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No simulation voice / data without update?! (Verizon)

Wow I am not a happy camper reading this http://phandroid.com/2014/09/20/verizon-moto-x-launch-without-simultaneous-voice-data/ can anyone else confirm this is in fact the case?
Does it only have one radio that does CDMA and LTE, rather than two separate ones or something? I was so hopeful to get a Moto X, unlike most people I do a lot of calling & relaying data, making appointments, etc on the phone. I've been struggling with my Galaxy S3 reception for the past 2 years I was hoping Motorola legendary reception would be my salvation but it's looking like that might not be the case. Right now with my GS3 I get 1bar of LTE, if I go downstairs I get 2 bars of 3G. I know Samsung receptions blows chunks but would Moto be that much better to hold on to LTE? IT seems like basically if I want MOTO X I have to live without simultaneous voice/data or update to advance calling 1.0 and risk having important calls drop if I go from LTE to 3G. Say can anyone here recommend another phone that has good reception reviewers don't seem to measure that spec anymore. Thanks
Here is from Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 FAQ.
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won’t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
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All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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0.0 said:
All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage

piccit said:
I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage
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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
But the way Motorola did the antenna is just making it on the outside of the phone right? iPhone did that, so it should be ok?
edit: the article is a bit confusing imo. and here's quote from the article:
The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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so in the future, you may be ok
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I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose

YankInDaSouth said:
I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose
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Once I realized there is no LTE to 3G handoff I am getting really worried. I bounce between LTE and 3G all the time on my moto x and note 3 around where I live.
On Verizon choose either voice+data, or no dropped calls. Maybe it's time to choose AT&T.

Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.

jasondhsd said:
Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.
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This will be the new norm on Verizon ... So until they saturate the ENTIRE country in 4G (is this even possible?), I'd image calls dropping will be an issue for someone, somewhere. Yeah, eventually as Verizon continues to build their network those effected will be few and far between, but I'd imagine that it'll take a while. Knowing big red's arrogance, they'll be known concerned with those effected ...
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edit: the article is a bit confusing imo. and here's quote from the article:
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The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
Simultaneous voice and data has been available on most Android phones by coming equipped with two separate radios and maintaining separate connections to the 1x and EVDO or LTE networks. Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones.
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The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.

piccit said:
Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.
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the wording is off in the article (unless my interpretation is really bad). how i interpreted the line "Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones" meant that since that phone is "certified (in Verizon's eyes?)" to have VoLTE, of course it will be handled differently. and that goes for future phones as well
the reason i interpreted it like that is i continued reading the article, and it explains the whole software update to activate VoLTE and all that stuff

i really hope that this article is wrong

Mountains and mole hills...

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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
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The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.

knitler said:
The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.
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I think T-Mobile has to setup VoLTE on the network side. It isn't available right now
sent from my Moto X (2014)

Honestly, VoLTE isn't that important right now, not many people still have that feature. All it is better call sound quality and connect faster.

No Simultaneous Voice and Data
Well, I just got my Moto X 2014 yesterday and discovered I can't be on the phone and use data at the same time. I called Verizon thinking maybe my SIM was having trouble or something...then, found this thread. I'm fairly irritated by this as this is a feature I use quite often. Wonder how long it'll be before they push the update allowing simultaneous voice and data? I suppose I'll switch back to my 1st Gen Moto X until then... too bad.

I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.

bootsie99 said:
I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.
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To each their own. I use voice/data simultaneously constantly. As a GM for a large construction company, I have customers, employees, and subcontractors calling constantly needing information that I can only provide with an internet connection. If I'm traveling and using my phone's hotspot feature, but then get a call, I'm screwed. I have to hang up with the the caller, lookup the data/information, & then call them back and hope they don't ask me for some other piece of information. I'll be looking forward to this update.

Oh I could for sure see that being an issue. Hopefully the update comes soon

Ah, dang. I just read Moto only has one modem inside the Moto X. Damn Verizon for not updating the patch for simultaneous voice/data. Probably working out a new patch so we will have a harder time to root.

No Internet connection during phone calls Nexus 6 Verizon

No Internet connection during phone calls Nexus 6 Verizon, activate the phone without any problem when I call I can not browse the internet

Known. All new Verizon devices are this way until they get Advanced Calling 1.0
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JAEGER323 said:
No Internet connection during phone calls Nexus 6 Verizon, activate the phone without any problem when I call I can not browse the internet
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If Verizon doesn't get this for some reason, you'll most likely never be able to.

Verizon phones used to be able to do this, but with changes going on in the networks and different radios now days it is not yet possible on any modern smartphone that I know of until Verizon re-activates the ability.

Hopefully temporary because voice and data work great on my N4.

Im using a Nexus 6 on Verizon and i am able to go on the internet while on a phone call.

bill213 said:
Im using a Nexus 6 on Verizon and i am able to go on the internet while on a phone call.
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Are you sure you're not on WiFi? This does not work for me unless I am on WiFi and a call....

bill213 said:
Im using a Nexus 6 on Verizon and i am able to go on the internet while on a phone call.
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No you aren't. At least not off WiFi.

akellar said:
No you aren't. At least not off WiFi.
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verizon has volte enabled in a very few markets. if his volte is enabled, then he can get voice and data over wifi at the same time. volte = voice over lte.

simms22 said:
verizon has volte enabled in a very few markets. if his volte is enabled, then he can get voice and data over wifi at the same time. volte = voice over lte.
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Right but only if he's using wifi (which you can do even without VoLTE). Even in VoLTE markets you can't get voice and data over the air at the same time until they give you the all mighty Advance Calling 1.0 update.

Has anyone added the feature through the Verizon website to see if it works at all? I now have the option of adding Advanced Calling 1.0 to my line with the Nexus 6 but all the other phones say not compatible (Moto X 2013 and iPhone 4)

spiicytuna said:
Are you sure you're not on WiFi? This does not work for me unless I am on WiFi and a call....
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i was wrong my phone was on wifi...sry

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bloodiedwraith said:
Has anyone added the feature through the Verizon website to see if it works at all? I now have the option of adding Advanced Calling 1.0 to my line with the Nexus 6 but all the other phones say not compatible (Moto X 2013 and iPhone 4)
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Yeah I was surprised to see the option for "Advanced Calling" show up, considering the phone shows up as "NON-VZW" device. I tried adding the feature on Verizon's website but it doesn't do anything. You'd have to enable VoLTE on the phone as well, which AFAICT the N6 does not support yet.
I enabled Advanced Calling for my wife's iPhone 6 on Verizon and it worked as advertised -- you can do simultaneous voice and data even when not on wifi. I also had to enable the setting on her iPhone to get it to work (changed some LTE setting from "Data only" to "Voice and Data"). Note the iPhone 6 is listed on Verizon's site as a supported device:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Presumably Verizon will add Nexus 6 to the list after they start selling the device. The big question is will Moto and Google purchased devices work as well, or only those purchased from Verizon?

I wonder what's the chance of getting the droid turbo image to run on the Nexus 6?
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bigyak22 said:
I wonder what's the chance of getting the droid turbo image to run on the Nexus 6?
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Zero
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Ok...well I have a N3 waiting on my N6 and GPS is critical for my driving and travel. Many times I am on phone leaving airport and using my Note 3 to navigate while I talk.
If N6 can't do this I am dead! Google maps need data but if I get a call then I am in trouble.
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parcou said:
Ok...well I have a N3 waiting on my N6 and GPS is critical for my driving and travel. Many times I am on phone leaving airport and using my Note 3 to navigate while I talk.
If N6 can't do this I am dead! Google maps need data but if I get a call then I am in trouble.
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Actually you should be fine you will need you will need to start your navigation before you take the call but once you start the navigation if you stay to the prescribed route google maps does not need more data try it out start a navigation and turn off mobile data it should work just fine is long as you stay on the route that it tells you it won't be able to redirect.

akellar said:
Right but only if he's using wifi (which you can do even without VoLTE). Even in VoLTE markets you can't get voice and data over the air at the same time until they give you the all mighty Advance Calling 1.0 update.
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VoLTE is the same as Avanced Calling 1.0... All markets have Advanced Calling.. Its the software upgrade on the device that is behind.. After the software is available it will allow the feature to be added.. VoLTE will be able to support both voice and data..
Moto X, Turbo and N6 are experiencing the same on the VZ Network

Had this feature on my Verizon G3 and I do miss it. Not a deal breaker by any means for me but still very cool option to have

VoLTE Verizon or AT&T

Capable or no?

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Capable or no?
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verizon just started rolling it out in a few localities. att, not available at all, not yet.

so that's a no for the nexus 6?

wrecklesswun said:
so that's a no for the nexus 6?
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The nexus 6 is capable. Its your carrier that implements VoLTE. Its rolling out in certain areas, but will take some time for everyone to get it.

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so that's a no for the nexus 6?
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for verizon it might be an issue, since there would be no data and phone calls. but on att(and tmobile) that wouldnt make any issues as when you receive phone calls, you signal gets changed to hspa/hspa+(no voice calls over lte) asnd you still get data flowing while on a phone call.

Any downsides? 1) Data/Voice 2)rooting/system rw/bootloader unlock?

I have a chance to pick up one of these things for very cheap. I currently have the droid maxx and i'm happy with it, but can't pass up this opportunity. This seems like the only phone with a decent battery with a screen that's not too huge. So are there any downsides? Particularly
1) tell me about the data voice situation. Each day I spend about 1 hour using data for navigation while I make phone calls. It's just the nature of business commuting these days. Can the turbo do this or is it not suited for this yet? (I know about offline maps, but there is no offline waze road reports, not looking for workarounds, but a phone that can currently handle this very very basic task).
2) What's the rooting rom'ing bootloading situation? What's the xposed framework situation? How hard is it to root? Will root give system write privileges? How hard to bootloader unlock so I can do custom recovery and nandroid backup? Talk to me guys!
3) Any other downsides or gotchas I'm not thinking of at the moment?
Thank you in advance.

Only XT1225 (Intl version) is bootloader unlockable. I just unlocked and rooted and is working like a charm.
Sent from my XT1225

thanks for your reply. I'm on Verizon tho, was wondering re droid turbo specifically, not the moto maxx.

mistermojorizin said:
thanks for your reply. I'm on Verizon tho, was wondering re droid turbo specifically, not the moto maxx.
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Turbo dont have root neither unlock gor bootloader, and i dont think will have sometime soon

Yes, as they said above, no root. It may be a while.
As for Data+voice - Stop driving and looking at your phone! (jk)
I can speak from much experience here; as long as you have a good 4G signal it works very well. You will drop the call if you go from a 4g zone to a 3g or 1x zone (which if you drive on the interstate happens all the time as you switch cell towers). Then, as long as you are in a 3g zone, you can have data or voice but not both. If you are on a call in a 3g zone and head back into a 4G zone you have to hang-up and reacquire 4G signal lock to get data+voice back - otherwise you just stay on the call (but don't lose it again thankfully)

Thanks...this is very unfortunate. Was so looking forward to updating from the maxx

mistermojorizin said:
Thanks...this is very unfortunate. Was so looking forward to updating from the maxx
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Unfortunately, the simultaneous data and voice will likely be a problem with most phones designed for VoLTE. CDMA voice is in the process of being phased out.
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cstone1991 said:
Unfortunately, the simultaneous data and voice will likely be a problem with most phones designed for VoLTE. CDMA voice is in the process of being phased out.
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This is why I think now is probably the best time to upgrade to something that still supports it, and that can support me for the coming years until Verizon has enough new network built up. But right now, it's unacceptable to drop such a basic feature when the phone often switches to 3g on the highways, especially in more rural areas.
I'd like to understand what it is that makes this not work. It's hard to believe that new phones from Samsung won't have support for voice and data on 3g.

[Q] No incoming calls while WiFi is on

So my problem is that while being connected to WiFi, my phone cannot receive any incoming calls. I have flashed several Roms and radios to see if that would fix the problem, as well as playing with the APN settings. Has anyone else experienced this or am I just lucky? I am on T-Mobile so I'm hoping the WiFi calling makes this a moot point, but I'd still like to fix this for the time being. Same issue for sending or getting MMS, but textra has a work around for that. Thanks for your time and input.

RoninRyan said:
So my problem is that while being connected to WiFi, my phone cannot receive any incoming calls. I have flashed several Roms and radios to see if that would fix the problem, as well as playing with the APN settings. Has anyone else experienced this or am I just lucky? I am on T-Mobile so I'm hoping the WiFi calling makes this a moot point, but I'd still like to fix this for the time being. Same issue for sending or getting MMS, but textra has a work around for that. Thanks for your time and input.
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It's a known issue. If you use the search forum option, you will find the relevant threads.

Evolution_Freak said:
It's a known issue. If you use the search forum option, you will find the relevant threads.
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I'm guessing you mean this thread that you participated in? http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/lmy47m-5-1-calls-wifi-t3068902
I did find that earlier but the information that was stated by the op running chroma is not working for me, so I was wondering if there were more details out there.

RoninRyan said:
I'm guessing you mean this thread that you participated in? http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/lmy47m-5-1-calls-wifi-t3068902
I did find that earlier but the information that was stated by the op running chroma is not working for me, so I was wondering if there were more details out there.
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Turn off enhanced LTE in Settings>more>cellular networks>carrier settings.

Apparently this issue is STILL present and it dates back to April and now it effects Project Fi users as well. How do Sprint customers deal with this, 4 MONTH missing calls and texts ?

I'm on my second nexus and its still an issue, seems like there is no way to fix this. I would like to know how many users are affected....
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kolyan said:
Apparently this issue is STILL present and it dates back to April and now it effects Project Fi users as well. How do Sprint customers deal with this, 4 MONTH missing calls and texts ?
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The semi-effective Sprint fix has been switching to 3g only while connected to WiFi.

The_Merovingian said:
The semi-effective Sprint fix has been switching to 3g only while connected to WiFi.
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Could you elaborate on "semi-effective"?
Thanks.

cam30era said:
Could you elaborate on "semi-effective"?
Thanks.
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Sure. Most users in my Sprint thread have reported that this works. Some have said it doesn't.

The_Merovingian said:
Sure. Most users in my Sprint thread have reported that this works. Some have said it doesn't.
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Thanks. On Fi for a couple of days, and it's locked on Sprint at home. At least I know what to expect and keep an eye out for.

The issue actually dated back to December 2014 lol.....
It might have gotten better on Project Fi at least....last time I tested I received all 5 calls. I wonder when Sprint implemented that semi fix?

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The issue actually dated back to December 2014 lol.....
It might have gotten better on Project Fi at least....last time I tested I received all 5 calls. I wonder when Sprint implemented that semi fix?
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It wasn't implemented by Sprint, rather resourceful users through trial and error.
I had surely thought this was a Sprint specific issue, as we have been plagued by issues involving their network. I'm referring to the duplicate texting problems that were finally resolved in 5.1.1, so for once, I'm surprised that I can't #blameSprint.

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It wasn't implemented by Sprint, rather resourceful users through trial and error.
I had surely thought this was a Sprint specific issue, as we have been plagued by issues involving their network. I'm referring to the duplicate texting problems that were finally resolved in 5.1.1, so for once, I'm surprised that I can't #blameSprint.
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I did read that it's LTE + WiFi issue and users manually switching to 3G, I suppose that's what u mean

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I did read that it's LTE + WiFi issue and users manually switching to 3G, I suppose that's what u mean
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Yes that is what we are doing... For a really long time.... With no fix is site. I've contacted Sprint Google and Motorola, they all tell me to exchange the device for another. I'm now on my second nexus 6 with the lte + WiFi issue.
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I find it a bit ridiculous they dragged it this far without a fix. How is it even possible that 3 gaint companies can't fix it for like 8-9 month

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I find it a bit ridiculous they dragged it this far without a fix. How is it even possible that 3 gaint companies can't fix it for like 8-9 month
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I agree we as users have to keep reporting the issue or its never going to get fixed. I just received a replacement nexus 6 with the exclamation point issue and still missing calls on WiFi.... Ugh I can't win....
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cam30era said:
Thanks. On Fi for a couple of days, and it's locked on Sprint at home. At least I know what to expect and keep an eye out for.
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The main issue on sprint seems to be that the phone has to switch from LTE to 3g to ring the phone, and for some reason it's having a problem doing that while on WIFI. Therefore being were all forced to run our phones in 3g mode. The phone has no problem ringing on WIFI.
your project fi should work fine on sprint.. When someone calls you on project Fi your phone uses LTE for calls ( or wifi ). No need for your phone to switch back and forth..
The easy fix for sprint on this is to just enable WIFI calling on the Nexus..

xTmDarren said:
The main issue on sprint seems to be that the phone has to switch from LTE to 3g to ring the phone, and for some reason it's having a problem doing that while on WIFI. Therefore being were all forced to run our phones in 3g mode. The phone has no problem ringing on WIFI.
your project fi should work fine on sprint.. When someone calls you on project Fi your phone uses LTE for calls ( or wifi ). No need for your phone to switch back and forth..
The easy fix for sprint on this is to just enable WIFI calling on the Nexus..
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It hasnt worked on Project Fi, its the same issue as on Sprint. It did get better.....perhaps they are tweaking it. Lately its been working fine, so maybe they fixed it. Fi has different issue now....no band 12 support on M and people that run L build with B12 say they miss calls on Tmobile because Fi doesnt support VoLTE on B12