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I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
fiftyclick said:
I just won a free Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant with Bell Mobility, but which one should I keep? I love my Nexus One, and it seems that there is a lot more development for the N1 right now. I am a rom flashing junkie, love to tinker with my phone, and make update.zip files for fun...
That being said, clearly the N1 is better.. but only for right now. Does anyone have any insight on when the Galaxy will get as much attention? It is on 5-6 networks already after all..
Thanks!
Either way, lets get a rom dump and see what we can play with
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Galaxy S probably has the better hardware.
N1 will continue to get android releases from google first ... once the Galaxy S is out on all networks and widely sold, I would expect custom rom development to explode for it (and be the same if not better than for the n1)
=> I would keep the galaxy (based on better hardware alone)
i would keep both. you have the best of both world. N1 which is will have the most updated android and SGS which has best hardware at this moment. but with some issues on software. but that will be all figured out. play with both and then make your decision.
BTW, hating on you so much. lucky SOB.
Whatever you do, don't get rid of the N1. Either keep both and hope the Galaxy issues get resolved (GPS AND Compass) or sell the Galaxy. The Galaxy has much faster graphics performance and built in HDMI out via USB but, unfortunately, the GPS and Compass issue make it a no go for a day to day user. The thing about the Nexus is that it will continue to get updates first and,likely, there will be much more development on it. Likely, this will result in much better tuned software and possibly even open up even more functionality. With the core hardware issues of the Samsung, you are at the mercy of Samsung and their track record is not so good. I actually bought a Vibrant (Galaxy S) and returned it.
Hey! I'm a new Nexus One user. I've been using the Galaxy S for a long time and in the end chose the N1 over it. Yes, the hardware on the GS is better than the N1, but really, for me it all came down to keeping the phone that made me feel heavenly -- the N1!
You will be better off in the long run with the Nexus One...
I sold my n1 for the sgs and I'm not looking back.. true Multitouch, memory ,gpu and super amoled was enough for me. N1 was great, but the sgs is better IMO... development is starting pretty well. Especially soon....
Hey guys,
what do you think, is it possible to port the Android 2.3 Gingerbread from Nexus S to our Samsung Galaxy S. Because it has a similar hardware!
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You're fast , just wanted to ask this. Hope some legend dude will do this.
Theoretically it should be very simple to port the software. The only difference I can see from a hardware perspective is the NFC chip which simply needs to be disabled in software, and the missing search button which will need to be mapped to a menu long-press.
I did some work on the NITDroid project back when I had an N900, and neither of these is particularly difficult to do.
For nexus S info:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=samsung-galaxy-s
will the iNAND be a problem?
Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
i can't see any reason we will have issues bringing it to the galaxy s line, especially if its the same SoC... and hardware, gps might be different, but thats a huge bonus anyways
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Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
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yea the Nexus use the 16gb iNAND...
Since Samsung closely helped Google at making the hardware, hopefully we might have a quick 2.3 Samsung version for our devices
Which will then be easier to bring down to stock with the Cyanogen team progress
It must be far easier than a sense port or even cyanogen port.
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One thing that also caught my eye was, that the video recording isn't HD... probably to not throw away boatloads of RAM for the camera...
Arkanius said:
Since Samsung closely helped Google at making the hardware, hopefully we might have a quick 2.3 Samsung version for our devices
Which will then be easier to bring down to stock with the Cyanogen team progress
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I wouldn't bet on that. If Sammy released 2.3 in short order for the SGS it would cannibalize Nexus S sales. The aftermarket community is still the best bet.
binary110 said:
i can't see any reason we will have issues bringing it to the galaxy s line, especially if its the same SoC... and hardware, gps might be different, but thats a huge bonus anyways
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GPS is the same! Both using A-GPS Chips. The NFC Software must be Disabled, Bluethooth Updated to 3.0, Nexus S has only 2.1 and Video Recording Updated to 1280x720, Nexus S had 720x480
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Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
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Thats the biggest problem, I think. SuperCurios Tweet to iNand Tweet
Leandros
This a premature thread. Once a dump or aosp is released only then can we begin to do something about it. Till then this is a discussion thread and not related to development. IMHO
What about rfs? Im sure google is not using it. We will have to work that out as well.
2.3 SDK is out so I see no problem in getting gingerbread.
Whether as a port from the NS or a homebrew I don't really care.
All I want is the integrated SIP client. Been missing this since switching from my Nokia e90 Communicator to Android 1 year ago.
I am interested how the nexus S fares against a hacked Galaxy S, don't think it will be any faster!
Mycorrhiza said:
2.3 SDK is out so I see no problem in getting gingerbread.
Whether as a port from the NS or a homebrew I don't really care.
All I want is the integrated SIP client. Been missing this since switching from my Nokia e90 Communicator to Android 1 year ago.
I am interested how the nexus S fares against a hacked Galaxy S, don't think it will be any faster!
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Everything is virtually the same.
I call up one the powers of the all powerful XDA to port the N:S for all the SGS's that are out there, so we can forget about samsung roms and use a normal google one
The Nexus S doesn't seem to support an external sd card. Likely another problem?
bigriot said:
The Nexus S doesn't seem to support an external sd card. Likely another problem?
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Maybe... but I can live without an external SDCARD for now...
I know similar threads have already been made, but having had no experience with the Galaxy S, I was just going to ask a few questions with have not really been answered in some cases:
1. Are there any custom ROMs for the Galaxy S that get rid of TouchWiz in favour of a Google Android experience?
2. Samsung has recently announced that it will release Gingerbread for the Galaxy S. Is it likely that this will be running TouchWiz, or will it be similar to the ROM on the Nexus S?
3. Will it be straightforward for the community to port ROMs from the Nexus S, seeing as it has almost identical hardware to the Galaxy?
4. Is it possible to use the front facing camera in Skype?
5. Is the build quality on par with the HTC Desire?
The software in my opinion is the main issue with the Galaxy S, so it would be really helpful if someone could give me some insight into what is going on in the Galaxy S community. So far I have only had experience in the HTC Desire forums.
Thanks,
unnddd
First of all, galaxy s is way much better than desire!
1. Yes it is!
2. Yes of course!
3. I don't think so, but we already have good custom rom's
4. Don't known.
5. no, htc desire has a little better build quality. for me galaxy has a very good built quality!
I switched from my htc desire to the samsung galaxy s for about a week, and then switched right back to my desire!
The software on htc's desire is still greater than the galaxy s, as the desire works out of the box, and galaxy s needs a lagfix just to be able to run as smoothly.
The build quality feels much cheaper on the galaxy s, but I dont believe there's too much difference in actual quality, mainly the feel of it. The galaxy s has a slightly better screen and slightly better specs inside (not really enough to justify the switch)
All in all though, it's up to you whether you really want to change. If you feel like something's missing from the desire, then maybe go into a phone store and try one out, for the feel of it, and if you like, go ahead and take the plunge
Thanks for your opinion, but can you clarify your response to my second question. I don't know if you mean that it will have TouchWiz or it won't.
Thanks
cereal86 said:
First of all, galaxy s is way much better than desire!
1. Yes it is!
2. Yes of course!
3. I don't think so, but we already have good custom rom's
4. Don't known.
5. no, htc desire has a little better build quality. for me galaxy has a very good built quality!
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Thanks for your opinion, but can you clarify your response to my second question. I don't know if you mean that it will have TouchWiz or it won't.
Thanks
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Most likely it WILL have touchwiz , but i think by the time Samsung makes official Gingerbread update , there will be unnofficial one from Nexus S (still nobody knows for sure).
Thanks. And how easy is it to install custom ROMs without TouchWiz on the Galaxy S?
If you're running stock - Desire (apart from the incredible SuperAmoLED screen on the Galaxy S)
If you're running a Custom Rom - Samsung Galaxy S most DEFINITELY!
Installation of custom roms is incredibly easy these days.
Yes it is. NFT
At this point of time, you'd honestly be better off waiting for Dual core Mobiles. It's an upgrade, but you need to ask yourself if you truly need the new features.
When are dual core mobiles going to start coming out? I was actually thinking of waiting for HTC's next flagship device running Gingerbread. Anyone have any idea when such a device might be released?
If you don't like TW, you can always download LauncherPro. It looks/feels more like stock Android.
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Some are apparently expected by end of year (at least thats what LG claimed in Sept). However, unsure about Android ones.
If you have plenty of money, go ahead and upgrade if you want. But unless you need 720p recording, and want the superior touch performance of the Galaxy, at this time, I think it's worth waiting
Don't go for the SGS if you have a Desire.
The difference isn't worth the money.
Wait for dualcores that will come next year.
2011 is gonna be a good year for phones, and you should hold on for a good upgrade
Depends if you already own a HTC Desire. I have owned a HTC Desire for a few months, and switched to a Galaxy because it was thrown in free with a provider change.
If you already own a Desire, you'll probably will not be totally satisfied with the Samsung Galaxy S.
- despite the Amoled screen, much cooler colours on the Galaxy (white is blueish),
- software just isn't working as smoothly as with HTC (unless you install the latest JPU firmware which makes it on par),
- i miss the optical trackpad now and then
On the plus side:
+ very active ROM community, you could flash several new ROMS and kernels a day
+ better battery life (with the right setup)
+ larger screen
+ much better graphics performance in games
+ Allshare (play photo's & videos straight to your Samsung TV)
I used to rleally like HTC Sense, but with Launcherpro on the Galaxy, there isn't that much difference.
My conclusion: if you already have a HTC Desire, upgrade to the Desire HD, or wait for the Galaxy S2
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I know similar threads have already been made, but having had no experience with the Galaxy S, I was just going to ask a few questions with have not really been answered in some cases:
1. Are there any custom ROMs for the Galaxy S that get rid of TouchWiz in favour of a Google Android experience?
2. Samsung has recently announced that it will release Gingerbread for the Galaxy S. Is it likely that this will be running TouchWiz, or will it be similar to the ROM on the Nexus S?
3. Will it be straightforward for the community to port ROMs from the Nexus S, seeing as it has almost identical hardware to the Galaxy?
4. Is it possible to use the front facing camera in Skype?
5. Is the build quality on par with the HTC Desire?
The software in my opinion is the main issue with the Galaxy S, so it would be really helpful if someone could give me some insight into what is going on in the Galaxy S community. So far I have only had experience in the HTC Desire forums.
Thanks,
unnddd
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1. Touch wiz is not that bad. It's much more than the launcher. I prefer touch wiz ui with launcher pro. Touch wiz launcher is too iphonish for me.
5. I prefer galaxy over htc desire, once you lag fix it you'd never like to come back to smaller screen, hardly visible in direct sunlight.
Another advantage is swype, works flawless and speeds up text input.
Sound quality is far better than htc desire, loudspeaker, headphones, etc.
Camera is better, picture quality
And last but not least graphics performance at least twice better.
I own both devices, desire is better out of the box but with little and simple tweaking galaxy wins in all categories.
The top #1 advantage of desire is amount of Ram, galaxy has much less free memory.
Top #2 is flash, no way to use galaxy as flashlight
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rdy2go said:
1. Touch wiz is not that bad. It's much more than the launcher. I prefer touch wiz ui with launcher pro. Touch wiz launcher is too iphonish for me.
5. I prefer galaxy over htc desire, once you lag fix it you'd never like to come back to smaller screen, hardly visible in direct sunlight.
Another advantage is swype, works flawless and speeds up text input.
Sound quality is far better than htc desire, loudspeaker, headphones, etc.
Camera is better, picture quality
And last but not least graphics performance at least twice better.
I own both devices, desire is better out of the box but with little and simple tweaking galaxy wins in all categories.
The top #1 advantage of desire is amount of Ram, galaxy has much less free memory.
Top #2 is flash, no way to use galaxy as flashlight
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Cheers for that. I now know that it was a mistake getting the Desire instead of the Samsung. However, the problem with getting the Samsung right now might be that a new device will come out only two months down the line, rendering the Samsung obsolete. I wouldn't normally mind that, but I'd be quite pissed off if that was the result of me not being able to wait a month or two.
Currently I have an HTC Desire and also an iPhone 4 32GB in my possession, so I could theoretically raise about £700 for a new phone. That might put me in a good position with the dual core phones coming out and all.
Does anyone know what the next generation of phones will be like? Might it be better to skip them out entirely?
Right now I can compare the Desire and iPhone, and I must say the iPhone is better in more ways than it's worse. Despite this, I was still considering selling it due to the issues with poor signal.
The iPhone build quality is definitely better, the games are actually worthwhile, and some of the apps, especially from larger companies like Facebook, seem more polished. In addition, I like the music player better (Genius is a great feature whatever anyone else may think), and the audio quality through headphones is superior. However, in almost every other way related to firmware, I think Android beats iOS. This includes gmail integration, stock apps such as contacts (especially on Sense UI) and the numerous options to customise it and play around with it; I can't install a custom kernel or test out a MIUI ROM on my iPhone.
This leaves me in a difficult position. Probably the most important considerations for me are apps, games, and the ability to use basic phone functions. The iPhone does two of these well, but is lacking in the phone department. On the other hand is Android, which is getting better as we discuss this on this very forum.
Sorry for the long rant, but does anyone else think that the quality of apps, and integration with all the different phones (fragmentation!) that are running Android vastly need to improve before Android can really rival the iPhone? I recently ran The Sims 3 side by side on both platforms. Need I say more? For me it's about quality rather than quantity. I'm not going to install all of the 80,000 apps on Android, or the 260,000 or whatever it is on the iPhone. What I will say is that most apps are comparable, but this isn't true when it comes to games.
Is anyone in a position to make a judgement as to whether the quality of the user experience and games is likely to improve in the near future?
Thanks!
unnddd said:
Is anyone in a position to make a judgement as to whether the quality of the user experience and games is likely to improve in the near future?
Thanks!
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IMO they (all the producers) have to do something about battery life.
The screens are getting bigger and bigger, GPUs more powerful.
The modern smartphones are less and less "wireless" - they need to be charged too often.
The next generation will be even worse than current in this area.
I only play a handful of games, but I can't tell the difference. Angry Birds and Paper Toss are identical on both platforms. Part of the problem is half-hearted efforts by developers for the Android platform. They've recently recognised it's growth, but iPhone is still more well known and more prevalent in widespread use particularly in the younger demographic who like wasting money on useless crap (i.e. silly apps), so there's usually more effort and polish put into most apps. I think developers seeking to make money also prefer the strict rigidity of the app store with iPhone
It's improving all the time as Android grows, Words With Friends is due out sometime soon
seen the galaxy s II 2.3 with touchwiz 4.0 and the ui seems nicer. implementing new way to add widgets and other stuffs.
are we going to get that with our old galaxy s?
but 1 thing annoys me most is that, there is NO SCREEN OFF ANIMATION!!! [is there?]
which is one off the coolest thing i look forward in getting gingerbread.
I don't think we will ever get 2.3 on our i9000 devices. Samsung wants us to buy their new phone to get 2.3. Samsung is not apple, they don't really care about their existing userbase as much as apple does.
I highly doubt we will get 2.3, since thats what SGS2 comes with.
EarlZ said:
I highly doubt we will get 2.3, since thats what SGS2 comes with.
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I am almost certain we'll get 2.3, it will just take time.
The Galaxy S is going to be a dominate seller in many markets for months to come, and some versions of it (like the Infuse) have yet to even ship.
We'll see Gingerbread, it will just take time.
Personally, I'm putting my faith in CM7 which is great already and only getting better.
well if u dont want still pictures CWM7 seems to be working perfectly fine and with gingerbread launcher its stock 2.3.2
We will get it.
I am sure, We will get 2.3 base ROM and of course , TouchWiz 4.0 as well ...
I think its the only way samsung can create base for TouchWiz users ...
Would be mistake if Samsung will not release 2.3 for SGS ... I am sure, 2.3 would be last update for SGS as well.
SGS 2 out followed by price drop on SGS 1 followed by 2.3 update .
jje
They will probably release an update after SGS2 will reach a certain amount of sale number.
i m gussng we will get android 2.4
Dont think so ...
But, we will get GingerBread with New thouchWiz .... It makes no sense to maintain two diff. TouchWiz for Same version of Android ... Too much efforts ...
Point is ... When will we get it ???
JJEgan said:
SGS 2 out followed by price drop on SGS 1 followed by 2.3 update .
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I suspect you're right.
Samsung (from a sales point of view) would be stupid to give us all Gingerbread with Touchwiz 4.0 *right now*, as the only differential then to Galaxy S2 would be processor and screen. Samsung rightly want to push sales of the S2.
I'm guessing that once S2 has been out for a while (3 months say), then Samsung will release the pre-made Gingerbread firmwares for select older phones. As the Galaxy S has been (and will continue to be in lesser markets) a very strong sales device, I expect we'll then see Gingerbread on the S.
Of course, the reason Apple works in a different way is because to them everything is about keeping their userbase. They need to do this as there's no one else selling an iOS phone and so to protect their market share, they need to keep their users (reduce churn). Of course, from a sales perspective, they'd be *FAR* better off to never release an update for an older device; which is generally why you always find those updates are not-quite-so-good, or somewhat-slower than they need be on older devices.
(of course, there's nothing to stop some nice people leaking Samsung's dev. builds of Gingerbread for the Galaxy S)
stuclark said:
I suspect you're right.
Samsung (from a sales point of view) would be stupid to give us all Gingerbread with Touchwiz 4.0 *right now*, as the only differential then to Galaxy S2 would be processor and screen. Samsung rightly want to push sales of the S2.
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You are missing:
-more RAM
-21 Mbps quad-band HSPA+ radio
-better GPU
-thinner
It's a better phone.
Now Samsung should still release 2.3 for the Galaxy S if they want people to consider them as a reliable company supporting their products.
zorxd said:
It's a better phone.
Now Samsung should still release 2.3 for the Galaxy S if they want people to consider them as a reliable company supporting their products.
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Agreed.
They still have to release the source code which can then be ported to the SGS by other people. We don't know how easy that will be though.
I know a lot of people say they will avoid Samsung if they don't give proper updates and whatever, but they do use the best hardware in the phones.
The processors, GPUs, screens, sound processors... if only the quality of the software could match it.
All the phone manufacturers suck in their own ways. Motorola with their locked bootloaders and lack of updates (especially their non non-US phones), SE has that problem and lower end hardware in their phones, HTC sucks for sound quality and battery life, Nokia... well I shouldn't need to explain that
actually apple does the same through tricks.. you'll notice every major os + phone upgrade, the last phone upgrade sux balls
after 3-6month they provide an optimization update that makes the last phone perform properly.
they also voluntarily remove some software features (like wallpaper!!!) saying it needs "too much resources". Of course jail broken phone use these features on older phones without any problem.
Anyhow I wish some nice dudes leak the firmwares, too
tommy320 said:
I don't think we will ever get 2.3 on our i9000 devices. Samsung wants us to buy their new phone to get 2.3. Samsung is not apple, they don't really care about their existing userbase as much as apple does.
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You are not really thinking that, right, RIGHT?
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We will get android 2.3 if it's not with a samsung update there's also another way But Samfirmware.com posted that samsung is testing android 2.3 on SGS
so maybe we will get an update, i hope
For Samsung not releasing 2.3 for SGS1 is like shooting them self in the leg.
They will lose me and many others who already think that the best phones to buy are only Google's branded ones.
Personally, I will not buy any Samsung phone again and I don't care how good it is if this is direction things are going on.
PS
Crossing fingers for CM team.
I think threatening samsung of never buying from them again won't work...
After a few years you will eventually forget about it, or they will release a really good phone that would make you forget...
Not threatening, applying.
There is a reason why I've dumped iphone and as long as apple won't change their ways they can forget about me and people that I know.
Same goes with samsung. Dumping their clients support won't make them any good.
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kobik77 said:
For Samsung not releasing 2.3 for SGS1 is like shooting them self in the leg.
They will lose me and many others who already think that the best phones to buy are only Google's branded ones.
Personally, I will not buy any Samsung phone again and I don't care how good it is if this is direction things are going on.
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What phone are you going to buy then? The current Google branded one is Samsung anyway, and HTC only supported phones like the hero for a short time too (it's stuck on 2.1).
Let me know how your Windows Mobile turns out..
so i just got one as a present. rooted it in seconds but now what? from what ive read here there are no custom roms yet for this version PLUS the bluetooth keyboard i got with it cant even pair because the wifi only has different btooth capabilities apparently? i feel like i have a paper weight! lol unless i overlooked something what are the flashing options for the wifi only gtab?
nevermind. will be returning. hell my phone has more capabilities then this tab. very disappointing sam SUCK.
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Sorry to hear that, he only keayboard working with the P1010 is the Freedom Pro with SSP profile and it works great! the problem is due to the lack of HID profile in Froyo, as far I know this was added in 2.3, and the devices pre-gingerbread that has it is thanks to the manufacturers, like Archos (Awesome custom suport for codecs and profiles).
At first I was feeling the same (Poor bluetooth support and no ad-hoc), but the little guy has grown on me, the p1000 is no option for me as I already have Phone, and planning on buying an Acer Iconia for in house use and leave the P1010 for the outside.