Fighting Wakelocks all day long ! - One (M7) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I honestly thought that Android was better, when going away from iPhone last monday.... Have had 6 iphones during the last 5 years, NEVER had problems with battery because of GPS, WIFI or 3G being ON all the time...
I got the HTC One, setup all accounts, synced and transfered as much data i could from my iPhone and was finished the same day.
Charged the phone 100% and unplugged it, slept 7 hours and found out to my horror that 30% of the battery had vanished through the night !!!!!!
6-7 days later I kind of know what the real problem is.
- It's not the fact that Wifi, 3G or GPS is ON in the settings
- It's not the CPU that works all the time
- It's not because of syncronization
it all those f*cking WakeLocks !
Apps that wants to retrieve notifications,
Apps that wants to update my location using location services
Apps that want to access the internet and do updates...
WakeLocks as they are called...
Why the hell can't Android OS manage all these WakeLocks while sleeping / off / idle ?? it's mind boggling how bad Android OS is, compared to IOS, when it comes to managing background services and data connections.
Facebook, Google+, GoogleMaps, Music, News & Weather, BlinkFeed, Email... they all suck power ALL THE TIME ! unless you disable notification and interval updates...
Anyone else than me fighting WakeLocks to get better standby times ?
Anyone else that feels the same way - that Android kind of sucks at background services ?
After 7 days - i think i nailed all the power-suckers... i hope my 2nd week with an Android will be a better experience than my first (Phone in charger almost all the time)
ps. Why the F*** does this phone charge so slow ? 5 hours is ridiculous !!!

Montago said:
Why the hell can't Android OS manage all these WakeLocks while sleeping / off / idle ?? it's mind boggling how bad Android OS is, compared to IOS, when it comes to managing background services and data connections.
Facebook, Google+, GoogleMaps, Music, News & Weather, BlinkFeed, Email... they all suck power ALL THE TIME ! unless you disable notification and interval updates...
Anyone else that feels the same way - that Android kind of sucks at background services ?
After 7 days - i think i nailed all the power-suckers... i hope my 2nd week with an Android will be a better experience than my first (Phone in charger almost all the time)
ps. Why the F*** does this phone charge so slow ? 5 hours is ridiculous !!!
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Nope, Android is awesome at managing background services because multitasking is what Android was built to do, whereas the iPhone was really built to do one thing at a time. Grant you, that one thing was really well executed but one thing at a time nonetheless. And yes, I'm aware that iOS5 added the ability to multitask, but it's not the same as you're experiencing.
By the way, we're going to define some terms here because they're different on Android and iOS. Android apps don't "retrieve notifications," they sync in the background. Every app that you download you can adjust it's sync times or what to sync. There are apps out there that can help automatically set your sync settings based on how you use the phone; for instance, there's one by Qualcomm called Snapdragon BatteryGuru. Another that's been highly recommended is Greenify. I'm more familiar with BatteryGuru, though. You can set it to turn off ALL APP SYNCs while the phone is idle/sleep, or even the data connection all together(although the HTC One has this feature enabled by default).
You need to adjust your battery life expectations as well. I had an iPhone 5 before I switched to the Droid DNA, then finally to the HTC One. I could easily get 16-24hrs out of my iPhone 5. Aside from the Droid RAZR MAXX, I've never gotten that out of an Android phone. I know they work differently, and I'm okay with that because I like how Android retrieves and displays my information(largely, in widgets like Blinkfeed) as opposed to having to open an app and wait for it to load. I'm pretty satisfied if I'm able to get 10-14hrs of usage time out of my Android phones. Your mileage may vary based on how you use the device, however. If you're not going to be able to come to terms with that, then I highly suggest you return to your iPhone or pick up an Android device with an enormous battery like the RAZR MAXX series or the Galaxy Note 2... or anything that has 3,000+mAH battery.
As for 5hr charge times: Are you charging with the OEM Charger or one from a carrier? I've gotten the fastest charges out of my AT&T branded charger and the HTC One's original charger. However, if I use a Samsung branded charger/cable and or a motorola charger/cable, much longer charging times.

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Nope, Android is awesome at managing background services because multitasking is what Android was built to do, whereas the iPhone was really built to do one thing at a time. Grant you, that one thing was really well executed but one thing at a time nonetheless. And yes, I'm aware that iOS5 added the ability to multitask, but it's not the same as you're experiencing.
By the way, we're going to define some terms here because they're different on Android and iOS. Android apps don't "retrieve notifications," they sync in the background. Every app that you download you can adjust it's sync times or what to sync. There are apps out there that can help automatically set your sync settings based on how you use the phone; for instance, there's one by Qualcomm called Snapdragon BatteryGuru. Another that's been highly recommended is Greenify. I'm more familiar with BatteryGuru, though. You can set it to turn off ALL APP SYNCs while the phone is idle/sleep, or even the data connection all together(although the HTC One has this feature enabled by default).
You need to adjust your battery life expectations as well. I had an iPhone 5 before I switched to the Droid DNA, then finally to the HTC One. I could easily get 16-24hrs out of my iPhone 5. Aside from the Droid RAZR MAXX, I've never gotten that out of an Android phone. I know they work differently, and I'm okay with that because I like how Android retrieves and displays my information(largely, in widgets like Blinkfeed) as opposed to having to open an app and wait for it to load. I'm pretty satisfied if I'm able to get 10-14hrs of usage time out of my Android phones. Your mileage may vary based on how you use the device, however. If you're not going to be able to come to terms with that, then I highly suggest you return to your iPhone or pick up an Android device with an enormous battery like the RAZR MAXX series or the Galaxy Note 2... or anything that has 3,000+mAH battery.
As for 5hr charge times: Are you charging with the OEM Charger or one from a carrier? I've gotten the fastest charges out of my AT&T branded charger and the HTC One's original charger. However, if I use a Samsung branded charger/cable and or a motorola charger/cable, much longer charging times.
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The thing is... if you DO trim down all the WakeLocks, your HTC One will last just as long as the iPhone 4/5... although, you wont get as many notifications in the background and data wont get transfered while sleeping.
I'll check out the apps your mentioned - the abillity to specify when and how often programs are allowed to work while the phone is sleeping.
but doing nothing will simply drain the battery so fast that you might as well put a permanent charging cord into it !!
regarding charging: I've been using the HTC One charger that i got with it, as well as the large iPad charger and high powered USB ports, neither seems to charge faster than the other

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'How To Get Better Battery Life' tips and tricks

I haven't seen one of these threads yet, and I think it will benefit users of our D4 forum.
If you have any tips/tricks, feel free to add them here.
My first tip: TURN OFF 4G AT ANY TIME POSSIBLE. 4g is a battery vacuum.
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Here's the biggest....Widgets and Social Networks.
Watch your widgets (weather, news, facebook, etc..) that update/refresh. Most will allow you to adjust the refresh time. Set it high or to manual refresh.
Social Networks.....set them to refresh only. You don't need them refreshing their data in the background, just have them pull the latest down when you are actually using them (Facebook, Twitter, Google +, etc..). Set to manual refresh so that they only refresh when you are using the app. You don't need the latest status messages your friends are posting hitting your phone when it's in your pocket.
WiFi and. 3G/4G.....if you are in a location that makes your phone drop/search for signal and WiFi is available....use WiFi. The constant searching/seeking and establishing a 3G/4G network connection will kill your battery faster than having a constant 4G connection. This leaves the cellular band free for calls and all your apps that sync/pull data from the internet can happily run over the WiFi connection instead of killing your battery.
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tcrews said:
Here's the biggest....Widgets and Social Networks.
Watch your widgets (weather, news, facebook, etc..) that update/refresh. Most will allow you to adjust the refresh time. Set it high or to manual refresh.
Social Networks.....set them to refresh only. You don't need them refreshing their data in the background, just have them pull the latest down when you are actually using them (Facebook, Twitter, Google +, etc..). Set to manual refresh so that they only refresh when you are using the app. You don't need the latest status messages your friends are posting hitting your phone when it's in your pocket.
WiFi and. 3G/4G.....if you are in a location that makes your phone drop/search for signal and WiFi is available....use WiFi. The constant searching/seeking and establishing a 3G/4G network connection will kill your battery faster than having a constant 4G connection. This leaves the cellular band free for calls and all your apps that sync/pull data from the internet can happily run over the WiFi connection instead of killing your battery.
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I second this, keep your widgest, number of home screens, and social networking apps down. Phones haven't reached the point of being able to be computers quite yet. Here are some apps to keep it snappy though:
Fast Reboot (by Great Bytes Software)- same as a battery pull without having to. Clears up a lot of RAM.
Lte On/Off - with this, you can switch to 3G (CDMA) only, and have it set to automatically default to that setting in the case of you switching to airplane mode for some reason. But it does reset the app if you turn of your phone. Fast Reboot doesn't clash with this app.
App Cache Cleaner - clears out a lot of the cache you otherwise would have to go to Manage Applications to clean out.
That's all I can think of at the moment for non-rooted users. I won't go into rooted b/c this is not the right place. But here are a few battery saving settings:
GPS - have only the Google one on, it's the fastest in my experience.
Display - have it set to the lowest setting when at all possible. Only lowers color distortion in my experience.
Developer optionss - go in here and turn on the force GPU settings. This may not be the case with everyone, but it gives my phone a little more zip and makes things smoother.
Apps (this is the very bottom of the developer settings) - Adjust these to your liking. Perhaps try setting the max number of backgrounded processes to 4.
I wonder how it looks on you ...
on my droid 4 and with Jelly Bean i lost ~5,5% battery by hour no matter what i do even on airplane mode.. still aroud 5% by 1h
please can you advice how its look from your side ?
I had the same thing with my Droid 4. I finally sbf'd it, and reinstalled everything one at a time. This fixed it.
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i try SBF many time, formats, pull out sd card no matter what i do.. still lost 5,5 % battery by hour.. so max my battery keep 16-18h
(its there any possibility to move back to ICS ? )
Is there any way for the Droid to use only 2G networks? 3G/4G while idle seems to be the biggest battery drainer.
fathermocker said:
Is there any way for the Droid to use only 2G networks? 3G/4G while idle seems to be the biggest battery drainer.
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you just turn off your network data and you will still be able to run 2g
Jahoovi said:
you just turn off your network data and you will still be able to run 2g
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What I meant was if it was possible to just use 2G for Internet connections, instead of 2G+3G+4G.
a battery calibration after rooting device should help.. what it does is delete the fake information from the old/stock ROM and cleans up your battery to new life... better explained here... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration...
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a battery calibration after rooting device should help.. what it does is delete the fake information from the old/stock ROM and cleans up your battery to new life... better explained here... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration...
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I have not found that to be the case at all. The battery tools make that claim but it has not helped my battery life (stock or rooted) on any of my multiple droid 4 or d2g
karlsdroids said:
I have not found that to be the case at all. The battery tools make that claim but it has not helped my battery life (stock or rooted) on any of my multiple droid 4 or d2g
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Same here. In a couple cases its just made it worse. I will be trying out the extended battery in a couple weeks though. Hopefully it'll let me go at least a day without charging.
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Making it better
The Droid 4 firmware just isn't very battery friendly... and it's not a new phone so your battery probably isn't either. Two things to consider.
LiIon batteries lose capacity over both cycles (cycling losses) and time (calendar losses.) If your battery is 18 months old and was charged nightly, you've lost 25% or more of the life anyhow... much more if the phone was kept plugged in after the charge and ran warm. And the drop accelerates with more cycles. It may be time to change the battery.
Adding JuiceDefender ( I use Ultimate) triples my battery life even in basic mode.
Replacing the battery is really simple; buy one from Amazon, open the back, carefully pry out the old one (it's held down by a double-sided tape), unscrew the connector (very small Torx, but jewelers screwdrivers work), swap and reassemble. $30 later (and a few hours to charge), you have your capacity back.
Wotta said:
The Droid 4 firmware just isn't very battery friendly... and it's not a new phone so your battery probably isn't either. Two things to consider.
LiIon batteries lose capacity over both cycles (cycling losses) and time (calendar losses.) If your battery is 18 months old and was charged nightly, you've lost 25% or more of the life anyhow... much more if the phone was kept plugged in after the charge and ran warm. And the drop accelerates with more cycles. It may be time to change the battery.
Adding JuiceDefender ( I use Ultimate) triples my battery life even in basic mode.
Replacing the battery is really simple; buy one from Amazon, open the back, carefully pry out the old one (it's held down by a double-sided tape), unscrew the connector (very small Torx, but jewelers screwdrivers work), swap and reassemble. $30 later (and a few hours to charge), you have your capacity back.
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yeah after trying juice defender for about a month or so i noticed my phones battery life extend much more. so i opted to buy the ultimate juice defender and sure enuff more battery life... i am very pleased with this app. however if in the future i do want to extend the battery a lil more, then i will purchase a brand new battery and then replace the old one...
Turning off auto sync, turning off WiFi while on 4G works. Also make sure there's not any apps running in the background. Being root, there's apps you can download to close any open app
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fathermocker said:
What I meant was if it was possible to just use 2G for Internet connections, instead of 2G+3G+4G.
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just go into your settings of your networking section:
settings-wireless&networks-mobilenetworks-networkmode
and choose ur favourite mode!
gsm=2g
wcdma=3g
lte=4g
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with CM it is an easy to safe much energy! and if you really want to do this on a right way, you really need to own a rooted system....
1. underclocked my cpu for 200mhz, dont have to comment.... if you use lightweight lounchers and care for background apps, it will noprob
2. use only 2g-networks, those are more available than every other networks, and even tcp/ip works with it, for whatsapp etc it is way enough bandwitch
very important!!!!
3. check your internal recievers after installing an app!! with "autorun manager" on a rooted device you can uncheck every function from every app, even autostart of an already killed facebook app, or statistical functions from apps which comes with most of them
4. get your brightness automated, if it is dark, you can automatically safe energy by a automatically regulation
5. maybe you would prefer to deactivate vibrations/haptic feedback/call vibration completely, its very energy consumpting.....
6. deactivate the gps-reciever complete, and just turn it on if you need it
7. set your display timeout as less than possible for your behaviour, 15 seconds may be enough
8. know what runs in background, evrything in background, sucks energy.....
9. deactivate nfc
10. deactivate bluetooth
with this i get a standby about ~1-3 days! and if im phoning and writing to much maybe not fully to one day. if i watch now on my energy tables, my display is consumpting still 40-60% battery per charge, but i dont think that even more safings would be possible
and with the app "tasker" you can even script this in endless environments
MiLoS R2D2 said:
yeah after trying juice defender for about a month or so i noticed my phones battery life extend much more. so i opted to buy the ultimate juice defender and sure enuff more battery life... i am very pleased with this app. however if in the future i do want to extend the battery a lil more, then i will purchase a brand new battery and then replace the old one...
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How does JuiceDefender save the battery? I have used many battery saver apps (including Juicedefender) and I always find that they run in the background and kill the apps which I would close anyway. Does it do anything besides kill background apps? By now I've deleted most background apps and have only kept the apps I want (which are few) and I still find battery life subpar.
Also definitely keeping 3G/4G off is a huge help. Wouldn't be able to make it very far without turning those off
I use Autorun Manager pro to freeze Google Play Services. Funnily enough, Play Store and Google Maps still work like a charm yet Google Play Services don't run background
Edited: With stock rom, install SetCPU and change the governor to hotplug. Underclock max frequency down to 800 MHz. You won't notice much different for normal tasks like watching videos, sms,...That setting is enough for me to play FF4 on MyBoy but playing heavy graphic games might not be snappy tho.
For me not using gaaps improve battery life. Every one knows for google play service that you cannot stop Instead I use calldav for my contacts.
me battery drain in me droid 4 jb 4.1.2 with gsm patch is of 60% for screen, the battery only run about 6hs, can i fix this? thanks

[Q] Still chasing battery drain: Is it possible FingerPrint Unlock is part of it?

So having come from Verizon's Note 4 and averaging up to 24hrs on battery running pretty much the same setup as I do now on my T-Mobile Note 4 minus the "Root" & "Custom Rom" abilities. Otherwise, same apps, accounts, usage pattern, ect...
I am on an ongoing battle still after several complete wipes, different Roms including just running STOCK ANK4 and trying to figure out what is going on. Phone defect? Battery defect?
Anyhow, Ever since changing over to both the T-Mobile Note 4 & their service, my experience has been a rather miserable 14 to 18hrs MAX battery life and going from 4hrs screen on time to around 2 1/2 w/ T-Mobile.
Which now leads me yet to wonder something else. I believe I started using the "FingerPrint" security feature since switching to T-Mobile to unlock the device. Has anyone experienced a similar "Battery longevity" issue using said feature before I continue troubleshooting and chasing my own tail on this? Of course I will eventually test this theory anyhow, but figured I would throw it out there.
Also, Open to any suggestions.
Just some things I have already done along with the above mentioned:
- Utilized the App "Greenify" & donation full version to greenify many apps including "Google Play Services".
- Set up Profiles which I toggle via "PhoneWeaver" to turn off data when on Wi-Fi which consists of 90% of my day as I'm Wi-Fi connected both at home and work.
- Of course always turn off that option within Wi-Fi settings to untick "Always Scan".
- Went into "Google" app settings and turned off about everything I can find in there and it's now rather complex settings.
- Turned off most syncing of my 2 "Google" accounts to only one having anything other than Email Sync active such as the Calendar, Contacts, and Apps Sync. - Again, my 1 Google Account I only have set to sync Email and nothing else.
Sure I forgot some things I've tried but again, I am open to any/all suggestions. I admit, I bought my T-Mobile via Swappa. All seemed well as per their checklist of the obvious things to check regarding the phone's operation. Kind of stuck here now and wondering if my device is simply defective and/or the battery.
Also of note: Android System is always by far the largest contributor to my battery drain and exceeds even Screen-On time by around 10%. But then again, don't really know if that means anything or not since even before switching carriers and the transition from "JellyBean" to "KitKat" on my previous S4, Android System became a forever battery hog for me.
Just never had a top end device such as this in past years barely get me through a complete day: Work & Home time. I don't consider myself a heavy user. Barely even "Moderate" many days as I mainly text during my lunch break, otherwise phone is pretty much idle. And say 2 phone calls of aprox 20 min.s each during commute time. Yea, something just isn't right. :crying:
I have noticed 3 things that were hurting battery bad.
1.) Use the Google play services with the 030 extension. I get way better battery life on it 5% to 10% increase in battery life. Link below:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-7-0-99-1809214-030-android-apk-download/
2.) If you are not using maps or other location services turn your location off. Literally a 20%+ increase in battery from this alone.
3.) Toggle your NFC. Something in Android 4.4.4 sometimes causes your NFC to wake lock. If you turn it on then turn it off one time it normally fixes is.
I attached my battery stats below.
It with about 2 hours of screen on time.
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ShrekOpher said:
I have noticed 3 things that were hurting battery bad.
1.) Use the Google play services with the 030 extension. I get way better battery life on it 5% to 10% increase in battery life. Link below:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...ices-7-0-99-1809214-030-android-apk-download/
2.) If you are not using maps or other location services turn your location off. Literally a 20%+ increase in battery from this alone.
3.) Toggle your NFC. Something in Android 4.4.4 sometimes causes your NFC to wake lock. If you turn it on then turn it off one time it normally fixes is.
I attached my battery stats below.
It with about 2 hours of screen on time.
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Thanks for the reply and suggestions! I just checked and I am currently running Google Play Services V 7.0.97 (1791429-030).
A couple things I have done meanwhile since my OP which have had "some" noticeable positive effects on my battery duration, yet still no where near what you have posted are:
Within "Google Settings" app:
- Account History ( I have "turned off or rather paused" ALL the Activity/Info/History settings here - All 5)
Regarding my 2nd, basically "Junk mail" Gmail Account:
- Now have ALL "Sync" turned off within, including the syncing of email, which I now simply check manually to update.
Greenify:
- Revisited, and added a bunch more apps and pretty much "Greenified" ALL Samsung related entries/services/ect...
So far I have increased to achieving up to about 3 1/2 hrs Screen time (Gained 1 hr) & a few more hours of real time battery longevity as I can now achieve close to 20hrs before needing charge.
Still feel I have some troubleshooting to go. Oh, I actually have the NFC Service "Greenified" to. So far haven't really noticed a problem with "Deep Sleep" either according to CPU SPY pro.
Yep, Have always had the Location Service to OFF, not even using the so called "Battery saving" selection with it. Such a pity to have to cripple such things but it's a trade off I guess in achieving a full day's battery vs.s using the features with this phone for some reason more-so than past devices it seems. At least in my case. :silly:

Looking to buy a 2014 Moto X. Thoughts?

Hey All,
Been a fan of this phone for a while. I am currently on a BB Q10 (which I like a lot), and I just feel like going back to Android. I love the fact that this phone comes stock with AOSP, but I will definitely root and optimize. I have owned Motorola, Samsung, and HTC. I love the quality that Motorola provides, and I really like this phone. I feel as though it is optimized for AOSP. I was leaning towards the HTC One M9, but the whole S-Off issue is pushing me away.
The only thing I am worried about is battery life. People who own this phone, could you comment on your experience with performance and battery life? What would you like changed about this phone?
Thanks in advance!
996
I personally have no issues with battery. I run rooted CM 12.1 with clean master only. My day usually goes from 8am wake up to 12am sleep. I usually find myself at 60-70% by noon with moderate to high usage. Before I go to sleep, I'm usually 40-50%. I bike to and from work and track that so my location settings are on high accuracy (most draining one). I'm a person who doesn't mind charging my phone every day along with my moto 360. Other flagship phones of comparable calibre might statistically have a higher battery life because of a higher mah, but I feel I end up saving a lot of battery life with the active display feature for checking notifications.
In addition, the apps that I typically use have high battery consumption rate like hearthstone (especially) and browsing a lot of gifs and vids using Reddit Now. In terms of performance, I get lightning fast animations and load speeds in CM (and I'm sure in stock as well). I average 52% RAM usage by allowing a few key apps like fb, fb Msgr, sleep for android, android wear, and mightytext autostart and run in background on my ignore list. If you have anything specific to ask, go ahead since I've used this phone 3 months on stock (bootloader locked and unrooted) as well.
Edit: I should also mention I am XT1095 pure edition. Also, I took the advice of someone and started using system profiles so that when I'm on WiFi at work, home, or place that I frequently visit, I have data connection automatically shut off. I've noticed a significant difference.
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hi doug,
please describe a bit more about the system profiles, what you use for it and how significant is that diff. Thanks!
miklosbard said:
hi doug,
please describe a bit more about the system profiles, what you use for it and how significant is that diff. Thanks!
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I use systems profiles to save battery by having my phone automatically turn off the data connection when I am connected to a list of chosen WiFi spots. Doing this actually improves the battery a ton because normally your phone tries to maintain a radio connection even if you're on WiFi. This causes unnecessary drain on battery, especially if you're in an area with bad coverage. You don't actually need the radio connection to receive texts and calls, only MMS which most people send via fb or whatsapp/etc nowadays.
Back to systems profiles, I have 1 profile I call 'default'. My settings for default are simple. Whenever my phone disconnects from a list of chosen WiFi connections, my data connection is turned on. Its quite simple to set up. There's an option clearly labelled WiFi where you choose from a list of WiFi spots your phone has connected to. Once you've chosen the list, you set the option 'trigger upon disconnect'. Then, I have a second profile with the same WiFi spots chosen, but with two differences: triggers upon connection to chosen WiFi spots; and results in disconnection of data connection.
It makes a pretty big difference because I work in an office area where the reception is not always good so my battery sometimes drains like 20-30% unnecessarily trying to reestablish data connection (this happens with all phones). If you usually aren't in areas with bad reception, this trick still helps if you're on LTE connections. I think there's a certain bug with LTE connections and Google play services for lollipop in general where maintaining an LTE connection is quite draining on battery. I myself mainly use 3G cause I find it fast enough. However, everything above is only relevant if you are frequently connected to WiFi. Hope this answered some questions
Moto X (2014) Pure Edition
dougisthelamb said:
Hope this answered some questions
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It definately did, thanks
My only remaining question is what app you use for this? Tasker or llama or something else? I tried a some of these apps a few years back but then they were draining more battery than saving. Any suggestions there?
miklosbard said:
It definately did, thanks
My only remaining question is what app you use for this? Tasker or llama or something else? I tried a some of these apps a few years back but then they were draining more battery than saving. Any suggestions there?
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I used to use both clean master and battery doctor. Now I only use clean master. When using clean master, make sure you give it root access and add all non essential apps to the 'block auto start' list. As well, close processes occasionally using either the clean master boost or the multi task window. Clean master is also really good for finding useless stuff that takes up memory for you to delete.
Moto X (2014) Pure Edition
Hey. Can you post screenshots of your battery graph with screen on time upon the end of your typical day?
I'd love to but I don't have enough posts to post outside links... Perhaps pm me and I can send them?
Moto X (2014) Pure Edition

The Galaxy Note 9 (exynos) IS a battery phone.

I found myself customizing my new device as always from day one. I'm still running rootless with great satisfaction: one ui in superb in managing screen dimensions, good lock 2019 gives me the perk to optimize my multitasking, thanks to the community i run great gestures interface. I use no compromise: always on high performance mode, WQHD+, 4G+ always on, sync with 2 push emails 90% of the time it's on, lot of Bluetooth devices connected specially when I'm home (headphones, computer, amazon echo, bluetooth earbuds). I made a very light debloat with adhell that counts about 20 apps disabled (including all bixby services, which don't drain much battery tough).
I have about 180GB occupied out of 512, roughly 2.5/3 gb of ram always available and no heavy app optimization services enabled (just adaptive battery as far as I can tell). I normally DON'T close apps from multitasking. I make heavy usage of multiwindow specially from messaging apps trough notification bubbles. Always on display only when I'm home. You can see below my usage which may vary from day to day but consistently delivers incredible performances and very exciting battery results.
The device is an SM-N960F 8/512, so it's the exynos one.
In following posts I'm posting other days of battery I have record of in as much detail as I could get at the time.
Day 2
Day 3
Same Setup here.
My Exynos last 3 Days with 7Hrs Screen On, or 2 Days with 8-9Hrs Screen On.
Right ATM iam on :
76% Battery left.
Usage Time : 20Hrs and 46 Min.
Screen On : 2Hrs and 3 Min.
Mixed Usage between Wifi and 4G.
But just using Samsung Browser, Youtube and Whatsapp. No Games or whatever.
Maybe i can reach this Time 8 Hrs Screen On with 4 Days of usage. But i think, maximum is 3 Days with 7Hrs.
I dont fight for battery. Iam just a light user. And i did debloat and use routines (Android 9). No enerysaver. 1080P
Exynos here.
Exynos here too
4G/4G+ always active outdoors, WiFi at home
Screen brightness on manual, above 60% most of the time
1440p active, I refuse to downgrade the display to 1080p
Bluetooth on moderately, headphones & computer
Chrome as my browser
Social apps include Twitter & WhatsApp
"Disabled" a couple services through adb (pm uninstall) method ~ not including Bixby although I never use it.. ever
Always on display is set to "Tap To Show"
Consistently leave my house with 100% battery early hours 6-8am & return home with 30% (or higher) without fail
My charging method varies, I either fast charge it in the evening & got to bed with it on 100% and wake up with it on 97%+ or I wirelessly charge overnight and wake with it on 100% using the official Samsung convertible charger
Overall, I couldn't be happier with its battery life.
Sprov said:
I found myself customizing my new device as always from day one. I'm still running rootless with great satisfaction: one ui in superb in managing screen dimensions, good lock 2019 gives me the perk to optimize my multitasking, thanks to the community i run great gestures interface. I use no compromise: always on high performance mode, WQHD+, 4G+ always on, sync with 2 push emails 90% of the time it's on, lot of Bluetooth devices connected specially when I'm home (headphones, computer, amazon echo, bluetooth earbuds). I made a very light debloat with adhell that counts about 20 apps disabled (including all bixby services, which don't drain much battery tough).
I have about 180GB occupied out of 512, roughly 2.5/3 gb of ram always available and no heavy app optimization services enabled (just adaptive battery as far as I can tell). I normally DON'T close apps from multitasking. I make heavy usage of multiwindow specially from messaging apps trough notification bubbles. Always on display only when I'm home. You can see below my usage which may vary from day to day but consistently delivers incredible performances and very exciting battery results.
The device is an SM-N960F 8/512, so it's the exynos one.
In following posts I'm posting other days of battery I have record of in as much detail as I could get at the time.
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May I ask do you doing any restoration, or data transfer from Smart Switch, Samsung Cloud or Google backup?
Or you just set it as a fresh new device?
I NEVER fast charge because I really have no need with this battery performance. @maple_mak I never wiped the device since i bought it, I made a dirty flash via ota for upgrading to Pie/OneUi, then installed as zip all the betas until I upgraded to stable and had 3 security patches from that moment. At the time I tried to fresh install as many things as possible but of course my samsung account and google account synced many data. If you have problems with battery I suggest you to choose wisely the apps you use and monitor their battery usage carefully. You can use gsam for that. The idea is that you need the device to do as less things as possible both in background and foreground: any automated activity drains battery, use features only if you strictly need them.
if you really can't understand what your battery problem is, I suggest a fresh install of the OS and most important after that a good set up of the system without installing "garbage". With garbage I also mean things that are useful to you but drain battery and execute tasks continously
No idea how you manage that. I've already dropped 12% in 2 hours ? this is my first Samsung since the S7 Edge, I probably won't get another after this. Not a fan of OneUI and the countless preinstalled junk apps that I never use lol
dazr87 said:
No idea how you manage that. I've already dropped 12% in 2 hours ? this is my first Samsung since the S7 Edge, I probably won't get another after this. Not a fan of OneUI and the countless preinstalled junk apps that I never use lol
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You can essentially disable most pre-installed apps through adb
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You can essentially disable most pre-installed apps through adb
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Oh I know. Just can't be bothered having to do it lol rather they weren't there to begin with. I mainly bought it for the stylus, but I rarely use it. I think a smaller device in the future will suit better
Sprov said:
I found myself customizing my new device as always from day one. I'm still running rootless with great satisfaction: one ui in superb in managing screen dimensions, good lock 2019 gives me the perk to optimize my multitasking, thanks to the community i run great gestures interface. I use no compromise: always on high performance mode, WQHD+, 4G+ always on, sync with 2 push emails 90% of the time it's on, lot of Bluetooth devices connected specially when I'm home (headphones, computer, amazon echo, bluetooth earbuds). I made a very light debloat with adhell that counts about 20 apps disabled (including all bixby services, which don't drain much battery tough).
I have about 180GB occupied out of 512, roughly 2.5/3 gb of ram always available and no heavy app optimization services enabled (just adaptive battery as far as I can tell). I normally DON'T close apps from multitasking. I make heavy usage of multiwindow specially from messaging apps trough notification bubbles. Always on display only when I'm home. You can see below my usage which may vary from day to day but consistently delivers incredible performances and very exciting battery results.
The device is an SM-N960F 8/512, so it's the exynos one.
In following posts I'm posting other days of battery I have record of in as much detail as I could get at the time.
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thanks for sharing this. U helped me made my decision on getting my Note 9 despite its been quite some time it has been launched.
gxthelord said:
thanks for sharing this. U helped me made my decision on getting my Note 9 despite its been quite some time it has been launched.
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You're welcome! I hope you got a good deal - I'm under contract with samsung so I will switch for few bucks to the note 10 as it gets on the market, tough the idea of staying on this note 9 for a year more doesn't hurt me at all. Enjoy your new machine
Since last 2 Pie Updates..batterylife getting closer and closer to Oreo. A bit more optimazion and we are back on Oreo runtime.
Sprov said:
I found myself customizing my new device as always from day one. I'm still running rootless with great satisfaction: one ui in superb in managing screen dimensions, good lock 2019 gives me the perk to optimize my multitasking, thanks to the community i run great gestures interface. I use no compromise: always on high performance mode, WQHD+, 4G+ always on, sync with 2 push emails 90% of the time it's on, lot of Bluetooth devices connected specially when I'm home (headphones, computer, amazon echo, bluetooth earbuds). I made a very light debloat with adhell that counts about 20 apps disabled (including all bixby services, which don't drain much battery tough).
I have about 180GB occupied out of 512, roughly 2.5/3 gb of ram always available and no heavy app optimization services enabled (just adaptive battery as far as I can tell). I normally DON'T close apps from multitasking. I make heavy usage of multiwindow specially from messaging apps trough notification bubbles. Always on display only when I'm home. You can see below my usage which may vary from day to day but consistently delivers incredible performances and very exciting battery results.
The device is an SM-N960F 8/512, so it's the exynos one.
In following posts I'm posting other days of battery I have record of in as much detail as I could get at the time.
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Hi, Would you mind sharing the 20 or so apps that you disabled? I'm not getting anywhere near your battery usage, and it would be great to improve it.
Thanks
silverwings2008 said:
Hi, Would you mind sharing the 20 or so apps that you disabled? I'm not getting anywhere near your battery usage, and it would be great to improve it.
Thanks
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Yes! It's not all the story since the apps consumption is negligible if you don't really use them, for instance be careful to disable functions that use sensor like the ones in advanced features, try to use as less bluetooth perks with the s-pen, careful with location and try to stay below 80% brightness. Charge without fast charging and stay as much as you can between 15%-85% battery.
Here the apps/services i disabled:
"Bixby" voice wake-up
Apps edge
Bixby home
Bixby Service
Bixby Vision
Bixby Voice
Bixby Voice stub
BixbyVision Framework
Bookmark Provider
Calendar (I use the Google one)
Clipboard edge
CoolEUKor (it's a font... whatever)
Customization Service (be careful this can mess up some elements of the ui like multitasking. I use good lock apps and have no problems. You can always disable Customization Service from your samsung account manager even if you leave the app active on your device: https://www.samsung.com/us/account/customization-service/ )
Edge Screen
Facebook
Facebook App Installer
Facebook App Manager
Facebook Services
Finance (yahoo)
Galaxy essential widget
Gear VR Service
Google Play Movies & TV
Google Play Music
Google VR Services
Instagram
Kids Home Installer
Linkedin
OneDrive
People Edge
PowerPoint
Samsung Galaxy Friends
Samsung Internet Panel
Secure Wi-Fi
Sports (yahoo)
SystemUIBixby2
Tasks Edge
Wearable Manager Installer
Youtube (I use another app)
upday
of course you can enable the ones you want if you use them
I also changed my dns to 1.1.1.1, don't know the impact of it in terms of battery
Black theme to everything you are comfortable with
Setting to auto the always on display or using the feature that doesn't allow the phone to turn on in pocket use the ambient light sensor and proximity sensor - this drains some battery
Try to block as many notifications from apps as you can
My suggestions could never end XD try navigate every menu and value every option. Shortcuts don't really matter but the things related to sensors or automation consume battery. Every little thing you can adjust to your real need make the difference
Thanks for the tips @Sprov
Did you uninstall them via adb or just put them to sleep?
DNS, you just using an app for that?
Thanks
I use adhell both for disable apps and change my dns. It's a bit tricky to setup fhe first time, there's an official guide, with some passages peculiar for the note 9. You can search for the thread here on xda. You need also to get a knox license from samsung, all of this requires about 30 minutes the first time. Main use of adhell is ad blocking at system level but it has a lot of features. If you're only interested in dns and disabling apps you can do it with adb with the latter, for the DNS there's an option in the Connection settings on the phone: in More Connection Settings tap on Private DNS and type 1dot1dot1dot1.cloudflare-dns.com
Adhell doesn't work anymore because samsung changed criteria to get KNOX license. From now on I will use package disabler pro OR ADB to disable system apps and services, for ADS blocking I changed the DNS from the "more connection settings", you can use the one from ADguard or get a customizable one from nextdns.com
Man, I can't believe you're getting such awesome battery life from the SM-N960F. I have the same device (512GB variant) and I barely get 3hours SOT. I think I could get more SOT if I really pushed for it but I don't use my phone as often as some. I just don't see why it should be down to less than 15% when I go to bed (11-12pm) after taking it off charge in the morning at around 8am!
I did a google drive app restore when I set up the device so maybe this is causing the battery drain? or is there a chance I have a faulty device? I am still within my 30 day return period with the seller so should I return it?
Forgot to attach screenshot.

2 days absolute max battery life with 'normal' use?

Morning all.
Something that has been slightly bothering me since I got this phone....it has a massive battery, it can be heavily customised with roms, xposed modules, magisk modules and all manner of tweaks. Probably one of the most open and dev-friendly devices I've ever had.
Yet, no matter what I do the only way I have ever been able to get more than 2 days out of a battery is to literally not use the phone.
I have had devices in the past such as Xperia Z3 Compact, S7 Active and others with smaller battery that were easily able to push 3 days with regular use. Hell, the Z3C was able to get up to 5 days with a little bit of trickery turning off radios when not in use etc.
Is the extra diagonal inch of screen realestate really enough to destroy the battery longevity? Typically with normal usage I am seeing 2 days with about 4.5 hours of screen-on time.
I've experimented with just about everything to push this out including no official facebook apps, decreased resolution, medium power-saving mode, kernel tweaks (currently using TGP rom and kernel), auto-sync turned off. Going beyond this I feel like you may as well just use a push-button device.
Any devs care to comment? What is the main factor that eats the battery on the Note 9? Is the exynos processor just not that power-efficient? Am I missing some hidden gem?
I guess the next step would be to transition to an AOSP based rom where the customisation is not constrained by baked-in samsung features but again, this is giving up a lot including proper s-pen functionality.
I recently kitted out an LG V30+ for my wife and it is just insane to me that a phone which only has a 3300mah battery can get the same life as the Note9 or better.
Is there some strategy I have missed or is this really the best we can hope for? Seems like an extremely inefficient use of 4000mah to me.
bandario said:
Morning all.
Something that has been slightly bothering me since I got this phone....it has a massive battery, it can be heavily customised with roms, xposed modules, magisk modules and all manner of tweaks. Probably one of the most open and dev-friendly devices I've ever had.
Yet, no matter what I do the only way I have ever been able to get more than 2 days out of a battery is to literally not use the phone.
I have had devices in the past such as Xperia Z3 Compact, S7 Active and others with smaller battery that were easily able to push 3 days with regular use. Hell, the Z3C was able to get up to 5 days with a little bit of trickery turning off radios when not in use etc.
Is the extra diagonal inch of screen realestate really enough to destroy the battery longevity? Typically with normal usage I am seeing 2 days with about 4.5 hours of screen-on time.
I've experimented with just about everything to push this out including no official facebook apps, decreased resolution, medium power-saving mode, kernel tweaks (currently using TGP rom and kernel), auto-sync turned off. Going beyond this I feel like you may as well just use a push-button device.
Any devs care to comment? What is the main factor that eats the battery on the Note 9? Is the exynos processor just not that power-efficient? Am I missing some hidden gem?
I guess the next step would be to transition to an AOSP based rom where the customisation is not constrained by baked-in samsung features but again, this is giving up a lot including proper s-pen functionality.
I recently kitted out an LG V30+ for my wife and it is just insane to me that a phone which only has a 3300mah battery can get the same life as the Note9 or better.
Is there some strategy I have missed or is this really the best we can hope for? Seems like an extremely inefficient use of 4000mah to me.
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This is what you get when you use a high performance chip.
If it was like cars.. just because the gas tank is big (battery) doesn't mean that the engine won't consume the fuel faster than a more Efficient engine (cpu) with less power.
Other phones might be able to last 3 days, but they also dont have the performance capabilities. Turn on extreme power saving and see how long the phone lasts ...
I'm using stock unbranded ROM. I also adp uninstalled all the Facebook system apps (devil-ware). With Pie + OneUI + Night mode + Dark UI apps, it's the first time I love stock. I bet your non-stock ROM + TGP is the culprit.
I charge nightly on a wireless charge pad; easy on the battery. In Device Care, I run the default "Optimized" setting. I use it moderately for the first 12 hours of my working day (meetings phone calls), and I often have 85-90% charge left at that point. I then use the phone HEAVILY for the next 4 hours (watching video, reading, etc.), and at that point I am never below 50% (often 60-70) when I put it back on the charge pad, go to sleep, and start the whole thing over again. I have the US version (Snapdragon), darkmode and auto brightness is always on, and I use Automate to toggle my wifi off when not home and back on when home. Other than that, I have gps, bluetooth, and phone data always on. Bluetooth pairs with my watch and car, and gps auto-toggles by the kernel whenever I load maps or whenever my Life360 app updates my location (every few minutes).
That's all fairly normal use with a bit of power-savings thought into it. If you cannot get similar performance without your screen brightness jacked way up and wifi always on (that eats battery as you move around), then maybe you have a power-hungry app. Check your Device Care section of Settings, and start watching your "Usage by apps".
Also, it's better to slow-charge than fast-charge (wears it out more quickly). And you are better off charging nightly than waiting two days until it's very low.
gruuvin said:
I charge nightly on a wireless charge pad; easy on the battery. In Device Care, I run the default "Optimized" setting. I use it moderately for the first 12 hours of my working day (meetings phone calls), and I often have 85-90% charge left at that point. I then use the phone HEAVILY for the next 4 hours (watching video, reading, etc.), and at that point I am never below 50% (often 60-70) when I put it back on the charge pad, go to sleep, and start the whole thing over again. I have the US version (Snapdragon), darkmode and auto brightness is always on, and I use Automate to toggle my wifi off when not home and back on when home. Other than that, I have gps, bluetooth, and phone data always on. Bluetooth pairs with my watch and car, and gps auto-toggles by the kernel whenever I load maps or whenever my Life360 app updates my location (every few minutes).
That's all fairly normal use with a bit of power-savings thought into it. If you cannot get similar performance without your screen brightness jacked way up and wifi always on (that eats battery as you move around), then maybe you have a power-hungry app. Check your Device Care section of Settings, and start watching your "Usage by apps".
Also, it's better to slow-charge than fast-charge (wears it out more quickly). And you are better off charging nightly than waiting two days until it's very low.
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A lot of people don't realize the huge difference that your cellular connection strength makes a difference on your battery.
Try working in a all brick/stone bank building, where 250kb/s is a good 4g download speed... Then see what your battery looks like after a few hours.
Bober_is_a_troll said:
A lot of people don't realize the huge difference that your cellular connection strength makes a difference on your battery.
Try working in a all brick/stone bank building, where 250kb/s is a good 4g download speed... Then see what your battery looks like after a few hours.
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YEP!
And same goes for wifi.....
wifi and cell radios can really eat up battery if they are trying to maintain a connection in areas where wifi/phone signal is weak. And app like Tasker or Automate can toggle these on and off, depending on your location, and really save battery.
Well, that probably explains a few things. I moved in to a SOLID brick building recently with double glazing everywhere and multiple solid brick internal walls. First time I've ever battled for cell and wifi signal...that does explain a lot. I guess 2 days is still pretty good. Might end up with one of those 10,000mah Chinafones eventually ;p

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