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[Q] When 4g comes out for Captivate will we have to get new phones?

Can we just flash the LTE Modem or will we have to get new phones?

our phones do not have the required hardware to go 4g. i could be wrong but i doubt it. but who cares, by the time at&t actually gets a real 4g, we should all be ready to upgrade.

LTE and HSPA are different. As long as HSPA is pushed then we can go to the max of the phones hardware.
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Another amazing post. They walk among us.

Was your old EDGE speed phone capable of getting 3G speeds? X-(
Of course ypur going to need a new phone with a 4G sim card.
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What are the max speeds on HSDPA/HSUPA? And just how much are we going to miss?
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Miami if you're not going to be helpful in Q/A then why post?
For 3G/4G you need to talk tech not blanket terms it would be easier to know what exactly you are asking.
HSPA+ LTE are the competeing tech one being a new tech (LTE) and one being an advancement of current tech (HSPA+).
Captivates can do um 7M using HSPA (double check gsm arena or the wiki or the manual for the numbers) so any upgrade to the network the device will top out at the max speed the device can support.
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Max speeds for HSPA are theoretical. TMO said they would push it up to and over the 50M level while currently upgrades to networks have it at 14-21M though because of the way it works you will not get those speeds real world.
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Miami if you're not going to be helpful in Q/A then why post?
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Just pointing out the obvious.

Getting rid of tmobile g2

Well I'm a little mad at my phone I'm going to a 3g only phone because on the tmobile map it shows 4g availible in my area and no 4g struggle for 3g half the time...now what phone should I get?
Tmobile
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dakkywantstodocrazysht said:
Well I'm a little mad at my phone I'm going to a 3g only phone because on the tmobile map it shows 4g availible in my area and no 4g struggle for 3g half the time...now what phone should I get?
Tmobile
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Maybe wait for the LG 2X as it's supposed to have bands for T-Mo AND AT&T.
(That might future proof you in case AT&T actually gets their way. And not to mention dual core )
Otherwise I say Nexus S

Thrill ICS 4G ???

We now have 4G lte service in my area. Well at least on my wife's Samsung Galaxy III. After updating my Thrill to ICS I now have a 4G symbol but I definitely do not have 4G performance. Are these phones capable of true 4G LTE or is it only AT&T HSPA+?
I'm rooted so I can make some manual tweaks if necessary. I noticed a throttle value in the settings.db. What should that value be for the best performance?
Thanks

Reading an old review of the phone on a site,it said the thrill 4g was not a true lte phone. Not sure if it's the hardware or the software. Good luck! What are you getting from speed test app?
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Yeah.. I did some digging and it's not a LTE capable phone. I was hoping it was software based. AT&T official response was. It's a 4G phone that's not capable of 4G speeds. ??? Figure that one out..
My speed:
4 down and almost 1 up. Latency and jitter are 218 and 70ms. This seems to have gotten worse since the tower went to 4G.
My wifes phone:
18 down and 10 up. I expect this to get throttled at some point. Seems too good to be true. Her latency and jitter on the other hand is 70 and 12ms. Thought this should be better.

Here is mine
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pete3000 said:
Here is mine
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that is some impressive data speed i swear i only hit that high once

miketamm said:
We now have 4G lte service in my area. Well at least on my wife's Samsung Galaxy III. After updating my Thrill to ICS I now have a 4G symbol but I definitely do not have 4G performance. Are these phones capable of true 4G LTE or is it only AT&T HSPA+?
I'm rooted so I can make some manual tweaks if necessary. I noticed a throttle value in the settings.db. What should that value be for the best performance?
Thanks
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What you're getting is 4G HSPA+, I've only heard it be rumoured that the Thrill is capable of 4G LTE. Only in specific areas though.
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Here is mine
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What's that weather icon in the Status Bar?
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the weather icon is the the Wunderground app. i use it because it uses several weather station around my rural area to give me temps rather then interpolate from the bigger cities.

Look up the specs online for lg thrill. It only has an hspa+ radio in it. Think 24+ no LTE.
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I hit this on XBSAVR3D based on Rogers V30C. Using the V30C baseband I hit almost 9mb down and almost 2mb up! That being said we can't get 4G, and that pretty lil 4G icon they put on our V30B update looks cool but its just eye candy full of lies. ATT said the Thrill is a 4G phone incapable of 4G speeds Didn't think that one through to well did they. Such crap.:thumbdown:
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I'm upgrading to a HTC One. The thrill has lost its thrill.

The thrill is a 4G phone. Just not 4G LTE. It uses HSPA+ which is a sorta 4G. Its a lot faster then 3G but not as fast as LTE.
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I had one of the guys in my office run a Speed test on their newer phones hitting 12mb/sec with their LTE (spiked at 14mb). Honestly , i pay for 6Mbit at home. my phone is still faster.

LTE -117 to -120dbm

Has there ever been a radio update to change this a little higher on any other phone? Dropping to 3G from LTE is killer.. I usually leave my phone in CDMA only in my home town area but I went to a launched area this passed week where the roll out is in the 90% complete zone and it still drops from 4G to 3G a lot..
Just wondering if a radio update has ever fixed an issue like this on any other devices in the past.
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There have been radio updates on the past on other phones that helped but thus far not for the ONE yet
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Yup, I think we r over 80% here in austin Texas and it happens to me all day long. My bud just got his T-Mobile One and he hits 20-25 mbps no matter where and when he does a speed test. I could kick myself in the ass for staying with sprint.
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sand1303 said:
Yup, I think we r over 80% here in austin Texas and it happens to me all day long. My bud just got his T-Mobile One and he hits 20-25 mbps no matter where and when he does a speed test. I could kick myself in the ass for staying with sprint.
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Was thinking about getting the one but after my evo lte was having lte issues and the one seems to have the same I passed . The one is a beautiful phone but dropping lte all the time was a deal breaker .
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parmend said:
Was thinking about getting the one but after my evo lte was having lte issues and the one seems to have the same I passed . The one is a beautiful phone but dropping lte all the time was a deal breaker .
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I don't think the phone is the problem buddy. I think it's a network issue. So unless u are planning on actually leaving sprint it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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I don't think it's a phone issue but my Note II holds LTE like a champ but damn I don't want to lug that thing around anymore after having the One for this long.. dbm levels are the same on the Note it just doesn't drop to 3G until the -130 range where as the One drops it around -117dbm... I'm holding out on a possible radio update before I do anything drastic like going back to the Note II.
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sand1303 said:
I don't think the phone is the problem buddy. I think it's a network issue. So unless u are planning on actually leaving sprint it shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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If that's the case then my s4 would have those issues as well but it doesn't . not trying yo start a phone war but HTC or sprint need to get it right .
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It's network and phones that are the issue. First off, it shoildnt be that much of a problem to drop to 3g, as long as the data still works. Buut 3g is worthless usually with no throughput.
Then these HTC phones can't hold on (or wont) to lte for ****, for whatever reason. The iPhone 5, gs3, and 4 all held 4g, and when they dropped it, it quickly moved back up to 4g. This phone, on the other hand, will drop 4g, sit with NO data connection for a while, then connect to worthless 3g while still in a 4g blanketed area.
Then on the LTE topic...I've been waiting and waiting but this crap seems to get slower and slower as time passes. Plenty of times I will get less than 1mbps. Ive been waiting almost 2 years for them to get it together but it seems that it won't be happening. Back to tmobole (<10 mbps always) I go
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Well I keep telling myself I need to try a galaxy but the build of the HTC phones keep luring me in. Maybe with this phone being a more popular model because it is across different carriers unlike the Evo line the devs can find away to adjust the settings of the hardware. It is very annoying when my T-Mobile buddy constantly pulls 15-25 mbps on his speed tests and I look at mine and see 3g icon on top. I know there is lte out there we r 80% complete here
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Verizon 4g lte on Sprint!?

I know this doesn't sound possible hell I Dont believe it myself but I am in LittleRock Arkansas where Sprint has NO 4g, I'm up here at work bored so I flash the 1000 Verizon prl, I unlock my SIM card (don't think that mattered , I didn't put a SIM card in). I forced roaming on my phone and I about had a heart attack when the 4g showed in my notification bar!! I thought it may be wrong but I ran some speed test with and without it. The catch is I lost voice. How is this possible?
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When u get it again go to the 4g settings it should tell u some info
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Highly doubt it... Verizon is operating LTE on 700 mhz (the latest article I saw was that in 2015 they will plan to shift some EVDO to LTE on 1900). The Sprint HTC One only supports LTE on 1900.
Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.

The n.ispsn is something new also.
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Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.
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If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
4G Verizon Wireless 700 MHz, 1700/2100 MHz (Planned)
It is physically impossible for the Sprint HTC One to use Verizon LTE... The Sprint HTC One doesn't even have a radio chip for 700 mhz, let alone LTE on 800 mhz.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ummer-start-selling-aws-friendly-phones-soon/
Verizon currently operates its LTE network exclusively on Band 13 (in the 700MHz range), a band it controls nationwide.
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-device-support-aws-lte-approved-fcc/2013-01-03
Verizon has indicated it plans to use AWS spectrum to augment its existing LTE network, which runs on its 700 MHz spectrum.
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nsmartinez79 said:
If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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i have the same thing on my phone and my prl is 55015
you are connecting to sprint 4g

Come on man....yes ive tried it. I only get 3g when on Spring's PRL. It's also strange that I lost voice when forced roaming.
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Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))

insuusvenerati said:
Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))
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Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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nsmartinez79 said:
Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Can you link me to that PRL? I'll give it a shot. Sprint has no 4G here so it will be a good test.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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nsmartinez79 said:
I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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Force roaming causing 4G detection isn't anything new, actually. If you put the device into LTE mode only, it achieves something similar. The device would much rather stay on Sprint service if at all possible and will take a weak LTE signal if it can (even if it would normally prefer a nearby Sprint tower providing 3G coverage).
The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
Eliminate what's impossible (by hardware) and we have a series of at least possible alternatives.

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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Oh, *that* one. I used to use it all the time until it stopped giving me Verizon 3G. Now all I get with it is 1x. I would try it, but I'm running 4.3 now and don't want to nandroid back to a Sense ROM just to confirm that it's not working.

nsmartinez79 said:
Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Sprint 4G on initial release in an area or an a tower is very wonky. It's off and on, slow and only works at a short range. Just be patient and you will get it really soon. They just activated it in a couple areas where I live also. They tend to put them near Sprint Corp stores.

Rirere said:
The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
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It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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Why is it unbelievable that Sprint is bringing 4g to Arkansas... They HAVE TO do the NV update on every single tower that broadcasts Sprint Signal. It is cheap as dirt to just add the LTE hardware into the NV station once the NV upgrade is completed. This is a nation wide requirement since they are about to do some wonky ass things on the 1900 MHz PCS bands (when they start to reallocate their allowed bandwidth to different techs, it is an across the board FCC license).

I'm from Arkansas too and have been keeping up with the 4G there because that's where I travel to every chance I get. Jonesboro has sprint lte and it's been planned for little rock and Fayetteville to get it for months. It was only a matter of which day. I'm surprised it took them this long. But it was expected. I'm so happy to hear this wonderful news
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