[XT860] Bell Update Inevitable? - Motorola Droid 3

Just checked this thread...
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/63223
I think I'm going to sign up

looks good,
big update?

Good stuff. Hope to hear from them!

Doesn't it figure the day after i flash the brazil 2.3.5 FW this happens

Danifunker aren't you on the vivo FW
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Great news. Does make me wonder why they are so slow with it. Maybe they are going straight to ISC???

I'll do a full restore back to the Bell firmware, and let them know how it compares to the vivo firmware hehe
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eezdva said:
Great news. Does make me wonder why they are so slow with it. Maybe they are going straight to ISC???
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Considering their history I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.
Let's be happy if they finally manage to give us an update that adresses the known issues (battery/camera/keyboard). I'm only gonna believe it when I see it and am actually able to use it.
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I'll do a full restore back to the Bell firmware, and let them know how it compares to the vivo firmware hehe
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Just for understanding:
How will you be able to do that?

I thought someone tried this already on a different thread, the only ccaveat is that the radio code won't get reverted...
1) boot into CWR
2) Wipe/format system and data partition
3) perform full restore
If all that fails, in the worst case I'll just reflash bacck to the vivo (or maybe retail) SBF.
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I'd argue that the update would merely be to 2.3.x where x > 4. Maybe the Brazil sbf already has the fixes and only thing they're testing is the bell carrier customizations.
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Accophox said:
I'd argue that the update would merely be to 2.3.x where x > 4. Maybe the Brazil sbf already has the fixes and only thing they're testing is the bell carrier customizations.
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I think you're right, but I'd rather be on the Bell one, I really like the background (it is embedded with the framework.apk and I can't really line it up the same way) as long as it works as good as the Brazil firmware... don't forget there is also some localization things as well that "would be nice" every so often I run into some portugeese on my device now.
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danifunker said:
I think you're right, but I'd rather be on the Bell one, I really like the background (it is embedded with the framework.apk and I can't really line it up the same way) as long as it works as good as the Brazil firmware... don't forget there is also some localization things as well that "would be nice" every so often I run into some portugeese on my device now.
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I think he was arguing for the update being 2.3.x as opposed to 4.0 like another poster suggested. Highly unlikely IMO, but I would, of course, love to be proven wrong.

_LTB_ said:
I think he was arguing for the update being 2.3.x as opposed to 4.0 like another poster suggested. Highly unlikely IMO, but I would, of course, love to be proven wrong.
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I know, I totally agree with him. I'd be suprised if it even went up to 2.3.5, I would guess they are concentrating more on the Blur stuff.

They are limiting the Beta to 100 testers, in reality, only one of us needs to get on that list and share the .sbf with the whole community =D

gbarayah said:
They are limiting the Beta to 100 testers, in reality, only one of us needs to get on that list and share the .sbf with the whole community =D
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I don't think they are going to be sending out the SBF, probably just an EXE file, but we can all hope! I think we are all waiting for a reply back from them, but yes I agree with you fully!

Realistically, how many people do you think sign up for Motorola's betas? And who would you think sign up for them?
Given that the original topic on the Motorola forums has so few views, the chances of one or more XDA users getting into the beta is fairly high I reckon.
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Accophox said:
Realistically, how many people do you think sign up for Motorola's betas? And who would you think sign up for them?
Given that the original topic on the Motorola forums has so few views, the chances of one or more XDA users getting into the beta is fairly high I reckon.
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This is exactly how the first Verizon update was leaked, via a beta tester for their new firmware. When this beta get's leaked we'll all be able to flash back to bell, sbf or exe it, format wont matter. (It's only up to 120 views now)

...well, whomever gets it, don't forget the rest of us lonely, deprived 860 users who are counting on you. We love you long time.
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Well I gess you guys are right about the update. But let's hope they are actually working on 4.0.
Which came out first the Brazilian or the Bell?? Just curious.

eezdva said:
Well I gess you guys are right about the update. But let's hope they are actually working on 4.0.
Which came out first the Brazilian or the Bell?? Just curious.
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Probably the bell, just given the older build.
See, this is what I don't understand. They branch their regional builds of their f/w... and then when they need to update the phones... that's many separate codebases that need to be updated. X.x
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[REQ] Port 2nd Init from Defy to Atrix

They Defy has a mod (specifically a boot menu) that has a feature called '2nd Init' (Read up here) it basically bypasses the first init process and enables you to load up anything you want (better quick explanation?)
This mod that the Defy has has enabled it to have some pretty awesome stuff running on it (CM7, with Gingerbread 2.3.3 obviously). It's strange I have never seen this mentioned on this forum before except for the Defy and I want more people to be aware this has already taken place on the Defy, another locked bootloader phone. Anyways, if this gets ported then we could possibly do whatever Quarx, over on the Defy forum, did and port CM7 to the Atrix. There was some similar talk started when I made a new thread "CM7 for Defy" on the general forum, but I wanted to make sure that a decent amount of developers got to see this information, so I made a new post here.
Would like to see if this would work on the Atrix
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SN4K3B1T3 said:
2.3.3 not 3.3.3 some people might get confused
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Haha yea thanks. It was a typo.
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What could be the harm in checking the binary out in recovery? Maybe some bits and pieces of code would hav to be changed
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I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.
BravoMotorola said:
I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.
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Isn't the bootstrap recovery from Tenfar already leveraging 2nd init? Aren't the changes to check for AC power to boot into recovery done in init?
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BravoMotorola said:
I really hope a well know experienced developer sees this so he can tell us the real deal if this is possible...like Tenfar, he would definatly be able to help.
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We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?
Immix said:
We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?
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+1. I have no clue where he went. I think his twitter hasn't been updated either.
http://twitter.com/#!/Da_GNARF Nothing since the 14th of March :/
This seems very promising but I doubt it would work.
mainly because of the Tegra 2 processor.
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We need Da_G on this. Bring him back from the dead!! Where has he been?
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DG is gone for good. He's never returning back to atrix now. If it wasn't for this dual core beast, I would have exchanged it for nexus s already.
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ceo.mtcl said:
DG is gone for good. He's never returning back to atrix now. If it wasn't for this dual core beast, I would have exchanged it for nexus s already.
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Da_G and designgears aren't the same people. The former is technical. The latter is not.
Sogarth said:
Da_G and designgears aren't the same people. The former is technical. The latter is not.
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Amen, DG is a tool. But moving on....
Was my question valid?
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Amen, DG is a tool. But moving on....
Was my question valid?
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Valid question. I don't believe it's 2nd init. Or at least not like the 2nd init on the Defy.
BTW guys, I tried the Defy 2nd init bootmenu (decided to use the apk that installs it all automatically) aaanndd..it bricked my phone. An sbf flash fixed it though.
So anyways, it is now known for sure that this needs to be ported in order to work. Someone PLEASE look into this. I am almost positive that this IS the method that will be used to install custom ROMs on the Atrix in the future. The actual bootloader has no chance of being cracked IMO. But we can get almost the same results with this.
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BravoMotorola said:
BTW guys, I tried the Defy 2nd init bootmenu (decided to use the apk that installs it all automatically) aaanndd..it bricked my phone. An sbf flash fixed it though.
So anyways, it is now known for sure that this needs to be ported in order to work. Someone PLEASE look into this. I am almost positive that this IS the method that will be used to install custom ROMs on the Atrix in the future. The actual bootloader has no chance of being cracked IMO. But we can get almost the same results with this.
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not nearly the same result i was on the sony x10 before i got the atrix and this is exactly how it was when the bootloader was locked we could flash custom roms but all it did was add new simple features. fps caps overclock and many other goodies are kernal related.
BUT i guess having this would be better than nothing at all just dont get overexcited then be dissappointed. also i believe its harder to develop like this than with an open bootloader.
xepter said:
not nearly the same result i was on the sony x10 before i got the atrix and this is exactly how it was when the bootloader was locked we could flash custom roms but all it did was add new simple features. fps caps overclock and many other goodies are kernal related.
BUT i guess having this would be better than nothing at all just dont get overexcited then be dissappointed. also i believe its harder to develop like this than with an open bootloader.
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No, this is quite different from what you are thinking of. It does allow custom kernels. The Defy has FULL cm7.
BravoMotorola said:
No, this is quite different from what you are thinking of. It does allow custom kernels. The Defy has FULL cm7.
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Right, in a nutshell, it should dump the current kernel and allow a second one to load.
Stock Bell Atrix on Rogers with updated radio, Rooted, deodexed, Honeycomb theme, and frozen!
Yep. It's great and somewhat easy to understand. This needs to catch someones attention.
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i'm guessing if someone hasn't already jumped on this, it's because it won't work.
dLo GSR said:
i'm guessing if someone hasn't already jumped on this, it's because it won't work.
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I'm fairly certain it'll work, actually, although it might require some tweaking. But, at the same time, I'm fairly certain it'll break webtop. To me, webtop >>> CM. I'm sure others feel differently. But you'll need one of those other people to work on this, because otherwise, 2nd Init ends up pretty low on my priority list.

Bionic has CWM now

Bootstrap is up and running thanks to CVPCS.
Our phones are almsot identical, so I don't know if someone wanted to take the plunge since you have recovery now too.
Just wanted to give the Droid 3 owners a heads up.
Abradax said:
Bootstrap is up and running thanks to CVPCS.
Our phones are almsot identical, so I don't know if someone wanted to take the plunge since you have recovery now too.
Just wanted to give the Droid 3 owners a heads up.
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I cannot stress enough that THIS IS FOR BIONIC ONLY. You should not attempt this for use with other devices such as the Droid 3 except at your own risk. The D3 specifically has differences that will cause your internal storage to wipe if you attempt to use this bootstrap on it.
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I'm brave, but not that brave.
Yeah, its a use at your own risk kind of thing, obviously.
Maybe someone can get CVPCS to take a look at the D3, the work is mostly done with the bionic.
DO NOT USE THE BIONIC BOOTSTRAP. He posted on his blog this same warning.
I REPEAT: DO NOT USE BIONIC BOOTSTRAP.
It fries your internal memory apparently. Wait for the D3 version, should be out today or tomorrow.
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I think I'll just wait for Hashcode's Recovery/Bootstrap. Should be out in the next day or so.
Yonnor said:
I think I'll just wait for Hashcode's Recovery/Bootstrap. Should be out in the next day or so.
Also if you read the article it's an extreme Alpha Release.
Exert from the Article:
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The second part of your post isn't related to CWM, I think. It looks more like you are talking about CM7 booting up on Droid Bionic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah the second part is about CM7
Derp I edited my in wrong thread. lol
SX86 said:
The second part of your post isn't related to CWM, I think. It looks more like you are talking about CM7 booting up on Droid Bionic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Oh, nonsense!
I EXPECT my Clockwork Recovery to have auto-screen orientation, working radio with 4G, battery meter, audio, AND 100 naked ladies.
Remember people that we still need an sfb file.
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I've been following some of the dev work on the irc channel and our recovery is actually just about ready. From what I understand they are just bug squashing so it doesn't kill anyone's phone.
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Remember people that we still need an sfb file.
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If you're talking about a SBF file for D3, there already is a Verizon one floating around.
spacecasespiff said:
Remember people that we still need an sfb file.
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We already have a verizon one, and a few other more advanced methods of restoring our phone.
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Guys please stop posting this in Android Dev..
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Not sure what's wrong with a dev-related topic being posted in the dev section, but in my opinion, the real bummer is that CVPCS is developing for the Bionic instead of the D3 (like I hoped). The Bionic has been out for about a week and a half, and already has a pending CM7 mod waiting in the wings. Hopefully we can get some work going on the D3…
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jjhiza said:
Not sure what's wrong with a dev-related topic being posted in the dev section, but in my opinion, the real bummer is that CVPCS is developing for the Bionic instead of the D3 (like I hoped). The Bionic has been out for about a week and a half, and already has a pending CM7 mod waiting in the wings. Hopefully we can get some work going on the D3…
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What we need to do is buy cvpcs a D3...
jjhiza said:
Not sure what's wrong with a dev-related topic being posted in the dev section, but in my opinion, the real bummer is that CVPCS is developing for the Bionic instead of the D3 (like I hoped). The Bionic has been out for about a week and a half, and already has a pending CM7 mod waiting in the wings. Hopefully we can get some work going on the D3…
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If anything hopefully the systems being similar would make it possible for devs to kill two birds with one stone.. tho I feel like bionic is going to continue being focal point.
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I've already got a Vanilla AOSP ROM ready for you guys. Will you quit whining now?
Its got its bugs and glitches but im working on it..
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kshen1 said:
I've already got a Vanilla AOSP ROM ready for you guys. Will you quit whining now?
Its got its bugs and glitches but im working on it..
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^ This!
BTW guys, there is work being done with the D3 don't worry. We already have a semi working CWM based recovery in the beta stage atm. there are a few dedicated devs working on the D3.
Also keep in mind its only going faster for the bionic devs because our devs have been working so hard on things like 2init and root, granted it does seem we were skipped over by the majority of devs.
jjhiza said:
Not sure what's wrong with a dev-related topic being posted in the dev section...
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On other areas of the site the Developer forum is not for questions but for development. Questions are ether directed to the developer thread of interest or posted in the General category.
I am kind of surprised that no sticky post has been made here stating similar rules.

Best way to get CM7 made for D3?

What is the best way to get some developers to make CM7 for the D3? I am willing to donate some money.
We're already working on it.
kshen1 said:
We're already working on it.
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Booyakasha!
kingharrison said:
Booyakasha!
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Rofl. I say this all the time, and I agree with the sentiment completely! Booyakasha!
Da Ali G show ftw.
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A men....
Miss CM7 from my D1. Wanted a D2G, but alas, locked up bootloader and no CM7 meant no love for me.
By the way, aren't we getting closer to that "promise" by Moto about unlocking the bootloaders by the end of the year?
Seems like that has gone by the wayside lately...big shock. Another broken Moto promise...SD card running on the Xoom sound familiar? 4gLTE via software patch that was downloadable? Need I go on? Sorry Moto, but your "promise credit" is no good.
Please devs, link to the nightlies as soon as available. I'm on board for flash-fest and test...lol.
Thanks in advance.
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Stop whining about what Moto have not done about the bootloader. The droid 3 is not even 3 month old yet, and there is no way Moto will unlock it anytime soon. If they promised to unlock it, then they most likely will. Take a look at the Atrix for instance.
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eXecuter.bin said:
Stop whining about what Moto have not done about the bootloader. The droid 3 is not even 3 month old yet, and there is no way Moto will unlock it anytime soon. If they promised to unlock it, then they most likely will. Take a look at the Atrix for instance.
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Atrix was an internal testing leak. It's possible that we'll never see it and I honestly don't think we ever will. Would it be nice? Yes of course, but we will still have plenty of mods to make this phone even better.
Wait. It's on the way.
Hope it can also improve the signal or maybe a better radio..!!!
Radio working yet in beta builds?
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tacosrdelicioso said:
Radio working yet in beta builds?
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Not yet. Getting closer though.
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tacosrdelicioso said:
Radio working yet in beta builds?
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I can assure you that the second any significant progress is made on CM7 we will hear about it.
Androidsims said:
I can assure you that the second any significant progress is made on CM7 we will hear about it.
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Yeah.....at least we have notification power widget now! Mad props to jewremy for porting it
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tacosrdelicioso said:
Yeah.....at least we have notification power widget now! Mad props to jewremy for porting it
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+1
I will probably be on narcotICS until CM7 is released.
i cannot wait for CM7 for droid 3 to come out. i am willing to be a beta tester if there are any needed.
I know I'm a bit late to this party, but Moto said they would unlock the bootloader on their phones SUBJECT TO CARRIER APPROVAL.
Does anyone here really think Big Red will allow such a thing? I personally, don't hold out much hope for that.
blackcatroad said:
I know I'm a bit late to this party, but Moto said they would unlock the bootloader on their phones SUBJECT TO CARRIER APPROVAL.
Does anyone here really think Big Red will allow such a thing? I personally, don't hold out much hope for that.
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Verizon obviously doesn't give a **** about the bootloader, since it's going to be the first carrier to release the Galaxy Nexus. And now that Google owns motorola I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but it doesn't really matter.
I am very excited for CM7 (or CM9 for that matter)! I have only had the Droid Pro and now the Droid 3 so I have never been able to really take advantage of it.

Ics sdk port

I'm seeing a lot of devices getting ics sdk ports or atleast starting to(in pre alpha stage) I was wondering if anyone wanted to attempt that on our d3s because it doesn't look like we're getting cm9 soon because were not even officially supported for cm7.
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Really?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308924
Hash will provide!
cappysw10 said:
Really?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1308924
Hash will provide!
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i said officially
An ICS SDK port is would not be worth it. ICS will only come when the source drops.
Why wouldn't it be worth it
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jellydroid13 said:
Why wouldn't it be worth it
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Wondering this too.. Nexus one users seem to be happy with their port
Just be patient, or port it yourself.
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Just be patient, or port it yourself.
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doesnt answer his question... i am also wondering if anyone is working on it
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Why wouldn't it be worth it
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The Nexus will be out before the month's end, and the source code will drop in the following 2-4 weeks. If someone built it from SDK, they'd have to start it all over again after the source drops.
ya but that means source wont drop till xmas and then by the time someone has a working build moto will be releasing there official build so it doesnt really do anything for us
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ya but that means source wont drop till xmas and then by the time someone has a working build moto will be releasing there official build so it doesnt really do anything for us
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If Motorola ever actually pushes out an ICS update for us, it'll be at the very earliest the end of next spring. They have newer and "better" phones that they'll update first.
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Well back to the topic I think we should have a poll to see who thinks its worth it and who doesnt
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jellydroid13 said:
Well back to the topic I think we should have a poll to see who thinks its worth it and who doesnt
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It might be a fun exercise, and fun to play around with, but sdk ports are buggy and wont have the framework that really makes up ICS. It would basically GB + some ICS features/apps, since all we have access to is some apps and what they ask for
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I hope no one is wasting time working on a port from a Software Development Kit (SDK) emulator "ROM" that is incomplete and lacking. SDK's are for app developers to test, not for ROMs to be be made.
Once the source hits....you'll have a better chance of getting ICS, AND a much better and complete ROM.
I really hope no one is working on an SDK port "ROM" for the D3.
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I hope no one is wasting time working on a port from a Software Development Kit (SDK) emulator "ROM" that is incomplete and lacking. SDK's are for app developers to test, not for ROMs to be be made.
Once the source hits....you'll have a better chance of getting ICS, AND a much better and complete ROM.
I really hope no one is working on an SDK port "ROM" for the D3.
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This.
The current devs we have are still working on the roms they first put out. We will not get an SDK port. We'll start to see ICS when the source is released.
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Apparently some people don't know what a sdk is for.....Software Developer Kit is not a rom.
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Apparently some people don't know what a sdk is for.....Software Developer Kit is not a rom.
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Yea, but we can create a rom from it
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*sighs* just wait for source.
I'll bet these are the same people that buy a 4G phone from AT&T expecting 4G speeds.
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I'll bet these are the same people that buy a 4G phone from AT&T expecting 4G speeds.
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Hahahahaha oh man this gave me a good laugh XD
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Just to be clear, I'm not working on an ICS port from the SDK. Sorry :/
While I applaud jellydroid13's enthusiasm, there is still alot of work to be done getting the D3 to be more AOSP friendly. This includes working on getting the audio drivers working correctly, BT updated, overlays which don't have PBUNDERUN events every 30 seconds, camera routines to iron out, etc.
Fixing these issues in Gingerbread where our kernel matches up with the source, gives us a better chance at then migrating working source to a true ICS port later.
There is also a fairly sizable kernel hurdle to jump as well.
Just my 2-cents.

Were not getting ICS

I just read on drippler that the Bionic wasnt getting ICS.Is it true?
I doubt that's true. They wouldn't have gone through all the work of making some pretty good ics test builds that work better than the gingerbread builds just to scrap them.
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I can't find the article you're referencing. Link or you are fail. lol.
Not true, ICS is on my phone right now.
Are you sure the article you read wasn't referring to unlocked bootloaders? That is something they did say that we're not getting. It doesn't mean that we're not getting ICS.
WTF is drippler?
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Not true, ICS is on my phone right now.
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Mine too. I've had it since February or march.
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brainwash1 said:
Mine too. I've had it since February or march.
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I've talked to Motorola and Verizon recently, while they pretty much talked around the fact that a published deadline had been missed, they both assured me the update is still in progress and would be out in this quarter (just not 'early' this quarter as that's past). Granted neither are to be trusted with any of this, but I'm pretty sure we will see it officially, eventually.
Get a leak if your desperate, wait for the official if your patient. Sad thing is I'll likely be in Canada using a Galaxy S3 by the time Motorola and Verizon get their s--t together. I'll get to use my Bionic on ICS during my visits over the border.
okierzr said:
I just read on drippler that the Bionic wasnt getting ICS.Is it true?
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This, along with "ICS will be here next week" comes out 2 or 3 times a month.
Are you sure you weren't just skimming that article? It didn't say that ICS wasn't coming. It just said that carriers are notorious for missing deadlines and not giving a crap. It also said that leaks don't necessarily mean an update is imminent. Yada, yada, yada. Anyone, like me, that's been waiting for the official rollout figured that out awhile ago. Hopefully the official version will be pretty damn flawless.
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I believe this is the article he was reffering to.
http://drippler.com/motorola/droid_bionic#!430056
what about that article sais were NOT getting it?
I never said it did I just posted the article I thought the op might have read.
Travisdroidx2 said:
I never said it did I just posted the article I thought the op might have read.
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oh i know YOU didnt....
I wonder if it will really happen before they declare Bionic is at end of life, "so sorry no ICS update"? Where is the soak test that would precede the OTA release?
I will find it tonight and try and post it.It did say that because I showed my son and he laughed at me because he is a apple fan and he even remembers reading it.
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I went back and reread it and I really screwed up on this one and y'all are right.I rarely misread things but I did here.sorry
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offf with his head!!!!

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