With locked bootloaders on Motorola/Verizon devices, what implications does this have for customers/xda-community?
Thinking about switching to Verizon and getting a Motorola phone but I'm not sure what having a locked bootloader really means and what implications it has for us.
Does this prevent custom rom development? Can it eventually be easily unlocked?
It essentially limits how much a rom can be customized and prevents the use of custom kernals. In general, it does restrict development for the device.
If the bootloader does get unlocked somehow, there will probably be an easy way for the end user to do it.... the problem is getting it unlocked in the first place. It's not impossible, but it definitely is not an easy task.
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It essentially limits how much a rom can be customized and prevents the use of custom kernals. In general, it does restrict development for the device.
If the bootloader does get unlocked somehow, there will probably be an easy way for the end user to do it.... the problem is getting it unlocked in the first place. It's not impossible, but it definitely is not an easy task.
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Got it.
So have you guys been able to get the bootloader on Bionic unlocked?
I'm really thinking about switching to Verizon, and Bionic & Razr were two phones I was looking at, but the locked bootloader has me a little worried.
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Got it.
So have you guys been able to get the bootloader on Bionic unlocked?
I'm really thinking about switching to Verizon, and Bionic & Razr were two phones I was looking at, but the locked bootloader has me a little worried.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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Thanks. I just wish that 4gb promotion would still be around when the Galaxy Nexus comes around. I'm considering that phone also, but I don't like that it doesn't have a microsd slot.
If verizon doesn't support voice and data at the same time, does that mean you can't use Google Navigation in your car at the same time while talking on the phone? That might be a reason I don't switch to Verizon. I like having navigation running on the screen while I'm on the phone.
An unlocked bootloader is nice but not necessary. I went from a Droid X (locked bootloader) to a thunderbolt (better specs and an unlocked bootloader) and my X was just as fast with better battery life. Now I have a bionic and its great, the only issue for me is the screen.
I've found phones with unlocked boot loaders seem to stand a test of time, more Dev's work on them, and when more dev's work on them, the higher value (IMHO)... My D1 was/is awesome, the only reason I upgraded was for the 4G finally coming to VA.
The Nexus is DEFINITELY going to be the next big thing, zero doubt in my mind. Hell, its not even out and its already been rooted. Samsung products (although cheap feeling) are always pretty open.
what about data and talk at the same time on verizon?
My other concern is about the Verizon network itself.
Using Google Navigation/maps requires constant data stream for the directions and map tiles, re-routing, etc.
If Verizon doesn't have voice/data at the same time, does that mean if you are in your car talking on bluetooth, google nav won't run correctly in the background because of no data network access?
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My other concern is about the Verizon network itself.
Using Google Navigation/maps requires constant data stream for the directions and map tiles, re-routing, etc.
If Verizon doesn't have voice/data at the same time, does that mean if you are in your car talking on bluetooth, google nav won't run correctly in the background because of no data network access?
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If you are on 4G, data and calls work at the same time. I think the thunderbolt is the only phone to have the dual 3G radios allowing it to do both on 3G, but then again I have not tried with my bionic. I am always in a 4G area.
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If you are on 4G, data and calls work at the same time. I think the thunderbolt is the only phone to have the dual 3G radios allowing it to do both on 3G, but then again I have not tried with my bionic. I am always in a 4G area.
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Oh really...on Verizon 4G LTE you can have voice and data at the same time? I didn't know! Great!
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Thanks. I just wish that 4gb promotion would still be around when the Galaxy Nexus comes around. I'm considering that phone also, but I don't like that it doesn't have a microsd slot.
If verizon doesn't support voice and data at the same time, does that mean you can't use Google Navigation in your car at the same time while talking on the phone? That might be a reason I don't switch to Verizon. I like having navigation running on the screen while I'm on the phone.
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confused...bionic.. On vzw obviously... I can talk and use data all day? What you Talkin about willis!!
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What he's talking about is Simultaneous Voice Data Optimized or SVDO for short. SVDO is the ability to do voice and data at the same time. This is not a problem for a Verizon 4G phone as long as you're on a 4G network. The game changes if you're on a Verizon 3G network though. To my knowledge the HTC Thunderbolt is the only Verzion phone that can do SVDO on the 3G network. This feat takes a special antenna and radio setup that is unique to the Thunderbolt.
You may recall many of the AT&T commercials that boasted the AT&T iPhone was the only iPhone where you could talk and browse the web at the same time. They were able to say that because the Verizon iPhone was not capable of SVDO over 3G.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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Will miui come to this phone
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Actually, in a 3G scenario, once you start the navigator you can talk all you want and still navigate. The only time it needs to pull data is if you miss a turn and need to re-route.
Personally I want to see CM9 on the Bionic asap. While I (sadly) prefer the "Motorola Enhancements" to stock Gingerbread, I think I will prefer stock Ice Cream Sandwich from the looks of it.
Hopefully we see it sooner as opposed to later.
Just wait for the Galaxy Nexus
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I would wait, being unlocked diff. limits the device, biggest thing personally is the ability to overclock the device, I speed this thing would diff fly as dual core and has the potential but with no unlocked bootloader to run custom kernel it sucks
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Sprint's changing their pricing in April, so I'm jumping bandwagon to Verizon. Hopefully I wont have to wait long after I cancel with them to get a Bionic.
Anyways, something that's been haunting my curiosity is, will the 4G LTE be a switch on the phone, or will it automatically switch to 4G when it's available?
Thanks in advance,
Overstew
P.S. If you have a source, that'd be nice, too.
It's gonna kick onto 4g where ever you get the coverage. No button pushing or switches.
And you'll probably pay extra for 4G even if you can't get it in your area. Nothing like the crappy cell carriers forcing you to pay for something you can't even use.
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i would love to come over to verizon if sprint buys out tmo and tmo waives the ETF
i dont understand why the thunderbolt is getting so much more notice than the bionic... they're both set to release within a couple months of each other, but tbolt has piss poor specs, 1300mahz battery? really?
what's so bad about motorola that folks rather get a phone that's outdated spec wise?
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i would love to come over to verizon if sprint buys out tmo and tmo waives the ETF
i dont understand why the thunderbolt is getting so much more notice than the bionic... they're both set to release within a couple months of each other, but tbolt has piss poor specs, 1300mahz battery? really?
what's so bad about motorola that folks rather get a phone that's outdated spec wise?
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HTC is know for their generally hackable devices...Motorola has been heading in the opposite direction, and it is very possible that even though the Xoom was unlocked they may decide to lock the Bionic.
I am seriously considering a Xoom...but I am waiting and if someone can root and flash the Bionic then I will possibily get one, but unless this tech material fiasco taking place gets worse I expect something better to be releasing about the same time as the Bionic.
Something yet unannounced maybe who knows, but it would have to outspec the Bionic... > and the way this game is played, there is always something just a little better just around the corner.
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Does anyone here have or know someone who has the Thunderbolt? If so, what does the contract say about Verizon being able to to adjust your monthly rate? Or is it locked in?
Thanks
I traded in my Atrix for the thunderbolt.
I am on a family plan and the cost of the plan is the same as it was for my Dinc.
Unlimited data (soft capped still) and no special fees for 4g.
My other line has an upgrade in april i am saving for the Bionic. It will be locked down like the atrix - but the atrix is by far still the best phone i have ever used - just at&t network is atrocioius!
yes... well it took a little extra effort to unlock the tbolt... just as with the droidX I would guess the bionic will also get unlocked and rooted.. as for the OP I have not seen anything on the 4g modem for the bionic but I owned the tbolt and it does all the switching for you... infact that may have been the problem with the battery life...
I think there is at least two apps that allow you to manually turn on/off the lte modem though.
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I traded in my Atrix for the thunderbolt.
I am on a family plan and the cost of the plan is the same as it was for my Dinc.
Unlimited data (soft capped still) and no special fees for 4g.
My other line has an upgrade in april i am saving for the Bionic. It will be locked down like the atrix - but the atrix is by far still the best phone i have ever used - just at&t network is atrocioius!
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...but i heard that the "no special fees 4G" is for a limited time...is this true?
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i would love to come over to verizon if sprint buys out tmo and tmo waives the ETF
i dont understand why the thunderbolt is getting so much more notice than the bionic... they're both set to release within a couple months of each other, but tbolt has piss poor specs, 1300mahz battery? really?
what's so bad about motorola that folks rather get a phone that's outdated spec wise?
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i'm sure this has been answered already in this thread but whats so bad about moto is the locked bootloaders. While that may be a non issue for the masses its a huge issue on XDA. let's not forget the masses take their queue from us!
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Anyone done this? There seems to be some gray area on data services. I don't mind flashing a new rom to obtain 4G, which ive read one person has done.
Anyone accomplished this move?
Yes a lot of us have done this... Im running stock tmobile ics wth blaze modem.. Om my att note
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Yep, running Jedi with Blaze modem.
Chicks dig it. T-mobile on my AT&T branded note.
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Hi. As long as you have the correct modem to pull in 3g/4g you can run any rom- tmobile or att. I have the modem UVLG3modemfori717_gt-n7005amss. Works just as good as Blaze for me.
Ran Jedi and was very happy with it. Now am running Jedi-sons of android(att by ptmr3) 4.2.2
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Hi. As long as you have the correct modem to pull in 3g/4g you can run any rom- tmobile or att. I have the modem UVLG3modemfori717_gt-n7005amss. Works just as good as Blaze for me.
Ran Jedi and was very happy with it. Now am running Jedi-sons of android(att by ptmr3) 4.2.2
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I woud LOVE to run an At&t JB rom. But i need wifi calling at my house since T-Mo has no towers close by. Wish someone could/would figure out how to get WiFi calling on that rom.
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I woud LOVE to run an At&t JB rom. But i need wifi calling at my house since T-Mo has no towers close by. Wish someone could/would figure out how to get WiFi calling on that rom.
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that's the main reason I stick with stock rom [mine sgh-t879], rooted, and way debloated.
fabulous device really. 2 days of batt life [i turn it off when I sleep], lean, mean, fast, beautiful.
I use wifi exclusively in home home-office and every other place I get a chance, which as everyone knows is an increasingly long list.
the only 'bug' I have at the moment is something sporadically defeating NoLED which I use for notifications, and that Noozozide [a fabulous app] doesn't like something in there... probably the google play player. haven't had time to sort that yet.
I was reading that the tmo wifi app was figured out to work on another android phone(can't remember what one)- they altered the build prop and hacked the apk. Too bad no one is interested in doing this for the ATT note There are so few ATT Notes running on tmobile. Once they are out of contract- another year or so, and they will be moving on to newer phones. Jedi4 worked for me as far as wifi calling- but I have no need at present for the wifi calling feature, but it is great when you need it!
I was looking into the new tmo uncarrier plans and thinking about getting the iphone5 to add to my android collection- but no wifi calling for it. At least not initially, and they are being coy about future plans for it. If I am gonna get a new tmobile phone it should have wifi calling. Am going to europe in the fall and it will come in handy!
I love my note- really do, but there are times I would love a smaller phone to slip into my pocket and go. The Note is huge- at times a great thing, at times a not so great thing. New Iphone will rescue my itunes and make music an easier managed thing on the computer. Doubletwist and air sync just isn't the same. Might have to get my apple hacking tools sharpened!
the sgh-t879 is just fabulous and a bit of a bargain, though the i717 is typically a tad less in pristine condition.
As far as I know samsung T-mo variants have the Wifi calling very solid but I don't know what to expect going international - you obviously need a world phone multi-band.
we have the SII, the "S 4G" and the Note - all deliver the beans well on wifi. The Blaze does also and is the better choice vs. the S 4G, as we've found out.
I understand what you mean about smaller size - you may have to go Nexus but I despise the fixed battery [the life is not great...do not let anyone fool you] and lack of removable storage. if you want to go cheap, get the LG optimus L9... its a great phone to use just out of the box debloated: wifi is excellent. the knock is there's not many hacks for it since LG made it difficult. those can be had for 250 bucks and sold for nearly the same as it gets terrific user reviews. around here [austin tx, san antonio etc] some steals come around on craigslist ... people get those with a contract upgrade for free, then sell on c'list to go buy a note or some other thing. have seen new ones for $175
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I was reading that the tmo wifi app was figured out to work on another android phone(can't remember what one)- they altered the build prop and hacked the apk. Too bad no one is interested in doing this for the ATT note There are so few ATT Notes running on tmobile. Once they are out of contract- another year or so, and they will be moving on to newer phones. Jedi4 worked for me as far as wifi calling- but I have no need at present for the wifi calling feature, but it is great when you need it!
I was looking into the new tmo uncarrier plans and thinking about getting the iphone5 to add to my android collection- but no wifi calling for it. At least not initially, and they are being coy about future plans for it. If I am gonna get a new tmobile phone it should have wifi calling. Am going to europe in the fall and it will come in handy!
I love my note- really do, but there are times I would love a smaller phone to slip into my pocket and go. The Note is huge- at times a great thing, at times a not so great thing. New Iphone will rescue my itunes and make music an easier managed thing on the computer. Doubletwist and air sync just isn't the same. Might have to get my apple hacking tools sharpened!
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I just wanted to chime in for a moment. I acquired a att note from eBay a couple of weeks ago and I am running the jedi 4 ROM and WIFI calling is great with no hiccups. It's fast and beautiful. Now mind you I am coming from a gs2 before the jellybean upgrade. In fact the second day my wife had the gs2 was when the update was pushed out. Moving on since I am rambling, i love my note it fits right in with my nexus 7. The only thing I wish was that jellybean was out officially I require WiFi calling......
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Hi just wanted to chime in. If T-Mobile has LTE in your area, you can access it by using the stock AT&T Rom and Modem. Just root it and Debloat it. Here's some of the speeds I've been able to get. The only thing, When I'm sitting at my desk at work, I have to switch to a different modem to pick up 3G and HSPA+ (21.6 Mb/S) I will say every test that I did using the stock AT&T modem was higher than any other modem I used.
Everyone seems to be talking about wifi calling.. how well does normal calling work? how is the signal over all? is it worth it to get an AT&T version and try to use the blaze modems instead of getting the T-Mobile version?
Just use jedi leader ics 4.0.4 it has wifi calling and stable...for tmobile version...
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hey guys, i got my wife an ATT Note for Tmo. All i did was unlock it put in her Tmo sim and that was it. No root, or rom, or any different radio flashing. She only gets 4g no LTE though. Is there a way to get LTE??
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hey guys, i got my wife an ATT Note for Tmo. All i did was unlock it put in her Tmo sim and that was it. No root, or rom, or any different radio flashing. She only gets 4g no LTE though. Is there a way to get LTE??
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are you using the t-mobile lte apn setting? fast.t-mobile.com
I'm using Motorola Moto X with Verizon Wireless (XT1060) (on unlimited data plan) and Android KitKat 4.4.
I'm having some _MAJOR_ issues with battery( and bluetooth as well. The only reason I didn't update my phone yet is I _REALLY_ need to have WiFi tethering and as far as I understand I cannot update my phone to even 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 as I'll lose root and therefor wifi tethering.
I will definitely try to wait for Dan Rosenberg and/or Justin Case, however as of now as far as I know it's not certain if/when an usable exploit/tool would be released to public, so it's a long shot(
my question is with recent Obama signing bill about "unlocking" cell phones, could that be another way or is it something completely different?
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I'm using Motorola Moto X with Verizon Wireless (XT1060) (on unlimited data plan) and Android KitKat 4.4.
I'm having some _MAJOR_ issues with battery( and bluetooth as well. The only reason I didn't update my phone yet is I _REALLY_ need to have WiFi tethering and as far as I understand I cannot update my phone to even 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 as I'll lose root and therefor wifi tethering.
I will definitely try to wait for Dan Rosenberg and/or Justin Case, however as of now as far as I know it's not certain if/when an usable exploit/tool would be released to public, so it's a long shot(
my question is with recent Obama signing bill about "unlocking" cell phones, could that be another way or is it something completely different?
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This has nothing to do with bootloader unlocking. This is in regards to SIM unlocking, which allows you to take your device to another carrier.
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This has nothing to do with bootloader unlocking. This is in regards to SIM unlocking, which allows you to take your device to another carrier.
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ah, ok.. sorry for stupid question.. i took my phone abroad and it was working, i didn't had to unlock sim or anything like that...
You can take the 4.4.2 OTA and still root with PieTowelRoot, I have a moto x on 4.4.2 right now rooted with it and using the entitlement hack by kryptonite, the set up works nice.
Get a developer edition
For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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You can take the 4.4.2 OTA and still root with PieTowelRoot, I have a moto x on 4.4.2 right now rooted with it and using the entitlement hack by kryptonite, the set up works nice.
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the downside for that is i'll lose write protection to /system.
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Get a developer edition
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as much as i like to do that, i don't think there is a point to do that right now, especially as in less than a month new version coming out...
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For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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i can use it too, just gotta pay for it and just person next to me i don't wanna) especially 'cause i have unlimited data plan))
i dont have any issues with my batt and im on 4.4 rooted with slap.. I keep the brightness down to a minimum location battery saving mode and I get 3 or 4 hours surfing constantly lot longer than that if I'm just using it periodically. I also have another Moto X its on 4.4.2 rootrd with topie using entitlement hack and I don't see any difference at all in the battery.. or anything else. I'm on the grandfathered unlimited data plan also so I need the hot spot it powers my home internet Netflix everything. you won't lose write if you go to 4.4.2 when rooted with towel pie you can write but your changes are lost if you reboot
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i dont have any issues with my batt and im on 4.4 rooted with slap.. I keep the brightness down to a minimum location battery saving mode and I get 3 or 4 hours surfing constantly lot longer than that if I'm just using it periodically. I also have another Moto X its on 4.4.2 rootrd with topie using entitlement hack and I don't see any difference at all in the battery.. or anything else. I'm on the grandfathered unlimited data plan also so I need the hot spot it powers my home internet Netflix everything. you won't lose write if you go to 4.4.2 when rooted with towel pie you can write but your changes are lost if you reboot
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I don't even get 2 hours of screen time(( I guess its also depends on apps you have installed and usage, before i took OTA update from 4.2.2 I was getting _MUCH_ greater screen time for sure, so I was thinking since there are bugs in 4.4, updating to anything higher would (re)solve at least some of them, but going that route has its own pros and cons.
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I don't even get 2 hours of screen time(( I guess its also depends on apps you have installed and usage, before i took OTA update from 4.2.2 I was getting _MUCH_ greater screen time for sure, so I was thinking since there are bugs in 4.4, updating to anything higher would (re)solve at least some of them, but going that route has its own pros and cons.
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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Good point!
Yeah, There is actually a 4.4.4 safestrap-compatible ROM "Krypton" in the Development sub-forum.
EDIT @KidJoe : I sent you a PM regarding the post below this one...
a1exus said:
...i took my phone abroad and it was working, i didn't had to unlock sim or anything like that...
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Verizon LTE phones are sim UNlocked out of the box, and considered "global" due to quadband GSM support, and some HSPA support.
superp32 said:
For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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Verizon users on a TIERED data plan can tether without hacks or anything. I just eats from their tiered data bucket.
Those still on the old Unlimited data plans have to pay for tethering or hack their phone. Hence rooting being required.
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EDIT @KidJoe : I sent you a PM regarding the post below this one...
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Fixed. Thanks!!
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Verizon LTE phones are sim UNlocked out of the box, and considered "global" due to quadband GSM support, and some HSPA support.
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Since I have a Moto X and Droid Ultra I could pop in a Cricket or Net10 sim and be good to go? Every time I tried to search about only thing I can find is sites to pay for a SIM unlock code.
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Since I have a Moto X and Droid Ultra I could pop in a Cricket or Net10 sim and be good to go? Every time I tried to search about only thing I can find is sites to pay for a SIM unlock code.
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Depends on whose towers Cricket and Net10 use. If they use GSM (like use T-Mobile's towers), then yes.
I can stick my T-Mobile USA sim (my work line used for GS3 and iPhone), into my personal Verizon X since I got it. Some of the firmwares work better than others, some I needed to manually enter APN settings, some I get "SIM is from unknown provider" etc.
With 4.4.4. its been the best and most compatible to date. I haven't had to enter T-Mobile's APN settings on my VZW X, and voice, sms, mms and data work, including HSPA+ and LTE. There is a slight lag of switching from H/H+ to LTE (like after I hang up a phone call), but that is about it.
Keep in mind, the VZW X supports LTE bands 4 and 13. T-Mobile uses 4 and I'm not sure if they use any other bands for LTE.
For HSPA/HSPA+ on T-Mobile, you need to be in areas where T-Mobile has re-farmed their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+
Now, if you use ATT... EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+ will be fine, but LTE will likely not work as ATT uses different bands.
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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as much as I'd like to use that, I really would like to stay on stock rom, and that dev made some customization to rom that i'm not too crazy about it, i really wish there was a rom without any of that customization.. maybe its just me and everyone else wants to have all that customization in
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Depends on whose towers Cricket and Net10 use. If they use GSM (like use T-Mobile's towers), then yes.
I can stick my T-Mobile USA sim (my work line used for GS3 and iPhone), into my personal Verizon X since I got it. Some of the firmwares work better than others, some I needed to manually enter APN settings, some I get "SIM is from unknown provider" etc.
With 4.4.4. its been the best and most compatible to date. I haven't had to enter T-Mobile's APN settings on my VZW X, and voice, sms, mms and data work, including HSPA+ and LTE. There is a slight lag of switching from H/H+ to LTE (like after I hang up a phone call), but that is about it.
Keep in mind, the VZW X supports LTE bands 4 and 13. T-Mobile uses 4 and I'm not sure if they use any other bands for LTE.
For HSPA/HSPA+ on T-Mobile, you need to be in areas where T-Mobile has re-farmed their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+
Now, if you use ATT... EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+ will be fine, but LTE will likely not work as ATT uses different bands.
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I'll be using ATT. If T-Mobile was where I live I'd be all over it. I made up my mind to leave Verizon and I just want to get going. I'm going to try and do the activate, port, and generate new Verizon number thing. I don't want to buy new GSM phones yet. Going to hold out until the new Moto X is released or Moto Maxx. Or Motorola Nexus to buy new phones. My wife won't give up her Droid Ultra at all. The Active Display has her hooked. So I have to wait to see what is coming in September.
I have an old Thundebolt and RAZR HD to activate on my verizon lines right now.
If I pull this off I'll have two unlimited data lines up for exchange for some expresidents
Thank you.
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as much as I'd like to use that, I really would like to stay on stock rom, and that dev made some customization to rom that i'm not too crazy about it, i really wish there was a rom without any of that customization.. maybe its just me and everyone else wants to have all that customization in
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I'll admit these are buried deep, and I don't even think there's one for 4.4.3.
These should be fully stock with the exception that they come rooted.
here's vzw stock 4.4.2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/116025-romsafestrap-unlockedxt1060-stock-rooted-vzw-164552-kitkat-442/
here's vzw stock 4.4.4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/rom-stock-rooted-vzw-212-55-26-t2829123
The LG G2 is basically a better Nexus 5. I've been looking at the Nexus 6 (and G3) and honestly the G2 is still pretty fast and does everything I need, plus it has unlocked bootloader exploit which is a huge plus.
The only question is, will we get a stable L rom? Will Verizon give us an update, and how long will it take CM/AOSP?
If Verizon actually gets the Nexus 6, I would seriously consider getting it. I still love my g2 though.
Thanks Devs, from my LG G2
Nope, not happening... 5.9" display is just too big. The G2 with a 5.2" is at about the max I can handle with one hand, and I use my phone almost exclusively one-handed. I actually passed on a OnePlus One because of size, going to the N6 is just too big.
I am hoping the playstore version has VOLTE support so we can avoid the Verizon branded Nexus. As long as the device supports VOLTE we can use it on the VZW network, thanks to the 700mhz specturm that VZW uses for its LTE. I'm sure Verizon will try to find some BS loophole to try to exploit to maintain their control. Back on topic... I definitely get the Nexus 6 as I am Nexus fanboy!
Moto is and has been known for their crappy cameras. Even the new Moto X is crappy especially considering that it is a late 2014 device. The Nexus line is and always has been known for using crappy cameras, even the Nexus 5 took a step back from the G2. Put the two together and I wont touch the Nexus 6.
I am considering going to the n5 to be honest the price will go down and if they release a 6 in phone I feel they will keep the n5 around for a bit.
Finally ready to ditch Verizon and move on to a company that will let me text and call from my house. I was thinking the droid turbo because moto apparently has the best radios but idk
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I am considering going to the n5 to be honest the price will go down and if they release a 6 in phone I feel they will keep the n5 around for a bit.
Finally ready to ditch Verizon and move on to a company that will let me text and call from my house. I was thinking the droid turbo because moto apparently has the best radios but idk
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Google has already stopped making the N5 I believe.
I am also considering the Droid Turbo, it has a huge battery + Moto radios, but they have locked bootloaders.
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I am hoping the playstore version has VOLTE support so we can avoid the Verizon branded Nexus. As long as the device supports VOLTE we can use it on the VZW network, thanks to the 700mhz specturm that VZW uses for its LTE. I'm sure Verizon will try to find some BS loophole to try to exploit to maintain their control. Back on topic... I definitely get the Nexus 6 as I am Nexus fanboy!
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I think they are locking it down via your account. Although I guess anyone could turn it on. For the LG G2 you needed an update and you had to go into your account to turn it on. Doesn't makes sense why you would have to do that, I think its just one more point of control maybe to exclude devices. Maybe that is the loophole in the 700 Mhz block rules.
Maybe they are requiring some kind of special software that the device manufacturer or google will have to implement to get it to work? I think they are going to do anything they can to exclude devices they don't approve.
I'm on Verizon now with a HTC one m7. I'm not upgrading but I will be buying a nexus 6 and switching from Verizon.
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Google has already stopped making the N5 I believe.
I am also considering the Droid Turbo, it has a huge battery + Moto radios, but they have locked bootloaders.
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I have had a few droid phones in the past and they apparently had locked bootloaders but devs usually find a way around it.
If Verizon gets the Nexus 6, it's very likely that it will be my next phone. I have a Nexus 7 (2013) and love it. I think with a Nexus 6, we could possibly get Multi-ROM, which would be amazing. I'd love the ability to test drive new ROMs without going through the whole backup/restore process. I think the only things I might miss would be knock-on (easily fixed with a custom kernel, of course) and the IR blaster. I actually do use it.
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I love the IR blaster and KnockOn. I'm not sure if the Nexus 6 will support the CDMA bands and such. Being limited to just VOLTE 700mhz is sucky. What about 3G and such?
5.9" is too big. I passed on the Note 3 for the G2 because I travel often for work and require being able to comfortably dial/text/email/facebook using one hand while I drive/eat/fiddle with the radio (lol).
I really love my G2 but I fear that all future next gen devices will be ~6.0"
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I love the IR blaster and KnockOn. I'm not sure if the Nexus 6 will support the CDMA bands and such. Being limited to just VOLTE 700mhz is sucky. What about 3G and such?
5.9" is too big. I passed on the Note 3 for the G2 because I travel often for work and require being able to comfortably dial/text/email/facebook using one hand while I drive/eat/fiddle with the radio (lol).
I really love my G2 but I fear that all future next gen devices will be ~6.0"
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I'm pretty sure the play edition N6 won't support CDMA unless Google has changed its stance on the matter. Either we will have Verizon release another "Nexus" device for us that officially will always be behind. Or we will just have to stick with the play edition N6 and anyone that doesn't have LTE in their area is SOL. But as of now Verizon's LTE footprint is supposidly just as large as the 3G/1x footprint so I would imagine there wouldn't be too many issues.
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I think they are locking it down via your account. Although I guess anyone could turn it on. For the LG G2 you needed an update and you had to go into your account to turn it on. Doesn't makes sense why you would have to do that, I think its just one more point of control maybe to exclude devices. Maybe that is the loophole in the 700 Mhz block rules.
Maybe they are requiring some kind of special software that the device manufacturer or google will have to implement to get it to work? I think they are going to do anything they can to exclude devices they don't approve.
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Once you active voice over LTE via the website that is all you have to do. Stock LG roms have the ability to switch voice over LTE on, not too sure if any CM/AOSP based have the ability to do so yet. You don't need the crappy Verizon software the advanced calling 1.0 or whatever to use voice over LTE. I'm pretty sure either it will be enabled by default in future devices as VOLTE becomes more popular.
I just hope it works with lte from metro pcs or other mvno carriers. I'm actually leaving Verizon for this phone.
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Once you active voice over LTE via the website that is all you have to do. Stock LG roms have the ability to switch voice over LTE on, not too sure if any CM/AOSP based have the ability to do so yet. You don't need the crappy Verizon software the advanced calling 1.0 or whatever to use voice over LTE. I'm pretty sure either it will be enabled by default in future devices as VOLTE becomes more popular.
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Cool, which ones? I has on a LG G3 ROM on my G2 but went back to a Verizon Stock -based one to get VoLTE. I would love to go back to the G3 ROM if I was still able to have VoLTE.
I'm not sure if G3 ROMs have it or not. I know xdabbeb's ROM has it and the stock Verizon 25B and 26A have it.
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I'm not sure if G3 ROMs have it or not. I know xdabbeb's ROM has it and the stock Verizon 25B and 26A have it.
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Yes those are Verizon stock ROMs. Not just a LG G2 stock ROM. Verizon had to push a software update to enable VoLTE. They controlled the feature.
I'm pretty sure any ROM can eventually have the option to enable VoLTE. Once activated on the site we very well could be accessing VoLTE without being on Verizon software. I haven't seen much clarification on this, eventually someone will chime in.
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I'm pretty sure any ROM can eventually have the option to enable VoLTE. Once activated on the site we very well could be accessing VoLTE without being on Verizon software. I haven't seen much clarification on this, eventually someone will chime in.
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All I was saying is that right now Verizon holds the keys to the VoLTE kingdom as I see it. They require a change on your account, which I assume shows up no matter what. But the key is the software update that is coming from Verizon. It remains to be seen if manufacturer updates or Nexus Google updates will be able to have the same update, or if there was something unique to Verizon in that update. I wouldn't put it past Verizon to have something special in the update even if it goes against the FCC rules for the LTE spectrum. I would bet that Verizon is going to have to be told they have to allow any LTE device on the network. Look at the Nexus 7 issue, IIRC, if you already had a Sim you could pop it in, but they lagged on getting it "in their system" for it to be put on LTE with a new Sim. Its something that shouldn't even have to be "in a system". You should be able to get a data LTE sim for whatever you want.
I get what you're saying and I agree that Verizon will try to pull some BS. We could very well be using the feature on AOSP/ non vzw ROMs without knowing (doubtful) as long as we enabled the provisioning online. Let's just hope that Verizon doesn't try to pull some stupid bs loophole and let us use any unlocked LTE device that supports the band.
I have a chance to pick up one of these things for very cheap. I currently have the droid maxx and i'm happy with it, but can't pass up this opportunity. This seems like the only phone with a decent battery with a screen that's not too huge. So are there any downsides? Particularly
1) tell me about the data voice situation. Each day I spend about 1 hour using data for navigation while I make phone calls. It's just the nature of business commuting these days. Can the turbo do this or is it not suited for this yet? (I know about offline maps, but there is no offline waze road reports, not looking for workarounds, but a phone that can currently handle this very very basic task).
2) What's the rooting rom'ing bootloading situation? What's the xposed framework situation? How hard is it to root? Will root give system write privileges? How hard to bootloader unlock so I can do custom recovery and nandroid backup? Talk to me guys!
3) Any other downsides or gotchas I'm not thinking of at the moment?
Thank you in advance.
Only XT1225 (Intl version) is bootloader unlockable. I just unlocked and rooted and is working like a charm.
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thanks for your reply. I'm on Verizon tho, was wondering re droid turbo specifically, not the moto maxx.
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thanks for your reply. I'm on Verizon tho, was wondering re droid turbo specifically, not the moto maxx.
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Turbo dont have root neither unlock gor bootloader, and i dont think will have sometime soon
Yes, as they said above, no root. It may be a while.
As for Data+voice - Stop driving and looking at your phone! (jk)
I can speak from much experience here; as long as you have a good 4G signal it works very well. You will drop the call if you go from a 4g zone to a 3g or 1x zone (which if you drive on the interstate happens all the time as you switch cell towers). Then, as long as you are in a 3g zone, you can have data or voice but not both. If you are on a call in a 3g zone and head back into a 4G zone you have to hang-up and reacquire 4G signal lock to get data+voice back - otherwise you just stay on the call (but don't lose it again thankfully)
Thanks...this is very unfortunate. Was so looking forward to updating from the maxx
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Thanks...this is very unfortunate. Was so looking forward to updating from the maxx
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Unfortunately, the simultaneous data and voice will likely be a problem with most phones designed for VoLTE. CDMA voice is in the process of being phased out.
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cstone1991 said:
Unfortunately, the simultaneous data and voice will likely be a problem with most phones designed for VoLTE. CDMA voice is in the process of being phased out.
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This is why I think now is probably the best time to upgrade to something that still supports it, and that can support me for the coming years until Verizon has enough new network built up. But right now, it's unacceptable to drop such a basic feature when the phone often switches to 3g on the highways, especially in more rural areas.
I'd like to understand what it is that makes this not work. It's hard to believe that new phones from Samsung won't have support for voice and data on 3g.