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With locked bootloaders on Motorola/Verizon devices, what implications does this have for customers/xda-community?
Thinking about switching to Verizon and getting a Motorola phone but I'm not sure what having a locked bootloader really means and what implications it has for us.
Does this prevent custom rom development? Can it eventually be easily unlocked?
It essentially limits how much a rom can be customized and prevents the use of custom kernals. In general, it does restrict development for the device.
If the bootloader does get unlocked somehow, there will probably be an easy way for the end user to do it.... the problem is getting it unlocked in the first place. It's not impossible, but it definitely is not an easy task.
CC Lemon said:
It essentially limits how much a rom can be customized and prevents the use of custom kernals. In general, it does restrict development for the device.
If the bootloader does get unlocked somehow, there will probably be an easy way for the end user to do it.... the problem is getting it unlocked in the first place. It's not impossible, but it definitely is not an easy task.
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Got it.
So have you guys been able to get the bootloader on Bionic unlocked?
I'm really thinking about switching to Verizon, and Bionic & Razr were two phones I was looking at, but the locked bootloader has me a little worried.
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Got it.
So have you guys been able to get the bootloader on Bionic unlocked?
I'm really thinking about switching to Verizon, and Bionic & Razr were two phones I was looking at, but the locked bootloader has me a little worried.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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Thanks. I just wish that 4gb promotion would still be around when the Galaxy Nexus comes around. I'm considering that phone also, but I don't like that it doesn't have a microsd slot.
If verizon doesn't support voice and data at the same time, does that mean you can't use Google Navigation in your car at the same time while talking on the phone? That might be a reason I don't switch to Verizon. I like having navigation running on the screen while I'm on the phone.
An unlocked bootloader is nice but not necessary. I went from a Droid X (locked bootloader) to a thunderbolt (better specs and an unlocked bootloader) and my X was just as fast with better battery life. Now I have a bionic and its great, the only issue for me is the screen.
I've found phones with unlocked boot loaders seem to stand a test of time, more Dev's work on them, and when more dev's work on them, the higher value (IMHO)... My D1 was/is awesome, the only reason I upgraded was for the 4G finally coming to VA.
The Nexus is DEFINITELY going to be the next big thing, zero doubt in my mind. Hell, its not even out and its already been rooted. Samsung products (although cheap feeling) are always pretty open.
what about data and talk at the same time on verizon?
My other concern is about the Verizon network itself.
Using Google Navigation/maps requires constant data stream for the directions and map tiles, re-routing, etc.
If Verizon doesn't have voice/data at the same time, does that mean if you are in your car talking on bluetooth, google nav won't run correctly in the background because of no data network access?
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My other concern is about the Verizon network itself.
Using Google Navigation/maps requires constant data stream for the directions and map tiles, re-routing, etc.
If Verizon doesn't have voice/data at the same time, does that mean if you are in your car talking on bluetooth, google nav won't run correctly in the background because of no data network access?
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If you are on 4G, data and calls work at the same time. I think the thunderbolt is the only phone to have the dual 3G radios allowing it to do both on 3G, but then again I have not tried with my bionic. I am always in a 4G area.
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If you are on 4G, data and calls work at the same time. I think the thunderbolt is the only phone to have the dual 3G radios allowing it to do both on 3G, but then again I have not tried with my bionic. I am always in a 4G area.
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Oh really...on Verizon 4G LTE you can have voice and data at the same time? I didn't know! Great!
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Thanks. I just wish that 4gb promotion would still be around when the Galaxy Nexus comes around. I'm considering that phone also, but I don't like that it doesn't have a microsd slot.
If verizon doesn't support voice and data at the same time, does that mean you can't use Google Navigation in your car at the same time while talking on the phone? That might be a reason I don't switch to Verizon. I like having navigation running on the screen while I'm on the phone.
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confused...bionic.. On vzw obviously... I can talk and use data all day? What you Talkin about willis!!
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What he's talking about is Simultaneous Voice Data Optimized or SVDO for short. SVDO is the ability to do voice and data at the same time. This is not a problem for a Verizon 4G phone as long as you're on a 4G network. The game changes if you're on a Verizon 3G network though. To my knowledge the HTC Thunderbolt is the only Verzion phone that can do SVDO on the 3G network. This feat takes a special antenna and radio setup that is unique to the Thunderbolt.
You may recall many of the AT&T commercials that boasted the AT&T iPhone was the only iPhone where you could talk and browse the web at the same time. They were able to say that because the Verizon iPhone was not capable of SVDO over 3G.
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I have the Bionic and have been able to flash pretty much anything I want. Only thing we're missing is a custom kernel, but the thing is so snappy stock that you don't really need it.
I'm running Liberty right now and it's wicked quick and the themes are pretty cool too. I was even able to change my boot image from the Droid stock to The Matrix. If your wanting to root right now then Bionic is awesome, but you probably won't have to wait very long for the Razr to be rootable as well. Just personal preference I suppose.
Good luck with your decision to switch, but if you are going to I refer you to this post.
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Will miui come to this phone
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Actually, in a 3G scenario, once you start the navigator you can talk all you want and still navigate. The only time it needs to pull data is if you miss a turn and need to re-route.
Personally I want to see CM9 on the Bionic asap. While I (sadly) prefer the "Motorola Enhancements" to stock Gingerbread, I think I will prefer stock Ice Cream Sandwich from the looks of it.
Hopefully we see it sooner as opposed to later.
Just wait for the Galaxy Nexus
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I would wait, being unlocked diff. limits the device, biggest thing personally is the ability to overclock the device, I speed this thing would diff fly as dual core and has the potential but with no unlocked bootloader to run custom kernel it sucks
I'm using Motorola Moto X with Verizon Wireless (XT1060) (on unlimited data plan) and Android KitKat 4.4.
I'm having some _MAJOR_ issues with battery( and bluetooth as well. The only reason I didn't update my phone yet is I _REALLY_ need to have WiFi tethering and as far as I understand I cannot update my phone to even 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 as I'll lose root and therefor wifi tethering.
I will definitely try to wait for Dan Rosenberg and/or Justin Case, however as of now as far as I know it's not certain if/when an usable exploit/tool would be released to public, so it's a long shot(
my question is with recent Obama signing bill about "unlocking" cell phones, could that be another way or is it something completely different?
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I'm using Motorola Moto X with Verizon Wireless (XT1060) (on unlimited data plan) and Android KitKat 4.4.
I'm having some _MAJOR_ issues with battery( and bluetooth as well. The only reason I didn't update my phone yet is I _REALLY_ need to have WiFi tethering and as far as I understand I cannot update my phone to even 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 as I'll lose root and therefor wifi tethering.
I will definitely try to wait for Dan Rosenberg and/or Justin Case, however as of now as far as I know it's not certain if/when an usable exploit/tool would be released to public, so it's a long shot(
my question is with recent Obama signing bill about "unlocking" cell phones, could that be another way or is it something completely different?
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This has nothing to do with bootloader unlocking. This is in regards to SIM unlocking, which allows you to take your device to another carrier.
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This has nothing to do with bootloader unlocking. This is in regards to SIM unlocking, which allows you to take your device to another carrier.
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ah, ok.. sorry for stupid question.. i took my phone abroad and it was working, i didn't had to unlock sim or anything like that...
You can take the 4.4.2 OTA and still root with PieTowelRoot, I have a moto x on 4.4.2 right now rooted with it and using the entitlement hack by kryptonite, the set up works nice.
Get a developer edition
For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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You can take the 4.4.2 OTA and still root with PieTowelRoot, I have a moto x on 4.4.2 right now rooted with it and using the entitlement hack by kryptonite, the set up works nice.
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the downside for that is i'll lose write protection to /system.
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Get a developer edition
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as much as i like to do that, i don't think there is a point to do that right now, especially as in less than a month new version coming out...
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For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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i can use it too, just gotta pay for it and just person next to me i don't wanna) especially 'cause i have unlimited data plan))
i dont have any issues with my batt and im on 4.4 rooted with slap.. I keep the brightness down to a minimum location battery saving mode and I get 3 or 4 hours surfing constantly lot longer than that if I'm just using it periodically. I also have another Moto X its on 4.4.2 rootrd with topie using entitlement hack and I don't see any difference at all in the battery.. or anything else. I'm on the grandfathered unlimited data plan also so I need the hot spot it powers my home internet Netflix everything. you won't lose write if you go to 4.4.2 when rooted with towel pie you can write but your changes are lost if you reboot
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i dont have any issues with my batt and im on 4.4 rooted with slap.. I keep the brightness down to a minimum location battery saving mode and I get 3 or 4 hours surfing constantly lot longer than that if I'm just using it periodically. I also have another Moto X its on 4.4.2 rootrd with topie using entitlement hack and I don't see any difference at all in the battery.. or anything else. I'm on the grandfathered unlimited data plan also so I need the hot spot it powers my home internet Netflix everything. you won't lose write if you go to 4.4.2 when rooted with towel pie you can write but your changes are lost if you reboot
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I don't even get 2 hours of screen time(( I guess its also depends on apps you have installed and usage, before i took OTA update from 4.2.2 I was getting _MUCH_ greater screen time for sure, so I was thinking since there are bugs in 4.4, updating to anything higher would (re)solve at least some of them, but going that route has its own pros and cons.
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I don't even get 2 hours of screen time(( I guess its also depends on apps you have installed and usage, before i took OTA update from 4.2.2 I was getting _MUCH_ greater screen time for sure, so I was thinking since there are bugs in 4.4, updating to anything higher would (re)solve at least some of them, but going that route has its own pros and cons.
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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Good point!
Yeah, There is actually a 4.4.4 safestrap-compatible ROM "Krypton" in the Development sub-forum.
EDIT @KidJoe : I sent you a PM regarding the post below this one...
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...i took my phone abroad and it was working, i didn't had to unlock sim or anything like that...
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Verizon LTE phones are sim UNlocked out of the box, and considered "global" due to quadband GSM support, and some HSPA support.
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For once att isn't the worst carrier I can use Hotspot without any issues on stock 4.4.2. I haven't tried since updating to 4.4.4.
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Verizon users on a TIERED data plan can tether without hacks or anything. I just eats from their tiered data bucket.
Those still on the old Unlimited data plans have to pay for tethering or hack their phone. Hence rooting being required.
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EDIT @KidJoe : I sent you a PM regarding the post below this one...
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Fixed. Thanks!!
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Verizon LTE phones are sim UNlocked out of the box, and considered "global" due to quadband GSM support, and some HSPA support.
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Since I have a Moto X and Droid Ultra I could pop in a Cricket or Net10 sim and be good to go? Every time I tried to search about only thing I can find is sites to pay for a SIM unlock code.
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Since I have a Moto X and Droid Ultra I could pop in a Cricket or Net10 sim and be good to go? Every time I tried to search about only thing I can find is sites to pay for a SIM unlock code.
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Depends on whose towers Cricket and Net10 use. If they use GSM (like use T-Mobile's towers), then yes.
I can stick my T-Mobile USA sim (my work line used for GS3 and iPhone), into my personal Verizon X since I got it. Some of the firmwares work better than others, some I needed to manually enter APN settings, some I get "SIM is from unknown provider" etc.
With 4.4.4. its been the best and most compatible to date. I haven't had to enter T-Mobile's APN settings on my VZW X, and voice, sms, mms and data work, including HSPA+ and LTE. There is a slight lag of switching from H/H+ to LTE (like after I hang up a phone call), but that is about it.
Keep in mind, the VZW X supports LTE bands 4 and 13. T-Mobile uses 4 and I'm not sure if they use any other bands for LTE.
For HSPA/HSPA+ on T-Mobile, you need to be in areas where T-Mobile has re-farmed their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+
Now, if you use ATT... EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+ will be fine, but LTE will likely not work as ATT uses different bands.
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Since you've still got write protection off you can use safestrap to flash newer versions and retain full root, that's what I'm doing!
And I'm getting much more battery life with 4.4.3 (over 4.4.2 at least)
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as much as I'd like to use that, I really would like to stay on stock rom, and that dev made some customization to rom that i'm not too crazy about it, i really wish there was a rom without any of that customization.. maybe its just me and everyone else wants to have all that customization in
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Depends on whose towers Cricket and Net10 use. If they use GSM (like use T-Mobile's towers), then yes.
I can stick my T-Mobile USA sim (my work line used for GS3 and iPhone), into my personal Verizon X since I got it. Some of the firmwares work better than others, some I needed to manually enter APN settings, some I get "SIM is from unknown provider" etc.
With 4.4.4. its been the best and most compatible to date. I haven't had to enter T-Mobile's APN settings on my VZW X, and voice, sms, mms and data work, including HSPA+ and LTE. There is a slight lag of switching from H/H+ to LTE (like after I hang up a phone call), but that is about it.
Keep in mind, the VZW X supports LTE bands 4 and 13. T-Mobile uses 4 and I'm not sure if they use any other bands for LTE.
For HSPA/HSPA+ on T-Mobile, you need to be in areas where T-Mobile has re-farmed their 1900mhz from EDGE to HSPA/HSPA+
Now, if you use ATT... EDGE/GPRS/HSPA/HSPA+ will be fine, but LTE will likely not work as ATT uses different bands.
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I'll be using ATT. If T-Mobile was where I live I'd be all over it. I made up my mind to leave Verizon and I just want to get going. I'm going to try and do the activate, port, and generate new Verizon number thing. I don't want to buy new GSM phones yet. Going to hold out until the new Moto X is released or Moto Maxx. Or Motorola Nexus to buy new phones. My wife won't give up her Droid Ultra at all. The Active Display has her hooked. So I have to wait to see what is coming in September.
I have an old Thundebolt and RAZR HD to activate on my verizon lines right now.
If I pull this off I'll have two unlimited data lines up for exchange for some expresidents
Thank you.
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as much as I'd like to use that, I really would like to stay on stock rom, and that dev made some customization to rom that i'm not too crazy about it, i really wish there was a rom without any of that customization.. maybe its just me and everyone else wants to have all that customization in
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I'll admit these are buried deep, and I don't even think there's one for 4.4.3.
These should be fully stock with the exception that they come rooted.
here's vzw stock 4.4.2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/116025-romsafestrap-unlockedxt1060-stock-rooted-vzw-164552-kitkat-442/
here's vzw stock 4.4.4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/rom-stock-rooted-vzw-212-55-26-t2829123
Wow I am not a happy camper reading this http://phandroid.com/2014/09/20/verizon-moto-x-launch-without-simultaneous-voice-data/ can anyone else confirm this is in fact the case?
Does it only have one radio that does CDMA and LTE, rather than two separate ones or something? I was so hopeful to get a Moto X, unlike most people I do a lot of calling & relaying data, making appointments, etc on the phone. I've been struggling with my Galaxy S3 reception for the past 2 years I was hoping Motorola legendary reception would be my salvation but it's looking like that might not be the case. Right now with my GS3 I get 1bar of LTE, if I go downstairs I get 2 bars of 3G. I know Samsung receptions blows chunks but would Moto be that much better to hold on to LTE? IT seems like basically if I want MOTO X I have to live without simultaneous voice/data or update to advance calling 1.0 and risk having important calls drop if I go from LTE to 3G. Say can anyone here recommend another phone that has good reception reviewers don't seem to measure that spec anymore. Thanks
Here is from Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 FAQ.
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won’t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
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All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage
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I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage
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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
But the way Motorola did the antenna is just making it on the outside of the phone right? iPhone did that, so it should be ok?
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The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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so in the future, you may be ok
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I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose
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I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose
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Once I realized there is no LTE to 3G handoff I am getting really worried. I bounce between LTE and 3G all the time on my moto x and note 3 around where I live.
On Verizon choose either voice+data, or no dropped calls. Maybe it's time to choose AT&T.
Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.
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Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.
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This will be the new norm on Verizon ... So until they saturate the ENTIRE country in 4G (is this even possible?), I'd image calls dropping will be an issue for someone, somewhere. Yeah, eventually as Verizon continues to build their network those effected will be few and far between, but I'd imagine that it'll take a while. Knowing big red's arrogance, they'll be known concerned with those effected ...
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edit: the article is a bit confusing imo. and here's quote from the article:
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The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
Simultaneous voice and data has been available on most Android phones by coming equipped with two separate radios and maintaining separate connections to the 1x and EVDO or LTE networks. Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones.
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The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.
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Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.
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the wording is off in the article (unless my interpretation is really bad). how i interpreted the line "Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones" meant that since that phone is "certified (in Verizon's eyes?)" to have VoLTE, of course it will be handled differently. and that goes for future phones as well
the reason i interpreted it like that is i continued reading the article, and it explains the whole software update to activate VoLTE and all that stuff
i really hope that this article is wrong
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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
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The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.
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The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.
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I think T-Mobile has to setup VoLTE on the network side. It isn't available right now
sent from my Moto X (2014)
Honestly, VoLTE isn't that important right now, not many people still have that feature. All it is better call sound quality and connect faster.
No Simultaneous Voice and Data
Well, I just got my Moto X 2014 yesterday and discovered I can't be on the phone and use data at the same time. I called Verizon thinking maybe my SIM was having trouble or something...then, found this thread. I'm fairly irritated by this as this is a feature I use quite often. Wonder how long it'll be before they push the update allowing simultaneous voice and data? I suppose I'll switch back to my 1st Gen Moto X until then... too bad.
I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.
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I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.
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To each their own. I use voice/data simultaneously constantly. As a GM for a large construction company, I have customers, employees, and subcontractors calling constantly needing information that I can only provide with an internet connection. If I'm traveling and using my phone's hotspot feature, but then get a call, I'm screwed. I have to hang up with the the caller, lookup the data/information, & then call them back and hope they don't ask me for some other piece of information. I'll be looking forward to this update.
Oh I could for sure see that being an issue. Hopefully the update comes soon
Ah, dang. I just read Moto only has one modem inside the Moto X. Damn Verizon for not updating the patch for simultaneous voice/data. Probably working out a new patch so we will have a harder time to root.
This might be a deal breaker for me, and I can't believe I haven't heard about it in reviews.
GPS doesn't work if you are on the phone? Is this a VZW only thing?
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Do you mean by calling ?
Faruko said:
Do you mean by calling ?
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Yes, as soon as I make a phone call my GPS stopped tracking my progress. When I hang up, tracking resumes.
I have not noticed this with the OG X. I do use GPS and have calls at times.
I wont get my new 2014 X till the 29th
Voice calls and data connection currently don't work together. There's an update planned for "this fall" that will fix it.
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Yes, as soon as I make a phone call my GPS stopped tracking my progress. When I hang up, tracking resumes.
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Update - it seems like the GPS is still tracking, but my nav app begins searching for the data network to provide additional info (traffic, accidents, etc.).
So, not as big a deal as I thought, but still annoying and seems like a step back from my RAZR M.
not an issue on ATT.
toddbecker said:
This might be a deal breaker for me, and I can't believe I haven't heard about it in reviews.
GPS doesn't work if you are on the phone? Is this a VZW only thing?
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Yes its Verizon only. Never noticed you can't use data on the phone?
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Yes its Verizon only. Never noticed you can't use data on the phone?
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I didn't have the same behavior on my RAZR M that I have with the Moto X. On the X, my navigation app, Waze, begins searching for a connection (though the GPS tracking continues). In addition, a box pops up to warn about the lack of data.
Verizon's CMDA/LTE can't do voice and data at the same time (with the exception of the Rezound and the Thunderbolt), it's a problem with CDMA. GSM networks like AT&T and T-Mobile have no problem with this.
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Verizon's CMDA/LTE can't do voice and data at the same time (with the exception of the Rezound and the Thunderbolt), it's a problem with CDMA. GSM networks like AT&T and T-Mobile have no problem with this.
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Uh, what? Simultaneous voice and data has been a staple on nearly every VZW LTE phone SINCE the Thunderbolt, not just two phones.
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Uh, what? Simultaneous voice and data has been a staple on nearly every VZW LTE phone SINCE the Thunderbolt, not just two phones.
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I haven't had a Verizon phone since the galaxy nexus or Rezound came out so excuse me. I hoped over to t-mobile.
I got my N6 (CW 46Gb) from Moto last Friday. I was amazed and exciting at the beginning. However, now I started noticing things that I am not sure if all Nexuses are like that or just mine. FYI, N6 rooted and unlocked bootloader on stock.
1. WiFi will not connect very quick. It will keep trying with "Authentication Problem" couple of times until it connects. It will take a while until it connects.
2. I can't use data mobile while I am on a phone call. I am with Verizon and I do have LTE in my area. I know for fact that I can do that because I used to do it my Galaxy Nexus and S4. (screenshot attached from N6)
3. call sound: the other end sound like "muffle" or "hollow" I don't know how to describe it, but it is not normal and not pure.
Any feedback or inputs would be helpful.
Thanks,
1. i personally dont have an issue
2. first off, you cant use both data and phone calls on verizon, its a cdma carrier. now the possibility exists to use data and voice on verizon, with lte, and only if they rolled out Volte into your area. if not, you can not have both voice and data on verizon.
3. sounds perfect here, and especially awesome when im connected via tmobiles hd calling.
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1. i personally dont have an issue
2. first off, you cant use both data and phone calls on verizon, its a cdma carrier. now the possibility exists to use data and voice on verizon, with lte, and only if they rolled out Volte into your area. if not, you can not have both voice and data on verizon.
3. sounds perfect here, and especially awesome when im connected via tmobiles hd calling.
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Thanks for your reply.
1. OK, mine might be defective unit. I will wait see other users what they say about it.
2. Yes I can use both with LTE device only! I am sure because as I said I used to do it on my previous Nexus on Verizon and Galaxy S4.
3. I try it for several days to make sure before I call it in.
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1. OK, mine might be defective unit. I will wait see other users what they say about it.
2. Yes I can use both with LTE device only! I am sure because as I said I used to do it on my previous Nexus on Verizon and Galaxy S4.
3. I try it for several days to make sure before I call it in.
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only if verizon rolled out volte in your area. and they just started at the end of this summer. without volte, its impossible to have voice and data on lte, for any network. if using a lte phone on tmobile or att(gsm networks), when you make a phone call when on lte, the signal drops to hspa or 3g automatically. as voice calls cant go through lte when not on volte. there is one exception, if you are making an internet phonecall(that doesnt need a phone line).
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only if verizon rolled out volte in your area. and they just started at the end of this summer. without volte, its impossible to have voice and data on lte, for any network. if using a lte phone on tmobile or att(gsm networks), when you make a phone call when on lte, the signal drops to hspa or 3g automatically. as voice calls cant go through lte when not on volte. there is one exception, if you are making an internet phonecall(that doesnt need a phone line).
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Man, look at pic attached. Using my wife's Galaxy S4 on Verizon proving that we can do it on LTE networks. I want to do it with my N6. I should be doing it like any LTE phone. I have an old 3G phone that doesn't do it.
There are only some phones that can use voice and data on Verizon without volte and only because those phones have 2 radios, I can use voice and data on my note 4 but my wife cannot use it on her turbo. The nexus cannot use voice and data without volte.
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There are only some phones that can use voice and data on Verizon without volte and only because those phones have 2 radios, I can use voice and data on my note 4 but my wife cannot use it on her turbo. The nexus cannot use voice and data without volte.
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yours makes more since. Now, have you tried N6 on Verizon LTE and didn't work like Turbo?
Edit: never mind, from Reddit "This was known. Droid Life's test showed no data while on call. There will be an update that will enable VoLTE on carriers that support it, when that goes out, LTE will work while on call on supported towers."
So, it is a matter of time.
Mine has the Authentication problem since updating to 5.0.1
I have to reenter my password
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Mine has the Authentication problem since updating to 5.0.1
I have to reenter my password
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I read somewhere here 5.0.1 fixes that! I was going to manually update mine to 5.0.1
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1. i personally dont have an issue
2. first off, you cant use both data and phone calls on verizon, its a cdma carrier. now the possibility exists to use data and voice on verizon, with lte, and only if they rolled out Volte into your area. if not, you can not have both voice and data on verizon.
3. sounds perfect here, and especially awesome when im connected via tmobiles hd calling.
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You can use data and voice on Verizon. I've done it many times.
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I read somewhere here 5.0.1 fixes that! I was going to manually update mine to 5.0.1
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Just the opposite for me. 5.0.1 seems to have caused it, plus connecting to data at boot up seems to take a lot longer
OK so, I don't understand. From Motorola's page:
Americas Model (XT1103)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
CDMA (800, 1900, secondary 800 MHz)
WCDMA (1, 2, 4, 5, 8)
LTE (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 29, 41)
CA DL (B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29)
It says "secondary 800MHz". I know I have the 1103 model, I have the box. Why on earth can the device not use the "secondary 800MHz" to make the call??
Usually the carriers roll out an update to your phone which will allow you to use data while calling. At least that is my impression of big red. I haven't had Verizon in a while so I don't remember exactly but I think it has to do with the volte update that should be pushed out to the N6 for carries that support that and WiFi calling.
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Just the opposite for me. 5.0.1 seems to have caused it, plus connecting to data at boot up seems to take a lot longer
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WiFi issue fixed. I talked custom recovery and Resurrection Remix Lollipop Rom. I loved that rom! Extra optional customizations that makes my N6 fly and special ?
I need to wait for the update to enable using voice and data at same time.
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My gnex does voice and data simultaneously. CDMA for voice and LTE for data.
The Nexus 6 does NOT do simultaneous voice and data on Verizon, yet.
The phone isn't even officially supported by Verizon. Give it some time.
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The Nexus 6 does NOT do simultaneous voice and data on Verizon, yet.
The phone isn't even officially supported by Verizon. Give it some time.
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Agree
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My gnex does voice and data simultaneously. CDMA for voice and LTE for data.
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As mentioned earlier in this thread, the Galaxy Nexus has two radios. Two radios = two connections.
I don't understand how this is still a question. Lol. It has been stated in this forum that the Nexus 6 is still handicapped on Verizon until Verizon rolls out the VoLTE update for it. Until then, the one radio in the Nexus 6 will only use voice OR data at one time, not both. Older phones on Verizon usually always had two radios for simultaneous voice and data. Newer phones will now usually only have one radio, which I personally think is kind of silly.
Can't say whether the muffled and hollow call quality is a bad unit though. Mine sounds clear.
@ataris_kid... I am well aware that the gnex has 2 radios. My comment was made to drive the point home to someone posting in this thread that it wasn't possible; when in fact it is. Just not with the N6 at this point in time. I just hope that volte on vzw doesn't go the way of the pogo pins on this toro gnex with the N6.