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[Q] Rooting confusion

My brother rooted his Captivate 6 months ago or more. He kept the stock ROM, and now would like to try a custom ROM. Unfortunately, he doesn't remember much about what he did. He said he downloaded a program, plugged in his phone, and it rooted him.
I assumed that I should be able to boot into recovery and flash a ROM from there. I looked up how to boot into recovery, and tried the 'hold down vol/up and power on' approach. Instead of a recovery menu, it goes directly to some kind of update screen with this text:
movi-check start..!!
... <lines removed>
install default apk files please wait
I've searched for these lines, and cannot find why this is coming up. I did find that this should have ended with a message that the install finished, but after leaving it for 10 minutes, it seemed to just reboot. Perhaps the message did come up, and then it immediately rebooted.
Does anyone know why the phone is in this state where there is no recovery menu? If I install ROM Manager and flash ClockworkMod is that likely to work and not cause harm?

Need a little more info... is it stock 2.1 or 2.2? If it's Froyo 2.2 then the stock recovery is tricky to get around if you're new to flashing or modding.

jack man said:
Need a little more info... is it stock 2.1 or 2.2? If it's Froyo 2.2 then the stock recovery is tricky to get around if you're new to flashing or modding.
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Thanks. It is stock 2.2.
I am not new to flashing, and I'm comfortable with adb and other tools. I'm just not familiar with the Samsung Captivate.
Is the screen that comes up with 'movi_check' the stock recovery? it appears to be automatically trying to update something.

Probably just be easier to use Odin to flash stock 2.1 and root and get recovery on it. Then you can flash any (2.2) ROM you want on it, or you could use Odin or Heimdall to flash Gingerbread onto it (recommended). There are tutorials all in the development section.
Sent from my SGH-I897 using XDA App

Reamer09 said:
Probably just be easier to use Odin to flash stock 2.1 and root and get recovery on it. Then you can flash any (2.2) ROM you want on it, or you could use Odin or Heimdall to flash Gingerbread onto it (recommended). There are tutorials all in the development section.
Sent from my SGH-I897 using XDA App
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If its a newer build it wont like 2.1 (alot of newer builds bootloop with 2.1). If your captivate is one of the newer builds and has the 3e recovery here is a guide to get past it.
As to flashing Gb you will need GB bootloaders wich carries risk. Please READ on how too and risk that may happen. Its a small risk but you can hard brick the phone if you mess up bootloaders or if the booloader fails to flash.
Another option is flashing KB1 2.2 froyo and using Desing Gear's Cog 4.x.x kernel. You will have clock work mod. There's a ton of ways to do it most of wich are in the forums already so search and if you have doubts ask

prbassplayer said:
If its a newer build it wont like 2.1 (alot of newer builds bootloop with 2.1). If your captivate is one of the newer builds and has the 3e recovery here is a guide to get past it.
As to flashing Gb you will need GB bootloaders wich carries risk. Please READ on how too and risk that may happen. Its a small risk but you can hard brick the phone if you mess up bootloaders or if the booloader fails to flash.
Another option is flashing KB1 2.2 froyo and using Desing Gear's Cog 4.x.x kernel. You will have clock work mod. There's a ton of ways to do it most of wich are in the forums already so search and if you have doubts ask
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It crossed my mind that newer builds wouldn't like 2.1, but I wasn't 100%, that's why I recommended going to GB. Just reading the instructions a few times and being prepared the risk is very low to hard brick. Just make sure to know exactly what you're doing when you choose which files for the primary and secondary boot loaders.

But said person is asking info on something as simple as rooting, Hence there are easier less evasive ways to get past 3e.

prbassplayer said:
But said person is asking info on something as simple as rooting, Hence there are easier less evasive ways to get past 3e.
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Just to clarify, I'm not asking about rooting, but about flashing and the recovery console. I'm an EVO user, and I just don't know the idiosyncrasies of the Captivate.
Am I correct that the messages I get when trying to go to recovery (starting with movi_check start) are normal, and that after those messages I should get the recovery console? If so, it seems to be stuck on the "install default apk files please wait" step, as this doesn't seem to complete.
I do see the steps on how to flash, and can follow them carefully, but since I am not getting the recovery console, I am not sure what might be wrong.

glenwill said:
Just to clarify, I'm not asking about rooting, but about flashing and the recovery console. I'm an EVO user, and I just don't know the idiosyncrasies of the Captivate.
Am I correct that the messages I get when trying to go to recovery (starting with movi_check start) are normal, and that after those messages I should get the recovery console? If so, it seems to be stuck on the "install default apk files please wait" step, as this doesn't seem to complete.
I do see the steps on how to flash, and can follow them carefully, but since I am not getting the recovery console, I am not sure what might be wrong.
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You can't flash a rom with stock recovery. You need clockwork mod wich can be achieve by using rom manager (needs root) or flashign with Odin a kernel that has it built in

prbassplayer said:
You can't flash a rom with stock recovery. You need clockwork mod wich can be achieve by using rom manager (needs root) or flashign with Odin a kernel that has it built in
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Thanks for your help. I do understand I can't flash with stock recovery.
Both the 'Read BEFORE flashing' and the 'How to Install a custom ROM' guides instruct to install clockwork mod. I am aware that installing a new recovery needs to be done before flashing on probably any device.
I guess my primary confusion was whether the 'movi_check start' verbage is normal to see when I am trying to go to Recovery before installing Clockwork. Another google search finally found a hit that says it is normal to see this. I'm still not clear whether I should be concerned that it hangs on the "install default apk files" step.
Since it hangs, I don't ever get any kind of recovery menu, so it wasn't obvious to me that I was actually in the stock recovery.
Assuming this doesn't indicate any issues, I'll proceed with the instructions and all should be well.

Well I hope you are able to work it out. ^^

Clockwork Issue

I used SuperOneClick to root my phone, and now I'm looking through the Captivate Guide to see what else I can do with an unrooted phone. I started with Rom Manager.
So I clicked "Flash Clockwork Mod Recovery," and it was fine. I select my phone (Galaxy S - Captivate, not the Captivate MTD). I pressed "Backup Current ROM," but when I press "Okay," it restarts my phone to the blue menu. So I press "reset phone now," and I try to start from the beginning again. According to the guide, it says to restart it until it works. It's rebooting each time instead with no change. When I go to manage and restore backups, nothing is listed.
When I load up Rom Manager, under "Flash Clockwork Mod Recovery," it just says
"Current recovery: Clockwork mod 2.5.1.2
Latest Recovery: Clockwork mod 2.5.1.2"
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I'm using stock 2.2 Froyo and GO Launcher with Cartoon Theme (if that matters).
I've already tried TRusselo's method regarding the 3e issue with stock 2.2 phones: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052991
Do I need SGS Kernel Flasher? If so, what kernel do I need?
/EDIT: Check my post 5 for my latest issue.

Why not just flash a KB1 kernel with cwm in it? I know Desing Gears cog 4.x.x kernels works, and probably eXistZ's kb1 kernel as well. They have cwm cooked in the + few other things like Voodoo, etc.
Also I believe your supposed to click install package as well. I could be wrong since its been a long while since I've used that method.

prbassplayer said:
Why not just flash a KB1 kernel with cwm in it? I know Desing Gears cog 4.x.x kernels works, and probably eXistZ's kb1 kernel as well. They have cwm cooked in the + few other things like Voodoo, etc.
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I'm much too amateur with phones to do that.
The only reason I decided to finally root my phone was because my warranty is up, and because I found TheUnlocker's youtube account + Captivate guide. I figured with step-by-step instructions, there's no way I could screw up. Boy, was I wrong.

Dude...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1232703 and then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236891
If you dont want Victory ROM then at least install Boogs Kernel and enjoy Clockwork Recovery!
Steve

Stevenrogers_420 said:
Dude...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1232703 and then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236891
If you dont want Victory ROM then at least install Boogs Kernel and enjoy Clockwork Recovery!
Steve
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I plan to use Cyanogenmod 7 eventually. The reason I haven't flashed a ROM is because I'm not 100% sure how yet. That's why I'm taking lots of small steps.
A lot of these ROMs also mention Odin, which I didn't use. I used SuperOneClick.
I went online and tried to flash my phone according to this guy's steps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KvCxdYZ0nk
Okay, so even though I followed all of his steps, I get to the part where I'm supposed to find the MIUI file in my SD card, and it doesn't exist... even though I transferred it over. How come my phone doesn't recognize it? Phone is barely functional at the moment after I flashed it back to 2.1, and I'm encountering a lot of lag/bugs. If I plug in my phone to my computer without Debugging on, it fails to download drivers.
Does anyone know the best fix out of this situation?

[Q] Can Rooting a Device in a Particular Way Matter?

I have a Samsung Captivate, and keep seeing people talk about CF-Root(I believe it's a program that roots so correct me if I'm wrong). I rooted my Samsung Captivate using Superoneclick. I want to flash Onecosmic's ICS rom for the Samsung Captivate, but people keep mentioning CF-Root. Do I have to unroot, and then re root using CF-Root? Or Since I now have CWM on Android 2.2(rooted stock) can I simply flash CM7, and then flash One Cosmic's Rc3.1 rom. Also can I flash CM7 from Android 2.2, or do I have to down date android back to eclair and then flash CM7. Thank everyone so much, and please help me move this to the correct area if it has already been made before. I searched on XDA and found nothing about "rooting different methods". Thanks again.

Rooted is rooted. If you have cwm then it doesn't matter what os you're on, in fact if you would have just flashed a custom kernel with Odin that has cwm compiled into it you wouldn't even need to root to flash a ROM.

gamerjunglejosh said:
I have a Samsung Captivate, and keep seeing people talk about CF-Root(I believe it's a program that roots so correct me if I'm wrong). I rooted my Samsung Captivate using Superoneclick. I want to flash Onecosmic's ICS rom for the Samsung Captivate, but people keep mentioning CF-Root. Do I have to unroot, and then re root using CF-Root? Or Since I now have CWM on Android 2.2(rooted stock) can I simply flash CM7, and then flash One Cosmic's Rc3.1 rom. Also can I flash CM7 from Android 2.2, or do I have to down date android back to eclair and then flash CM7. Thank everyone so much, and please help me move this to the correct area if it has already been made before. I searched on XDA and found nothing about "rooting different methods". Thanks again.
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Like Studacris said, root is root. You can also flash CM7 from Froyo. HOWEVER, if you don't already have CWM recovery (which is not the same as being rooted, and I suspect you don't actually have), you won't be able to flash CM7 from where you are now.
If you actually have CWM, you can just flash CM7 from 2.2. If you don't, follow the instructions here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Captivate:_Full_Update_Guide
to get CM7 and go from there.
Studacris is right, flashing a kernel (any kernel) with CWM from Odin or Heimdall is the easiest way to go, and then use that kernel's CWM to flash from there. Because of Froyo's 3e recovery, rooting it doesn't gain you much in the way of flashing ROMs because the stock recovery isn't going to let you flash anything anyway, rooted or not.

I am rooted, and I actually do have CWM installed( 3 button combo works), but do I need to install CWM the way it says, or is using rom manager to do it ok?. I've rooted 3 inspires and have put the Revolution HD Rom on them. Just didn't want to mess up this Samsung. Thanks for the helpful comments.

ROM manager does more harm than good. Just get cwm and your golden. (by update.zip or kernel with it baked in. 3e recovery won't use update.zip)

gamerjunglejosh said:
I am rooted, and I actually do have CWM installed( 3 button combo works), but do I need to install CWM the way it says, or is using rom manager to do it ok?. I've rooted 3 inspires and have put the Revolution HD Rom on them. Just didn't want to mess up this Samsung. Thanks for the helpful comments.
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This is what I was trying to explain. Just because you can get to the recovery console does not mean you have clockworkmod, unfortunately.
You have to install it the way the directions say to. You can try using ROM Manager, but it won't work on 2.2. You will get a signature verification error and it will stop. You can try it if you want, you won't mess anything up, it just won't work.
If you really think you already have it, reboot into recovery. If you have it, it will say "ClockworkMod Recovery Version x.x.xxx" across the top. If it does, just flash CM7 from there with the "Install Zip From SD" option. If it says "Samsung 3e Recovery" and doesn't have that option, you don't have CWM and you won't be able to flash anything from there, including a CWM installer.
As far as ROM Manager is concerned, I would recommend steering clear of it in general. It worked well in 2.1 but you can't use it to install CWM in anything since then and you tend to get odd behavior with it when using it to do anything else. Follow the ClockworkMod directions, I have used them several times with no issues.

Thanks apbthe3, you were 100% correct. I see that I have to flash a new kernel with CWM built in, thanks. I thought that it looked differennt than the CWM ON MY INSPIRE so I checked and it didn't load up CWM. Thanks again.
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[Q] ClockwordMod Recovery for Captivate

Samsung Captivate
GB 2.3.7
Cyanogen 7.1.0
Interested in flashing Cyanogen Nightly Builds in hopes of fixing a few bugs, so I used ROM Manager to try to backup current rom.
I get a message saying I must have ClockworkMod Recovery installed before continuing, and that I can install it through ROM Manager.
When I click install and choose Samsung Captivate from the drop-down menu, I get a message saying Samsung Captivate does not have an officially supported ClockworkMod Recovery yet.
What’s my next move?

First, Uninstall ROM manager it hasn't really worked since Android 2.1
So...you're on cm7.1 now? Just hold the power button and boot into recovery.... "backup and restore" is the section you're gonna use to make a nandroid.
If you're on stock you'll need to flash a custom kernel using Odin to get cwm before you can flash anything.

Thanks
Yeah, forgot about the issues I had with Rom Manager and Captivate while I was trying to flash cm7. It is now uninstalled. Also, didn't realize "backup" was an option in recovery menu. Finished with that part. Still not sure if flashing cm7 nightly builds is the way to go. Unclear about what I may lose in the process. Still reading up on it. Thanks again.

cbnuthak said:
Yeah, forgot about the issues I had with Rom Manager and Captivate while I was trying to flash cm7. It is now uninstalled. Also, didn't realize "backup" was an option in recovery menu. Finished with that part. Still not sure if flashing cm7 nightly builds is the way to go. Unclear about what I may lose in the process. Still reading up on it. Thanks again.
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You won't lose anything, and it's the way to go. Flash ahead.

So reboot into recovery, choose install from sd card, find the file and flash it? Seems straight forward enough. Thanks

cbnuthak said:
So reboot into recovery, choose install from sd card, find the file and flash it? Seems straight forward enough. Thanks
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Yes, exactly like that. Additionally, it's always a good idea to do a nandroid in case anything goes wrong
Sent from my CM9 ICS i897 Captivate

OK. Done. Everything looks the same. Time will tell if any of the minor problems I was having have been fixed.
On another note, Rom Manager mysteriously reappeared among my apps. If Rom Manager doesn't support Captivate, why is it included in cm7 nightly builds? Also, can't figure out how to uninstall it like I did previously. I guess it's not hurting anything, just sitting there.

Never mind. I see how to uninstall it using Titanium.

[Q] (Q) How to upgrade P1000 to ICS W/out flashing or w/out PC

How to upgrade P1000 to ICS using custom rom with
out a PC?
HELP PLEASE
PDA: XXJQ1
PHONE: XXJPZ
CSC: OXAJQ1
gingerbread.

I presume it was not rooted and has no custom recovery either?

well if you are rooted on a stock rom and have a valid Custom Recovery - such as overcome team, you can actually do it using GOO MANAGER (Available via Play Store - Or Market). Still, you need to be very careful not to brick your tab. You need at to read and follow threads on ICS (CM9 based). You should also understand that ICS has 2 different systems.. therefore read about what MTD is and EXT is.
If you are NOT rooted, and do not have Custom Recovery -- (Or don't even know what they mean).. it's like asking how to turn a Stone into a Diamond.
the pre-requisite of installing ICS on P1000 is (Learn it by heart):
1. Rooting
2. Install a custom Recovery (or you can install Overcome Kernel).
3. Understand about: RFS, EXT, and MTD.
4. Read threads by the CM9 team.
When you have done all those, you are ready to install. The only time you will need to use ODIN is when you install Overcome Kernel.
Note: Step 1 and 2 can be replaced by installing GB Stock Safe ROM on Overcome Team website. -- search around for it on the DEV forum.
Downloading the ICS ROM, and even flashing it can be done from GOO Manager (on your tab).

yeah.... i have rooted my phone,
priyana said:
I presume it was not rooted and has no custom recovery either?
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Yes!!! My phone is rooted

yes!! i have root!!
yappoe said:
well if you are rooted on a stock rom and have a valid Custom Recovery - such as overcome team, you can actually do it using GOO MANAGER (Available via Play Store - Or Market). Still, you need to be very careful not to brick your tab. You need at to read and follow threads on ICS (CM9 based). You should also understand that ICS has 2 different systems.. therefore read about what MTD is and EXT is.
If you are NOT rooted, and do not have Custom Recovery -- (Or don't even know what they mean).. it's like asking how to turn a Stone into a Diamond.
the pre-requisite of installing ICS on P1000 is (Learn it by heart):
1. Rooting
2. Install a custom Recovery (or you can install Overcome Kernel).
3. Understand about: RFS, EXT, and MTD.
4. Read threads by the CM9 team.
When you have done all those, you are ready to install. The only time you will need to use ODIN is when you install Overcome Kernel.
Note: Step 1 and 2 can be replaced by installing GB Stock Safe ROM on Overcome Team website. -- search around for it on the DEV forum.
Downloading the ICS ROM, and even flashing it can be done from GOO Manager (on your tab).
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Haha!! Turning rock into a diamond!! Funny
Thanks! I have rroot and I have read the threads at the development section,
And I have read in the AOKP 4.0.4 to go to overcome web page, which is my problem....
I do not understand what do I have to do in the overcome website.
I believe I currently have a stock ROM installed gingerbread 2.3.3
What I do next??

If you are already rooted, what you actually need to do is just download the Overcome Kernel on the website and flash it (and if I remember correctly, you will need to use ODIN on this -- but trust me it's not as difficult as it sounds -- in fact it will be over in less than 3 minutes).
Next,
If you are thinking of installing the AOKP, you can't get that from GOO Manager.
You will need to download the zip file from AOKP thread to your phone - can be done directly without PC, and flash you from CWM recovery menu (Power + Volume Up)
on the recovery menu, select "Install from SD Card".
Please remember to backup everything before installing new ROM.
Please Don't forget to do Factory Wipe and Cache Wipe before flashing. (I remember they have it in their scripts, but better safe than sorry).
During install of the latest build (MTD), you will be in a loop and your tab would seem to be bricked.. just reboot it back to the recovery menu, and redo the install. (it's specified in the threads if you read carefully).
You will enjoy your new ICS, as if you just bought a new tablet.
--Sorry for the early joke -- I do have a weird sense of humor

thanks pal!!!
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If you are already rooted, what you actually need to do is just download the Overcome Kernel on the website and flash it (and if I remember correctly, you will need to use ODIN on this -- but trust me it's not as difficult as it sounds -- in fact it will be over in less than 3 minutes).
Next,
If you are thinking of installing the AOKP, you can't get that from GOO Manager.
You will need to download the zip file from AOKP thread to your phone - can be done directly without PC, and flash you from CWM recovery menu (Power + Volume Up)
on the recovery menu, select "Install from SD Card".
Please remember to backup everything before installing new ROM.
Please Don't forget to do Factory Wipe and Cache Wipe before flashing. (I remember they have it in their scripts, but better safe than sorry).
During install of the latest build (MTD), you will be in a loop and your tab would seem to be bricked.. just reboot it back to the recovery menu, and redo the install. (it's specified in the threads if you read carefully).
You will enjoy your new ICS, as if you just bought a new tablet.
--Sorry for the early joke -- I do have a weird sense of humor
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Hey again...... hahaha
I like to know if I flashed the overcome kernel, I will have the ICS instantly?? Without doing anything else??
And I would like to know also about the GOO manager and how do I have ics with that thanks!!!

Restock?
Do i have to restock?

No and no.
You don't get ics by flashing overcome.
No you should not need restock. Although it is preferred to restock using overcome package
But you need a PC since you need Odin.
Basically
1) restock or have a good base gb rom.
2) use Odin to flash just overcome kernel.
3) boot into cwm recovery that is included in overcome kernel.
4) flash aokp or cm9 from sdcard using cwm
5) flash gapps.
Sent from my GT-P1000 using XDA

@priyana
Thank you very much!!!!!!
Now my mind's clear!!
Can I use the mobile version Odin? I found it on the play storw.

I have never used it. If it is as good as it advertise then it should do the job.
Sent from my GT-P1000 using XDA

Btw,
If you need overcome guide and missing the images on the website,
Look at this post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20974872
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I downloaded it just now and it looks like it will work! Ill go ahead and give it a try!!

Hey!! It works!!! Now I flashed the overcome kernel & i now have cwm recovery! Thanks!
(i used the mobile ODIN)
Then? What do I do next? Which do u prefer? AOKP or the CM9 ROM?

congrats.
Very encouraging indeed. I might consider getting mobile Odin, to escape the hassle of using a PC too. Nice find.
I am on AOKP Milestone #5.
But it seems like CM9 has quite a few things going now, like a deep sleep thing that save batts, and also there is a Pdroid patch for it, that won't work with AOKP.
But AOKP has nice ROM Control tweaks.
Your pick.
Remember to put them on sdcard together with gapps.
One thing you should note:
when you flash the ICS package, your tab will reboot to recovery again (some mistook it as a brick-like boot loop). It is actually booting into the recovery that comes with the the ICS flash.
It will be slightly different from the Overcome one,
and the external sd will be called internal sd instead. (at least that is what I found in AOKP, but I think both uses Humberos CWM recovery).
So choose to flash from "internal sd" even though it is external.
then after flash complete, flash the gapps.

Thank you, thank u sooooo much!! Haha
hey, i decided 2 go w/ the AOKP ROM.
which should I download?
The milestone 5 ROM?
or the build #33 ROM?
And what is gapps?

milestone #5 of course. that is the latest.
gapps is google apps: google Play Store, Google Finance, (used to be google Maps and Gmail, but more and more being made available via Play)
Google forbids people packaging their apps into a ROM unless it is mod of stock rom that already has it (like overcome is a mod if JQ1 rom).
You can find links to gapps in Stimp0z first post.
Do read the first 3 post and revisit it again later as it made more sense after you have played with AOKP for a while. That will avoid unnecessarily asking noob questions in the thread.
You can also get gapps from here
http://goo.im/gapps/
look for the gapps-ics-......
naturally grab the latest, but in fact older one is fine, and will likely get updated by Play once you are online.

Thank you priyana 4 ur help & support!
I will do the update now w/ AOKP Milestone 5 & update u later if it is sucessful or it bricked my tab!!!
Bye 4 now )

Heyyyy. Im DOWNLOADING the AOKP ROM many times, but its unsucessful!! What should I do?

Is it because you are downloading straight to tab.
Maybe the cache space not enough.
Better download on a PC and put to sdcard.
Anyway, hold back a day or two.
Build #35 coming.
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