Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Pics or it didn't happen!
PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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Screenshot from an early unboxing video:
SEXY HOX?
Anyways now's its a party LM is here!
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PM me when you are ready to upload pics and I will reopen the thread.
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This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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That's what she said.
In regards to the quality of members that is.
LordManhattan said:
Yup, you're rice, it has gotten out of hand.
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Simmer down now.
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Simmer down now.
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I'm sorry Dave, i can't do that rice now.
TheSkinnyDrummer said:
This site has absolutely gotten out of hand.
Sent from my coffee pot.
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Or rather... out of the pot.
Debel said:
Hoping to boost profits by cutting into the valuable market share currently occupied by Apple's popular iPhone 4S, top American rice manufacturer Uncle Ben’s announced plans Tuesday to release its first-ever smartphone.
Uncle Ben's, a company traditionally known for producing white, whole-grain brown, and flavored rices, confirmed a Nov. 23 launch date for its new "Basmati" phone, a 4G-capable device expected to serve as the brand’s flagship product as the company makes its entry into the lucrative mobile technology sector.
"Whether it's instant rice, country-style rice, boil-in-a-bag rice, or smartphones, Uncle Ben’s has always been committed to innovation," a statement from the company read in part. "In 1942, we introduced the world to easy-to-cook parboiled rice. Today, we wish to introduce you to a new vision, one in which people can cook up some Uncle Ben's on the stove and, at the same time, be on their Basmati browsing our marketplace for some new apps and texting their friends with our Instant Rice Messenger."
"Our customer base is increasingly young, connected, and on the go," the statement continued, "and we're uniquely positioned to become the only company in America to simultaneously offer international phone service, Internet access, GPS, broccoli rice au gratin, and MP3 downloads of top recording artists."
As first reported by TechCrunch and the USA Rice Council, the Basmati will feature a 5.3-inch
Traditionally, the Uncle Ben’s company has been
display with a density of 285 pixels per inch, a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor, and two gigabytes of RAM, as well as a "robust set of entertainment features" that includes a rear-mounted 8-megapixel autofocus camera, dozens of preloaded stir-fry recipes, and Adobe Flash
In addition, the Basmati will run on Uncle Ben’s proprietary Long-Grain Operating System, a platform designed to optimize graphics performance and speed using processes that, according to technical specifications released by the rice producer, "are
"Uncle Ben's is a name Americans already know and trust," said company president Vincent Howell, adding that he hopes the Basmati will become the iPhone’s foremost competitor within three years. "When they see that face smiling up at them, they'll know they picked the right phone. It's time for us to build on Uncle Ben's success, and that means making a run at Apple. Amazon, Google—they're all in the game here, and if we don't get on this, we'll be left behind. Right now those guys are eating our lunch.”
"We have the brand recognition," the president of the rice company added. "So let's capitalize on it with this
Many at the company expressed a like-minded confidence in the project, with one board member enthusiastically saying, “I think people are going to like an Uncle Ben’s phone even if they don’t like rice all that much.” Executives noted that their marketplace was rapidly changing, and whether they liked it or not, they would have to change with it.
"Rice just isn't going to cut it anymore," said Tim Snyder, Uncle Ben's vice president of marketing. "If we don't get a smartphone on the market soon, we’ll have nothing to offer the millions of consumers out there who are eager to shell out hundreds of dollars for the latest high-tech gadget, but who—let's face it—aren't nearly that enthusiastic about rice."
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Wait just a minute rice
I drink, yet you're the one in AA. :beer:
At first I thought he was using a phone on the ads and you were complaining that it was some iC**p, but then I read it and thought 0_o
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I made this thread because I'm pretty sure other threads are made of this topic but I wanted to create a newer one since all these new products are coming out.
I would choose Apple because:
1)Selling over priced, under powered (for the price) computers that have no customization (well barely and I mean like building your own)
2) Changing the animal on their OS, add a .1, add features that can come in an update, and calling it a whole new OS.
3) Selling the iPhone and making the iPad (the iPod touch seems like the only good Apple Product). They don't know what the term "smart" phone means. I mean no multi tasking, boring, un-creative UI. The features in the iPhone/iPad may have been ground breaking 7 years ago but not today.
4) How it makes the fanboyz/fangirlz go crazy about the product because they hypnotized them about how they are good and the other companies are evil. The fanboyz/fangirlz are mad because they spent a lot of cash on an over priced piece of doo-doop) and they have to unleash their anger on past mistakes of another company while forgetting about the new features in the product today.
I like only one thing of apple products and mostly their software for computers: They have pretty good video editing software and that is pretty much it.
Unleash your inner fanboy/fangirl and just rant.
Apple has done a lot for the world though, with the ipod influencing other MP3 players, as well as showing that the linux based operating system can be used in mainstream media. I'd go more with AT&T and verizon mostly because of the monopolies that they have on the cell phone market right now. I'd rather have no contract phones which allow a pay per use plan. Either that or Walmart because of their screwing consumers.
All the oil/petroleum companys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AndroidNoobie said:
I made this thread because I'm pretty sure other threads are made of this topic but I wanted to create a newer one since all these new products are coming out.
I would choose Apple because:
1)Selling over priced, under powered (for the price) computers that have no customization (well barely and I mean like building your own)
2) Changing the animal on their OS, add a .1, add features that can come in an update, and calling it a whole new OS.
3) Selling the iPhone and making the iPad (the iPod touch seems like the only good Apple Product). They don't know what the term "smart" phone means. I mean no multi tasking, boring, un-creative UI. The features in the iPhone/iPad may have been ground breaking 7 years ago but not today.
4) How it makes the fanboyz/fangirlz go crazy about the product because they hypnotized them about how they are good and the other companies are evil. The fanboyz/fangirlz are mad because they spent a lot of cash on an over priced piece of doo-doop) and they have to unleash their anger on past mistakes of another company while forgetting about the new features in the product today.
I like only one thing of apple products and mostly their software for computers: They have pretty good video editing software and that is pretty much it.
Unleash your inner fanboy/fangirl and just rant.
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I agree with you completely. Don't forget Quicktime (terrible UI and runs background services), iTunes (way to lock up music, Apple), iPods (same dial, same disk space, half the price elsewhere), and the iPod touch (what's the purpose or purchasing a stand-alone portable media wifi device again? that must come in real handy on the beach, in clubs, bars, and everywhere else wifi doesn't exist).
Also, who can really respect a company that basically releases dumbed-down technology basically saying that their customers are slow and stupid and lack self-respect when it comes to not being able to customize their portable devices? Notice how in the Windows Phone 7 Series walk-through found on MSDN today, the president/manager of the project said, "If you buy the phone we are going to let you customize it."
Also, special mention for Verizon, who really has worked hard to rip off the average consumer.
verizon. worst company ever.
AT$T has to go. This is undoutedly the worst company in the world. They have their heads so far up Apple's ass they should be called Apple T$T.
They simply do not care that people hate them, they have no new phones, except updated Tilts and Diamonds. They have the absolute worst customer service
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/...sumer-reports-best-cell-phone-service-survey/
Latest example: My wife and I split ( no big deal , long time coming ) she decided that she wanted to take the iPhone that I bought her and the Propel that I bought her son, both of which I had put on my account, and get her own acount with AT$T. Without any notice to me, AT$T allowed her to take the phones and signed her up to two new two year contracts, and as I only found out yesterday, charged me with $300 dollars in early termination fees. When I challenged them on this, they said that I can always continue to pay for the numbers until the contract runs out. I asked them , since they allowed her to take the phone off of my account, why don't they just terminate the contract.
They informed me that the contract was for the numbers not the handsets. And that who ever was using the handsets, was out of their control. They further said that the contracts are meant to offset the subsidizing of the phones. I clearly pointed out that holding me to the balance of the original contract for the phones and then signing them up to two new two year contracts for the same two phones, was " double dipping " and that any reasonable customer service rep who wanted to keep a 7 year customer with four phones on AT$T would see that by cancelling the two contracts, AT$T was not losing any money and had infact guaranteed themselves more money by signing the ex and her son to two new 2 year contracts.
At which point they continued their mantra " the contract was for the phone numbers, not the phones themselves. " At which point, I cancelled the two phones that I had that were out of contract. Put the ex and her son's # on suspended service for $9.99 a month until the contract expires. And now must make a decision on what to do with my iPhone in July when that contract runs out. In the last seven years, I have paid AT$T $ 10,000- $14,000 in connection fees, and some dope in their customer service dept is forcing me to go elsewhere over $300 in early termination fees that are being paid for by " double dipping " in another account. Stupidity like this has got to go.
Where would this company be if Steve Jobs decides to yank there heads out of his butt ?
Oh Yeah, iPhone, Mac Book, iPod touch, 2 iMacs, U2 iPod classic = Apple Fanboy here.
Everybody hates the people who " get it "
Rogers Wireless, which used to be Rogers AT&T. We're seeing a pattern here
Probably AT&T. AT&T has terrible service nearly everywhere, crappy customer service (moreso than most telcos), and poor overall selection of devices.
Ever since the iPhone was introduced, AT&T has basically given up on maintaining their network at a usable level. The worst is when you call their terrible customer service only to be greeted by a voice announcing that they are "home of the iPhone" before you actually get help. I don't hate the iPhone, I have a few of them in fact, but I hate how AT&T having exclusivity over the iPhone has led to them ignoring all other aspects of their company.
They've almost forgotten about Windows Mobile and have completely ignored Android and WebOS devices, instead opting for more feature phones, because we all need more $20 Nokias and Samsungs. AT&T stopped trying once they got exclusivity of the iPhone, figuring that they wouldn't have to actually get business by being good at what they do, but rather by forcing people into switching in order to get their desired device.
If you don't believe me about the terrible customer service, I have a story for you. For Christmas of 2009, my mother and sister wanted iPhone 3GSes to replace their aging original iPhones. My father I waited to go to the AT&T store until the night before, because one of the incompetent CS representatives we talked to over the phone said that the original iPhones would deactivate, and we didn't want them deactivated for very long, should they need their phones. However, this was untrue, meaning we had to wait in long lines on Christmas Eve when we could have bought the iPhones months ago with no negative effects
After we finally got served by a representative, we were told that the bill we had mailed out almost two weeks ago still hadn't been processed yet, and in order to pay the lower upgrade price instead of the full retail price (~$500), we would have to pay the bill at the store, and have the check we mailed out be credited to our account. After we did that, the lady sold us the iPhones, which seemed fine. Except it wasn't fine, since she upgraded of the iPhones on my father's account, instead of my mother's which was a pain to deal with when we bought my father an iPhone a few weeks later. After we finally got the iPhones and drove home, we immediately got a call from the AT&T store, letting us know that the woman who sold us the iPhones had forgotten to put one of them back in the box after activating it, meaning we had to drive back again and pick up the phone which they forgot. The moral of this story is that AT&T is a horrible company, and a good portion of their customer service representatives are incapable of doing their jobs properly or giving correct information.
I actually have a few more AT&T stories to share, but I think I'd probably run past the 10,000 character post limit were I to share them all
AT&T...I left them a few years ago because of their ripoff plans, iphonia, no customer support, etc.
No point mentioning any as basically every coporation would be on my hit list
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No point mentioning any as basically every coporation would be on my hit list
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This is true! I listed one, but could have easily listed hundreds!
I'm not against corporations in general; I'd love to take money from consumers to better myself. But I do have a problem with every Apple idiot thinking Apple is doing great when really they are just taking advantage of people without their own identities and morons.
Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
Down with Tootsie Roll Industries, Inc.!
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Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
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And don't forgot Google at $543!
galaxys said:
And don't forgot Google at $543!
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Lawlz. Apple got pwned. Google gets lot of money from gmail, gtalk, google maps, etc. Plus they put all that on their android phones too.
Apple
Check this out:
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denco7 said:
Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
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I'm hoping that this is sarcasm and that you realize that this is actually support against Apple's dominance. Stock prices for the most part are based on hype and a LACK of knowledge about a company. There's more idiots than smart people in the US, so a company like Apple should thrive. George W. Bush got elected twice. There are plenty of idiots around to think Apple is worth it.
A carpet die company somewhere in LA county. The XXXX told me to XXXX when I asked if they could sell me a smaller portion of carpet die for a smaller price.
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A carpet die company somewhere in LA county. The XXXX told me to XXXX when I asked if they could sell me a smaller portion of carpet die for a smaller price.
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hahahahhahaa
Apple has patented the look of the tablet, and has already won an injunction in Germany:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-oems-from-building-tablets/14175?tag=nl.e550
Apple has successfully blocked one tablet, and their so-called patent in Spain (a crude drawing) could ban all tablets other than Apple there.
America, boycott Apple if you have a brain (or even if only half). This is what this country fought against, and all you Apple fans, get your frickin heads out!!
Apple is going for technological dictatorship at the hands of an egotistical, psychotic, megalomaniac who is pulling no stops at dirty patent tricks across the globe.
As if the global economy wasn't bad enough, Jobs has to get his grubby little fingers into the pot in a grab to try to take over and crush the entire tech industry and progress across the globe.
F Apple. F Jobs.
I will NEVER EVER buy an Apple product, as it goes against everything this country stands for. I could give a rat's patootie if it is an American company... That just makes it worse!
Well said. I too support your ideas.
majorpay said:
I will NEVER EVER buy an Apple product, as it goes against everything this country stands for. I could give a rat's patootie if it is an American company... That just makes it worse!
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I agree with everything you're saying except for one thing...it's exactly what this country now stands for.
But I have never bought an Apple product and I never will.
It seems like every day, A new Apple story pops up with Apple attempting to shut down world-wide industries.
I am wondering when the PC will come under fire? If the legal system throughout the world and this nation is this broken, will they find a way to ban PC selection throughout the world? Their server products have been a flop since their inception, will they go after Dell next?
Maybe I better patent this idea before Apple gets it's hands on it:
A box, with a power button on it, that has microprocessors on the inside in some sort of a configuration that allows computations to be performed, and from applied pressure from a body appendage to said button can cause power to be applied to the box resulting in a display (with potential words or graphical images on it) to activate as a result of the box interaction.
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Quick, someone draw a box with a circle on the center, and lets get this submitted to the patent office! Picture plus vague description = PROFIT!
Apple isn't doing anything differently from any other company in the world. They all guard their interests as best they can. The thing with Apple is, what they do is highly publicized. But they are far from being the number one litigator. And the attention they get is because they are an American technology company that is doing business better than the Asian businesses. That alone earns Apple a lot of hate. I will say this, though, the Asian businesses are masters at creating hate.
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Apple isn't doing anything differently from any other company in the world. They all guard their interests as best they can. The thing with Apple is, what they do is highly publicized. But they are far from being the number one litigator. And the attention they get is because they are an American technology company that is doing business better than the Asian businesses. That alone earns Apple a lot of hate. I will say this, though, the Asian businesses are masters at creating hate.
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There's no interest here, and the reason it is highly publicized is because Apple was successful in the first stage of getting every tablet removed from every country in the EU by producing a picture of an Etch-A-Sketch without knobs, and they are ACTUALLY WINNING!!
Companies protect I.P.. Apple is out to play the system for global domination using the dirtiest of patent tricks I have ever seen (aside from dirty IP companies that have been patenting everything under the sun for the past decade, but unlike Apple, they normally get shut down eventually). The worst part about this is that Jobs has made no bones about the fact that he has no intentions of licensing out his patents. His intentions are CLEARLY to eliminate the global market.
There's a big difference between protecting one's company intellectual property, and just being downright OBVIOUS about invalid and anti-competitive patents.
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Apple isn't doing anything differently from any other company in the world.
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Baseless claim and completely untrue.
too right!
I completely agree and am boycotting apple products and no longer using iTunes.
Join this Facebook group if you agree it needs as many members as it can get!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Apple/350260026008?sk=info
If they are the stupidest company in the world, then why are they number 1 in the public stock market? Why are they still getting so many sales? Why are they beating every other device out there? They know how to design and make a fast and reliable product. No other company can do what Apple can. Just because Apple is better, doesn't mean you have to hate on them.
I guess we will have to import the Tabs from Holland. I guess Amsterdam will now have one more attraction going hand in hand with smoking pot ))). Can you believe this? People will be actually "illegally" smuggling GALAXY TABS to the rest of European Union .. Fu..k APPLE
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Just because Apple is better, doesn't mean you have to hate on them.
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Apple should take your advice.
Ill reword it slightly and direct it at Apple:
"Just because other products are threatening you in the market and you can't compete doesn't mean you should sue"
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If they are the stupidest company in the world, then why are they number 1 in the public stock market? Why are they still getting so many sales? Why are they beating every other device out there? They know how to design and make a fast and reliable product. No other company can do what Apple can. Just because Apple is better, doesn't mean you have to hate on them.
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Apple isn't better. People are stupid. Stupid people think that if you pay more for the same thing it makes you cool. Stupid people want to be cool, probably in hopes that other stupid people won't think they are stupid.
Apple makes nice stuff. They do. But they charge 2x too much, at least for their computers. They parlay this into a "designer" brand (Like Calvin Klein or Hilfiger etc.) and then EVERYONE "has" to have their stuff. Doesnt matter if it costs more or less or whatever. Sheeple. Listen to the bleat!
savage24x said:
If they are the stupidest company in the world, then why are they number 1 in the public stock market? Why are they still getting so many sales? Why are they beating every other device out there? They know how to design and make a fast and reliable product. No other company can do what Apple can. Just because Apple is better, doesn't mean you have to hate on them.
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Exactly.
But you have to understand that the production of "hate" for a successful business is the Asian companies way of competing. Instead of litigating, which they have no excuse to do because they infringe the products of non-national companies, they resort to inflammatory tactics. It takes a lot longer and is very unreliable, though.
MartyLK said:
Exactly.
But you have to understand that the production of "hate" for a successful business is the Asian companies way of competing. Instead of litigating, which they have no excuse to do because they infringe the products of non-national companies, they resort to inflammatory tactics. It takes a lot longer and is very unreliable, though.
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You are completely bonkers, aren't ya, guy?
majorpay said:
You are completely bonkers, aren't ya, guy?
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No, I think that gives him too much credit.
Wtf at that patent
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No, I think that gives him too much credit.
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He had a thread last night that virtually equated Google to the Jesus of technology. I can't find it now.
...Weird how this was moved. I know it's not relating to "phones," but XDA has discussions on tablets as well as phones, right?
dknox1 said:
I completely agree and am boycotting apple products and no longer using iTunes.
Join this Facebook group if you agree it needs as many members as it can get!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Apple/350260026008?sk=info
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United vs the fruit
As a Mod:
Normally all fruit company threads end badly, hope this one can be the exception, let´s try to keep on topic (even if off topic).
As a regular member:
I believe in fare competition but what is doing that fruit is not fare, it deserves all my hate
orb3000 said:
As a Mod:
Normally all fruit company threads end badly, hope this one can be the exception, let´s try to keep on topic (even if off topic).
As a regular member:
I believe in fare competition but what is doing that fruit is not fare, it deserves all my hate
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They do seem to ignite an almost religious debate; however, Apple is deserving of a strong message.
I had once contemplated purchasing an iPad. I contemplate no longer...
An 8 year old boy was removed from his home, and his mother stripped of custody over is weight. The child was 200lbs. Has CPS overstepped the boundaries here, or is this justified?
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/11/obese_cleveland_heights_child.html said:
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An 8-year-old Cleveland Heights boy was taken from his family and placed in foster care last month after county case workers said his mother wasn't doing enough to control his weight.
At more than 200 pounds, the third-grader is considered severely obese and at risk for developing such diseases as diabetes and hypertension.
But even though the state health department estimates more than 12 percent of third-graders statewide are severely obese -- that could mean 1,380 in Cuyahoga County alone -- this is the first time anyone in the county or the state can recall a child being taken from a parent for a strictly weight-related issue.
The case plays into an emerging national debate that has some urging social-service agencies to step in when parents have failed to address a weight problem.
Others suggest there's hypocrisy in a government that would advocate taking children away for being overweight while saying it's OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in fast-food kids' meals.
Cuyahoga County does not have a specific policy on dealing with obese children. It removed the boy because case workers considered this mother's inability to get her son's weight down a form of medical neglect, said Mary Louise Madigan, a spokeswoman for the Department of Children and Family Services.
They said that the child's weight gain was caused by his environment and that the mother wasn't following doctor's orders -- which she disputes.
"This child's problem was so severe that we had to take custody," Madigan said. The agency worked with the mother for more than a year before asking Juvenile Court for custody of the child, she said.
Lawyers for the mother, a substitute elementary school teacher who is also taking vocational school classes, think the county has overreached in this case by arguing that medical conditions the boy is at risk for -- but doesn't yet have -- pose an imminent danger to his health.
They question whether the emotional impact of being yanked from his family, school and friends was also considered.
"I think we would concede that some intervention is appropriate," Juvenile Public Defender Sam Amata said. "But what risk became imminent? When did it become an immediate problem?"
Children are ordinarily removed from their homes for physical abuse, neglect or undernourishment.
Amata said that in his decades as a public defender, he has seen children left in homes with parents who have severe drug problems or who have beaten their children, with the reasoning that there isn't an immediate danger to the child.
In this case, Amata said, other than having a weight problem, the boy was a normal elementary school student who was on the honor roll and participated in school activities.
Records show the child's only current medical problem, sleep apnea, is being treated and that he wears a machine nightly that helps and monitors his breathing.
"They are trying to make it seem like I am unfit, like I don't love my child," the boy's mother said.
"Of course I love him. Of course I want him to lose weight. It's a lifestyle change, and they are trying to make it seem like I am not embracing that. It is very hard, but I am trying."
The mother and the boy are not named in this story because The Plain Dealer does not generally identify those involved in abuse cases.
The mother said that social workers took her son from his school on Oct. 19 and told her she could see him only once a week for two hours. The boy is living in a foster home.
Next month, the two sides will debate the case in front of a Juvenile Court magistrate, who will decide what is in the boy's best interest. A trial is set on the child's 9th birthday.
Rainbow hospital program for kids, families
County workers were alerted to the child's weight in early 2010 after his mother took him to a hospital for breathing problems. He was diagnosed with sleep apnea, which can be weight-related, and was given the breathing machine. Social workers began to monitor him under what the county calls protective supervision.
Last year, the boy lost weight but in recent months began to gain it back rapidly. That's when the county moved to take the child, records show.
The mother said that when she found out that other kids and a sibling might be giving her son extra food, she tried to put a stop to it and explain to him that he could eat only certain foods.
She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise.
The mother wonders what role genetics plays in the boy's condition -- both she and his father and some other family members are overweight, she said. However, she also has a 16-year-old son who is tall and thin.
The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight.
That program has evaluated more than 900 overweight and obese children from the ages of 4 to 8 since 2005. A team of specialty doctors, nutritionists, psychologists and others treat the children and work to educate families about creating healthy eating habits.
Dr. Naveen Uli, a pediatric endocrinologist and co-director of the program, said he is seeing more children who are quickly developing diseases that in the past were seen only in adults, like Type 2 diabetes and hypertension. These can affect a person's health, life span and health care costs, he said.
But he said interventions need to be targeted, if possible, for the whole family.
Uli said many families in the program have found it difficult to relearn how to eat, to read and translate confusing food labels and to make the healthy choices. Not all families complete the intense 12-week program, or they are unwilling or unable to grasp the seriousness of the threat, he said.
There is no policy on whether to report obese children to the county if they do not complete the program, but doctors can call if they think the child is at risk.
Uli said most of the children don't require immediate medical intervention but instead need help to prevent them from getting diseases like diabetes.
Uli said that in most cases, he thinks that keeping the family unit intact is better. But if that doesn't work, other interventions have to be derived, he said.
Debate emerges nationally on best ways to intervene
That is precisely what is at the core of a debate that is emerging nationally in the discussions about childhood obesity.
Earlier this year, Dr. David Ludwig, Harvard University professor and pediatric obesity expert, urged children's services agencies to intervene in severe cases when parents have failed to address a weight problem that leads to imminent health risks.
Ludwig, the co-author of an article that appeared in the Journal of American Medical Association this summer, said other interventions should be tried first and that children should be removed only as a last resort.
The article cited the example of a 12-year-old patient of Ludwig's who weighed 400 pounds and had developed diabetes, cholesterol problems, high blood pressure and sleep apnea -- conditions that could kill her before the age of 30.
But others question whether a future risk is enough to separate a child from a family.
Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics and medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said that before a trend of removing children takes hold, the broader public-policy issue needs to be explored.
"A 218-pound 8-year-old is a time bomb," Caplan acknowledged. "But the government cannot raise these children. A third of kids are fat. We aren't going to move them all to foster care. We can't afford it, and I'm not sure there are enough foster parents to do it. "
He said he is worried that the families with the fewest resources, which are often minorities, will end up being ones with their children removed.
Caplan said one could get ethical whiplash in a world where one arm of government is so concerned about a child's weight that it removes him from his home, while another branch of government argues that french fries and tomato paste on pizza should be counted as servings of vegetables.
"It's completely hypocritical, or to put it another way, a schizophrenic stance," he said.
"It's OK to threaten to take a kid away or charge someone more for insurance," he said. "But it's also OK to advertise unhealthy food and put toys in kids' meals."
In the Cleveland Heights case, county workers believed that disconnecting the boy from his family, at least temporarily, might help. And he has lost a few pounds in the last month.
But now lawyers for the mother say they've been told that the foster mother who has the child in a neighboring suburb is having trouble keeping up with all of his appointments.
There was even a discussion about getting the foster mother additional help or moving the child again, this time to a foster home with a personal trainer, Amata said.
"I wonder why they didn't offer the mother that kind of extra help," Amata said.
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edit: IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?
Tomdg07 said:
IS there any way I can correct the typo in the poll?
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PM a mod and see if they can get it done, but probably via an admin.
Genetics, being blamed for Greed and Sloth since 1980
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Lack of education is the real issue. The kid should have been sent to a 'Fat Camp' and the mother sentenced to Community Service and Counselling.
Only an admin can change polls. PM MikeChannon.
As for the article, CPS was right to take the kid. I mean 200 punds at 8 years old. I'm 20 and never reached 200 lbs, most I think was like 188. And genetics my ass. Also many of them say its a disease. What's the name, hunger?
The artcile says "The mother agreed to enroll the child in a special Rainbow Babies & Childrens Hospital program called Healthy Kids, Healthy Weight", and also "She tried to follow the recommendations of the doctors, such as getting him a bike and encouraging him to get exercise." No where did the article indicate that she was not cooperating with CPS or coordinating with dr's to help the kid lose the weight.
While I do not see CPS removing a child from a home in these situations as a protecting act it is a very grey matter. If the mom had agreed to such programs its hard to say this instance was justified unless theres is some proof she is neglecting the childs health behind closed doors, which isnt clear here as shes been taking him to see doctors on the matter. But than you also have to remember that you dont get to 200 lbs at 8yrs old by siblings sneaking you snacks...
In talking about the ruling for Apple against HTC (thread was closed), there was a statement made to the effect that Steve Job's mission was to destroy Android...and it was questioned. Yes he said it. Its in Biography Book
~Steve Jobs said:
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong, I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
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On Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Walter-Isaacson/dp/1451648537
Nearly every tech blog covered this quote as soon as the book was released. It's controversial and sure to stir up arguments. To be honest, I think the quote is misleading and is taken out of context.
If you read the rest of his bio, it mentions that Steve lives in his own reality distortion field.
There are 2 sides to this. On the positive side, he was able to will his product designs into existence. Eg, when he asked Woz to come up with a game within a few days, Woz said that it was impossible and that it would take at least weeks. Steve insisted it was possible and an inspired Woz achieved the unthinkable.
On the negative side, he chose to simply not acknowledge anything that he didn't like. A perfect example would be his own illness. He delayed the required medical treatment because he thought that his own treatment plan would work (despite going against medical advice). If he wasn't that stubborn, he would probably still be here today.
It could very well be that he thinks Android is a stolen product. But that's just his own distorted mindset.
I know the context of the quote...wont get into that. Just answering a question about if he actually said that....
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Rolling my eyes,
To Steve, anything with with a rectangular shape and a touch screen is stolen from Apple. Their lawsuits are proof of that.
Hahaha
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and Apple still got defeated.... LOL
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22279510
Laughable or sad? I have no clue. Bit of both. Check for yourself(logo seen on website)
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09...sh-online-supermarket-trademarking-name-a-pl/
The Internet country code top-level domain for Poland is “.pl.” The first letter of the alphabet in the Polish language, like in most, is the letter “a.” Put them together and you have Apple’s latest legal attack target: A.pl.
The Polish website Telepolis is reporting that Apple demanded that the Urząd Patentowy Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej (Poland’s Patent Office) cancel the trademark belonging to A.PL Internet SA. The first meeting actually took place on August 29, but it was adjourned and deferred to a later date.
My Polish isn’t what it used to be, but it seems to me that this will be a long battle (Telepolis says two to three years), unless of course it is settled out of court. While the case isn’t public, so we don’t know the details of the arguments of both sides, the general stance for both is fairly easy to glean.
As with most trademark cases, Apple is arguing that A.pl’s mark creates a likelihood of confusion and attempts to trade off the fame of Apple. The consumer electronics giant wants the trademark invalidated and earlier objected to its registration in the first place.
A.pl meanwhile is of course looking to defend its trademark. The company markets itself as an online deli store that offers home delivery. I would bet A.pl will be arguing that it is not in the same business as Apple and therefore there should be no reason for consumers to be confused.
There are two possible outcomes: A.pl can lose the right to protect its name or Apple’s case may be dismissed. Again, assuming Apple and A.pl don’t figure out a compromise between themselves, it will be a while before we see a conclusion. Regardless of who wins the first bout, appeals will likely be made to the Wojewódzki Sąd Administracyjny (Regional Administrative Court) in Warsaw.
Update: While the article doesn’t mention it, this may actually be about the logo over at fresh24.pl, which is owned by a.pl. Here’s the logo in question:
So now the question is: does Apple have the right to all apple-looking logos, even those outside of the consumer electronics market?
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Edit: im going to go ahead and do what apple does: assume you are all a bunch of idiots
Please do not mix up a.pl for apple. The last thing i want is for you (not so intelligent one x users, especially those of polish origin) to buy grocery from a.pl and mix your oats, corn flames, milk etc.. for a mac book pro, or maybe an iphone 5? What about an ipad? Jeez.
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Laughable or sad? I have no clue. Bit of both. Check for yourself(logo seen on website)
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09...sh-online-supermarket-trademarking-name-a-pl/
Edit: im going to go ahead and do what apple does: assume you are all a bunch of idiots
Please do not mix up a.pl for apple. The last thing i want is for you (not so intelligent one x users, especially those of polish origin) to buy grocery from a.pl and mix your oats, corn flames, milk etc.. for a mac book pro, or maybe an iphone 5? What about an ipad? Jeez.
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Too late apple... They already trick me, it's really hard to distinguish an iPhone to a chocolate plate, they are both black rectangles the problem is that with the second one I can't play angry bird, Damn you a.pl !
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As a.pl... sorry apple, have no more ideas to work on, they waste their time on such idiot things...
IPhone users may flock there thinking its a genius bar.
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This is HTC One X section, no apples here. :cyclops:
This is becoming a farce (if it wasn't already). Apple are losing all credibility with every lawsuit they put forward
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Completely off topic, please read and respect the simple rules