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hello,
I plan to buy a Note. I don't panto use it as phone, because I have one which works well.
what I plan to do is :
read ebooks, internet, draw (as hobby...), takes notes, report ( jobs), schedule, read news, ...
In fact, I would use it as a small tablet, easy to get in pocket, easy to read, and not so bad to use keyboard.
galaxy tab 10.1 ( which I have) is to big.
galaxy tab7.7 could be the good choice,but I can't really draw ( with finger, I tried, it does not work well)
galaxy note could be my choice, if battery life is enough.
I would like to know what range of battey life this device could have, without 3g, data, or sim card ( airplane mode, with wifi), as I don't plan to use it with sim card.
thank you
olivier

I've travelled alot and have used the Note on flights to listen to music, play games, watch movies and take the occasional photo, all in flight mode. It seemed to me that there was no significant difference in the battery life. A 1:30 hour movie would usually result in about 20% battery drain. After a 5 hour flight from fully charged I would have roughly 30-40% battery.
I'm using the stock rom which has been rooted and I'm careful to not have unnecessary applications running in the background.
My battery usually lasts about 15 hours regular usage, and I turn my radios (3g,wifi) as I need them.
Have you checked out the Galaxy player? My little cousin had one and it's exactly the same as the Note, just not a phone and no removable battery.
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orobin said:
hello,
I plan to buy a Note. I don't panto use it as phone, because I have one which works well.
what I plan to do is :
read ebooks, internet, draw (as hobby...), takes notes, report ( jobs), schedule, read news, ...
In fact, I would use it as a small tablet, easy to get in pocket, easy to read, and not so bad to use keyboard.
galaxy tab 10.1 ( which I have) is to big.
galaxy tab7.7 could be the good choice,but I can't really draw ( with finger, I tried, it does not work well)
galaxy note could be my choice, if battery life is enough.
I would like to know what range of battey life this device could have, without 3g, data, or sim card ( airplane mode, with wifi), as I don't plan to use it with sim card.
thank you
olivier
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The Note is great for what you are describing. Not sure anyone has ever tested what you are asking about battery life. The display is the main battery user and from what I have read and experienced (used Note for six months) the most you can expect with screen on fulltime is 6 hours. That may not sound like a lot but average use will mean you have screen on for three hours and still have around 40-50% battery at the end of the day.

kyrirhcp said:
I've travelled alot and have used the Note on flights to listen to music, play games, watch movies and take the occasional photo, all in flight mode. It seemed to me that there was no significant difference in the battery life. A 1:30 hour movie would usually result in about 20% battery drain. After a 5 hour flight from fully charged I would have roughly 30-40% battery.
I'm using the stock rom which has been rooted and I'm careful to not have unnecessary applications running in the background.
My battery usually lasts about 15 hours regular usage, and I turn my radios (3g,wifi) as I need them.
Have you checked out the Galaxy player? My little cousin had one and it's exactly the same as the Note, just not a phone and no removable battery.
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I use my Note to read ebook a lot. With Kindle, low intensity and night screen I can use the Note for about 6 hr with 10% battery left.

Drastically Increase Battery Life -|- Tips and Tricks Everyone Should Know *4/26/13*

I've been revamping this thread for new devices for years hoping to share some of the love with newer users. Over the time I've been on android, I've learned a few simple things that can greatly assist in the battery life of our wonderful smartphones.
If you get anything out of the thread, please don't hesitate to rate it and drop me a thanks!
If you read the thread and like the tips, have a new one to suggest, or have a revision, please post it.
On a similar note, moderators, thanks for the sticky!
General Lithium Ion Battery Information - This link includes stuff about charging, including trickle charging aka SBC (Why NOT to use it, or at your own peril)
My tips for good battery life:
Tips for both Rooted and Non-Rooted users
1.Turn off all radios when not in use.
(Bluetooth, wifi, data, 4G/Wimax/LTE, NFC, etc) Use a widget like the default power widgets, Switchpro, or a similar app from the market. *Many rooted ROMs generally allows users to access these radios and other settings from the notification pulldown menu.* The radios of the phone draw power if on even if the user isn't actually utilizing the radio's functions. A radio searching for signal (if you are in a low-signal area) drains more than a radio with good signal, so again, turn 'em off when you aren't using 'em.
To manually turn off radios without a toggle, go to Settings>wireless & networks. This can be accessed from the notification pulldown and hitting the cog icon.
Wifi uses less battery than 3G, so use wifi when you can. Another important setting to note is more dependent on the user. If you live in an area without 4G LTE coverage (check here to see), then go into Settings>Mobile data>Network Mode and check CDMA Only. This will prevent your phone from unnecessarily searching for LTE coverage, which wastes a ton of battery life.
3. I love live wallpapers, and I’ve always been a fan of pixel zombies, but they are really only good for showing off due to their battery drain.
4. Set your screen timeout/brightness to something that fits you.
The screen is the highest drain of battery power on any smartphone. BY setting the timeout, you can prevent your phone from staying on when you don’t manually turn off the screen. Also, manually turn off your screen when you’re done with your phone.
Another huge tip is to turn on automatic brightness (it is enabled by default). This greatly reduces power consumption by constantly changing the brightness of your display, tailoring it to your needs.
Settings>Display, gestures & buttons>Sleep
I use 30 seconds.
4. Task killers used to be all the rage, but no longer.
Here is the ultimate, in depth, graphically assisted, explanation by the famous Fresh ROM's chef, Flipz. Shortly, in light of recent testing, really don’t do anything but force apps that the android OS needed to be open, and thus didn’t close, to re-open. So try not using them, unless for stuff like trying to figure out why your phone isn’t sleeping with system panel. You really won’t notice a performance difference, and the adverse effects you aren’t seeing will stop
+=+ A good alternative is the application SystemPanel Pro. It has a free version, but I highly reccomend purchasing the paid app. It basically monitors everything going on with your phone's usage both in real time an in terms of usage history. If your battery is draiging fast, it tells you what app was doing it, how much it was doing it, and allows you to stop it.
5. I'm sure you have all heard around that your phone isn't "sleeping".
This is referring to the phone's "awake" time, hence the name. When you go to Settings>Power>History. You can compare the lines from awake to screen on versus time on. "Time on battery" refers to the amount of time since the last reboot. The "awake time" is how long the screen has been active. The problem is, a lot of the time, due to the endless possibilities of inconsistencies between apps/ROMs/kernels/phones, the phone will not go to "sleep", drawing power proportionate to the screen being in use when it reality the phone is sitting idle.
If you compare these times and they are the same, or if you note the difference (turn off the screen for a minute, then re-check and they are the same), then your phone is not sleeping.
One solution is to reboot.
I recommend two apps to help monitor:System Panel and Better Battery Stats. These two apps (explained in their FAQ's and descriptions greatly aid in finding those rogues.
Usually, SystemPanel will show an app that has gone "rogue" and is keeping your phone awake.
-This is done by hitting menu>settings>monitoring enabled. Then after some time has passed, ht menu>monitoring>history>change tab to top apps, and see if anything is above, say, 2-4%.
Uninstall applications/reinstalling them slowly, checking after every install to see what is causing it is one tedious but surefire solution.
Lastly,
Follow these steps that I have discovered almost always work.
1. Reboot phone.
2. Instantly upon reboot, as soon as you gain control, open up some type of monitor/taskkiller
3. "kill all" tasks on startup; about 2 times in quick succession should do the trick.
4. Turn off the screen and leave it for about five minutes.
5. Check the up time v. awake time and see if they are the same.
6. If they are, repeat steps 1-5. If they are different, you are good.
6. Apps and Combinations to watch out for!
-Facebook- Tries to sync live feed all the time, HIGHLY recommend unchecking this box, as it creates a massive draw on data
-Skype- This app reportedly (I've seen it myself) likes to sync random data and open up the network for fun. Sign out of app when not in use to fix
-GTalk- This application keeps you constantly connected to all of our google contacts across of your accounts. I have several accounts that I must maintain, and by default the application had me signed in and maintaining a connection with all of them. Open GTalk, then hit each account and sign out to neutralize this puppy. Unless of course you want to stay signed in.
7. Manage your syncing.
This is a big one, and it differs from person to person. Go to Settings>Accounts and Sync, and take a look at what's going on there. Listed app titles means that there is an account syncing data. I, for example, have four email addresses, facebook, dropbox, box, weather, etc. That is bad. You should go through and turn off syncing for nasty apps you might not have known were accessing the internet, or limit the access of apps and services that you do want to allow.
The problem lies in the way this syncing is handled. Each app/service runs on its own schedule, making it particularly likely that your phone could almost always be establishing a data connection and trying to download data for your various apps. See step 2 regarding the app Juice Defender to handle this problem.
8. Vibrate/Haptic Settings
Vibration and haptic feedback eat up a surprising amount of battery. If you have the haptic feedback enabled, then every time you press anything your phone puts out some juice to make itself dance.
Settings>Sound>Vibrate on touch
Some apps have their own haptic feedback settings, and notifications are their own set entirely.
Tips for Rooted users:
1. Try out custom kernels.
By going to the Sprint HTC One Android Development section of the forums, you can see all of the different kernels being developed. These allow for all kinds of modifications like underclocking the CPU and undervolting, both of which save battery. To see how to use them, read the FAQ's in each thread's OPs.
Here is a great guide to custom kernel's by mroneeyedboh.
2. Use Rom Toolbox Pro, SetCPU, or some CPU clocking app in compliance with whatever your custom kernel allows.
This site will explain the basics of SetCPU: http://www.setcpu.com/
-Profiles from SetCPU should usually involve these for battery life optimization:
-Screen off at the minimum clock speed for both, with the max raised on level if sluggishness is apparent
-A temperature greater than “X”
-General power related profiles that lower cpu speed at lower battery levels
(Note that setcpu has fallen off of the radar, but clocking your cpu to levels that suit your needs is still viable, although many argue that the android system's core management should best be left alone. Read up for yourself and make an educated decision)
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NOTES:
*Some apps or processes begin to run at startup and keep the phone awake. These apps are not detected by things like spare parts or system panel, unless sometimes represented in the "system" process, in which case its usage will be unusually high.
This shouldn't take more than three repeats, and if it does, you need to factory reset, and slowly add apps back to see what's causing the problem.
___----When it comes to people claiming 20 plus hours of moderate/heavy use out of their current setup or other ridiculous absurdities, consider my position: No matter what you do, the cellphone battery is the cellphone battery. You can tweak it and customize it with kernels, ROMs, and settings, but none of that will turn it into a car battery. The main problem (besides a false sense of pride) that leads to these reports is the misunderstanding of what the usage levels are, so here’s my best summary:
* *Light usage – Phone screen actually on for maybe 0-2 hours. Things like a few texts, some emails, 20 minutes web browsing, etc.
* *Moderate usage – You watched a few youtube videos or similar apps, sustained web browsing, hundreds of texts, some games. Hours range from about 2-5 of screen on
* *Heavy usage – LOTS of video watching and games, pictures or video recording, or some high def gaming/movie watching for at least an hour to an hour and a half in total, with lots of emails and texts, browsing, and other app shenanigans. 5+ hours
*I’m sure everyone doesn't agree with all these numbers, but this is most likely a good average of what powerusers think. All specific hourage may vary due to differences in phones, batteries, ROMs, and kernels… Which also means that most battery comparisons are pointless; it’s only what you can improve on that counts!
I’ll update this whenever I see good stuff, people remind me, or I remember/come across things I do.
Hope it helps everybody!
Hit the "THANKS" button if I help you!

Good thread, we need more informational threads like this.

Biofall said:
* *Heavy usage – LOTS of video watching and games, 3D pics or video, or some high def gaming/movie watching for at least an hour to an hour and a half in total, with lots of emails and texts, browsing, and other app shenanigans. 5+ hours
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This isn't the Evo 3d forum Bio . Good to see another 3vo user around these parts haha.

Stickied for the time being

demo27vol1 said:
This isn't the Evo 3d forum Bio . Good to see another 3vo user around these parts haha.
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Haha yep!
Nice catch though, there was a lot there to change.

Hello Biofall,
I was wondering how effective is the Snapdragon BatteryGuru app from qualcomm vs juice defender if you ever tried that app before? I have used juice defender with my EVO 3D but I didn't liked the that the app was turning off Wimax even tough my phone was charging while using it.

Not only are we fighting the screen. We are fighting the quad core processor. It seems to be very aggressive.
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Well done.

treIII said:
Not only are we fighting the screen. We are fighting the quad core processor. It seems to be very aggressive.
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It's aggressive when it feels the need to ramp up. When installing several apps, the damn thing actually gets hot to the point where I put it in the freezer. [edit: this is dumb according to the device's thermal protection] I know that the components shouldn't be reaching those temps....
I'm on the lookout for more info on explicit effects of the quad core on battery life and direct ways to combat it.
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Well done.
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Thanks! I've been scouring for empirical info for years and I owe a lot of thanks to other people.

Turn off Juice defender. In fact, uninstall it. You will see your battery life is actually improved.
Leave the quad core component alone. If the cores aren't being used, they're offline. Offline is essentially 0 power consumption. The only case I can see improving battery by disabling cores would be for games. Otherwise, its probably detrimental.

Felnarion said:
Turn off Juice defender. In fact, uninstall it. You will see your battery life is actually improved.
Leave the quad core component alone. If the cores aren't being used, they're offline. Offline is essentially 0 power consumption. The only case I can see improving battery by disabling cores would be for games. Otherwise, its probably detrimental.
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Juice defender has a large multitude of components. If some parts use more power for you, then you should post which of them you believe they were, before and after, possibly with battery graph screenshots.
On the last quad-core device that I had used there was a problem where the cores would ramp up unnecessarily for small tasks, so there is certainly a possibility for improvement.
On an unrelated note, there are other things that I want to add to this thread, including screenshots, so if anyone has anything to add, just tell me.

What I don't get is that a lot people seem to believe they know better than HTC's engineers. Doing things like forcing off cores, how do you know that's really saving power? For all you know, the power loss of enabling an extra core for a small task is insignificant to ramping up an already active core to do the same thing.
Sure there are some things you can do to improve power usage (such as avoiding wakelocks) but if you start changing numbers for how internal software power functions work, you should have some damn good reasons why. Even a graph isn't going to be terribly accurate unless you can substantiate the gains across multiple tests. Many of the improvements people mention often have an impact of less than 1% over the course of an entire charge, and that's nearly impossible to even measure. The battery percentage indicator is only an estimation and not only varies between device, but even varies based on the temperature!

Vincent Law said:
What I don't get is that a lot people seem to believe they know better than HTC's engineers. Doing things like forcing off cores, how do you know that's really saving power? For all you know, the power loss of enabling an extra core for a small task is insignificant to ramping up an already active core to do the same thing.
Sure there are some things you can do to improve power usage (such as avoiding wakelocks) but if you start changing numbers for how internal software power functions work, you should have some damn good reasons why. Even a graph isn't going to be terribly accurate unless you can substantiate the gains across multiple tests. Many of the improvements people mention often have an impact of less than 1% over the course of an entire charge, and that's nearly impossible to even measure. The battery percentage indicator is only an estimation and not only varies between device, but even varies based on the temperature!
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Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Biofall said:
Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Battery percent or how long the device is on is still a hard comparison to make.
You could do the EXACT SAME THING on the phone twice, from full charge to dead, and you'd get a different length of time. Batteries aren't that consistent.
A couple things that bother me:
1. You stick the phone in the freezer because it gets warm. The phone already has thermal protections that keep it from overheating. The CPU can deal with far greater heat than you know (70C isn't even a problem). Anandtech was able to run it through the entire gauntlet of its tests (which are much harder on the device than just installing apps) without it ever triggering thermal protection. Most thermal protections exist solely for the battery's sake, which in itself can deal with 50C while charging, or even higher when not.
2. In almost all cases, it is better to let the CPU drive itself as fast and as hard as possible in order to finish tasks. Let it turn on all the cores and such. Because once it's done, it can go back into deep sleep, where everything is off. This is why almost all phones, not just HTC ones, are designed to do just that.
I agree with Felnarion's sentiment. Juice Defender is probably wasting more power just measuring your battery usage than it is helping you save.

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Originally Posted by Biofall
Sure man, sure. There are surely negatives associated with turning off, down, or generally altering core performance. However, taking the decisions that HTC engineers coupled with HTC software designers implemented for mass consumption as the best option for all users is foolish. The reason we have a development community revolves around that concept.
Several of the things I talk about have an impact in terms of hours the device can function without being plugged into an outlet, which has little to nothing to do with battery percent levels.
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Battery percent or how long the device is on is still a hard comparison to make.
You could do the EXACT SAME THING on the phone twice, from full charge to dead, and you'd get a different length of time. Batteries aren't that consistent.
A couple things that bother me:
1. You stick the phone in the freezer because it gets warm. The phone already has thermal protections that keep it from overheating. The CPU can deal with far greater heat than you know (70C isn't even a problem). Anandtech was able to run it through the entire gauntlet of its tests (which are much harder on the device than just installing apps) without it ever triggering thermal protection. Most thermal protections exist solely for the battery's sake, which in itself can deal with 50C while charging, or even higher when not.
2. In almost all cases, it is better to let the CPU drive itself as fast and as hard as possible in order to finish tasks. Let it turn on all the cores and such. Because once it's done, it can go back into deep sleep, where everything is off. This is why almost all phones, not just HTC ones, are designed to do just that.
I agree with Felnarion's sentiment. Juice Defender is probably wasting more power just measuring your battery usage than it is helping you save.
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You could do the same thing and get different results, but in reality strong trends in usage are reflected in battery life.
As for this the CPU discussion, all that I said was that I'd like to look at more in depth studies or core process handling. So it bothers me too.
In regards to JD, it won't be making it into the next revision of the thread, as I have noticed unnecessary draw. Honestly android implemented most of the vital operations into the OS, so it is mostly useless coupled with the other tips and just general awareness.
Finally, the xda app is acting up, sorry for the clutter.
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Thanks for the write up. I went from being a little unimpressed by battery life to blown away. Biggest saver from stock is dropping all the SYNC stuff. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you aren't consuming the news and updates (you know actually in the app), you probably don't need it refreshing. Still baffles me this is the from-the-factory type setup.
Phone used to eat 5-10% of my charge per hour with light use and barely make it through my "day" (~15hr away from charger). Now, after 6hrs. since it's been off the charger, I'm still at 91%.
Kill LTE and go to CDMA only if you don't have it in your area either, or it's still rolling out. Seemed to help too.
EDIT: And I should note my scores are with never letting the Data Connection completely sleep, so I can still get emails as they come in which I find important.
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Here's another tip: Go into Google Talk and make sure to sign yourself out if you don't use/care for the service.

Lauski said:
Thanks for the write up. I went from being a little unimpressed by battery life to blown away. Biggest saver from stock is dropping all the SYNC stuff. Totally unnecessary IMO. If you aren't consuming the news and updates (you know actually in the app), you probably don't need it refreshing. Still baffles me this is the from-the-factory type setup.
Phone used to eat 5-10% of my charge per hour with light use and barely make it through my "day" (~15hr away from charger). Now, after 6hrs. since it's been off the charger, I'm still at 91%.
Kill LTE and go to CDMA only if you don't have it in your area either, or it's still rolling out. Seemed to help too.
EDIT: And I should note my scores are with never letting the Data Connection completely sleep, so I can still get emails as they come in which I find important.
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Here's another tip: Go into Google Talk and make sure to sign yourself out if you don't use/care for the service.
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Solid tips man. Will update the OP. I always forget to change my mobile data to CDMA only. Also, I had three accounts signed into gtalk, which was unnecessary.

Biofall,
Nice thread.. Very very nice.
The battery issue --
When it comes to people claiming 20 plus hours of moderate/heavy use out of their current setup or other ridiculous absurdities
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While I actually agree with what you say I do feel a bit different. I base mine on previous usage.
My days really fall into one of three areas. When you get old like me you will see your days are all about the same. :crying: My heavy use is going to be someone else light day.
For me I can judge based on different phones, kernels and roms. The 4g days I needed to have a charger at my desk. There was no way I could get through a whole day regardless of how many calls I made.
Now I am judging verse the LTE I had and and very surprised on how well its holding up even on
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heavy days.
Have you had time to try this yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2230403
Not sure it works, like you said some of these apps just use more than they save. I am going to see what happens over the next few days and see if I can see differences.
Your Facebook and sync statement, man do those hit home! I still have a few phones at work that these guys don't get it.
Gtalk.. beh turns on when you flash a new rom.. People have to remember to go back and shut that sucker off!
Thanks for your post, I am going to show a few people this, maybe it will open their eyes.

Fighting Wakelocks all day long !

I honestly thought that Android was better, when going away from iPhone last monday.... Have had 6 iphones during the last 5 years, NEVER had problems with battery because of GPS, WIFI or 3G being ON all the time...
I got the HTC One, setup all accounts, synced and transfered as much data i could from my iPhone and was finished the same day.
Charged the phone 100% and unplugged it, slept 7 hours and found out to my horror that 30% of the battery had vanished through the night !!!!!!
6-7 days later I kind of know what the real problem is.
- It's not the fact that Wifi, 3G or GPS is ON in the settings
- It's not the CPU that works all the time
- It's not because of syncronization
it all those f*cking WakeLocks !
Apps that wants to retrieve notifications,
Apps that wants to update my location using location services
Apps that want to access the internet and do updates...
WakeLocks as they are called...
Why the hell can't Android OS manage all these WakeLocks while sleeping / off / idle ?? it's mind boggling how bad Android OS is, compared to IOS, when it comes to managing background services and data connections.
Facebook, Google+, GoogleMaps, Music, News & Weather, BlinkFeed, Email... they all suck power ALL THE TIME ! unless you disable notification and interval updates...
Anyone else than me fighting WakeLocks to get better standby times ?
Anyone else that feels the same way - that Android kind of sucks at background services ?
After 7 days - i think i nailed all the power-suckers... i hope my 2nd week with an Android will be a better experience than my first (Phone in charger almost all the time)
ps. Why the F*** does this phone charge so slow ? 5 hours is ridiculous !!!

Montago said:
Why the hell can't Android OS manage all these WakeLocks while sleeping / off / idle ?? it's mind boggling how bad Android OS is, compared to IOS, when it comes to managing background services and data connections.
Facebook, Google+, GoogleMaps, Music, News & Weather, BlinkFeed, Email... they all suck power ALL THE TIME ! unless you disable notification and interval updates...
Anyone else that feels the same way - that Android kind of sucks at background services ?
After 7 days - i think i nailed all the power-suckers... i hope my 2nd week with an Android will be a better experience than my first (Phone in charger almost all the time)
ps. Why the F*** does this phone charge so slow ? 5 hours is ridiculous !!!
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Nope, Android is awesome at managing background services because multitasking is what Android was built to do, whereas the iPhone was really built to do one thing at a time. Grant you, that one thing was really well executed but one thing at a time nonetheless. And yes, I'm aware that iOS5 added the ability to multitask, but it's not the same as you're experiencing.
By the way, we're going to define some terms here because they're different on Android and iOS. Android apps don't "retrieve notifications," they sync in the background. Every app that you download you can adjust it's sync times or what to sync. There are apps out there that can help automatically set your sync settings based on how you use the phone; for instance, there's one by Qualcomm called Snapdragon BatteryGuru. Another that's been highly recommended is Greenify. I'm more familiar with BatteryGuru, though. You can set it to turn off ALL APP SYNCs while the phone is idle/sleep, or even the data connection all together(although the HTC One has this feature enabled by default).
You need to adjust your battery life expectations as well. I had an iPhone 5 before I switched to the Droid DNA, then finally to the HTC One. I could easily get 16-24hrs out of my iPhone 5. Aside from the Droid RAZR MAXX, I've never gotten that out of an Android phone. I know they work differently, and I'm okay with that because I like how Android retrieves and displays my information(largely, in widgets like Blinkfeed) as opposed to having to open an app and wait for it to load. I'm pretty satisfied if I'm able to get 10-14hrs of usage time out of my Android phones. Your mileage may vary based on how you use the device, however. If you're not going to be able to come to terms with that, then I highly suggest you return to your iPhone or pick up an Android device with an enormous battery like the RAZR MAXX series or the Galaxy Note 2... or anything that has 3,000+mAH battery.
As for 5hr charge times: Are you charging with the OEM Charger or one from a carrier? I've gotten the fastest charges out of my AT&T branded charger and the HTC One's original charger. However, if I use a Samsung branded charger/cable and or a motorola charger/cable, much longer charging times.

unremarked said:
Nope, Android is awesome at managing background services because multitasking is what Android was built to do, whereas the iPhone was really built to do one thing at a time. Grant you, that one thing was really well executed but one thing at a time nonetheless. And yes, I'm aware that iOS5 added the ability to multitask, but it's not the same as you're experiencing.
By the way, we're going to define some terms here because they're different on Android and iOS. Android apps don't "retrieve notifications," they sync in the background. Every app that you download you can adjust it's sync times or what to sync. There are apps out there that can help automatically set your sync settings based on how you use the phone; for instance, there's one by Qualcomm called Snapdragon BatteryGuru. Another that's been highly recommended is Greenify. I'm more familiar with BatteryGuru, though. You can set it to turn off ALL APP SYNCs while the phone is idle/sleep, or even the data connection all together(although the HTC One has this feature enabled by default).
You need to adjust your battery life expectations as well. I had an iPhone 5 before I switched to the Droid DNA, then finally to the HTC One. I could easily get 16-24hrs out of my iPhone 5. Aside from the Droid RAZR MAXX, I've never gotten that out of an Android phone. I know they work differently, and I'm okay with that because I like how Android retrieves and displays my information(largely, in widgets like Blinkfeed) as opposed to having to open an app and wait for it to load. I'm pretty satisfied if I'm able to get 10-14hrs of usage time out of my Android phones. Your mileage may vary based on how you use the device, however. If you're not going to be able to come to terms with that, then I highly suggest you return to your iPhone or pick up an Android device with an enormous battery like the RAZR MAXX series or the Galaxy Note 2... or anything that has 3,000+mAH battery.
As for 5hr charge times: Are you charging with the OEM Charger or one from a carrier? I've gotten the fastest charges out of my AT&T branded charger and the HTC One's original charger. However, if I use a Samsung branded charger/cable and or a motorola charger/cable, much longer charging times.
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The thing is... if you DO trim down all the WakeLocks, your HTC One will last just as long as the iPhone 4/5... although, you wont get as many notifications in the background and data wont get transfered while sleeping.
I'll check out the apps your mentioned - the abillity to specify when and how often programs are allowed to work while the phone is sleeping.
but doing nothing will simply drain the battery so fast that you might as well put a permanent charging cord into it !!
regarding charging: I've been using the HTC One charger that i got with it, as well as the large iPad charger and high powered USB ports, neither seems to charge faster than the other

OnePlus 6T Detailed User Review Thread

As the title states, this is a thread for OnePlus 6T users to provide their detailed user experience for others. Everyone's experience with the device and their use case is different, so I would love to see others' experiences with the device.
Previous devices: OG Pixel, Nexus 6P, Nexus 5, HTC M7, Galaxy S2, Moto G
Device model: McLaren Edition (10GB RAM, 256 GB Storage)
Time w/Device: 2 weeks
Rooted?: Stock, unrooted
Carrier: Mint Mobile (MVNO on T-Mobile network)
Setup description
Stock OP launcher, 3 email accounts (2 on push notification), wifi/BT/location/NFC all on at all times, 60% brightness
Typical usage
*I take advantage of the Warp charge function to top off the battery and go to bed at 100% battery
*Day starts around 6am and wake up to about 98% battery, may listen to music or have YT playing while getting ready for work and get in my car for work by generally 6:45am
*Stream music/podcast on the commute, which is typically about 30 minutes
*At work, mostly on wifi. Will check twitter and other news feeds throughout the day, listen to music/podcast through wireless earbuds (Jabra 65T) for a few hours, maybe a few minutes of YT and phone calls, intermittently respond to texts and emails
*Will leave work around 6:30 to 7pm and will listen to music/podcasts during the commute which is another 30 minutes
*Arrive home and will mostly use the phone to stream YT, take pictures/videos of my son, read articles/books up until an hour or so before bed - this will take the battery down to ~40% ish most days
*No gaming for me
*Put the phone on charger while I finish some errands around the home and getting ready for bed
*On weekends, usage varies with family activities so it would be a bit heavier usage with more photos and video recording, GPS, along with more media consumption than normal
General thoughts
*Headphone jack - I thought the headphone jack would be a bigger issue than it is. I really have not missed it at all, but I'm also not an audiophile nor have I spent much on expensive headphones over the years.
*LED notification - It's something that I do miss. Without having the color coded LED, I find myself unlocking the phone more often to make sure I'm not missing any urgent notifications - I may try out some of the alternatives suggested in XDA
*Camera - It's good enough, but nothing spectacular. Photos are great in good lighting and the video quality is miles better than my OG Pixel. I do notice a bit more of a shutter lag than expected (any options to minimize this?) which has been annoying especially with a toddler running around to ensure each picture taking is a challenge. Front facing camera is also generally ok, nothing special.
*In-screen finger print sensor - The in-screen fingerprint sensor is pretty dang cool and it'll turn some heads... but as it states in most reviews, it's definitely a hair slower and less reliable than the standard FS in most of the flagships phones today. By no means it's unusable, far from it, but you will absolutely have an adjustment period with the phone unlocking experience in the first few days. I did notice it got a bit more reliable in the past few days but still will be unresponsive a couple times per day
*Performance - I'm sure most people know this already, but this thing is amazing in terms of speed and performance. Nothing I can add that hasn't been said already except that I have not ran into any stutter issues during my usage and this phone runs REALLY COOL compared to any of my previous phones.
*Display - Very crisp and great viewing angles and vibrant colors. It makes my OG Pixel display look washed out and flat in comparison. Coming from a phone with large bezels, it's very cool to have such big screen real estate available to the user for media consumption and during app usage
*Battery - Based on my use case noted above, I typically will be on pace for about 30+ hours of usage with 6-8 hours of SoT. This is the first phone I have ever had where I can use the phone without having battery anxiety in the afternoon (Few screenshots of the battery performance attached).
*Software - I like Oxygen OS way more than the stock Android experience which has been a pleasant surprise. I have not had the urge to get Nova launcher or install different ROMs because of the features and customization available from the stock experience. Both the quick and navigation gestures are very cool and functional, my favorite being the ">" and "<" gestures to skip tracks.
*Other things - I mentioned Warp charging above, but it's incredibly fast... The battery is already so good to begin with that it won't take long to get it back to 100% from where it would be at the end of my work day and IMO it more than makes up for not having wireless charging. This version of the 6T is absolutely gorgeous... but man it feels fragile with the glass exterior... I put a clear case around it almost immediately. The physical slider (toggle vibrate, silent, ring) is something that I didn't know I would find so useful. I have average sized hands, and the phone is definitely a bit on the large side if you are looking for a device that is one hand friendly.
Conclusion
Being the most recent phone that I have purchased, it's not surprising that the OP 6T is the best phone I have ever owned. Performance, battery life and overall experience in using the device is just miles better than my OG Pixel (which I was pretty happy with). If you have a 2+ year old device and don't want to shell out a $1,000+, you should consider this phone. The value prop on this phone is off the charts compared to many of the more expensive flagships. There are some things that can be better (camera, wireless charging, LED notification), but the overall user experience on the 6T is incredible and it's one of my most satisfying purchase of the past few years.

Battery stat attachment
Not sure why it didn't get posted earlier.

Advice for dedicated AA phone

Hi there,
since I don't want to root my main phone (don't want to hassle around with some apps that try to block on rooted phones, and also don't want to enable that stupid google voice assistant to use google maps and so on) I want to buy a phone just for Android Auto. This phone will be rooted and stay in the car all time, it could also get a custom ROM. Since I don't have any experience with AA mirror yet and also not that much experience with rooting, it would be great if you have some suggestions what I could get for this use case.
From what I found here so far, the requirements seem to be:
- easy to root
- possible to install custom roms
- will have the display turned on (for AA mirror) for several hours whenever traveling a longer distance
-- maybe heat could be an issue?
- should not have the cheapest battery since it will be charged for long times when traveling as well as not charged at all for several days
-- unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be smartphones anymore that can be used with batteries pulled out
-- is there anything to be considered because of the always-usb-connected use case
- preferably a cheap model from a premium manufacturer
Any suggestion for my decicion or experience with a dedicated phone would be helpful.

Have you considered a raspberry pi?
There are plug n play rom do get that up and running as a AA display
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can you please hep me with the raspberry pi to make aa diplay for my skoda bolero mib 2.0 android auto?

Every phone should work.
It's only important that you use an app like Automate to put the phone into airplane mode whenever the cable is disconnected (=car head unit shut off). This requires root.
I personally use an old Galaxy S4 with ridicously bad battery health and it stays on for around 2 days without driving. It charges while you're driving, of course.
No issues with heat. I keep it in the burning hot glovebox.

I am doing this for a year now. I use an old nexus 5x.
Until now i had a original based custom rom, but just ysterday i wanted to refresh some things so i installed slim rom. (It is very light and dont have play services. I then installed pico gapps. It is the lighter you can flash so that android auto to work).
I use 7.1.2 custom rom because i think is better for android auto.
Anyway what i have:
-I used a switch (on/of), soldered in a cable so tha start / stop android auto just by turning on/off the switch.
- I disabled completely lockscreen. Set brightness to min and disable auto brightness.
- Use titanium to freeze whatever i don't need. Many things including phone app, etc)
- I used tasker. 2 conditions:
When phone doesn't charge set battery save mode.
When car mode is enabled (which means android auto is running) enable wifi on, location on etc. When car mode of disable all, also kill 20 apps (so that no app stay in background so no battery consumption when android auto goes off).
(some use only charging condition but my setup is more complicated so this works fantastic.)
With this, i practically can use android auto without ever battery discharge. When phone doesn't change and android auto doesn't run, battery consumption is very very low. It can Last more than 20 days and battery is very old.
I actually have some more complicated setup. When switch is off i change from another usb of the car (not the one i use for android auto). I have in this usb a changer with more amper to charge faster when i don't use android auto..
I don't propose it as this is much difficult for the average person. Just write it as an idea if car doesn't change fast (this happens in my car).
I posted my use / ideas. Some may be useful to some, some other not.
I may post a video here displaying it some time when i found time and tasker setup if anyone need it as many wants this. I have read alot to do this in varius sites.

I'll post it here also:
I made a 4 minutes video displaying android auto mirroring in my car, with some apps and a dedicated phone with a switch for this. It may give some ideas:

sosimple said:
I'll post it here also:
I made a 4 minutes video displaying android auto mirroring in my car, with some apps and a dedicated phone with a switch for this. It may give some ideas:
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Hi .
What rom do you recommend for S5?

juanmontequinto said:
Hi .
What rom do you recommend for S5?
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You mean galaxy s5?, I don't have s5. I had it in past. I would install something similar to the rom i installed to nexus 5x i have.
The lighter nougat rom with pico gapps.
If it goes ok with battery consumpsion an especially standby time you keep it. If not try another one.

sosimple said:
You mean galaxy s5?, I don't have s5. I had it in past. I would install something similar to the rom i installed to nexus 5x i have.
The lighter nougat rom with pico gapps.
If it goes ok with battery consumpsion an especially standby time you keep it. If not try another one.
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Thanks for the advice :bueno:

i did it using mi 6a. it auto boot and auto off upon detection upon power on
search on xda on how to auto power on device. many device can do this
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cboghiu said:
can you please hep me with the raspberry pi to make aa diplay for my skoda bolero mib 2.0 android auto?
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Take a look at this guys solution.
https://youtu.be/Puk_pzMGd7c
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Thank you for all the suggestions so far.
sosimple said:
I am doing this for a year now. I use an old nexus 5x.
I actually have some more complicated setup. When switch is off i change from another usb of the car (not the one i use for android auto). I have in this usb a changer with more amper to charge faster when i don't use android auto..
I don't propose it as this is much difficult for the average person. Just write it as an idea if car doesn't change fast (this happens in my car).
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I remember that I read somewhere that Android Auto only needs the data wires from the USB cable so it would be possible to connect only the two data wires to the cars USB port and the other two wires to a fast charger, I think there even are prebuild Y-like cables that do exactly this.
But I'm not sure if this still works as expected since nowadays we have USB-C connectors and a lot of different fast charging standards. Some require the data cables to be short cutted (so you cannot use data at the same time) while others send different voltage impulses as handshakes to determine the charger type.
But maybe it is worth looking into this topic for you (and maybe for me aswell if I will encounter the same issue).
Doesn't look like this would be working, found a thread here about it: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an.../usb-y-cable-to-quick-charge-android-t3448805

WieselDroid said:
Thank you for all the suggestions so far.
I remember that I read somewhere that Android Auto only needs the data wires from the USB cable so it would be possible to connect only the two data wires to the cars USB port and the other two wires to a fast charger, I think there even are prebuild Y-like cables that do exactly this.
But I'm not sure if this still works as expected since nowadays we have USB-C connectors and a lot of different fast charging standards. Some require the data cables to be short cutted (so you cannot use data at the same time) while others send different voltage impulses as handshakes to determine the charger type.
But maybe it is worth looking into this topic for you (and maybe for me aswell if I will encounter the same issue).
Doesn't look like this would be working, found a thread here about it: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an.../usb-y-cable-to-quick-charge-android-t3448805
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You read my mind..
That i was thinking to do in future. I just dont change anything yet as everything working perfect.
But i think more would become simplier if i connect only the 2 data cables in car usb of android auto (or the 3rd cable , earth, also), and charging from the other usb with the fast charger.
As i remember it was working when i experimended.

Hello. I have a problem. I have an S7, Oneplus 3t with carteam enabled (the car is skoda Octavia 3 with bolero mib 2). The problem is that the image on youtube is lagging and on storage all that are over 360p are lagging. What I am doing wrong? Please help me

Hi guys, Is possible connect 2 phones to car?
I explain my case, I have a Sync3 (Ford), with 2 USB, my plan is use an old Xperia ARC to install AA mirror, and use my first phone for use with android auto..
Is possible this?
Xperia is easy rooteable, my first phone is a Huawei P20 Pro without root.
Thanks in advance!!!!

pajarito3003 said:
Hi guys, Is possible connect 2 phones to car?
I explain my case, I have a Sync3 (Ford), with 2 USB, my plan is use an old Xperia ARC to install AA mirror, and use my first phone for use with android auto..
Is possible this?
Xperia is easy rooteable, my first phone is a Huawei P20 Pro without root.
Thanks in advance!!!!
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Sorry, haven't seen this post. I think it is not possible with both USBs but you can put one phone to the usb and use it as a forwarder for the other phone.
https://www.xda-developers.com/wireless-android-auto-head-unit-hack/

WieselDroid said:
Hi there,
since I don't want to root my main phone (don't want to hassle around with some apps that try to block on rooted phones, and also don't want to enable that stupid google voice assistant to use google maps and so on) I want to buy a phone just for Android Auto. This phone will be rooted and stay in the car all time, it could also get a custom ROM. Since I don't have any experience with AA mirror yet and also not that much experience with rooting, it would be great if you have some suggestions what I could get for this use case.
From what I found here so far, the requirements seem to be:
- easy to root
- possible to install custom roms
- will have the display turned on (for AA mirror) for several hours whenever traveling a longer distance
-- maybe heat could be an issue?
- should not have the cheapest battery since it will be charged for long times when traveling as well as not charged at all for several days
-- unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be smartphones anymore that can be used with batteries pulled out
-- is there anything to be considered because of the always-usb-connected use case
- preferably a cheap model from a premium manufacturer
Any suggestion for my decicion or experience with a dedicated phone would be helpful.
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I'm confused. Why does a phone using android auto have to be rooted?

well,
i been doing for the past 4 years already. you can use non root device but you miss out on video play on the car screen.
i am using redmi 4x and redmi 3, both because the availability of custom rom. but i didn use custom rom because it seems the custom roam break data and sms.
not all old phone can be use because on certain devices, android auto takes ages to connect to satellite. for example i hav tried S4, huawei mate 7, Vivo V9, all these device have problem with gps connection, sometimes didn't connect to satellite at all. it seems the low end android device release before 2016 have this issues. i think it also because of my geographic location whic require a-gps, glonass and bds, the only it work.
heating issues, yes, it exist but i use kernal app to limit the max core speed. that it works.
the other reason i chose redmi because the ability to modify the init.rc file to make the device to auto boot when i start the car.
and to turn off the device automatically when you exit the car, i use microdroid and power unplug. apk, which only available on aptoid.
i also create a macro, to send my car location to me incase of theft.[emoji1696]
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I'm looking into doing this. I have an old Sony Z5 Compact but if I recall, it was too slow for AA. Therefore, I'd appreciate any recommendations for a cheap used phone I could buy.
I'm thinking it has to have:
1. Good GPS
2. Ability to Charge faster than it can drain
3. nanoSIM
4. Ability to root for things like init.rc for autoboot.
5. Fast boot time would be nice but perhaps I can use tasker/automate to have it goto deep sleep when its not charging
Ideally, a cheap used unlocked phone I can buy on ebay. Just searching specs, I'm thinking perhaps a Moto G Stylus, Xiomi Poco M3. I also have an old Pixel XL but I'm saving that for unlimited google photos
Before my car had android auto, I used an old tablet. It worked OK but the biggest issue was that it could not charge faster than it would drain. The battery would eventually wear down. Also, after a while, AA would just crash. Ofcourse, here, I'm just mirroring so it is a little different.

eng3 said:
I'm looking into doing this. I have an old Sony Z5 Compact but if I recall, it was too slow for AA. Therefore, I'd appreciate any recommendations for a cheap used phone I could buy.
I'm thinking it has to have:
1. Good GPS
2. Ability to Charge faster than it can drain
3. nanoSIM
4. Ability to root for things like init.rc for autoboot.
5. Fast boot time would be nice but perhaps I can use tasker/automate to have it goto deep sleep when its not charging
Ideally, a cheap used unlocked phone I can buy on ebay. Just searching specs, I'm thinking perhaps a Moto G Stylus, Xiomi Poco M3. I also have an old Pixel XL but I'm saving that for unlimited google photos
Before my car had android auto, I used an old tablet. It worked OK but the biggest issue was that it could not charge faster than it would drain. The battery would eventually wear down. Also, after a while, AA would just crash. Ofcourse, here, I'm just mirroring so it is a little different.
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I wrote above as "sosimple" but it now shows me "deleted member" due to a problem in xda forum through its moving period, that accidentally deleted my account.
Anyways, as i wrote i have an old nexus 5x. Its not the best for the work, but it does it.
If i was going to get one phone for this now, i would search something better. Probably is a good solution to buy a used phone with broken (but working) screen to get it very cheap.
4-5. I think is difficult to find one who does this. I couldn't do it in Nexus 5x (although i read it can be done) so i used a different approach :
2 Tasker scripts to watch if car mode is enabled or not.
-When android auto running, car mode is enabled automatically, tasker script1 run so do what you need then eg turn on Bluetooth, gps, normal battery mode etc..
-When android auto is off, car mode disabled automatically tasker script2 run so disable Bluetooth, GPS, enable battery light consumption mode, flight mode, etc.
This way nexus 5x (and probably most phones) loose 1-2% battery in standby mode per day, so you don't actually needs to power off phone, and it boots to android auto much faster (5 seconds in Nexus). Especially if you debloat phone. I have deleted (or freeze with titanium) most of android. Keep only what needed for android auto and mirroring to work. I did this not only for battery but also for speed.
2. As i wrote before, i have created a cable with a switch:
-when turn on switch phone connect to car usb for android auto, so android auto runs.
But i do have the problem of phone drain faster than charging. It depends of the car. If the usb for android auto charges slow, you can't do anything for this. I didn't have much problem because the battery still last for 6 hours continually.
-When turn off the switch, disconnect phone from car usb for android auto (so android auto stops in phone and in car), and connecting the phone to a 2nd usb of the car where i have a fast usb charger.
This way battery is always charged.
I use it more than 2 years this way, everything works fine.
But there is probably a better solution that i may try in future.
For understanding what i will write (i have created the cable 2 years ago so i dont remember exactly how), I'll post some info, and Google it for more:
A usb cable have 5 wires inside. 2 are for data, 2 for power +-, and 1 for grounding.
So you can create a cable which the 2 cables for +- will go to a fast usb charger. This way phone will always charge fast (faster than it drain) when car in on.
The other 2 wires and ground will go to the car usb for android auto.
You will have a Y cable with 3 usb: the 1st goes to phone, the 2nd go to the (fast) charger, the 3rd go to car usb for android auto.
I have try this and worked. You don't have to charge phone from the same usb which use android auto.
English is not my native language, i hope everyone who reads to understand what i write.
If i do this method I'll post the wiring.
This is my old video, i have change many things from then, I'll post another one some time.