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Fish or Chips?

Seems to be an ongoing thing in these forums Recently..
So what do you prefer The fish? Or the Chips?

Well, being diabetic I have to stay away from the potatoes, so it's the fish for me. If I didn't care about my blood sugar it would have to be BOTH!
Sometimes Americans are such idiots. I ordered fish and chips the other day (substituted salad for the chips), and the waitress had no clue what "malt vinegar" was. Took her and the manager 10 minutes to find a crusty old bottle.

Sometimes Americans are such idiots
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Lets try and stay away from rash and general statements. Not all American's are idiots.
Anyway, Fish and Chips is the embodiment of British Culture, along with the pinstripe suit... How... cultural.

well chips as brits call it or frenchfries as some others call it was invented in Belgium ....

What..? You mean it wasn't invented in Yorkshire!???! :shock:

i fink you got the wrong end of the stick jupiter Yorkshire puds came from Yorkshire!

Sounds like a Belgian conspiracy to me.

This can help...?
For also in the 1840s, pomme frites ("fried potatoes") first appeared in Paris. Sadly, we don't know the name of the ingenious chef who first sliced the potato into long slender pieces and fried them. But they were immediately popular, and were sold on the streets of Paris by push-cart vendors.
Frites spread to America where they were called French fried potatoes. You asked how they got their name--pretty obvious, I'd say: they came from France, and they were fried potatoes, so they were called "French fried potatoes." The name was shortened to "french fries" in the 1930s.
By the way, the verb "to french" in cooking has come to mean to cut in long, slender strips, and some people insist that "french fries" come from that term. However, the French fried potato was known since the middle 1800s, while the OED cites the first use of the verb "to french" around 1895, so it appears pretty convincing that "french fried potatoes" came before the verb "frenching." The origin of the name is thus the country of origin French and not the cooking term french.
In the U.K., fried fish had been on sale by street vendors since the 1600s. In 1864, a brilliant (but, alas, unknown) Brit teamed French fried potatoes (called "chips" in English) with fried fish, to create the famous and popular fish and chips.

Lets try and stay away from rash and general statements. Not all American's are idiots.
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I'm American. Well, by birth I'm Cuban, but been here for 35 years and consider myself and American. Sometimes Americans are quite clueless, and I provided the anecdotal evidence. People in other countries can be clueless too, but in general I think we in America are exceptionally clueless on things that aren't American. Like malt vinegar on your fish.
Damn it. Now I'm hungry.

I have to take issue with the use of chips and french fries as synonyms. (Sorry, that sounded a bit snooty).
Proper chips from a chip shop (and how my granny makes them) are much thicker than the stringy french fries you get from the likes of McDonalds or Burger King and do not come pre-covered with a salt/sugar coating. They are chipped potatoes not re-constituted potato matter and therefore taste more "potato-y".
As a matter of personal taste, I have to have salt and vinegar - the proper malt vinegar, not the french stuff made from wine that's gone off - with my chips. If bought from a chippy, they should be eaten from a newspaper, generally a tabloid, and on the way back from a football match.
I'm going to stop now 'cos I'm ranting on and getting very hungry!

Yiu cant beat the smell of freshly fried fish and chips..
hmmmmm.....

Fook me I Invented this Topic and now I'm getting a bloody history lesson!!! :shock:

Are you averse to education?

Averse???

Averse
adj.
Having a feeling of opposition, distaste, or aversion; strongly disinclined: investors who are averse to taking risks.

I quote the belgian fries site :
Of course, in good food tradition, the French claim to be the inventors of our beloved fries: they originated in Paris on the Pont Neuf (fries are still called like that in the chique French restaurants) somewhere in the middle of the 19th century. As with most "French" inventions, they forgot to note the name of the inventor and they are still searching for proof. .
Anyway, we modest Belgians, don't mind the French claim, because we know that fries are Gods gift to our people.
Pictures and texts proof that fries were all around our country in the second half of the 19th century. The oldest written proof is dated 1862 and mentions a certain Fritz and the widow Descamps as owners of a fry stand on the Liège 'kermis'. In 1891 a picture of both stands was taken.
Jo Gerard, a famous Belgian historian, claims to have proof that fries were invented in the region of the Meuse in 1680. Based on an unpublished document, he writes that the poor inhabitants of this region ate mostly fish. When the river frooze, they cut their potatous in a fish-shape and fried them.

Who cares who made them. They are the most unhealthy things you could eat, dipped in oil.
Who wants to admit to inventing the biological cause to the worlds obesity problem!!!!

Fook me i'm enjoying this post its probably the most entertaining historical insight into anything on here

In the US, it was basically impossible to find something labeled "fish and chips" anywhere, until recently. If you ordered some sort of fish meal, then it would come with mashed potatoes or some other "more cultured" side. Likewise, bangers and mash is basically unheard of, though a few places will feature it.
Battered fried fish is generally considered of low value here, I guess due to being associated with garbage like fish sticks. These are nasty little bars of compressed fish meal, battered and either fried or baked. Very cheap, very bland. Served with "tartar sauce" to try to give them some flavor.
Last night I battered up some catfish in corn meal. That's a typical meal from the Southern US (Cajun). You guys on that side of the Atlantic ever eat it that way (or eat catfish at all)?

Have you ever tasted Fish and Chips?
You think fish and mash is cultured?

this is what will happen to me the first day i get my kaiser

http://www.influks.com/post636.html
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Ouch!!! that's gotta hurt

Damn, but it was his own fault

it all depends. the guy could have been on the phone to their father on his death bed for all you know. He could have been taking notes about the class on his kaiser.
The teacher had no right to smash it - personally I would take him to court.
Acceptable actions would have been to confiscate the phone or to eject the student from the class, not destroy private property.

Well, you got there
1. Criminal Battery (taking a women's purse off her wrist is considered a battery because its a unwarranted touching of something attached to the person)
2. Theft and destruction of property.
Teacher could face criminal charges and restitution of the amount for the phone
Also could file a lawsuit for the cost of the phone and the cost of having to go get another one.
Assuming this is in the US.
Hmmm, Civil or Criminal route. but fear not, tell your teacher he better pony up the cash to buy a new one or else your going to have to exersise the legal options available to you.
Not smart on the phone in class, but you got to be an idiot to smash it

no jury in the world would convict!

I would just get up and kick his ass.....
Thats almost as bad as physically assaulting someone. Especially if they just got a brand new 800.00 dollar Kaiser
JB

Buzz313th said:
I would just get up and kick his ass.....
Thats almost as bad as physically assaulting someone. Especially if they just got a brand new 800.00 dollar Kaiser
JB
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i can not even imagine the beating i would put on that guy.

haha so much interesting feedback. fortunatly it was no kaiser, just some cheap flip phone.

"County places obese Cleveland Heights child in foster care"

An 8 year old boy was removed from his home, and his mother stripped of custody over is weight. The child was 200lbs. Has CPS overstepped the boundaries here, or is this justified?
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/11/obese_cleveland_heights_child.html said:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An 8-year-old Cleveland Heights boy was taken from his family and placed in foster care last month after county case workers said his mother wasn't doing enough to control his weight.
At more than 200 pounds, the third-grader is considered severely obese and at risk for developing such diseases as diabetes and hypertension.
But even though the state health department estimates more than 12 percent of third-graders statewide are severely obese -- that could mean 1,380 in Cuyahoga County alone -- this is the first time anyone in the county or the state can recall a child being taken from a parent for a strictly weight-related issue.
The case plays into an emerging national debate that has some urging social-service agencies to step in when parents have failed to address a weight problem.
Others suggest there's hypocrisy in a government that would advocate taking children away for being overweight while saying it's OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in fast-food kids' meals.
Cuyahoga County does not have a specific policy on dealing with obese children. It removed the boy because case workers considered this mother's inability to get her son's weight down a form of medical neglect, said Mary Louise Madigan, a spokeswoman for the Department of Children and Family Services.
They said that the child's weight gain was caused by his environment and that the mother wasn't following doctor's orders -- which she disputes.
"This child's problem was so severe that we had to take custody," Madigan said. The agency worked with the mother for more than a year before asking Juvenile Court for custody of the child, she said.
Lawyers for the mother, a substitute elementary school teacher who is also taking vocational school classes, think the county has overreached in this case by arguing that medical conditions the boy is at risk for -- but doesn't yet have -- pose an imminent danger to his health.
They question whether the emotional impact of being yanked from his family, school and friends was also considered.
"I think we would concede that some intervention is appropriate," Juvenile Public Defender Sam Amata said. "But what risk became imminent? When did it become an immediate problem?"
Children are ordinarily removed from their homes for physical abuse, neglect or undernourishment.
Amata said that in his decades as a public defender, he has seen children left in homes with parents who have severe drug problems or who have beaten their children, with the reasoning that there isn't an immediate danger to the child.
In this case, Amata said, other than having a weight problem, the boy was a normal elementary school student who was on the honor roll and participated in school activities.
Records show the child's only current medical problem, sleep apnea, is being treated and that he wears a machine nightly that helps and monitors his breathing.
"They are trying to make it seem like I am unfit, like I don't love my child," the boy's mother said.
"Of course I love him. Of course I want him to lose weight. It's a lifestyle change, and they are trying to make it seem like I am not embracing that. It is very hard, but I am trying."
The mother and the boy are not named in this story because The Plain Dealer does not generally identify those involved in abuse cases.
The mother said that social workers took her son from his school on Oct. 19 and told her she could see him only once a week for two hours. The boy is living in a foster home.
Next month, the two sides will debate the case in front of a Juvenile Court magistrate, who will decide what is in the boy's best interest. A trial is set on the child's 9th birthday.
Rainbow hospital program for kids, families
County workers were alerted to the child's weight in early 2010 after his mother took him to a hospital for breathing problems. He was diagnosed with sleep apnea, which can be weight-related, and was given the breathing machine. Social workers began to monitor him under what the county calls protective supervision.
Last year, the boy lost weight but in recent months began to gain it back rapidly. That's when the county moved to take the child, records show.
The mother said that when she found out that other kids and a sibling might be giving her son extra food, she tried to put a stop to it and explain to him that he could eat only certain foods.
She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise.
The mother wonders what role genetics plays in the boy's condition -- both she and his father and some other family members are overweight, she said. However, she also has a 16-year-old son who is tall and thin.
The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight.
That program has evaluated more than 900 overweight and obese children from the ages of 4 to 8 since 2005. A team of specialty doctors, nutritionists, psychologists and others treat the children and work to educate families about creating healthy eating habits.
Dr. Naveen Uli, a pediatric endocrinologist and co-director of the program, said he is seeing more children who are quickly developing diseases that in the past were seen only in adults, like Type 2 diabetes and hypertension. These can affect a person's health, life span and health care costs, he said.
But he said interventions need to be targeted, if possible, for the whole family.
Uli said many families in the program have found it difficult to relearn how to eat, to read and translate confusing food labels and to make the healthy choices. Not all families complete the intense 12-week program, or they are unwilling or unable to grasp the seriousness of the threat, he said.
There is no policy on whether to report obese children to the county if they do not complete the program, but doctors can call if they think the child is at risk.
Uli said most of the children don't require immediate medical intervention but instead need help to prevent them from getting diseases like diabetes.
Uli said that in most cases, he thinks that keeping the family unit intact is better. But if that doesn't work, other interventions have to be derived, he said.
Debate emerges nationally on best ways to intervene
That is precisely what is at the core of a debate that is emerging nationally in the discussions about childhood obesity.
Earlier this year, Dr. David Ludwig, Harvard University professor and pediatric obesity expert, urged children's services agencies to intervene in severe cases when parents have failed to address a weight problem that leads to imminent health risks.
Ludwig, the co-author of an article that appeared in the Journal of American Medical Association this summer, said other interventions should be tried first and that children should be removed only as a last resort.
The article cited the example of a 12-year-old patient of Ludwig's who weighed 400 pounds and had developed diabetes, cholesterol problems, high blood pressure and sleep apnea -- conditions that could kill her before the age of 30.
But others question whether a future risk is enough to separate a child from a family.
Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics and medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said that before a trend of removing children takes hold, the broader public-policy issue needs to be explored.
"A 218-pound 8-year-old is a time bomb," Caplan acknowledged. "But the government cannot raise these children. A third of kids are fat. We aren't going to move them all to foster care. We can't afford it, and I'm not sure there are enough foster parents to do it. "
He said he is worried that the families with the fewest resources, which are often minorities, will end up being ones with their children removed.
Caplan said one could get ethical whiplash in a world where one arm of government is so concerned about a child's weight that it removes him from his home, while another branch of government argues that french fries and tomato paste on pizza should be counted as servings of vegetables.
"It's completely hypocritical, or to put it another way, a schizophrenic stance," he said.
"It's OK to threaten to take a kid away or charge someone more for insurance," he said. "But it's also OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in kids' meals."
In the Cleveland Heights case, county workers believed that disconnecting the boy from his family, at least temporarily, might help. And he has lost a few pounds in the last month.
But now lawyers for the mother say they've been told that the foster mother who has the child in a neighboring suburb is having trouble keeping up with all of his appointments.
There was even a discussion about getting the foster mother additional help or moving the child again, this time to a foster home with a personal trainer, Amata said.
"I wonder why they didn't offer the mother that kind of extra help," Amata said.
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edit: IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?

Tomdg07 said:
IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?
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PM a mod and see if they can get it done, but probably via an admin.

Genetics, being blamed for Greed and Sloth since 1980
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Lack of education is the real issue. The kid should have been sent to a 'Fat Camp' and the mother sentenced to Community Service and Counselling.

Only an admin can change polls. PM MikeChannon.

As for the article, CPS was right to take the kid. I mean 200 punds at 8 years old. I'm 20 and never reached 200 lbs, most I think was like 188. And genetics my ass. Also many of them say its a disease. What's the name, hunger?

The artcile says "The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Childrens Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight", and also "She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise." No where did the article indicate that she was not cooperating with CPS or coordinating with dr's to help the kid lose the weight.
While I do not see CPS removing a child from a home in these situations as a protecting act it is a very grey matter. If the mom had agreed to such programs its hard to say this instance was justified unless theres is some proof she is neglecting the childs health behind closed doors, which isnt clear here as shes been taking him to see doctors on the matter. But than you also have to remember that you dont get to 200 lbs at 8yrs old by siblings sneaking you snacks...

Informative S. Jobs Quote =]

In talking about the ruling for Apple against HTC (thread was closed), there was a statement made to the effect that Steve Job's mission was to destroy Android...and it was questioned. Yes he said it. Its in Biography Book
~Steve Jobs said:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong, I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
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On Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1451648537

Nearly every tech blog covered this quote as soon as the book was released. It's controversial and sure to stir up arguments. To be honest, I think the quote is misleading and is taken out of context.
If you read the rest of his bio, it mentions that Steve lives in his own reality distortion field.
There are 2 sides to this. On the positive side, he was able to will his product designs into existence. Eg, when he asked Woz to come up with a game within a few days, Woz said that it was impossible and that it would take at least weeks. Steve insisted it was possible and an inspired Woz achieved the unthinkable.
On the negative side, he chose to simply not acknowledge anything that he didn't like. A perfect example would be his own illness. He delayed the required medical treatment because he thought that his own treatment plan would work (despite going against medical advice). If he wasn't that stubborn, he would probably still be here today.
It could very well be that he thinks Android is a stolen product. But that's just his own distorted mindset.

I know the context of the quote...wont get into that. Just answering a question about if he actually said that....
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Rolling my eyes,
To Steve, anything with with a rectangular shape and a touch screen is stolen from Apple. Their lawsuits are proof of that.

Hahaha
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and Apple still got defeated.... LOL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22279510

Uncle Ben's smartphone

Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Pics or it didn't happen!
PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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Screenshot from an early unboxing video:

SEXY HOX?
Anyways now's its a party LM is here!
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Pics or it didn't happen!
PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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That's what she said.
In regards to the quality of members that is.

LordManhattan said:
Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.
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Simmer down now.

MissionImprobable said:
Simmer down now.
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I'm sorry Dave, i can't do that rice now.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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Or rather... out of the pot.

Debel said:
Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

Wait just a minute rice
I drink, yet you're the one in AA. :beer:

At first I thought he was using a phone on the ads and you were complaining that it was some iC**p, but then I read it and thought 0_o
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