ask the same of us.
So here's some facts. Law enforcement officers have the highest divorce rates out of any profession in the nation. We also have the highest suicide rates. The average life expectancy of a law enforcement officer is 57 years of age. Coincidentally that is also the maximum age allowed before mandatory retirement in the DOJ. Now ask yourself.....what do these tidbits tell you?
ETA: And some tidbits about me. I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money. I think Fast & Furious goes all the way to the top of the administration and they should all be in prison. I'm neither democrat nor republican. I do not support socialism. I fully support the 2nd amendment and believe every citizen has a natural born right to carry a weapon. I do not think all prison inmates are guilty. I do think Washington DC needs a reset button. I support the military and the war on terror. I do think Iraq was somewhat of a mistake. I do think the current police state has gone too militarized and should be tamed. I like to think we as a nation can do anything we want, but realize that more and more this becomes a nation of sheep or people that don't concern themselves with the things they should. I think reality TV has ruined 51% of the current population.
And as much as I love technology and Android, I think smartphones have set people's social skills back decades, if not centuries.
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I would never make an unfounded claim about the Police, especially not one about Police brutality. I believe that like all people (they're only human) they are mostly good. However if for even a second I believe that my rights are being encroached upon I will not hesitate to use any resource I can, media included, to bring it to light. Most "controversies" are a bunch of hype and not having all the facts, but if even 1/10th of a percent are real they need to be brought to light. Any time a person is given elevated authority over another there needs to be some kind of check to keep them in line. The media isn't perfect, but it's the closest thing we have to a semblance of something that "watches those who watch over us".

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Lets spread the word about "Our Mission to Raise Awareness of Impaired & Distracted Driving while Operating a Motor Vehicle. To Prevent and Share the Consequences of this Crime"
Tell the person next to you....Think Before You Drink!!
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edisile said:
I am drunk, I'm driving at 170 km/h on the freeway. I think I also ran over a cat or a dog... whatever! What's this thread about?
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With 5+ million members...only if we can spread the word about being safe on the road, with laying out the consequences of those crimes. I think will be good contribution.
People know its wrong, but continue to commit such a crime...maybe they don't think it is a crime, maybe they don't know it carries a criminal record...they don't know they can go to JAIL for a while and ruin their career?
Kill others in the process. Well it can happen. We all can help each other.
Most people will say, "its their life to ruin"...well there is the other part. The ones that will lose their life or be injured in the process is what we really want to help!!
It can happen to someone on this Forum, well only if they can see this thread..it might help??
We are speaking about both Impaired and Distracted driving....which we all should know by now "Distracted" is more common than Impaired Driving, and have more fatalities as of lately.
"PLAN AHEAD" is another good start.

"DWD" - "Driving While Distracted" = is the new "DUI".

Hopefully as we go further into this thread, everyone can be educated...that is how people learn from their mistakes. Someone have to let them know RIGHT from WRONG!!
The first thing to learn is RESPECT!!
I grew that way, so that was not an issue for me. Give it a try!!

Ok...I've deleted some posts on this here thread. The OP is trying to make a valid point that fall within our rules and guidelines...please stop trolling here.
Want to participate in this thread? Do it in a respectful way...otherwise, stay out!!
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Could you please list those valid points, so i can try to answer them?
I am not here to change laws or add them, i am here to raise awareness. I know awareness might be a heavily used word, that people just ignore it.
But the bottom line is, if i can help a few to understand the consequences and danger that comes with those senseless acts...i am doing right.
No one lost here!! Just see the need.
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Let's just start with how "dwd" is impossible to avoid. There are early signs of a push to ban eating while driving. What next? No more stereos? Blood pressure monitor hooked to ignition, so you can't drive if you're upset at all?
People want to put blame on everything a person does to avoid the truth:
Some people are just too stupid to drive responsibly.
People will always make driving errors, no matter what.
You can't put enough laws on the books to prevent all distractions.
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Ok...I've deleted some posts on this here thread. The OP is trying to make a valid point that fall within our rules and guidelines...please stop trolling here.
Want to participate in this thread? Do it in a respectful way...otherwise, stay out!!
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On topic, drink is just a small issue amongst a hundred other dangerous things I've seen. Women putting on makeup doing 70 down the motorway, people rolling cigs whilst driving with their knees, reaching back to swing at the kids, people taking pictures of accidents with their phones, people that can barely see over the steering wheel. The list is endless, some people shouldn't even be behind the wheel of a car and god knows how some people managed to even pass their test
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jugg1es said:
On topic, drink is just a small issue amongst a hundred other dangerous things I've seen. Women putting on makeup doing 70 down the motorway, people rolling cigs whilst driving with their knees, reaching back to swing at the kids, people taking pictures of accidents with their phones, people that can barely see over the steering wheel. The list is endless, some people shouldn't even be behind the wheel of a car and god knows how some people managed to even pass their test
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jRi0T68 said:
Let's just start with how "dwd" is impossible to avoid.
There are early signs of a push to ban eating while driving.
What next?
No more stereos?
Blood pressure monitor hooked to ignition, so you can't drive if you're upset at all?
People want to put blame on everything a person does to avoid the truth:
Some people are just too stupid to drive responsibly.
People will always make driving errors, no matter what.
You can't put enough laws on the books to prevent all distractions.
"The government that governs best is that which governs least."
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Lets not get carried away with what is really the issue here. Getting high and using a mobile device behind the wheel don't mix, period!!
DWD is not impossible to avoid....you just need to set behind the wheel RULES. Once that is set, obey it.
Do you really think eating while driving is safe?
Just drive, it is what you are supposed to do.
I don't have a say on this, only to be cautious, use lots of spacing, know your surroundings, use presets, create playlists if using an iPod and just let it play. Steering wheel operation is becoming standard. Stereo is secondary, driving is primary!!
You shouldn't drive upset. People do not know this, especially the ones getting upset while using the cellphone. Cool down first.
What do you mean by blame...truth?
You call it stupid, which might just be distraction, novice driver, impaired, upset, stressed, etc...
Everybody is not perfect, there will be errors....There is a slim chance of having errors if you are 100% focused on driving and follow the rules and regulations of the road. Basically if you are gonna cut a tree down, would you use the cellphone while cutting the tree down? Would you eat while cutting the tree down? No, because you can get injured or killed, or kill others around you.
We don't need Laws, we just gotta teach ADULTS common sense. I have no clue how to teach common sense.
Not sure what you mean...Maybe that is why i see the need to do this.

My point is there will ALWAYS be distractions, and recent talk here on laws yet to be in the books is absurd.
When you're stuck in traffic for 3 hrs in the morning and 3 at night, having nothing to eat or drink, expecting no distractions or interruptions, expecting that you won't drive if you're worried about work, or pull over every time your child gets disrespectful... It's all a bit far fetched.
Focus on the road, plan ahead, but a fascist environment isn't necessary for driving. It's not hard to sip coffee in traffic, cram a quick bit in every two minutes, etc.
Maybe those real world distractions aren't things you've experienced while driving (assuming you do drive).
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jRi0T68 said:
My point is there will ALWAYS be distractions, and recent talk here on laws yet to be in the books is absurd.
When you're stuck in traffic for 3 hrs in the morning and 3 at night, having nothing to eat or drink, expecting no distractions or interruptions, expecting that you won't drive if you're worried about work, or pull over every time your child gets disrespectful... It's all a bit far fetched.
Focus on the road, plan ahead, but a fascist environment isn't necessary for driving. It's not hard to sip coffee in traffic, cram a quick bit in every two minutes, etc.
Maybe those real world distractions aren't things you've experienced while driving (assuming you do drive).
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There will always be distractions outside of the car. Once you train yourself to not be distracted, everything will be okay.
Remember that you have a family to take from point A to point B safely.
People are the ones to blame here, on why there is such Laws planned ahead.
Only if I started this earlier, maybe those Laws could have been prevented.
The car is DEFINITELY not a lunchroom. But I do admit doing this previously.
Once your kids seatbelt is secured, whatever it is can wait until you stop safely.... I have 5 children to deal with at times.
Disrespectful?? Maybe you mean to say "act up"...No child should be disrespectful toward their parents, from day one!!
I do not drink coffee...but I occasionally take a bottle of water with me.
Now, just to be clear...I refuse to be Distracted in close quarters while driving. If there is a fair amount of spacing and clear surroundings, also in a staggered position...then I will choose to take that sip of water, or even touch the stereo.
I am 37 yrs old now... I do drive, I am a Professional Driver...My Licence Class is ACMZ.
A - Any tractor-trailer or combination of motor vehicle
C - Any regular bus with designed seating capacity for more than 24 passengers
M - Motorcycle
Z - Air Brake
I must say this, I was younger at one point and totally opposite of what I am right now.
Only if there was someone there to put me in check, to show me RIGHT from WRONG!!

I am here with a Goal, and that is to spread the word that will protect and save human lives, and also prevent people's future and careers being destroyed by this senseless crime.
Our Mission is to Raise Awareness of Impaired & Distracted Driving while Operating a Motor Vehicle. To Prevent and Share the Consequences and Dangers of this Crime.
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