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Internet Speeds on device vs tethered

I was wondering if everyone experienced the same thing as I am regarding data speeds.
I use the wap.cingular access point and when I use Internet Connection sharing to tether my phone I generally get speeds ranging from 150-750kbps down and 100-350kbps up.
Tonight for instance I am at a location with EDGE network access (full bars) and am getting about 150 down 100 up when tethered.
These speeds were measured with speakeasy.net speedtest.
However, when I am just using my Tilt by itself (untethered) with PIE, or Google Maps, or another application my speeds seem much much slower.
For instance, when using tethering it took about 10 seconds to load the mail xda-developers.com forum page from scratch. On my device it can take well over a minute (or two) to download the page and become responsive enough for me to scroll it.
Even when i have a 3G connection and get tethered speeds in the 500-800 range my PIE connections seem to be slow like this as well.
I realize that the CPU power of the phone may mean slightly longer loading times to render a page, but the speed difference seems tenfold.
It also seems strange that if I were to download like a 3Mb file it would transfer at speeds more closely matching my tethered speeds, but HTML website browsing is very slow. Bringing up anything other than google usually takes at least a minute to get a usable page.
Am I alone in this? If so...any suggestions. If not...any explanations?
thx

3g Internet Sharing issues

I have the ATT 8925 and I use it to tether to my laptop.. Normal internet browsing is fine but for downloads of any size or for internet video including Flash it does not.
When downloading I average about 20kb and than anywhere from 1/4-1/2 the way through it just stops and times out.. This happnes on all downloads 100% of the time..
When trying to watch any form of streaming media including flash it will play for a bit and than stop and won't buffer any more of the media. I will have to reload the page and even then it's not guarunteed to work..
I used to have the 8525 and could watching streaming media through orb on my phone and computer with no issues.. So I'm wondering if it's the phone or if its the network.
I live in the north Seattle, WA area and am using Duttys Diamond rom.

Kerensky18 said:
When downloading I average about 20kb
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This sounds like you're on EDGE and not on 3G. The other issues are linked, EDGE throughput and latency are highly dependent on network usage as data has low priority. If someone needs to use the tower you're on to place a call, that can put your connection on hold for minutes.
I've had to use my phone as only internet access for nearly 2 months, no 3G coverage where I live so I do know well enough what to expect... and would gladly do without it!

I am on the 3.5g network and HDSPA as well.. I notice a huge difference when I go back to edge in just page loading times.. Like I said page loading works fine.. everything else is crap.

My first suggestion would be to try flashing a different radio. I tether frequently with my Tilt, and I have not experienced these issues on AT&T's 3G network. My tethered speeds regularly exceed 1mbps.
On a side note: Make sure the proxy box is unchecked under MEdia Net, if that is what you are using to tether.

The box was checked... I'll see if it makes a difference when I tether again tonight.

Heres the specs using speedtest while on the 3g Network
IP Address: 32.157.xx.xxx (AT&T GLOBAL NETWORK SERVICES)
Last Test Date: 7/6/2008
Total Tests Taken: 1
Fastest Download: 96 kb/s
Fastest Upload: 112 kb/s
Average Download: 96 kb/s
Average Upload: 112 kb/s
I still have some issues when I go to stream or download where it will get like 30% through and than just time out indefinatly.

Kerensky18 said:
Heres the specs using speedtest while on the 3g Network
IP Address: 32.157.xx.xxx (AT&T GLOBAL NETWORK SERVICES)
Last Test Date: 7/6/2008
Total Tests Taken: 1
Fastest Download: 96 kb/s
Fastest Upload: 112 kb/s
Average Download: 96 kb/s
Average Upload: 112 kb/s
I still have some issues when I go to stream or download where it will get like 30% through and than just time out indefinatly.
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what is the signal strength like? the more bars your have the stronger your connection...therefore the faster your speeds.

Full signal strength.
Could this be some configurations issues? The network in the Pacific region? My plan it self?
Edit:
My page-loads are slower with proxy server off. I can try posting videos if you wish?

Removing the proxy did enable the weather plugin in Dutty's build to operate correctly.

Check out one of my earlier posts. I ran a test from Speedtest.net and listed my results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2277804&postcount=5

NotATreoFan said:
Check out one of my earlier posts. I ran a test from Speedtest.net and listed my results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2277804&postcount=5
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I will try that radio when I have a chance to dl it tonight.

So I talked to ATT yesterday and they said it may be due to all the buildings in Seattle that the signal even if it's reporting full bars can still be degrading from bouncing around the buildings? Is this true?

Using this radio Radio
This is the result of my new speed test

Doing some more testing I'm finding out some more things.
1) My ping fluctuates between 200ms-700ms.
2) My ul is usually greater than my downstream.
3) A lot of times it says my test is originating in California.

Kerensky18 said:
Doing some more testing I'm finding out some more things.
1) My ping fluctuates between 200ms-700ms.
2) My ul is usually greater than my downstream.
3) A lot of times it says my test is originating in California.
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Whenever I run a speedtest from my work or home PC, I always get routed to the NYC test server. But when I tether and run the test, it wants to route to to somewhere in the Midwest. I just override it and select the NYC server, so I would suggest you manually select the server closest to your physical location.
Have a look at my work's internet connection... minus the company name.

I still average speeds between 95-300ish.

I talked again with ATT today and verified I have the 3.5g network where I am.. I'm actualy in the heart of the network. They recomended changing the device. Now I just need to know how to get it back to the default radio, rom and spl.

Kerensky18 said:
I talked again with ATT today and verified I have the 3.5g network where I am.. I'm actualy in the heart of the network. They recomended changing the device. Now I just need to know how to get it back to the default radio, rom and spl.
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Hi:
It's in the WIKI.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335568
I have never flashed my phone, so I am not an expert in that sense, but I believe that thread will give you the info you need

I found that thank you.. I'm still trying a few different radios with varying results though. I don't think I will replace my device I'm not that happy with it anyhow. I want the touch-pro when it comes out.

I finally got the speeds up to what they are supposed to be. I'm using Nikki radio 1.65.24.36

3g speed too fast?

I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?

kylez64 said:
I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?
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If it goes through a proxy it will screw things up. I once did a GPRS test (on an SE W580i) and got 40kbps with the SE browser. On opera mini it would tell me I was on 56MB

I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.

kylez64 said:
I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.
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try some other speed test site
mobilespeedtest.com says my 3g speed is 11907 Kbps oO
lukluk says my max speed is 619 Kbps
Xtreme lab's speedtest app says my d/l speed is 447 Kbits/s

speed testing - the badass way
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.

d0ugie said:
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.
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well I did this and got around 1-2 mbps witch is still very good for me
one can always dream though lol

[Q] HD7 Data Connection Issues (T-Mobile USA)

Has anyone else had trouble with loading web pages occassionally on T-Mobile's data connection?
Every once in awhile, web pages simply won't load, and I get the "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" error. It seems like I have to close all my tabs and then open a page to get it working again. This "glitch" or whatever it is, doesn't happen on WiFi, but has happened numerous times on the data connection.
Is this happening to anyone else??? It's like T-Mobile is trying to throttle the connection or something... I haven't used THAT much data

ace10134 said:
Has anyone else had trouble with loading web pages occassionally on T-Mobile's data connection?
Every once in awhile, web pages simply won't load, and I get the "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" error. It seems like I have to close all my tabs and then open a page to get it working again. This "glitch" or whatever it is, doesn't happen on WiFi, but has happened numerous times on the data connection.
Is this happening to anyone else??? It's like T-Mobile is trying to throttle the connection or something... I haven't used THAT much data
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I have noticed this too, but when I look I usually have dropped to Edge from 3G. I think it has more to do with the 3G signal than the device itself. Possibly issues with your location the construction of the building you are in overhead fluorescent light, all of those might factor into the dropping signal. Just a theory.

I was pulling some CRAZY download speeds on mobile speed test website.
I was actually getting 25 Mb down consistently... With a 7 Mb sample size and about 5 different tests on 3G! The phone was blazing fast at the time too.
When I got home on wifi my speeds were back to normal - around 9 Mb.
I wonder if they were doing some network upgrades in Princeton NJ today?
Pretty crazy, and while it may have been the speed test was whacky, I really don't think it could've have been wrong on that many separate tests.
Anyway, that's my input. I think data has been good.

pittphan said:
I was pulling some CRAZY download speeds on mobile speed test website.
I was actually getting 25 Mb down consistently... With a 7 Mb sample size and about 5 different tests on 3G! The phone was blazing fast at the time too.
When I got home on wifi my speeds were back to normal - around 9 Mb.
I wonder if they were doing some network upgrades in Princeton NJ today?
Pretty crazy, and while it may have been the speed test was whacky, I really don't think it could've have been wrong on that many separate tests.
Anyway, that's my input. I think data has been good.
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Yea, speed is no issue. I get 9 or 10 Mbps download speeds regularly. The problem is as I described, once in a while pages simply refuse to load, and I basically have to restart the browser. You have never experienced that? Thanks to the other user for your feedback, that might be true about it switching from 3G to Edge, I'll try to pay attention to that the next time it happens.

yeah, i got the issue you mentioned earlier this afternoon. hitting the refresh button doesn't seem to help either.

On several occasions, I've struggled to get a decent data connection, despite there being an apparent signal. Turning the data off and back on again in settings->mobile network has fixed it, but it is frustrating.

zulu208 said:
yeah, i got the issue you mentioned earlier this afternoon. hitting the refresh button doesn't seem to help either.
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Yep. well it's good to know that others are experiencing it. I don't believe it is a problem with T-Mobile's network, since my old WinMo phone worked just fine. I wonder if people on ATT have this issue, cause I would say it is something that needs to be fixed in Windows Phone in general. I'll post the question in their Samsung Focus forums.

I usually do not have any problems with the data on my device.
But one thing I have noticed that is happening frequently on my phone was... It gets stuck in 'G' (which I think is GPRS, worst than Edge). After a bit of analysis, I have realized, that when I get into and out of a tunnel (I take a subway to work), at times, my device does not get the 3G and stuck in G.
But once I reboot the phone, I am back to full signal.
Again, this DOES NOT always happen. Only once in a while.
On the whole I am actually VERY HAPPY with the data speeds. I was actually amazed to see how Netflix app was streaming movies seamlessly on my device with out any hiccups even while passing through areas where the coverage fluctuates from 3G to Edge and back.

conection
hi all, I have the following problem: buy a t-mobile hd7 released, I need to manually configure the 3G connection and I have that option. I live in Argentina and so far with my previous phones had no problems (hd2 htc, htc desire, xperia x10) thanks

I have noticed this issue too and I don't think it's t-mobile but on a positive note the web pages load up very fast.

[Q] Speed testing

Increasing speed input/output.
So yesterday, I was out and about, and did a speed test. 3 bars, and I was at 6mps in, and 4.5mps, up. At home, with 4 bars I was at 5.1mps in, and 4.3 up. Even my wifi is terrible. Is there anyway to improve on this? Or is it just the cell towers?

Make sure you aren't testing on an overloaded server. That slows speeds down lot. Also tests done indoors tend to be slower as well

Different servers equal different results.
I've been getting huge differences in results depending on the server. I've noticed some abnormally high speed tests while in 5 bar coverage.
Eventhough a server is further away, it might give you a faster speed.
I would also test your speeds with a browser that can view pages in desktop mode, Dolphin/Opera.
Another way to test it would be to tether to your PC or Mac and do a speedtest on speedtest.net and speakeasy. Until I tried a server other than my hometown my speeds were never higher than 3.5Mbps.
There is also another thread in here that talks about a perceived speed increase caused by the OTA Update that was recently pushed.
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