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Install programs on storage card or device?

Hey guys,
Just a general question here. I always installed my programs on the storage card and never the device whenever I had the option but then I wondered is there a difference in terms of speed or anything? Are there certain programs I should be installing on the device and not storage card?
I did a search and didnt find anything.
Thanks

I dont think speed is the problem. I have never encountered any noticeable difference in speed. But I certainly had some stability problems with apps installed onto storage card.

altae said:
I dont think speed is the problem. I have never encountered any noticeable difference in speed. But I certainly had some stability problems with apps installed onto storage card.
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Most of the time the read/write speed from storage card is sufficient to make the app run well from the storage card.
But because the storage card is controlled by a driver the stability can be a problem. I've heard from several sources that an on the storage card installed program running in the background can cause SoD's.

storage card is better for "storage" as applications use the main board memory better...

hmm ok, ill keep that in mind.
My xperia is randomly shutting down by itself for no reason, so Im wondering if thats a problem.
Ill just have it in my pocket and when I press the power button, instead of coming out of standby, it actually starts up.
Sometimes too when it starts up and it shows the sony ericsson screen it will just shut off there too.

Generally I recommend you the following: Don't install system relevant programs onto your storage card. By system relevant I mean all programs that are autostarted or otherwise associated with the os. For example today plugins, programs that replace certain native applictations like messaging etc, task managers...
By following those rules I have no problems at all with unstable applications.

when in suspended mode sd interface is turned off so programs running from there will not run

Apps on sd or internal storage?

Hey guys i wanted to that if i install my apps on my phone's internal storage will it have any negative effect on d performance on my phone..i notice apps on sd are slow to load..plzz help as internal storage still has 900 mb empty.
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If you still have 900mb left on your phone's internal storage, I don't believe that installing apps there will negatively affect your phone's performance. In fact, that's what the internal storage is for (among other things). Cheers!

[Q] App storage vs. performance

So, many of us want more storage space for apps. It seems that there are a couple of options:
1. Use BlackRose to increase the /data partition.
2. Use DT apps2sd to move the applications to the sd card
3. Use DT apps2sd to move the dalvik cache to the sd card
(or a combination of 2 and 3)
Can anyone provide a clear understanding of what the trade-offs are? Option 1 has some appeal, as it just leaves everything in internal memory and simply repartitions to match the a good setting for my current ROM (OxygeN1mod).
I have used DT apps2sd, but all I moved with the dalvik cache (option 3 above).. It seemed to work OK for a while, then everything seemed to fall apart (FC, etc.) Not sure if the problem was with the SD card, the fact that the dc was moved, or something unrelated.
So, in short, what are the performance considerations of moving either apps or the dalvik cache to the SD card?

The only performance consideration is the speed of your SD card and Nexus' SD controller (the slowest of them), compared to the speed of Nexus' system NAND (the original location of /data partition).
The space consideration is simple - no matter how you split Nexus' partitions, you end up with nothing. I don't have too many apps installed (only 103), and I have 700 MB taken on /data on my MT4G. So even if you squeeze 300MB out of Nexus using Blackrose, it's still nothing.

Jack_R1 said:
The only performance consideration is the speed of your SD card and Nexus' SD controller (the slowest of them), compared to the speed of Nexus' system NAND (the original location of /data partition).
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In other words, using blackrose means you stay on the system NAND, whereas DT you have the SD controller bottleneck? Do we have any performance measurements on these?
Jack_R1 said:
The space consideration is simple - no matter how you split Nexus' partitions, you end up with nothing. I don't have too many apps installed (only 103), and I have 700 MB taken on /data on my MT4G. So even if you squeeze 300MB out of Nexus using Blackrose, it's still nothing.
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I thought this was the N1 forum
Sure, getting another phone will give me more NAND. But for me, getting an additional 50-100 MB is what I'm after.

Theoretically, SD controller can be faster than NAND, since NAND is slow. On newer devices with eMMC you can see this very clearly.
The problem is that eMMC use 8 bit MMC protocol, while regular SD card uses 4 bit - this is dropping the performance expectations for N1 2-fold already. Also, SD controller in Nexus One might have a system throughput bottleneck, just like its WiFi path does.
I don't think there are any ready-made measurements, but you can easily make your own. Take a big file (50MB or so), move it from /data to /sd-ext, and move it back. It'll give you a good measurement of write speed. There might be performance measurement apps in the Market, I just didn't ever look. The easiest will be just reading from the same 50MB file, from both locations, and seeing which read takes less time.
I still hang around in N1 forum, since I had this phone for a while, and I made some stuff for it, including sorting and writing a big part of the Wiki. But I don't have the phone anymore.

[Q] Water Proof, Dust Resistance & SD Card

Hi
what will happen if teardown xperia z and then ensemble it?
i mean what will happen for water proof and dust resistance of it?
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does Xperia Z support app to sd card?

Disassembling the Xperia Z is nearly impossible. I've heard that service centers will just be swapping handsets instead of trying to repair them.
The Xperia Z does not support moving apps to SD, but you can use the whole 11GB of internal memory for apps.

Apps to sd app?
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Ambroos said:
Disassembling the Xperia Z is nearly impossible. I've heard that service centers will just be swapping handsets instead of trying to repair them.
The Xperia Z does not support moving apps to SD, but you can use the whole 11GB of internal memory for apps.
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it is bad news but cause u r currently use this device we must believe but any official solution for it instead of rooting and etc ?

This is from whitepaper of Xperia Z
about Sd card thr s nothing mention no suppost for app to sd card. just it says few apps can move to SD Card.
can anyone send screen shot from application manager of xperia Z to confirm about it?! 'please!'
""SD Card (known as “/ext_card” from a programmer’s point of view, or by other names in other Android
products) is the name for the removable SD memory card in all 2013 Sony Mobile products. As
described above, this External Card memory is generally more limited in that any application can READ
from it, but many applications cannot SAVE to this card. Only a few applications, including back-up
applications and file manger applications, has the capability to save to this card.""

Again, you have 11GB of internal memory for apps. Why would you need to move even more to SD?

Ambroos said:
Again, you have 11GB of internal memory for apps. Why would you need to move even more to SD?
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if i can move apps to sd card it means more internal storage for installing apps and etc.
however 11GB is large amount of storage but more is better

x102x96x said:
if i can move apps to sd card it means more internal storage for installing apps and etc.
however 11GB is large amount of storage but more is better
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it's like money...you can never have enough! :laugh:

x102x96x said:
Hi
what will happen if teardown xperia z and then ensemble it?
i mean what will happen for water proof and dust resistance of it?
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does Xperia Z support app to sd card?
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Your warranty will be void. Dust should be fine, but no guarantee of waterproofness, same as a watch when the battery is changed. (sir would you like to do a pressure test to ensure your watch is still waterproof, "me" No thanks because if you have done a bad job of changing the battery the pressure test will screw my watch, won't it? answer YES)
Why would you need app to sd? this is no HTC Desire, 2Gb plus the remainder internal ram is a lot. Would seriously hate to scroll through your app drawer on the phone, it would take hald an hour to find anything. I am sure that developers could offer you this if they could be bothered writing the code, for a couple of people.

if thr s ability to move app2sdcard it can help phone to work smoother and softer, and maybe thr s m.second delay to launch apps from sdcard but better to have more space and more CPU performance.
however stamina mode help to have enough RAM memory but still internal memory is issue.
but maybe sony launch 32GB version of XZ or android set move to sd for apps again

x102x96x said:
if thr s ability to move app2sdcard it can help phone to work smoother and softer, and maybe thr s m.second delay to launch apps from sdcard but better to have more space and more CPU performance.
however stamina mode help to have enough RAM memory but still internal memory is issue.
but maybe sony launch 32GB version of XZ or android set move to sd for apps again
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did i get something wrong in the past?!?!
stamina=for memory? thought it's an energy saving option halting background-processes when screen goes off, and resuming them when screen is turned on again?!
phone works smoother and softer with apps on sd instead of internal memory? always thought the internal memory is way faster than any sdcard?!?
apps on sdcard boosts cpu performance? didn't know that, too. why?

hebbe said:
did i get something wrong in the past?!?!
stamina=for memory? thought it's an energy saving option halting background-processes when screen goes off, and resuming them when screen is turned on again?!
phone works smoother and softer with apps on sd instead of internal memory? always thought the internal memory is way faster than any sdcard?!?
apps on sdcard boosts cpu performance? didn't know that, too. why?
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stamina is not for memory directly but when u turn off apps and don allow them to work in background it also will empty the ram memory.

x102x96x said:
stamina is not for memory directly but when u turn off apps and don allow them to work in background it also will empty the ram memory.
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but that's the point, i thought. they aren't turned off, they're just paused by the system. and resumed when screen is turned on again. but when halting them, and then freeing some memory, then they can't resume because the processes lost their data. then it would be merely a restart than a resume?!
or am i wrong?!?

hebbe said:
but that's the point, i thought. they aren't turned off, they're just paused by the system. and resumed when screen is turned on again. but when halting them, and then freeing some memory, then they can't resume because the processes lost their data. then it would be merely a restart than a resume?!
or am i wrong?!?
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for this what i said it s not important to pause or off, cause both action will save charge and release ram memory.
for example ram in samsung devices is almost full always cause they r running background to get quick access to most used apps but sometimes we see problem to load even home screens because of it.
but sony has better operation that release memory faster and automatically. and i guess stamina mode by turning off and pausing apps will do it better than before.

x102x96x said:
for this what i said it s not important to pause or off, cause both action will save charge and release ram memory.
for example ram in samsung devices is almost full always cause they r running background to get quick access to most used apps but sometimes we see problem to load even home screens because of it.
but sony has better operation that release memory faster and automatically. and i guess stamina mode by turning off and pausing apps will do it better than before.
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saving charge is pretty logical. but i still don't get the point why pausing a thread/process frees memory? so a thread doesn't need to be paused to free its memory, this can also happen during runtime! because on both cases - halted or running - the os can only free memory which isn't used anymore.

hebbe said:
saving charge is pretty logical. but i still don't get the point why pausing a thread/process frees memory? so a thread doesn't need to be paused to free its memory, this can also happen during runtime! because on both cases - halted or running - the os can only free memory which isn't used anymore.
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yeah but sometimes memory cannot be released when running in background
to understand it better check out the task manager of ur computer OS.

Ambroos said:
Disassembling the Xperia Z is nearly impossible. I've heard that service centers will just be swapping handsets instead of trying to repair them.
The Xperia Z does not support moving apps to SD, but you can use the whole 11GB of internal memory for apps.
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There is a Xperia Z Disassembly tutorial video on youtube. Just search it on youtube as "Xperia Z Disassebly"
But I've a doubt about the back cover.
If we can open the back cover by heating, then when the phone get so hot the back cover can slide or remove. Is it possible?

Redmi 9 3/32 - Questions

Hello. I have a question regarding my phone that is constantly running out of storage space and have to use cleaner almost daily. I would like to be able to install more games and other apps but I can't do that due to low internal storage space. I bought a sd card (32 GB) in the hope of installing or moving apps to It. Unfortunately I can't do either. I moved all other files to it but it's not enough.My phone is not rooted and no free program I have tried successed (thought rooting could help). Do I have to buy a new phone to get possibility of using more amount of apps or is there another way? If I have to buy a new phone, recommend me something please. I would like to get a phone with a comparable CPU and GPU or maybe better, at least 4GB+ and 64GB of internal storage or more. It has to be a budget phone but upgrade should be viable.

Hello, I'd like to asked to if you guys also experience this:
Whenever I try to maxxed out the volume and play something whether its a video or music, the phone just reboots right after.
Idk what happened but before I noticed those kind of stuff to happen in my Redmi 9. I just previously fixed it from bootloop w/o recovery & w/o fastboot due to downgrading from MIUI 13.0.5 CN ROM to MIUI 11.0.4 GLOBAL ROM.
So I was wondering whether it was a software issue or hardware issue in this case the battery. Idk if someone had ever tried this but I've watched a similar problem got fixed in youtube w/ Redmi Note 9 instead
with soldering or reheating the fuse within the battery.

TYPICALHUMAN said:
Hello. I have a question regarding my phone that is constantly running out of storage space and have to use cleaner almost daily. I would like to be able to install more games and other apps but I can't do that due to low internal storage space. I bought a sd card (32 GB) in the hope of installing or moving apps to It. Unfortunately I can't do either. I moved all other files to it but it's not enough.My phone is not rooted and no free program I have tried successed (thought rooting could help). Do I have to buy a new phone to get possibility of using more amount of apps or is there another way? If I have to buy a new phone, recommend me something please. I would like to get a phone with a comparable CPU and GPU or maybe better, at least 4GB+ and 64GB of internal storage or more. It has to be a budget phone but upgrade should be viable.
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Before, Android can still do that transfering apps + associated data to the sd card iirc it was Jellybean. Lol
But right now you can still do that but i think you need some root access correct me if im wrong. Though that is still not advisable cause accessing those apps would be much more slower or rather laggy than installing your apps within the internal storage.
One way to not run out internal storage is to transfer all "passive/static" files like photos/music/videos to your sdcard. The ones that are left for your internal storage should be the apps only that is if you want to install more apps in your device. Also you can set where the files should be saved everytime you take photo or video or download files, and set them to sdcard.