I have determined that a lot of my low space issues in the data/data folder are from nearly 120MB of 'system data'. I was confused but willing to work around it since system data is usually pretty important.
However, I recently set up my wife's cappy just like mine (same ROM, Kernel, Modem) and she only has 8MB of system data in her data/data folder
So, now I'm looking to understand what system data goes into that folder. I know I could do a complete clean install to figure parts of it out, but if there is an answer out there it would be much easier than the pain of a clean install.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all of your application data (cache & user data, but not the applications themselves) lives in there. If you go through your application list and clear the caches, or use a cache cleaner from the market, you should be able to free up much of that space.
The nice thing about the cache cleaners from the market is that they will sort by cache size so you can see which programs hoard cache space (*coughFacebookcough*)
I've thought of that, and 1 Tap Cleaner only shows 1MB in cache. In fact, since I haven't been using a lot of my apps while figuring this out, nearly all of them are 0 cache.
Is there something that 1 tap cleaner is missing?
Cache is the easiest way to free up space, but I believe all of your user data, databases, etc. live in there as well. If you move some apps to the SD card, I think it takes the user data with it which should free up some space.
You could also go through and clear the user data from apps that have big databases (like Facebook), but this will clear all of your settings and account info. Once you start using it again, this is obviously going to start filling up again but I find it a bit hard to believe that my username, password, and settings really need to occupy the 3.06mb that it's currently taking up on my phone. It must be accumulating crap somewhere along the way.
I've moved some apps to SD w/o really affecting the amount stored there. I have also cleared some data which did help, but doesn't affect the system data.
That's the strangest part. The system data seems to be ~120MB no matter what I do. From all I can find, I only have approx 35MB of actual application user data... the rest is listed as system data, which I can't break down any further.
I've heard of the contacts storage going haywire and taking up space. Have you tried checking and/or clearing that one? Obviously you'll lose anything you don't have backed up with Google.
If that doesn't help, I'm out of ideas short of wiping all of your data and starting over.
Huh... I'll check into the contacts one. I'll report back here with what I find.
Thanks!
Darnit... only 4MB was in contact storage... and it didn't seem to affect my system data.
I guess I'll start preparing to start over. I think I may have done a backup after i fresh installed everything... perhaps I could reinstall that and see what things looked like!
Thunderbolt adds a sqlite_optimize script which defrags databases. That may help reduce the size.
Any time I use Titanium Backup to restore my apps, I do it in chucks and never restore system data since I'm always changing ROMs. For chunks I mean restore apps+data only for apps that need it, then restore apps without for all the rest. Any apps which I don't run never save any data so it saves space.
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I'm trying to figure out why my phone is so low on space. I hardly have any apps installed, but it still says I have about 6MB free. Some of the apps have downloaded extra things they need to run (like this translator app), but all of that is stored on the SD card to my knowledge.
What is the fastest way, short of naming off every app I have to you guys, that I can figure out what files or files are taking up so much space on my phone?
go to settings, applications, manage applications ..there hit menu and sort by size .. you might find out that your browser and market cache are huge. select them and hit clear cache
turboyo said:
go to settings, applications, manage applications ..there hit menu and sort by size .. you might find out that your browser and market cache are huge. select them and hit clear cache
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yea the cache for many apps can do that to you
simplest way to avoid that is by moving cache to the sd card (just search for a guide, there are many )
Well surprisingly, no cache was that big (just a couple of megs). I can't really figure out what's so big on this thing.
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Well surprisingly, no cache was that big (just a couple of megs). I can't really figure out what's so big on this thing.
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do you use the google maps a lot? When you organized it by size were there many apps over a meg?
Root your phone and use Apps2SD and stop worrying about the lack of space.
Have you used any kind of program to backup your apps before a flash? The only way I know of fixing it is to get into recovery and do a FRESH wipe and fresh reinstall, then manualy add all your apps back. Should clear things up.
First about my phone, It's a Sprint CDMA Hero rooted and running Damages 2.09.1 rom. I have a 16gig card in it and the phone really works well.
Now my problem..........
My internal memory has a parasite that is slowly eating it away. I have figured out that when internal memory gets below 16MB it turns on the little warning in the status bar. So this is how I'm checking my internal memory so everyone that takes their time to respond to me is using the same method. I go to Settings> SD&Phone Storage, at the bottom of the screen that comes up is the "Internal Phone Storage" Available space and mine says 15.84MB. Today I installed a highly rated memory manager from the Market and it didn't help at all. So my first question is How much "internal Phone Storage" do you have left?
Now my second question is when you go to Settings> Applications> Manage Applications> and scroll way down to "Mail - HTC Corporation" and click on that. Now look at the storage. Mine says 15.64 MB Total. Which breaks down there to Application 2.59MB and Data at 13.05MB. Clearly my Mail program is holding the biggest chunk of memory. But I want to know how this compares to everyone else's. If this is true then it would account for the parasitic growth or loss of my memory.
So if I'm way different then this will start a good discussion on what to do about this problem. Just let me say at this point that I delete all email once I have read it. I delete the sent, draft and Trash folders too. I also go into the SD Card and delete everything that is in the .Mail folder. So if my phone is storing old email now I have to fine out where and delete it.........
Also I constantly clear out the various cache's that the phone has too. But this memory is slowly going away. Any help would be appreciated very much.
I also appreciate everyone weighing in on this perplexing problem.
Thanks for your help and comments.........
Lisa
You can try clearing data for mail. If you don't want to reset up your accounts, back up mail account settings with titanium backup and restore afterwards. Also, consider using apps2sd, and storage is a non issue.
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How do I clear out the "mail data"? I have looked for that data and can't find it. If you could tell me where that data us located I would clear it NOW!
Also I will look into that apps2sd now also.
Thanks for your help......
Lisa
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"Internal Phone Storage" Available space and mine says 15.84MB. Today I installed a highly rated memory manager from the Market and it didn't help at all.
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you are confusing storage (like a Hard Drive) and RAM (memory)... the memory manager only helps keep unneeded programs from running in the background it will not free up space on the internal 'hard drive'
you could also 'upgrade' to CyanogenMod 6 as Android 2.2 natively supports putting apps on the SD card.
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...when you go to Settings> Applications> Manage Applications> and scroll way down to "Mail - HTC Corporation" and click on that...
...Also I constantly clear out the various cache's that the phone has too...
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How do I clear out the "mail data"? I have looked for that data and can't find it. If you could tell me where that data us located I would clear it NOW!
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You 'clear data' in the same place you 'clear cache', which you said you know how to do above. Its in the manage apps menu.
Well how do I clear space on my internal "hard drive"? How do I clear mail data which seems to be hogging my memory?
Houston we have a problem and don't know how to fix it....
Yyou go to the same place we told you before. Settings, applications, manage, then view all and sort by size. Then you will see what's taking up space. You can go into it there and clear data. If you are rooted, download cachecleaner and run it. If none of that helps then you either have to start uninstalling apps you don't use or you've done something that is affecting your storage space and you need to probably do a wipe/reflash.
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Well my Mail App or rather the stock HTC Mail app is the growing hog. When I go in to "Manage Applications" all I can clear is the Cache and NOT the data that is so big. I just don't get this. My memory, as I said has a parasite that is growing and eating memory. I'm right on the ragged edge of the flagged warning coming up about "low memory".
Here is a radical idea. Can I go in to the system> app folder and copy and save the HTC Mail apk and then delete the file and hopefully the entire Mail program from my phone. Reboot and then reinstall the HTC Mail apk and run it to reinstall it and then reset up my email? It's definitely the Mail application that is growing and I don't know why. It's saving mail somewhere...........
Also I downloaded and installed the Cacheclean program and ran it. It said all my cache was already clean so it proves I have been diligent about keeping what I can clean................
All help and idea's are appreciated.
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Also I downloaded and installed the Cacheclean program and ran it. It said all my cache was already clean so it proves I have been diligent about keeping what I can clean
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that's not what that means. that means either superuser permissions is not working properly, or you've lost root on your phone, or something related to busybox, per the app developer. believe me, i've ran into that application telling me the same thing multiple times. you could never keep cache that clean on your phone unless you never used it.
Well the cache cleaner isn't working. I checked the SU program and the cache cleaner is not listed there so I guess its not working. Busybox and SU are working for titanium so the cache cleaner is a dive.
Oh well I get A for effort. I'll just use this lousy hero till it runs put of memory and I guess get a better phone like a LG or Droid.......
Or when it's no longer functional you can run the ruu and see if that fixes anything
The htc mail app has a bug where the mail doesnt get deleted even when you empty the trash. Its stored somewhere hidden on the internal memory. Also if you sync mail for more than 3 days it seems to cause memory issues as well.
Best bet is to use the K9 mail app. It will allow you to keep things clean.
Now 13+ megs should not be causing an issue so obviously you have a decent amount of apps installed as well. Id recommend running the a2sd to keep your internal clean.
I am following through as I alway do to thank you all for your help and tell you how I resolved the problem. I received some great advice from everyone and the last tip, which is usually my luck was the best.
The bottom line someone questioned why I thought I lost root. I explained what was going on and the best and final suggestion was to down load the latest Superuser.apk and flash through "recovery". Yes I had to ask exactly what that meant but I followed the directions and did it. Problem solved. I had SU working on my phone for Root Explorer and Titanium Backup. Then I downloaded Cachecleaner and it worked this time perfectly and it found 25MB of junk on my phone and cleared it out. So now I'm running 40MB of internal memory with all my programs working rather snappy now. In my estimation I screwed up the SU with the memory manager that was recommended somewhere along the line. When it didn't do anything for me I uninstalled it and I think my SU went with it. But the phone is fixed and I want to thank you all for your time in responding to my problem and requests. Sometimes multiple............
Thanks again.....
Lisa
I installed the eVil rom on my N1 and I am now constantly getting the low error message. I could not care less about it but it looks like it's preventing the phone from downloading any updates or new apps. Yes I still think I have more than 200MB available. I've zapped lots of apps and slim down what's on the phone to the barebone. I do not want to go through any A2SD workaround, also because I do not really have much on the phone and whatever I can move to the SD has already been moved.
Is there an alternative solution to this bugging message ?
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There isnt actually a workaround for this. You simply need more space. While its debatable how much space in enough space, most people would agree that you should keep at least 50mb internal space on a Nexus One. I have 132 apps installed and have 150mb free on mine.
Apps2sd/apps2ext is definetely worth the small amount of time it takes to setup.
You can't have more than 200MB available, since all the app storage space is 196MB.
Apps2EXT doesn't work in the same way as Froyo's Apps2SD, and frees MUCH more space - including Dalvik-cache.
With this message showing, you don't get any text messages (SMS) - they're lost.
Can't I just move the dalvik-cache manually and create a sim link to it.
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You can (move it to /cache). You also can do it to the "data/data" folder. You also can completely replicate all the work of Apps2EXT, and you can manually repartition the SD card and write the boot scripts that will mount the EXT partition. The question is - why would you want to waste your time doing that, when somebody already created something that you need.
First off, I suspect you're not looking at the right thing.. Settings->SD Card and Phone Storage and look at Internal Phone Storage for available space.. It's <20, yes?
You can try clearing Browser cache from the Settings->Applications...
How many apps do you have installed? Any HUGE apps, like Nook, Google Earth, Flash, etc? If so, maybe you do need to do apps2ext to free up space.
If that's not enough, then DO NOT move dalvik-cache to /cache, it's NOT BIG ENOUGH. If you're running out of space using apps2ext your dalvik-cache is probably 100M or more, and /cache has 96M, and you do not want to run out of space for dalvik-cache. If you must, move it to the SD card.
I was surprised to see my wife's N1 only had 20 MB of internal memory. She is running Enomther's Rom, which runs great.. I don't think the issue is tied to that.
She has hardly any apps on her phone, and rarely does anything other than work emails (Touchdown) and Facebook/Twitter.
Considering how little she has on the phone, and how little she does with it I, was just really shocked that she would have so little internal memory. She called me just now and stated she has a notification that she missed a text message because she did not have enough memory.
What the heck could be taking up so much memory?
What's the fix? There isn't really anything to delete (that I'm aware of)....
Search seemed helpess with "internal" and "memory" there were WAY too many posts. Please help if you can!
Browser cache might be huge, if she has many sites opened in many browser windows.
Her "not many" apps might be "many" enough for a phone with limited internal memory like Nexus - having ~200MB for apps, data and cache together.
There are exactly 3 solutions:
1) Keep browser in check. It's always a good practice.
2) Use native Froyo method and move apps to SD.
3) Use Apps2EXT method and move apps to SD. You can also move Dalvik-cache to /cache.
Hmm, she has MAYBE 10 apps?
I downloaded a cache cleaner and ran that, it removed maybe 8 MBs? That was this past weekend, and she got that message about low memory today. I doubt she has even opened the browser since then to be honest. Very light user.
I sent enomther a tweet, his reply was:
RT @enomther @CallipH need to implement either dalvik-cache-2-/cache or apps2ext in SpareParts (DataStorage options) ... sysdc-2-/cache is default on cm6
okay, so option 1 is to move dalvik cache to sd, which I think you do in Advanced > Amon's recovery, right? Any ill effects from doing this if I switch roms?..
Option 2, apps2ext... she does not have an ext partition and frankly surprised this is needed... is the nexus that low on memory? My Vibrant has 1.6 GBs. same question, any ill effects if moving to another rom with the apps on the ext? I did that a lot back in the day with the G1. I remember having some issues and having to do fix permissions a lot.
Thanks for all the help man.
Check, what's using the memory. Just go over the apps.
You can't do Dalvik-to-SD, because it requires EXT partition, which you don't have. You can do Dalvik-to-Cache.
There is no hassle in having apps on EXT whatsoever. The only hassle is getting them there.
ROM has nothing to do with application data usage either.
Have you tried wiping the Dalvik cache? Worth ago in case there's some built up crap I spose.
^^ thanks.
^ I did before flashing the rom. Will do it again.
I know it's relative, but how much internal memory would you expect someone to have when they just have about 10 apps?
Depends on the apps. I can count 2 - Google Earth and Motonav, for example - that take together 50MB of space without even counting the cache part. Another 4 apps like that, and you're out of memory (if you don't move them to SD using Froyo's method or old Apps2SD-EXT method).
There's also numerous games that are > 10MB, can easily add up.
I'm curious if Touchdown (Exchzange work email) is doing something funky... I know the apps on her phone and they are all very small. Thank you guys all for the posts.
I think I may format her card and partition it and move the cache to the ext partition and see what her memory looks like after that.
Any issues you guys can think of with that, or other ideas?
Download DiskUsage, and it will give you a good idea of what the problem is...
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So a bit of history. When I first updated my phone from AOSP Froyo, I used Titanium Backup (as I often do) but this time I restored app + system data. I'm now in the process of shedding dead weight in /data and thinking this choice is chewing up some of my space. I have around 50 or so apps and I have ~29MB in data. I did find some dead weight in /data/tombstones which is uneeded crash report data. Still, this remainder of storage seems less than normal so thinking some of that transferred app data has something to do with it. I'm not interested in Fire Rat Mod at the present time, but my question is this:
is /data/data, the entirety of the app data restored by TB?