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Has any been able to get 3G to work in the USA yet?
thank you,
jdm
I would say that it is imminent that the US version of the S730 will be released soon. AT&T or T-Mobile may pick it up (T-Mobile's 3G network in NYC just went live, but there are no phones). If so, I would suspect that some of these crafty folks (like Alcaline) would be able to extract the radio ROM, and make it available for the S730 that we all have (the european version).
But, here's the most important part... It all depends on whether or not the European version of the S730 has the radio chipsets that will support 3G on the frequencies that are 3G in the US. There is no known answer "available" to this, so it can only be discovered by testing.
The current S730 uses the 2100 band for 3G speeds and ATT is deploying 3g on 1900 and 850 I believe and they sell a decent ammount of 3g phones. T-Mobile is working on setting one up on the 1700/2100 band but I dont care for T-Mobile.
I have watched my phone at times flip into 3G mode for a few minutes then revert back to Edge, its trying but cant work properly without the right frequencies.
Check out the chipset datasheet. Bottom of page three explains the specific radio chipset combos and their support for different freqs.
I suppose, to save on manufacturing costs, they could have used the single chipset that supports 3G on all freqs (RTR 6285), but I believe this is unlikely due to the difference in model number that was submitted to the FCC (European version: WING220, US version: WING200).
Who knows though.
3G in US
Hermes models had different model #'s HERM100, HERM200 and had the same radios, in some cases minor difference such as case style, i.e removal of video calling camera etc. With any luck we have the RFR6500 + RTR6275 Combo, or as you mentioned the RTR6285 and just not a radio rom that allows 1900+850 3G. I was looking on the FCC site and they have some interesting screen shots, one of which shows one(s730) with what appears to be the front camera covered up and another which shows a radio rom(R 0.27.03.05B), one that, to do the tests would likely need to support 1900+850. Check Page 250 / 11 in the PDF. However, also in the test is the lack of any mention of 2100 Mhz test, which would suggest that either the US 3G Radio won't support 2100Mhz or that it indeed has different hardware that won't support 2100Mhz. At any rate it would be interesting to know if anyone has tried to flash one of the pre-prod roms for the wing 200 onto the wing220 and see if they are able to connect up to 1900+850 3G.
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=890469&native_or_pdf=pdf
I suppose only time will tell.
Wow... nice investigative work. Very interesting. I'll start hunting around for the ROM.
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Searched google and, my favorite, napalm with no luck. I wonder if we can lure an FCC testing engineer into the XDA-dev realm. muahahaha
I was searching some of the other posts, and it appears that most of the pre-prod radio rom testing had been focused on GPS functionality. Has anyone been able to throw on any of the pre-prod radios with an ATT SIM and tested to see if it can connect to WCDMA -> US Band (1900+850) ??
I have no possibility to check the 3G in the USA from my location in Norway.
But just to get this clear, because I have changed my Radio more often then most people change their underweare.
Is everybody able to select WCDMA and then US Band in the settings?
I dont know if this is selectable on all devices or if this is made available after my radio flahings.
I believe all S730's have the following options available.
Network Type:
Auto
GSM
WCDMA
Band Type:
Auto
US Band
Euro Band
Japan Band
For it to actually be able to operate on all of these frequencies I believe it would need to use the the RTR6285 chipset as the other 2 combos would not support all of the different frequencies combinations.
US Band -> GSM 850+1900 / UMTS 850+1900 (ATT)
Euro Band -> GSM 900+1800 / UMTS 2100
Japan Band -> UMTS 2100+800 (not positive on this one)
If I change band to from Auto -> WCDMA I do not get an error but no 3G Icon and all calls fail. If I then go and change to US Band while having WCDMA selected it indicates that it cannot change to that GSM/UMTS Band. Also interesting, If I stay on WCDMA and select Euro Band, no error, but of course all calls fail. I then tried to change to Japan Band, no error and no phone calls. Finally I am still on WCDMA and I switch to US Band and I get the error that indicates I cannot change to that band. So, I would be interested to know Alcaline if you see the same behavior on some of the other radios you have been trying to see they allow the switch to WCDMA / US Band combo.
Thanks
Can anyone else confirm this behavior on any of the other Radios out there?
Alcaline said:
I have no possibility to check the 3G in the USA from my location in Norway.
But just to get this clear, because I have changed my Radio more often then most people change their underweare.
Is everybody able to select WCDMA and then US Band in the settings?
I dont know if this is selectable on all devices or if this is made available after my radio flahings.
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I have the ability to tell my phone I am in the states, but it does nothing (default settings though)
Was the US version (WING200) of this phone ever released? Or has anyone gotten the EU version to work on any US 3G networks? Wondering about T-Mobile...
I bought my HTC Diamond on UK. I updated the ROM to the RUU_Diamond_HTC_HK_WWE_1.93.831.1 this was supposed to make my phone QuadBand. It does work in USA (Boston) where I live. But I have never seen my phone doing 3G and speed test top was around the 1xx kbps.
Any Ideas?
PS. I am on the ATT network
Are you sure you have 3G coverage in Boston? Do you have a USIM-card (which I was told to be required for UMTS stuff)?
3G speed
I did look at the ATT coverage map and it said that I do have coverage.
How do I know what type of SIM I have? The SIM does have the 3G logo on it.
Are you sure your phone has the bands?
Check the Band setting, Settings->Phone->Band,
in the dropdown box for "Select your GSM/UMTS band", my US 3G ATT phone shows the following options:
Auto
UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900)
(oddly enough, the settings have to be on Auto for the phone to work..)
When I bought my diamond, I was curious about my sim too, so I took it into the ATT store and asked if it was the "latest 3G sim" and he said yes. Mine is half white (top) & half Blue (bottom), with a orange 3G fireball in the topright corner.
If yours matches all that, then take it to the ATT store and see if you get 3G in the store
Also..if you have doubts, I've had multiple Sales reps in the store tell me I can get a new Sim for free at any time, just need to ask.
3G
I do have that SIM half blue half white with the 3G fireball logo.
On my select network I have
Auto
GSM
WCDMA
on the GSM/UMTS band I have
Auto
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900)
UMTS(800+2100)
UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(1700)
rpassmore
What ROM do you have?
RUU_Diamond_HTC_Europe_1.93.401.2
RUU_Diamond_HTC_Europe_1.93.401.2
Does this ROM supports USA 3G????
Sorry for my English
You have the European version and have only HSDPA 2100 / 900 (3G) and probably ATT works in HSDPA 850 / 1900, if this is the problem, sorry 3G is impossible for you, because is a hard problem, not a soft problem, search in this web there are many post about this. The European is quad band in GSM but not in HSDPA (3G)
CArlos
How about if I use another ROM
If I use another ROM ? would I be able to do 3G?
No I think it's impossible since it's different hardware I believe.
I think the one you have from UK, it only contained HSPA 2100 and US /Canada is using HSPA 850/1900, that's why you don't have the 3G signal.
Quad band only for voice and EDGE.
cmilian said:
rpassmore
What ROM do you have?
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I'm using the stock rom/radio for the Unlocked US 3G.
1.93.422.4 WWE
1.00.25.08
But I missed the fact that you're using a European Diamond. sorry.
is there any conection betwen 3G and front camera....
i think i have an Eropean model from UK Vodafon which has the front camera... but i am not sure about 3G !
????
I hope someone can help me or at least point me in the right direction.
Im in the Philippines and my g1 is unlocked/rooted with the latest cyanogen rom 4.2.6.
The network im connecting to is smart communications with according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_network_code has:
515 03 Smart Gold Smart Communications Inc Operational GSM 900 / 1800; UMTS 850 / 2100
our phones have Modes GSM 850 / GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900
WCDMA 1700 / WCDMA 2100
So i should be getting a 3g signal or something but im not, my phone is not even making an attempt to connect to 3g. I have checked the settings and i cant find where to enable 3g. Use only 2g network is not checked. my apn settings seems to be correct but its not even getting to the point where it tries to connect to 3g. I have no 3g symble or edge symbol. please help..
help someone pls
Hello experts,
Would you please tell me if I need a new modem (currently on T849UVJJB, assuming that's stock modem), or do I just need to carrier unlock my tmobile branded galaxy tab in order for me use pre-paid sim from other countries such as Hong Kong or Taiwan.
I have already rooted my galaxy tab and installed Overcome 3.0.0 on it. I am interested in voice + data, but all these different radios and talks of voice calling is disabled on the tmobile server's side (thus only network unlock is required to get voice +data) had me confused.
Greatly appreciate it if someone can clear it up, thanks.
To use any sim besides t-mobile, you need to unlock.
You will need to root your tab, then unlock it.
Since there is no compatable network in China the best you can get is voice and EDGE data.
Use a froyo modem.
Thanks rangercaptain for your reply.
As I mentioned I have overcome rom installed, thus I am already rooted. I also installed from the market galaxy_s_unlock, and it seems to be working (although I won't be able to find out until later when I travel.)
you mentioned it will only do EDGE, which I am dumbfounded:
-most Asia (including China) and Europe support UMTS 2100, known as Band I
-Tmobile galaxy tab spec page listed it supported both UMTS 2100 (Band I) and UMTS 1700 (AWS)
I am traveling soon so I guess I will report back. But if there is any actual report from users that would say one way or the other it would be awesome.
Thanks.
The word "and" is the key. The t-mobile tab has to have 1700 and 2100 bands to have 3g/H. Outside of US t-mobile service area, the 2100 band is available, but no 1700 band.
Go prepared for EDGE and be pleasantly surprised if you get 3g. It has worked out in a few places.
well, I am at Hong Kong right now, and here's what I found:
I am using hutchison 3G, JPE modem.
Yes I get voice. Data: GPRS works, EDGE works (though most of the time is G)
But whenever the icon indicate 3G (even with 4 bar) I get no data, at all.
Here the head scratcher: When 3G swtich over to the letter H, if it is above 3 bar I can get data! But I thought 3G and HSPA is on the same frequnecy and if it works for H it should work for 3G also.
That's because the bands for 2100 match, and the US 1700 band and the overseas 1900 band have a small overlap, so you occasionally hit the sweet spot.
My wife bought an international version of the HTC One, and I'm unable to get the LTE to work. The most it will do is bounce between 3G and H+ on AT&T's network. I've been to the AT&T store to have a new sim card put in it, and that actually knocked the phone down to 2G speed or less, and I've only just managed to get the H+ to come back.
The phone model is 801n and shows to have LTE as an option.
LTE is available in my area and at great strength on my OneX+.
Let me know if there's any other info you may need to know.
Go to phone, enter *#*#4636#*#*
Go to phone options, and there is a dropdown menu. The option you want is "GSM/WCDMA/LTE (auto)"
If that option isn't available, you may need to do some work converting it to a US version (like the Developer Edition, or Google Play edition).
Out of curiosity, go to settings>about and post what your software number is.
You can also log into your AT&T account and look at the data plan you're on. It should say LTE. If not, they haven't properly provisioned it.
EsJayEs said:
Go to phone, enter *#*#4636#*#*
Go to phone options, and there is a dropdown menu. The option you want is "GSM/WCDMA/LTE (auto)"
If that option isn't available, you may need to do some work converting it to a US version (like the Developer Edition, or Google Play edition).
Out of curiosity, go to settings>about and post what your software number is.
You can also log into your AT&T account and look at the data plan you're on. It should say LTE. If not, they haven't properly provisioned it.
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Software version is still 4.2.2 and Sense 5.0.... she bought the phone off someone who moved to the US from the UK, and we haven't checked for an OTA software update yet... mainly because my wife finds it impossible to charge the phone and it's completely drained at the moment.
I guess the simplest answer was the right one... Even though I told them repeatedly while in the AT&T store to activate LTE data on the line, checking my account online show's they did not. I suppose I'll call and sit on hold for a few hours tomorrow to get things straightened out.
Hopefully it will work fine by tomorrow evening.
After spending 2 and a half hours on the phone with AT&T account and tech support, the problem seems to be that their system will not recognize the phone as being capable of connecting to their network.... that is to say, based off the IMEI number, their system doesn't even seem to recognize what the phone even is, nor whether or not it is capable of more than 3G or HSDPA speeds.
The tech support guy tried to force the LTE on to the data plan, and he said their system wouldn't put the LTE on the plan because the phone wasn't compatible.... since the system goes off the IMEI number, he didn't think converting to an AT&T or other versions would help, because their system still wouldn't add on the LTE access...... since I assume the IMEI doesn't change with the rom, correct?
I guess it's no wonder the guy was selling the phone so cheap.
On the bright side, the OTA updates came across tonight. Jelly-Bean and Sense 5.5 are alive and kicking.
If anyone has any other ideas, I'm still looking for solutions.
I struggle to believe in all that time nobody figured out your phone is incompatible with the network.
The AT&T version of the phone exists to connect to the AT&T network, which is not the same as what the international version supports.
BenPope said:
I struggle to believe in all that time nobody figured out your phone is incompatible with the network.
The AT&T version of the phone exists to connect to the AT&T network, which is not the same as what the international version supports.
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The hardware for the international version and the AT&T version appear to be the same.. according the phone specifications, it should be able to connect.
As far as the length of time I was on the phone with them, I went through one account specialist and one tech support specialist.. both kept wanting to try something else. And then there were a few software updates during that time period, and numerous "try rebooting the phone again" and "let me put you on hold for a few minutes."
Frequencies for each market are different. They don't want to include all frequencies because the CPU vendor qualcomm charges per frequency. There in no point to include frequencies that are not going to be used by most people of each market.
0o0CiViC0o0 said:
The hardware for the international version and the AT&T version appear to be the same.. according the phone specifications, it should be able to connect.
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Where are you checking the specs?
AT&T network supports 1700MHz AWS and perhaps 700MHz.
International One (EMEA) is 800, 1800, 2600MHz.
Do you have another AT&T LTE phone or a friend with one? If so, swap the SIM, activate an LTE data plan on the line, verify working, then put the SIM back in the One and see if the change sticks.
That's what I would try anyway. Also, when you enter *#*#4636#*#* on the phone and go to phone info, what option is set under "Set preferred network type"?
Another thing to check is your APN settings. For that, go to settings>mobile data. The Network mode should be set to "GSM / WCDMA / LTE auto" in there. Next, click on "Access point names". Hit the menu button, and select "New APN". Here's the settings to enter:
Name: ATT Phone
APN: phone
Proxy:
Port:
Username:
Password:
Server:
MMSC: http://mmsc.mobile.att.net
MMS Proxy: proxy.mobile.att.net
MMS Port: 80
MMS Protocol: WAP 2.0
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
Authentication type:
APN type: default,admin,fota,mms,supl,hipri
Those are the settings in my HTC One Developer Edition on the AT&T network. Now it is possible that that the LTE frequency for us is not enabled on that phone. I haven't used the international software on my HTC One.
Seems to me this issue should have a somewhat simple resolution. But I'm no expert. It is possible to convert it to an AT&T or Developer Edition (which was designed to work on AT&T networks) by going S-Off, changing the model ID (MID) and customer ID (CID), and flashing the desired software (RUU file). The big difference between the Dev and AT&T versions are having the AT&T sh*tware pre-installed or not.
As posted earlier, the hardware inside is the same.
BenPope said:
Where are you checking the specs?
AT&T network supports 1700MHz AWS and perhaps 700MHz.
International One (EMEA) is 800, 1800, 2600MHz.
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A quick google search for HTC One 801n brings up many sites with the specs. I'm too new a member to post any links, apparently.
Here are the frequencies the phone is capable of though.
Network
2G: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
3G: UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
4G: LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
EsJayEs said:
Do you have another AT&T LTE phone or a friend with one? If so, swap the SIM, activate an LTE data plan on the line, verify working, then put the SIM back in the One and see if the change sticks.
That's what I would try anyway. Also, when you enter *#*#4636#*#* on the phone and go to phone info, what option is set under "Set preferred network type"?
Another thing to check is your APN settings. For that, go to settings>mobile data. The Network mode should be set to "GSM / WCDMA / LTE auto" in there. Next, click on "Access point names". Hit the menu button, and select "New APN". Here's the settings to enter
Those are the settings in my HTC One Developer Edition on the AT&T network. Now it is possible that that the LTE frequency for us is not enabled on that phone. I haven't used the international software on my HTC One.
Seems to me this issue should have a somewhat simple resolution. But I'm no expert. It is possible to convert it to an AT&T or Developer Edition (which was designed to work on AT&T networks) by going S-Off, changing the model ID (MID) and customer ID (CID), and flashing the desired software (RUU file). The big difference between the Dev and AT&T versions are having the AT&T sh*tware pre-installed or not.
As posted earlier, the hardware inside is the same.
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Wife and her phone are out of town until tomorrow.... if I can pry it from her hands when she gets back, I'll slide my sim card in and see if anything happens. Otherwise, I'll check the settings you posted and see if anything needs to be changed and if that has an affect on service.
0o0CiViC0o0 said:
I'll slide my sim card in and see if anything happens.
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Reverse that. Put her SIM in your phone (assuming you have an LTE device), then see what's what.
0o0CiViC0o0 said:
A quick google search for HTC One 801n brings up many sites with the specs. I'm too new a member to post any links, apparently.
Here are the frequencies the phone is capable of though.
Network
2G: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz
3G: UMTS 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
4G: LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 MHz
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It can't really be said what frequencies the 801n supports, because there are multiple versions of 801n. What's the MID we're talking about?