An 8 year old boy was removed from his home, and his mother stripped of custody over is weight. The child was 200lbs. Has CPS overstepped the boundaries here, or is this justified?
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/11/obese_cleveland_heights_child.html said:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An 8-year-old Cleveland Heights boy was taken from his family and placed in foster care last month after county case workers said his mother wasn't doing enough to control his weight.
At more than 200 pounds, the third-grader is considered severely obese and at risk for developing such diseases as diabetes and hypertension.
But even though the state health department estimates more than 12 percent of third-graders statewide are severely obese -- that could mean 1,380 in Cuyahoga County alone -- this is the first time anyone in the county or the state can recall a child being taken from a parent for a strictly weight-related issue.
The case plays into an emerging national debate that has some urging social-service agencies to step in when parents have failed to address a weight problem.
Others suggest there's hypocrisy in a government that would advocate taking children away for being overweight while saying it's OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in fast-food kids' meals.
Cuyahoga County does not have a specific policy on dealing with obese children. It removed the boy because case workers considered this mother's inability to get her son's weight down a form of medical neglect, said Mary Louise Madigan, a spokeswoman for the Department of Children and Family Services.
They said that the child's weight gain was caused by his environment and that the mother wasn't following doctor's orders -- which she disputes.
"This child's problem was so severe that we had to take custody," Madigan said. The agency worked with the mother for more than a year before asking Juvenile Court for custody of the child, she said.
Lawyers for the mother, a substitute elementary school teacher who is also taking vocational school classes, think the county has overreached in this case by arguing that medical conditions the boy is at risk for -- but doesn't yet have -- pose an imminent danger to his health.
They question whether the emotional impact of being yanked from his family, school and friends was also considered.
"I think we would concede that some intervention is appropriate," Juvenile Public Defender Sam Amata said. "But what risk became imminent? When did it become an immediate problem?"
Children are ordinarily removed from their homes for physical abuse, neglect or undernourishment.
Amata said that in his decades as a public defender, he has seen children left in homes with parents who have severe drug problems or who have beaten their children, with the reasoning that there isn't an immediate danger to the child.
In this case, Amata said, other than having a weight problem, the boy was a normal elementary school student who was on the honor roll and participated in school activities.
Records show the child's only current medical problem, sleep apnea, is being treated and that he wears a machine nightly that helps and monitors his breathing.
"They are trying to make it seem like I am unfit, like I don't love my child," the boy's mother said.
"Of course I love him. Of course I want him to lose weight. It's a lifestyle change, and they are trying to make it seem like I am not embracing that. It is very hard, but I am trying."
The mother and the boy are not named in this story because The Plain Dealer does not generally identify those involved in abuse cases.
The mother said that social workers took her son from his school on Oct. 19 and told her she could see him only once a week for two hours. The boy is living in a foster home.
Next month, the two sides will debate the case in front of a Juvenile Court magistrate, who will decide what is in the boy's best interest. A trial is set on the child's 9th birthday.
Rainbow hospital program for kids, families
County workers were alerted to the child's weight in early 2010 after his mother took him to a hospital for breathing problems. He was diagnosed with sleep apnea, which can be weight-related, and was given the breathing machine. Social workers began to monitor him under what the county calls protective supervision.
Last year, the boy lost weight but in recent months began to gain it back rapidly. That's when the county moved to take the child, records show.
The mother said that when she found out that other kids and a sibling might be giving her son extra food, she tried to put a stop to it and explain to him that he could eat only certain foods.
She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise.
The mother wonders what role genetics plays in the boy's condition -- both she and his father and some other family members are overweight, she said. However, she also has a 16-year-old son who is tall and thin.
The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight.
That program has evaluated more than 900 overweight and obese children from the ages of 4 to 8 since 2005. A team of specialty doctors, nutritionists, psychologists and others treat the children and work to educate families about creating healthy eating habits.
Dr. Naveen Uli, a pediatric endocrinologist and co-director of the program, said he is seeing more children who are quickly developing diseases that in the past were seen only in adults, like Type 2 diabetes and hypertension. These can affect a person's health, life span and health care costs, he said.
But he said interventions need to be targeted, if possible, for the whole family.
Uli said many families in the program have found it difficult to relearn how to eat, to read and translate confusing food labels and to make the healthy choices. Not all families complete the intense 12-week program, or they are unwilling or unable to grasp the seriousness of the threat, he said.
There is no policy on whether to report obese children to the county if they do not complete the program, but doctors can call if they think the child is at risk.
Uli said most of the children don't require immediate medical intervention but instead need help to prevent them from getting diseases like diabetes.
Uli said that in most cases, he thinks that keeping the family unit intact is better. But if that doesn't work, other interventions have to be derived, he said.
Debate emerges nationally on best ways to intervene
That is precisely what is at the core of a debate that is emerging nationally in the discussions about childhood obesity.
Earlier this year, Dr. David Ludwig, Harvard University professor and pediatric obesity expert, urged children's services agencies to intervene in severe cases when parents have failed to address a weight problem that leads to imminent health risks.
Ludwig, the co-author of an article that appeared in the Journal of American Medical Association this summer, said other interventions should be tried first and that children should be removed only as a last resort.
The article cited the example of a 12-year-old patient of Ludwig's who weighed 400 pounds and had developed diabetes, cholesterol problems, high blood pressure and sleep apnea -- conditions that could kill her before the age of 30.
But others question whether a future risk is enough to separate a child from a family.
Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics and medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said that before a trend of removing children takes hold, the broader public-policy issue needs to be explored.
"A 218-pound 8-year-old is a time bomb," Caplan acknowledged. "But the government cannot raise these children. A third of kids are fat. We aren't going to move them all to foster care. We can't afford it, and I'm not sure there are enough foster parents to do it. "
He said he is worried that the families with the fewest resources, which are often minorities, will end up being ones with their children removed.
Caplan said one could get ethical whiplash in a world where one arm of government is so concerned about a child's weight that it removes him from his home, while another branch of government argues that french fries and tomato paste on pizza should be counted as servings of vegetables.
"It's completely hypocritical, or to put it another way, a schizophrenic stance," he said.
"It's OK to threaten to take a kid away or charge someone more for insurance," he said. "But it's also OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in kids' meals."
In the Cleveland Heights case, county workers believed that disconnecting the boy from his family, at least temporarily, might help. And he has lost a few pounds in the last month.
But now lawyers for the mother say they've been told that the foster mother who has the child in a neighboring suburb is having trouble keeping up with all of his appointments.
There was even a discussion about getting the foster mother additional help or moving the child again, this time to a foster home with a personal trainer, Amata said.
"I wonder why they didn't offer the mother that kind of extra help," Amata said.
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edit: IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?
Tomdg07 said:
IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?
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PM a mod and see if they can get it done, but probably via an admin.
Genetics, being blamed for Greed and Sloth since 1980
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Lack of education is the real issue. The kid should have been sent to a 'Fat Camp' and the mother sentenced to Community Service and Counselling.
Only an admin can change polls. PM MikeChannon.
As for the article, CPS was right to take the kid. I mean 200 punds at 8 years old. I'm 20 and never reached 200 lbs, most I think was like 188. And genetics my ass. Also many of them say its a disease. What's the name, hunger?
The artcile says "The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Childrens Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight", and also "She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise." No where did the article indicate that she was not cooperating with CPS or coordinating with dr's to help the kid lose the weight.
While I do not see CPS removing a child from a home in these situations as a protecting act it is a very grey matter. If the mom had agreed to such programs its hard to say this instance was justified unless theres is some proof she is neglecting the childs health behind closed doors, which isnt clear here as shes been taking him to see doctors on the matter. But than you also have to remember that you dont get to 200 lbs at 8yrs old by siblings sneaking you snacks...
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Seems to be an ongoing thing in these forums Recently..
So what do you prefer The fish? Or the Chips?
Well, being diabetic I have to stay away from the potatoes, so it's the fish for me. If I didn't care about my blood sugar it would have to be BOTH!
Sometimes Americans are such idiots. I ordered fish and chips the other day (substituted salad for the chips), and the waitress had no clue what "malt vinegar" was. Took her and the manager 10 minutes to find a crusty old bottle.
Sometimes Americans are such idiots
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Lets try and stay away from rash and general statements. Not all American's are idiots.
Anyway, Fish and Chips is the embodiment of British Culture, along with the pinstripe suit... How... cultural.
well chips as brits call it or frenchfries as some others call it was invented in Belgium ....
What..? You mean it wasn't invented in Yorkshire!???! :shock:
i fink you got the wrong end of the stick jupiter Yorkshire puds came from Yorkshire!
Sounds like a Belgian conspiracy to me.
This can help...?
For also in the 1840s, pomme frites ("fried potatoes") first appeared in Paris. Sadly, we don't know the name of the ingenious chef who first sliced the potato into long slender pieces and fried them. But they were immediately popular, and were sold on the streets of Paris by push-cart vendors.
Frites spread to America where they were called French fried potatoes. You asked how they got their name--pretty obvious, I'd say: they came from France, and they were fried potatoes, so they were called "French fried potatoes." The name was shortened to "french fries" in the 1930s.
By the way, the verb "to french" in cooking has come to mean to cut in long, slender strips, and some people insist that "french fries" come from that term. However, the French fried potato was known since the middle 1800s, while the OED cites the first use of the verb "to french" around 1895, so it appears pretty convincing that "french fried potatoes" came before the verb "frenching." The origin of the name is thus the country of origin French and not the cooking term french.
In the U.K., fried fish had been on sale by street vendors since the 1600s. In 1864, a brilliant (but, alas, unknown) Brit teamed French fried potatoes (called "chips" in English) with fried fish, to create the famous and popular fish and chips.
Lets try and stay away from rash and general statements. Not all American's are idiots.
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I'm American. Well, by birth I'm Cuban, but been here for 35 years and consider myself and American. Sometimes Americans are quite clueless, and I provided the anecdotal evidence. People in other countries can be clueless too, but in general I think we in America are exceptionally clueless on things that aren't American. Like malt vinegar on your fish.
Damn it. Now I'm hungry.
I have to take issue with the use of chips and french fries as synonyms. (Sorry, that sounded a bit snooty).
Proper chips from a chip shop (and how my granny makes them) are much thicker than the stringy french fries you get from the likes of McDonalds or Burger King and do not come pre-covered with a salt/sugar coating. They are chipped potatoes not re-constituted potato matter and therefore taste more "potato-y".
As a matter of personal taste, I have to have salt and vinegar - the proper malt vinegar, not the french stuff made from wine that's gone off - with my chips. If bought from a chippy, they should be eaten from a newspaper, generally a tabloid, and on the way back from a football match.
I'm going to stop now 'cos I'm ranting on and getting very hungry!
Yiu cant beat the smell of freshly fried fish and chips..
hmmmmm.....
Fook me I Invented this Topic and now I'm getting a bloody history lesson!!! :shock:
Are you averse to education?
Averse???
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I quote the belgian fries site :
Of course, in good food tradition, the French claim to be the inventors of our beloved fries: they originated in Paris on the Pont Neuf (fries are still called like that in the chique French restaurants) somewhere in the middle of the 19th century. As with most "French" inventions, they forgot to note the name of the inventor and they are still searching for proof. .
Anyway, we modest Belgians, don't mind the French claim, because we know that fries are Gods gift to our people.
Pictures and texts proof that fries were all around our country in the second half of the 19th century. The oldest written proof is dated 1862 and mentions a certain Fritz and the widow Descamps as owners of a fry stand on the Liège 'kermis'. In 1891 a picture of both stands was taken.
Jo Gerard, a famous Belgian historian, claims to have proof that fries were invented in the region of the Meuse in 1680. Based on an unpublished document, he writes that the poor inhabitants of this region ate mostly fish. When the river frooze, they cut their potatous in a fish-shape and fried them.
Who cares who made them. They are the most unhealthy things you could eat, dipped in oil.
Who wants to admit to inventing the biological cause to the worlds obesity problem!!!!
Fook me i'm enjoying this post its probably the most entertaining historical insight into anything on here
In the US, it was basically impossible to find something labeled "fish and chips" anywhere, until recently. If you ordered some sort of fish meal, then it would come with mashed potatoes or some other "more cultured" side. Likewise, bangers and mash is basically unheard of, though a few places will feature it.
Battered fried fish is generally considered of low value here, I guess due to being associated with garbage like fish sticks. These are nasty little bars of compressed fish meal, battered and either fried or baked. Very cheap, very bland. Served with "tartar sauce" to try to give them some flavor.
Last night I battered up some catfish in corn meal. That's a typical meal from the Southern US (Cajun). You guys on that side of the Atlantic ever eat it that way (or eat catfish at all)?
Have you ever tasted Fish and Chips?
You think fish and mash is cultured?
what are your thoughts?
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I am not a pesimistic person, but at least on my country, the economic recesion is far away from see the light...
Hard times correspond to working harder!
the economy is getting worse and worse every day in every country i think we should go to space and make new countries now
I'm proof that the economy is in the dumps.
At home enjoying time with my little ones...
HotJobbing, Craiglistin', Careerbuilding, Indeeding, sleeping...
Aaaahhhh....this is the life...
2 months and counting...
No rush.
Simply stated, the economy is getting worse.
Creditors are becoming more stringent as are people with expendable capital.
We're in for the long haul.
Worse. Read up.
Oh look!!! I'm ranting!!!
leobox1 said:
what are your thoughts?
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Sorry...but what do you mean by "One year on?" This situation we're all in has been brewing since 2006...it's just the lame terminology of what a recession is (a widespread decline in the GDP and employment and trade lasting from six months to a year). I worked with the building trade (provided tools and equipment) and we could see the slow decline in building around the last quarter in 2006. This was a sign that there was something going on...and of course the 5 year mark on ARM loans for homes was just a nail in the economic coffin. People being given homes that banks knew they could not afford--lying--err..."Underwriting" assets to inflate a person's assets so they could get a bigger loan. So...here we are with
-people living in apartments,
-working hard to get a condo or a townhouse for $120K in 2000,
-smiling in 2002 at the inflated equity their $425K home currently has,
-Using said equity to purchase a $700K house at ARM and paying only $2K a month
-Realizing that the 5 years is up and that their loan has now skyrocketed to $5K a month
-Not being able to afford such a payment, $300K in equity down the drain...
-back in an apartment.
Very sad, but I'm sure you know of at least on of these situations...
For those that are having trouble paying their home (at no fault of their own) such as loss of income, disability, hardship...Google up HAM loan modification...
might help...
leobox1 said:
what are your thoughts?
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Unfortunately, the picture is not as rosey as the government & wallstreet want U to beleave. We have a long way to go for paying down the deposite and creating good jobs!
I am a pesimistic person
but I say it may have gotten a bit better
but the damage don with companys going under
and people being fired have not peeked yet nor is it likely
to this year
In India, i think we have not even seen as such as being seen by Americans.
Lots of Indian shifting back to India from America. But nonetheless we have seen some decline in sales and jobs markets, but not as much as in abroad.
guess on the ground, things are still tough..
then its scary to see the markets value going up these days again as it may
be a bubble again...
when you hit rock bottom there is only up to go
think it got some raising to do before it could be a bubble
because now most is worth more then you can get for it
Still stuck in the rut no job not prospects no future "yeah i'm making a joke" but infact i have seen no change in the current climate with work being the bigest was made redundant and the field i work in is a bismal "in my location" and has been since the day i had to leave........
Fix Up........... Look Sharpe........
Things can only get better
+1!!
That´s the positive thinking!!
Cheers for that!
oil is now at $70+
way above the low of $30+
Unemployment index is still very high, and many companies are still a bit hesitant about hiring. However, Dow Jones is moving up (though it might just be a slight bit of higher confidence), the housing market is slowly recovering (though bad mortgages are still being collected, and "big banks" are still writing them off), hiring is looking somewhat positive for the first time in a while and consumer confidence is starting to pick up again (retail is looking good again, meaning people are spending more).
Nobody's really sure whether this is the light at the end of the tunnel, but it might be a little break from the storm.
I think many factors are behind the share rally. The cash for clunkers program is one. The Chinese government's forcing its bank to lend is another. Then, there is also the issue of financial institution given the leeway to value the toxic assets as anyting they want once again which mask the problems. Add to that the massive money printing by the US government, and some of those money are now propping up the US share market.
Bank CEO's are doing anything in their power (including cooking their books) to justify paying themselves obscene bonuses once again.
When the Chinese government forced the State controlled banks to lend, there is no actual demand by businesses or individuals to borrow it. After all the export market is shrinking rapidly. But since the order from the top must be followed, the banks have to bribe the borrowers to accept the loan. These loans ended up in risky properties, shares, and commodity futures bets and gambles. We already see how the Shanghai A share plunged 20% within a few days recently when the Chinese goverment announced that it is "finetuning" its lending policy. The Chinese has yet to learn to spell bubbles but I think it is definitely forming and that will in turn send a shockwave throughout the world.
Unemployment is still worsening, not geting better. The loan defaults in US is now a more serious problem in the primed mortgage area, even surpassing that in the subprime mortage area. The banks are once again packaging extremely risky assets and try to market them to unsuspecting investors all over again.
According to some reports, the insiders are throwing out their own share at the ratio of 8:1 (for every share they buy, they're selling 8), while the fools are being sucked in once again.
Unfortunately, retail investors will never learn. Memory is short. The reason is we're all driven by greed. Many are investing purely with a herd's mentality. Once again, they're not happy with a small trading profit and try to hold it longer for larger gain. Once again, they may find out that when the market head for the exit again, they can't sell it fast enough as the big guys who have everything computerised.
There is so much spin going around in the market, with so many experts telling us that the economy has recovered. They won't tell you about 77 (edit: Just read from Bloomberg that it is now 84 in the year 2009) US banks have already collapsed this year. According to a very famous analyst, hundreds more are heading that way. They manipulate the unemployment figures to make it look less worst than it actually is. They are trying to encourage private investor to buy up those lousy banks with worthless assets.
I think the world is now characterised by the Chinese doing all the hardwork for the West to enjoy, and their money are still with the west in the form of investments that they are stuck with. This was the great imbalance that, unless corrected, will continue to worsen the problem of the world. This imbalance is unsustainable.
The "stimulus" is no stimulus that resume the heatbeat when removed. It is more like a crutch, which remove, the patient collapses once again.
The world needs reform. The imbalance needs to be addressed. The Chinese/Japanese/Indian must start consuming more and save less. The West must start consuming less and save more. There is also progressively more imbalance in the world in terms of pay. Just look at what the greedy CEOs are getting compared to the ordinary workers. As a result, the purchasing power of the masses, hence consumption power in the economy, will suffer.
Just my 2 cents.
newsuser, nice read
S&P500 is now above 1000
I think economy will recover at least a little bit in the next year. Of course recovering from what happened is hard and takes several years but I am quite positive that it will go up again, at least because everyone tightened their belts a little bit. I think that was kind of an important lesson learned for our society. Not everything works out the way we want forever.
s&p500 is now around 1060 .. rather fast do u folks think?
so bored...
Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and, with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him a super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.
what...can you do better than "The poster above me...." ????
Bored uh?
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"It is legal to commit a homicide as long as you tell the person when, and how you are going to kill them."
made me laugh!!!
"It is illegal to carry a pair of wire-cutters in your back pocket." -- so its legal if you carry them in your front pocket??
telegraph0000 said:
Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and, with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him a super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.
what...can you do better than "The poster above me...." ????
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Dear Telegraph,
Pl speak on ur own self..Not on others..When u show a fingers to others at the same moment four fingers are ur side..
psolunke said:
Dear Telegraph,
Pl speak on ur own self..Not on others..When u show a fingers to others at the same moment four fingers are ur side..
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Sorry......HUH????
telegraph0000 said:
Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.. He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and, with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him a super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.
what...can you do better than "The poster above me...." ????
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"'Ghandi' is what you said...
An Indian with a bald head...
And he was a bit underfed,
Write it down, mother f******!
Yeah, FIRED, from that job..."
Lol, as soon as I saw "Ghandi," that's what popped into my head. That's from a skit/song of Stephen Lynch's called "History Lesson." He's a funny man.
telegraph0000 said:
Sorry......HUH????
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I think what he was trying to say was when you point your finger at somebody, there are always four fingers pointing back at you. Why he was saying that, I have no idea.
fiktion said:
I think what he was trying to say was when you point your finger at somebody, there are always four fingers pointing back at you. Why he was saying that, I have no idea.
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Okay..thanks...(you should censor part of yo' rap my vanilla bro')
So...If I point a $10 bill at someone...what will happen????
How do we get 4-fingers pointing at ourself? unless I bend my thumb into a weird position, I can only get 3.
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It's illegal to purchase alcohol before 1pm on Sundays in the city of Coral Gables.
California:
Many animals are illegal to own as pets, including snails, sloths, and elephants.
Bathhouses are against the law.
In an animal shelter, lizards and snakes are treated under the same guidelines as cats and dogs.
No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.
Women may not drive in a house coat.
It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
Arcadia
Peacocks have the right of way to cross any street, including driveways.
Alhambra
You cannot leave your car on the street overnight without the proper permit.
Baldwin Park
Nobody is allowed to ride a bicycle in a swimming pool.
Belvedere
City Council order reads: “No dog shall be in a public place without its master on a leash.”
Blythe
You are not permitted to wear cowboy boots unless you already own at least two cows.
Burlingame
It is illegal to spit, except on baseball diamonds.
Carmel
Ice cream may not be eaten while standing on the sidewalk. (Repealed when Clint Eastwood was mayor)
Women may not wear high heels while in the city limits.
Chico
Detonating a nuclear device within the city limits results in a $500 fine.
Downey
It is illegal to wash your car in the street. (Passed 1995).
Hollywood
It is illegal to drive more than two thousand sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time.
Lafayette
You are forbidden to spit on the ground within 5 feet of another person.
Lodi
It is illegal to own or sell “Silly String”.
Lompoc
It is illegal to posses, own or raise roosters. This is considered disturbing the peace.
Long Beach
It is illegal to curse on a mini-golf course.
Cars are the only item allowed in a garage.
Los Angeles
Toads may not be licked.
You may not hunt moths under a street light.
It is a crime for dogs to mate within 500 yards of a church. Breaking this law is punishable by a fine of $500 and/or six months in prison.
You cannot bathe two babies in the same tub at the same time.
Zoot suits are prohibited.
It is illegal to cry on the witness stand.
It is illegal for a man to beat his wife with a strap wider than 2 inches without her consent.
Ontario
Roosters may not crow in the city limits.
Pacific Grove
Molesting butterflies can result in a $500 fine.
Palm Springs
It is illegal to walk a camel down Palm Canyon Drive between the hours of four and six PM.
Pasadena
It is illegal for a secretary to be alone in a room with her boss.
Prunedale
Two bathtubs may not be installed in the same house.
Redlands
Motor vehicles may not drive on city streets unless a man with a lantern is wallking ahead of it.
Riverside
One may not carry a lunch down the street between 11 and 1 o’clock.
San Diego
The owners of houses with Christmas lights on them past February second may be fined up to $250.
It is illegal to shoot jackrabbits from the back of a streetcar.
San Francisco
Persons classified as “ugly” may not walk down any street.
Prohibits elephants from strolling down Market Street unless they are on a leash.
It is illegal to pile horse manure more than six feet high on a street corner.
It is illegal to wipe one’s car with used underwear.
San Jose
It is illegal to have more than two cats or dogs. -Ord. 7.08.595 (Meh, that one doesn't sound so dumb)
Santa Monica
You may not play percussion instruments on the beach.
Temecula
Ducks have the right of way to cross Rancho California St. at all times.
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Well, you know. I do what I can.
In talking about the ruling for Apple against HTC (thread was closed), there was a statement made to the effect that Steve Job's mission was to destroy Android...and it was questioned. Yes he said it. Its in Biography Book
~Steve Jobs said:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong, I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
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On Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1451648537
Nearly every tech blog covered this quote as soon as the book was released. It's controversial and sure to stir up arguments. To be honest, I think the quote is misleading and is taken out of context.
If you read the rest of his bio, it mentions that Steve lives in his own reality distortion field.
There are 2 sides to this. On the positive side, he was able to will his product designs into existence. Eg, when he asked Woz to come up with a game within a few days, Woz said that it was impossible and that it would take at least weeks. Steve insisted it was possible and an inspired Woz achieved the unthinkable.
On the negative side, he chose to simply not acknowledge anything that he didn't like. A perfect example would be his own illness. He delayed the required medical treatment because he thought that his own treatment plan would work (despite going against medical advice). If he wasn't that stubborn, he would probably still be here today.
It could very well be that he thinks Android is a stolen product. But that's just his own distorted mindset.
I know the context of the quote...wont get into that. Just answering a question about if he actually said that....
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Rolling my eyes,
To Steve, anything with with a rectangular shape and a touch screen is stolen from Apple. Their lawsuits are proof of that.
Hahaha
Sent from my LG-P999
and Apple still got defeated.... LOL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22279510
Im going to post their letter in its entirety and hope you guys sign the petition as the first petition has influenced the E.U. Parliament to wash its hands off ACTA and submit it to the court. We need a second petition to bash ACTAs Head in
for good.
Dear friends,
In days, the European Commission will try a last ditch attempt to revive ACTA. But we can shine a light on their dirty trick and foil their plans.
Governments are turning their back on ACTA one by one, so the EC is asking their Court of Justice to give the treaty the greenlight and renew its momentum -- but they plan to manipulate the process by giving the court only a narrow, uncontroversial question to consider, hoping it will lead to a positive outcome.
We can push the court to see though the EC's ploy and look at all the legal implications of this censorship treaty on our freedoms -- forcing a negative decision that kills ACTA for good. Click below to sign the call:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/acta_time_to_win//?vl
The European Commission spent five years negotiating ACTA in secret with corporations, but in the last five weeks we've blown the ACTA debate into the open. Now the Commission is fighting to keep ACTA alive by getting the blessing of the EU’s highest court. Unless we step in now the Commission, well-versed in bureaucratic dodges, may only present the court with a narrow question, preventing it from assessing ACTA's impacts on our freedom of expression, privacy and democracy.
We’ve forced governments in Poland, Germany, Bulgaria and other countries to freeze ratification. And now, if we win this battle in the European Commission, we can stop ACTA for good. If the EU does not ratify, ACTA will never become a global agreement and negotiators will have to go back to the drawing board to produce a treaty that stops genuine abuses but protects our rights.
Let's urgently call on the Commission and Court to give ACTA a full and fair hearing, and make sure the whole truth about this threat to our fundamental freedoms is revealed. Sign now and send this to everyone:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/acta_time_to_win//?cl=1633964172&v=12965
Millions of us joined together to fight for Internet freedom and stop the US censorship laws. We won, but now this threat is back on a global scale with ACTA. We've done what no one thought we could and stopped the treaty's march to ratification. Let's finish what we started and beat back ACTA, for good!
With hope and determination,
Alex, Pascal, Laura, Alice, Ricken, Dalia, Diego and the whole Avaaz team
PS. Check out the media coverage of our 2.4 million strong petition delivery to the European Parliament on Tuesday -- we caused quite a stir!
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