I haven't seen any ROM updates or development news in some time. I was planning on getting the Nexus anyways, but I at least wanted the phone to have life after I passed it on.
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I've been waiting and hoping. I like my bionic a lot.
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We have liberty, that's enough for me. Liberty was all I ran (I tried others but always went back) on my Droid X, with my thunderbolt I only ran BAMF roms. I would like to see more customizable options like power control widget in the notification pull down.
Unfoetinitaly I agree. Having had the evo 4G and the thunderbolt, Dev for this phone seems dead.
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I disagree. Liberty was released just a few weeks ago, the the30ry dev has released two new ROMS, one of which was just updated yesterday, and eclipse will have a 5.7.893 update here soon. In addition, there are devs working to get ICS working on the bionic, and a CM7 project (although I don't know if that's in the works any longer as they have announced CM9 for January). I will say that few of these devs seem to be active on XDA any more, they're all on droidforums and rootzwiki. But they're out there.
It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.
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It sounds more like the OP is abandoning the Bionic, not the devs.
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And I never tried to deny it. However, I'm passing on the phone to my girlfriend, and I didn't want her to be SOL when it came to the best part of owning an Android device.
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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.
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I think this is just part of the "downtime" between releases. We have an OTA on the way that may or may not have additional compared to whats leaked so a lot of devs IMO are waiting for that OTA to come out and then will update their Roms accordingly.
In addition a lot of 3rd party Roms use CM as a base so until CM is finished being ported to the Bionic, this front will probably remain dead. Once we see CM7 done and CM9 starting, i think you'll start to see a bunch of new roms pop up.
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You're probably right.
Surely the parade of better more exciting devices isn't helping.
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Hmm.....
We're supposed to get the OTA and ICS....No???
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I feel the same way about the Photon, but we are making progress too.
Have you guys been able to unlock your bootloaders without loosing LTE? If so, you are at an advantage, but how many of you have developers with this phone?
There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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I understand, I am going through the same thing with my Photon, on Sprint, the Now Network.
The devs definitely haven't given up, the Th3ory T3am is working on getting CM9 to boot and a couple of devs over at DF are going through the source code to see if they can unlock the bootloader right now.
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There is a locked bootloader. The excellent devs have done most of what can be done without that being unlocked. They are not lazy, they just did so well that there is nothing to change until the bootloader is unlocked or motor/Verizon push ics.
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A locked BL isn't as big of a hindrance as people think ... really all it stops you from doing is running a custom kernel. You can still make custom roms and over/underclock. Sure it's not ideal bc you have to deal with 2nd init to run CM but otherwise there is still a lot of flexibility. Liberty, Th3ory and eclipse are perfect testaments to that.
it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on
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it isn't as long as Motorola continues to create roms with kernals for the newest version of android and only as long as it is rootable. The min one of those two things stop happaning we will need kernel access to continue on
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That's a good point. I would hope that at that point they would at least have the decency to unlock our BL... but who.knows. I'm holding out hope for project cheesecake ... yum I can smell the creamy goodness...
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The Razr came out, all hyped up, and now half of what you see on the forums is talking about how it's not that much different than the Bionic, and it clearly becomes a subjective issue, mainly based on form factor and pentile rgbw/lcd (bionic) vs pentile rgbg/samoled (razr).
The Gnex will likely be similar once it comes out and people realize that its not that much better either. It has pure ICS, but I bet we'll be seeing some of that by the time the Gnex is released anyway - at least some roms based on that source anyway.
Droid 4 is literally a Razr with a kb.
Rezound is great as well, but nothing tremendously better than these others.
My point is this... All of these new phones have something positive and something negative about them. I don't see any good reason why developers would stop supporting the bionic, as it is technically in the same league as all of these other phones. I don't think I'm being too much of an idealist ... at least that's my hope
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I feel as if the phone is forgotten no one seems to want this phone rooted only the users. I understand its hard to root but I have not seen any one other then the people in the can this root it thread want to rom it. Like the incredible 2 not much of an upgrade I think from the incredible 1 and I see large dev support. Does any one think the D3 is worth support from the likes of cyanogen or miui or even new developers
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I feel as if the phone is forgotten no one seems to want this phone rooted only the users. I understand its hard to root but I have not seen any one other then the people in the can this root it thread want to rom it. Like the incredible 2 not much of an upgrade I think from the incredible 1 and I see large dev support. Does any one think the D3 is worth support from the likes of cyanogen or miui or even new developers
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Forgotten? You know, it's bigger than you think for people who want to modify the software of this phone. Just because there are only a few threads on deving it doesn't mean jack. This phone is tough to mod simply because of the flags in place that keeps any script from getting raised permissions to root. There are no ROMs as of yet because the bootloader is locked.
It will take awhile to find an exploit in the Droid 3 to get root or get it unlocked whether it be by mod, a leaked sbf, or Motorola releasing the sbf itself.
With the OG Droid nearing the 2 year mark I imagine many of these users will either get the Droid 3 or wait for the Bionic. The Bionic will also have Android 2.3.4 and some similar hardware so any knowledge gained trying to root the Bionic will help in trying to root the Droid 3. I imagine once the Bionic is released we will see a lot of activity and hopefully a root for both phones.
I hope so its just I hardly assisting in the process. If I had my linux laptop up and running then I would help sadly I do not
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With the OG Droid nearing the 2 year mark I imagine many of these users will either get the Droid 3 or wait for the Bionic. The Bionic will also have Android 2.3.4 and some similar hardware so any knowledge gained trying to root the Bionic will help in trying to root the Droid 3. I imagine once the Bionic is released we will see a lot of activity and hopefully a root for both phones.
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Bionic development for aosp will be tough due to the RIL, something every LTE phone has struggled with. Hopefully things will be sorted out by then. I know the TBolt community has come a long way but still no miui.
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I don't think it will be forgotten. It got like zero press prior to release, likely because its not LTE. But, it doesn't matter for me because I won't have LTE available where I live for quit a while.
Forums are pretty quiet, but once root is possible, I have a feeling there will be a lot more chatter.
It's only been out around here for a week ... (Ontario Canada)
Forgotten?? Lmao....its being worked on every day by many devs. It will come. E patient.
Please sweet baby jesus of android devs, please root, please make it easy for this dude, so I can rid it of the metric ton of bloatware
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Patience guys and gals, this is not like that other popular phone that usually get root (jailbreak as they call it ) no later than 24 hours of release.
Hopefully Motorola will give us some liberty and provide way to unlock the boot loader just like they did with the Atrix. Soon please !
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VOTE AGAIN ROUND TWO!
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?7634-Round-2-Battle-for-the-Bionic-Dev-Giveaway
Vote for RevNumbers
He did a great job on Droid 2 and it would be great to have him with cvpcs working on the bionic
Been using CM7 for awhile on Fascinate and Droid, I am still hmm not quiet sure I want to put CM on Bionic...soo much bugs, so unstable..eheheh
Bump! The race is close, single digits close! Help Rev over the top!
BUMP FOR ROUND two
Why the heck not, I love CM7, BUMP
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For anyone who wants CM7 on their bionic, I highly recommend going the extra mile to register with the site, if you are not already, because if the CM7 team has the bionic, it can finnaly be developed for
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CVPCS already has a bionic, and has been working on it since about launch day. He had it booted in about a day.
This phone will get CM7 no matter who you vote for. If I were you guys, I would vote for a non CM7 person (like Nitro or Liquid) so we can get some variety.
Just my 2 cents...
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CVPCS already has a bionic, and has been working on it since about launch day. He had it booted in about a day.
This phone will get CM7 no matter who you vote for. If I were you guys, I would vote for a non CM7 person (like Nitro or Liquid) so we can get some variety.
Just my 2 cents...
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Those guys are already out of the running. There was a tie between Rev and Framework earlier today and there's now a 1v1 vote up to be the tie breaker.
And then along came Debbie Downer:
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Ok, I see lots of "cm7 ftw" type comments. I thought my post in the other thread would be enough, but maybe it should be said again.
AOSP/MIUI will not come to this phone anytime in the foreseeable future. Let me break it down like this.
Remember on the Evo back before shinzul and toast got wimax working? We are kinda in the same position again. Here we are, faced with devices that contain a totally new form of data. One that isn't available in the aosp repos. One that we have no reference code for. One that the code is different for on each lte device.
Your first question is probably, "Well they did it on the Thunderbolt, why not the Bionic?" Fair question, and seeing as we got aosp and lte on that device witgout the help of cm, I think I'm in a position to answer it. The thunderbolt runs a qualcomm chip, unlike the charge and the bionic. Qulacomm has this nifty little site called Code Aurora Forums. CAF is where all the lte code came from. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but neither slayher nor xoomdev wrote 99% of the lte code. The difficult part with the bolt was making it all work with our existing rom code.
This code WILL NOT work on non qualcomm devices, I would hope that goes without saying.
So where's that leave us you ask? SOL. Or **** out of luck for those of you who don't know l33t sp3ak.
Remember my comment about wimax and team w1n? Those guys literally wrote the wimax code FROM SCRATCH. And it took FOREVER. The evo just got wimax on aosp months ago, and how long was the device out for?
What's this all actually mean you ask? It means don't expect with one of these guys to bring miui or cm7 or anything non blur based to this device. Not that I think either of these guys arent amazing devs, they both are. No disrespect to either one, but I think even they would agree that they aren't up to the challange of writing lte literally from nothing.
Also, one more thing on the wimax-evo/lte-bionic comparison. Yea, before the evo got wimax, it still had 3g and was a perfectly functional Rom. In this case its going to be a little different.
DISCLAIMER
The follow statements are the only thing in this post I ccannot 100% back up. I'm 99% of their correctness, but could be wrong.
With my experience with lte, its all or nothing. You don't get working 3g and no 4g. You get it all or you get basically an ipodtouch. Nothing but wifi.
Now, someone did mention that the bionic has seperate radios, unlike the bolt. They used this as an argument that 3g can be fixed before 4g is made to work. My argument against that is to look at the current cm7 build for the bionic. No data. No 3g. Data is RARELY an obstacle for aosp on devices. Usually only when something weird is going on, like what Samsung does, or where lte is involved.
Again, I could be wrong. But I doubt it.
Tldr : Quit expecting aosp on this device. And if you ***** out whoever wins for not getting aosp booted, I will personally print out this post, find you and shove it down your throat.
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The only reason it hurts so much is because it's likely 100% true :'(
Why would I want anyone wasting their time on CM7 for Bionic? I know that it's fun to get hold of lots of new ROMs and spend all your free time every evening trying new ones, but it's going to take a while and in the meantime, there's this Ice Cream Sandwich thing (anybody else heard of it) that's coming out.
Love the CM offerings; CM7 was fun on my Eris... but would be as enticing as Eclair with modded Sense on my Bionic! Anybody have a good reason to pursue this further aside from new toys???
The more the merrier?
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And then along came Debbie Downer:
The only reason it hurts so much is because it's likely 100% true :'(
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All he's really saying is don't be a c*nt if one or the other comes out with nothing immediately. Understand what's what going in, etc.
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All he's really saying is don't be a c*nt if one or the other comes out with nothing immediately. Understand what's what going in, etc.
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Its a new technology naturally it will take longer to figure out ^_^
Coming from the Charge I am a bit surprised art the lack of roMs and themes fir the bionic considering popularity of the phone. anybody else??
It takes time to make ruins especially since they had to crack the bootloader first but there will be more as time goes on. For the time being though [R3] BLURR3D is great and [D3] BLURR3D is currently in beta phase
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i'm switching from a Thunderbolt to a Bionic later in the week. i am a bit spoiled with all the roms/radios available for the Thunderbolt, but i did have an Incredible 2 since launch and remember the long wait before anything was available for that. so i have no problem waiting a while for things to get going with the Bionic.
Yea tbolt spoiled me. The x was also a long wait but well worthed.
Just hoping the project cheesecake or 2nd Init gets ported. Would love to see this cute puppy turn mean.
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I'm actually impressed by the speed in which the bionic has received support from very good devs, especially since we have a locked bl.
Prob cuz it's a sick phone out the box. Root it,Blackout the status bar and your straight.
the Charge, uh, not so much..
My .02
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Devs have moto. But even with lock bl u can theme rom oc swap radios. Just can't touch kernal. Its not really that bad
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Yea tbolt spoiled me. The x was also a long wait but well worthed.
Just hoping the project cheesecake or 2nd Init gets ported. Would love to see this cute puppy turn mean.
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Coming from the X I was disappointed in the lack of development (not that it was that bad but I expected a phone with an unlocked bootloader to have more support than the X) I remeber more roms on the X than there was on the bolt. I was also surprised by the limited development for the Bionic, but it is early and maybe we haven't heard from everyone working on it yet, but Liberty is on the Bionic so I don't really care if we don't get many more roms.
I mean, is the d4 going to be overlooked due to the new razr hype?
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i have faith in the Devs that we will see stuff. Even if at first it is ports from the Razar as the hardware is almost identical. Right now there are a few ROMs that are out, but without the files to factory restore a lot of us are not yet wanting to take the risk of loading custom ROMS.
Thats where i stand. Ive only rooted thus far. I went to motorola without doing my homework. Ive had htc phones in the past and loved the roms available for sense. But when i look at the droid roms it seems they must not be as "popular" as the ones for htc sense. But then again i havent participated in the forum scene enough to research yet.
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Sometimes it just take a little longer for them to come out on Motorola but we do get custom ROMs. Once the recovery files are leaked for the Droid 4 fast boot system then I believe we will start to see many more ROMs.
CM9 for Droid 4
I know that the CM9 ICS ROM that hashcode is developing is still in beta stage but honestly that ROM is very stable. I have been using it for over a week testing all the various hardware functions and they all work fine. I was very impressed with it. No major issues with it at all. Just some very minor issues with the software.
whiteout is right.... hashcode's ICS (both CM9 and AOKP) work almost flawlessly for me. I have used both, and they both have everything working, including front facing camera now! with only little bugs here and there that will be worked out shortly.
keep in mind, this phone has only been out for a month, and there are no stock recovery files out there for us if we really eff somthing up.
dont know about you, but i am thrilled with the development so far and LOVING my ICS experience on the droid4.
I know how you feel; this happened to the Droid 2 thanks to the Droid X, but I think it's safe to say that is not the case here. Actually, for there to be a nearly stable ROM for a phone within a month of it being released, is pretty darn awesome! I think the only reason we haven't seen, say, a CM7.1 ROM yet is because everyone is busy working on CM9.
Side note; since we do have all the drivers, is it possible for someone to get CM7.1 compiled for the phone? I suspect this would not take much work for someone who knows what they're doing, and it would be a nice step up from stock for those of us who actually need to keep a stable phone until CM9 is ready.
I really like roms that also add alot of visuals like change the look of the phone
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I can tell you that at the moment we have two good Android ICS roms in the works, I don't know if those will have many visual options.
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Sometimes it just take a little longer for them to come out on Motorola but we do get custom ROMs. Once the recovery files are leaked for the Droid 4 fast boot system then I believe we will start to see many more ROMs.
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I sure hope we get a good stock recovery file soon. I boot-loop bricked my D4 with careless use of Titanium Backup PRO (moving around system Dalvik cache, deleting rather than freezing stock bloat apps, etc.). Since factory resetting hasn't help, I assume I've trashed the system core and need to reflash from stock... which I guess hasn't been released yet. Sigh.
I just got my Droid 4 a few days ago, and quickly tried the ICS/CM9 ROM, and while it still has some kinks to work out, it definatly has a strong following, and Im sure we will get more things in the future.
I haven't seen much on roms lately. All the one's out here aren't stable either. We only have a couple fully working roms and none of them are being update. If I get a new phone any suggestions on what it should be to take advantage of the most fully functional roms?
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I found Liberty ROM to be quite stable, and while I don't want to jinx it, I've been running Maverick 4.0 for a day or so and it seems great!
If the bootloader ever gets unlocked, it will open up more kernel dev options (for the genius' out there!) which could open up more/better ROM possibilities for us (fingers crossed).
I don't think I'll be upgrading to another phone until a new physical keyboard model comes out. And hopefully it's quad-core with at least a gig of RAM. (512mb on my XT860 has been killing me) ;D
Unfortunately I dont think the kernel will ever be unlocked on our phones... that's Motorola for you.
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But now it's Google...we may get lucky
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Ever since they switched to the nightlies and stopped posting new beta's on here It slowed down, IMO.
I'm happy with Mavrom 4.0 I guess, but would've loved to see hashcode etc. focussing on getting video on ICS, rather than adding features etc. Other ROM makers could've tried that. Who cares about advanced settings when you can't even record a video?
Google is going to probably sell Motorola hardware section to Huawei and keep the core just as legal requirements. Also, they said they are not going to interfere with Motorola decisions on their products. Google only bought Motorola for their parents, nothing more, nothing less.
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Exactly ... but I don't want this to be a Motorola bash... even tho its easy to do... lol... so for now I would like to see a list of roms that are fully functional. I'm on liberty and I keep going back to that just because everything works... what other roms are in this category. And I agree that a extra features aren't important till a fully or close to fully completely working roms is in place. What's the point of all the bells and whistles if you can't even use the basic functions of a phone.. don't get me wrong now. I love trying new roms but it becomes a downer when you get one that has cool extras but you end up going back to a working rom for taking video or watching Netflix .... even if your on safestrap to go back to that functional rom. And the other question is if I change phones what would be a good phone to go to just for rom purposes ...
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The problem iswith the hardware codes and drivers. Every phone probably has this problem with ics. They add more features cause this is almost impossible. The attic has a really good developer support. I would definitely go back yo it if I could but I had nothing but problems with mine. Anyone know how to make a rom? I wanna get into it.
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The attic has a really good developer support.
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I assume you mean Atrix instead of attic?
The real issue to all of the problems is the bootloader. When you can customize the kernel to fit your rom you pretty much take care of any problems. Not to say there aren't roms with custom kernels that don't have issues .... there are but thats due to other things. Programming or incompatibly issues. All of our roms are franken roms held together by bungee cords and duct tape. The devs do a great job with what they have at hand so when time comes for them to build a rom on a phone with a unlocked bootloader, I don't blame them.. much more freedom and the ability to create awesome roms the way they want. All the stable roms we have are just built around the original with some cleaning up and a splash of color... I wonder what it feels like to know when you pick a rom no matter what it is and you know its going to work and the only reason you don't stick with it is because you don't like the way it looks or it doesn't have a extra you want... how sweet.
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Yeah... it was good when i had my Desire Z. All kinds of roms for that thing!
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