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[Q] Motorola Rooting problems?

Hello folks,
I have been a loyal HTC customer for several years and I love my Android. But I am interested in the Motorola Atrix that is coming out for it's specs and large screen. However, I have been hearing bad tings about how Motorola is locking down their phones making it difficult and risky to customize.
Is this still true? Will this be a problem with Atrix? Do I need to just keep waiting for HTC to release something comparable?
Thanks!

dude, i'm a motorola milestone user. they promised us that froyo will be in our device last year but till now its still not in our phone (not the official one). and motorola has this habit of locking all their phones(except the original droid).
so my suggestion to you is, don't buy motorola phones until they have a better bootloader policy(like nexus one and nexus s). and spread it to all.

Hm, thats what I was afraid of. Too bad, but I guess they figure they don't need the sales that much.

Droid 3 is out - How about a forum for it.

Now that the Droid 3 is out, can we get a home to start talking and building developer support and get this bloatware off that Verizon & Motorola put on it.

that's would be wonderful!

I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.

IISiDeK1CKII said:
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Most phones have locked bootloaders. Devs crack them. Motorolas are just tougher to crack than others. And unfortunately the D3 is the most glamourous option if you want a QWERTY keyboard on VZW.

Lets get one going!

So far I am very happy with my D3, I have no complaints and regardless I feel no matter what Moto puts out for a Droid Bionic it will fall victim to the hype machine. Love for a couple of weeks until the honeymoon wears off.
I wanted a slider phone and move away from 4G LTE and kept my Unlimited Data. Next year CES 2012 when we see ICS next gen LTE phones, then I will get excited for summer 2012.

I agree! Getting one on the 14th!

Locked bootloader again. Ouch!

IISiDeK1CKII said:
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.

Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).

Awesome! Thanks for the forum!

JKingDev said:
Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).
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+1. I thought the HTC Merge would make it to Verizon, giving us a nice HTC branded slider but alas it didn't happen. Plus its specs were on the low end. Anyway, my D3 is coming in the mail today and I'm stoked to see a subforum. Does anyone know how encrypted the bootloader is? Even though the Atrix is getting unlocked I have a feeling Verizon is standing in the way of bootloader solutions on its network, as HTC's recent announcement (only t-mobile and sprint phones are getting unlocked) suggests.
We have the best devs on the planet here so I'm sure D3 owners will have some kind of root solution soon!

I'm waiting to see how long it takes for root to be achieved on this device before I make a concrete decision on whether to purchase it. Even though the physical keyboard is the main selling point for me, I think I could forego this "luxury" and purchase something else if I can't remove all of the bloat Verizon places on it. I'm due for my NE2 in about six weeks, so hopefully the devs have it cracked by then. I'd like to be able to root it straight out of the box, LOL! The most difficult thing for me has been staying out of the local stores so I don't buy one on impulse after playing around with it! From what I hear, the pentile screen is still significantly better than the screen on the D1, so I don't see that bothering me too much.

So far I am very pleased with the device. Yes I want the bootloader to be unlocked, but for now I would be happy with root and a deodexed ROM with bloat removed, more importantly an SBF. Perhaps we will see something from TBH in the future?

psouza4 said:
Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.
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Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.

rushless said:
Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.
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And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.

It is just me or does this forum not show up in the compact view of the forum home?

domenukk said:
And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.
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I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?

Side bar on the Droid 3: total usable RAM is 450000 KB reported by the system.

MinionOfEckerd said:
I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?
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that's right, they will both have the same usable RAM. plus doesn't the D3 (and the Bionic for that matter) uses ddr2 RAM, which is very fast?

Motorola says Atrix HD bootloader will be locked (BUT....)

So as it turns out, Motorola will also be locking down the bootloader for the upcoming Atrix HD....big surprise, eh?
However, something in this article is a bit noteworthy:
"...our goal is still to provide a way to unlock the bootloaders on our devices to those who wish to do so, more details to come."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...e-a-way-to-unlock-to-those-who-wish-to-do-so/

There's one guy around here that has a sig that says "Motorola lied I'm still locked" or something similar... he's got the right idea about it, and words mean nothing and neither do their broken promises so, until we see and can actually make use of a real honest to goodness unlocked bootloader, Motorola can stick their words someplace, you get to choose where.

4 words: Too little too late!
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865

Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))

Lies all lies...
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PhoenixNghi said:
Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))
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And now they're trying to relock It with the new updates
Motorola lied and I'm still locked mb865

Those are cheap lies from motorola. They played that scenerio very well with the XT910. Don't ever buy a phone motorola with locked bootloader with the hope of it could be unlocked in the future.

+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.

+1
adelvillar said:
+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.
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+1. Totally Agreed.

PhoenixNghi said:
Atrix 4G is unlocked when Atrix 2 is released
So, I hope that when Atrix HD is released, our Atrix 2 will be unlocked =))))))))
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The 4G wasn't officially unlocked when the Atrix 2 was released. We got lucky on that one...hence the cheesecake checking for the Atrix 2 in hopes that lightning strikes twice.

This is a tough one:
I REALLY wanna upgrade my phone, but I'm not sure if I want to wait to be able to do what I can now..

Its bull we heard it all with the defy and the atrix and then the razr
Don't forget when they said that about the razr they then released the dev version so you had to buy another phone.
I'm done with moto, their excellent hardware cant make up for their bad software hence why I brought a Samsung GS3 the only thing I can hope for this device is that they stick to their word(not gonna happen) or that if your lucky devs like quarx and eppy from the defy get helping here.
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I have never seen Moto as a anything more than the gimmick device provider for Verizon so to me this is business as usual....
Moto dropped the ball long ago....quality? In what? Superior Screens? To who? HTC has done some dumb crap too but have way out built Moto in the quality field....Samsung has leveled the entire industry with their technology. Moto does nothing except pack into their devices COMPARABLE hardware to other manufacturers....innovate nowhere....they amaze no one....from form to the most terrible UI....Atrix line? Fail.....Razr....I will give them battery on the Max but lose points for a sub par OMAP....sure its just my opinion but I can't see people being upset anymore over this BS entity.......Moto and Apple need to attend some courses on innovation because they are both all out of it.
Google should employ some good XDA devs to turn that dying rat platform into something good again....Moto has lost the will to out do.
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tylerdurdin said:
I have never seen Moto as a anything more than the gimmick device provider for Verizon so to me this is business as usual....
Moto dropped the ball long ago....quality? In what? Superior Screens? To who? HTC has done some dumb crap too but have way out built Moto in the quality field....Samsung has leveled the entire industry with their technology. Moto does nothing except pack into their devices COMPARABLE hardware to other manufacturers....innovate nowhere....they amaze no one....from form to the most terrible UI....Atrix line? Fail.....Razr....I will give them battery on the Max but lose points for a sub par OMAP....sure its just my opinion but I can't see people being upset anymore over this BS entity.......Moto and Apple need to attend some courses on innovation because they are both all out of it.
Google should employ some good XDA devs to turn that dying rat platform into something good again....Moto has lost the will to out do.
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I don't feel like arguing with a troll but you're wrong plain and simple. Don't like them, don't buy them.
Back on topic, don't ever buy a device expecting future functionality, you'll always end up disappointed.

Son et Lumiere said:
I don't feel like arguing with a troll but you're wrong plain and simple. Don't like them, don't buy them.
Back on topic, don't ever buy a device expecting future functionality, you'll always end up disappointed.
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I am an adult and know that only name calling causes arguments.....so you should not call people trolls who actually are device fanatics and know what they are talking about.
Also an opinion can't be wrong....you should know this if you are old enough to use a keyboard.
Also replying to an opinion with no rebuttal other than your wrong and not even singling out one superior feature, makes your comment a complete fail.....
Last, a reply to the stupidest thing I have EVER read ....."don't buy a device expecting future functionality"....????????....are you serious?....granted five years down the road I would expect nothing.....but buying devices that can hold its own for a few years is called being a smart consumer
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tylerdurdin said:
I am an adult and know that only name calling causes arguments.....so you should not call people trolls who actually are device fanatics and know what they are talking about.
Also an opinion can't be wrong....you should know this if you are old enough to use a keyboard.
Also replying to an opinion with no rebuttal other than your wrong and not even singling out one superior feature, makes your comment a complete fail.....
Last, a reply to the stupidest thing I have EVER read ....."don't buy a device expecting future functionality"....????????....are you serious?....granted five years down the road I would expect nothing.....but buying devices that can hold its own for a few years is called being a smart consumer
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You don't act like an adult.....at all.

adelvillar said:
+1. I for one wont ever buy a Moto phone. That's the only form of complaint that they will eventually listen to.
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osan441 said:
+1. Totally Agreed.
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+1 for not buying a phone because it has a locked bootloader.
-1 for thinking motorola (or any major OEM) cares about or listens to people like us. For every person who will not buy an atrix hd because of the bootloader, there are twenty people who will be somewhat annoyed but still buy one, and 1,000 people who will say "what's a locked bootloader?"
Moto knew this would create backlash but they did it anyway. The GS3 is unlocked on at&t, so I don't necessarily believe it was at&t's fault. Moto's message is loud and clear: "Android hobbyists and developers: We DO NOT care about you."
That said, I DO think we can get motorola to change, but missing sales from the open bootloader crowd simply isn't enough. Bad publicity on social networks, petitions, and hopefully an article about the bad publicity and petition on an android news site. How do we get the numbers? Get people who hate locked bootloaders, at&t, and/or motorola to sign. Then get some casual users involved, by describing the bootloader in overly simplified terms. Invoke carrier IQ and privacy, invoke freedom, etc.
There doesn't seem to be a lot of buzz around the atrix HD, so this may be easier said than done, but it would be nice because the atrix HD seems like it has the potential to be a truly great phone, I would suggest it over the Nexus in a heartbeat if it was totally unlocked and easy to install stock AOSP like ROM.

Ya you are right
+1 for not buying a locked bootloader phone.
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I once bought a Motorola Android (Atrix 4g), they make great build quality devices, and I'd buy a product of theirs again if they actually decided to ship their devices unlocked...they did this with the Atrix 4g people clamored for it to be unlocked...they said they would provide a solution they never did officially, it was only by luck that a leaked HK firmware for the phone pointed Devs in the direction on how to unlock the BL, fast forward some months and they have been releasing updates that relock the BL with no way to SBF back..Take a look on the verizon side, moto makes flagship phone for them, what did they do ship a Droid Razr with locked BL, their solution release a Dev device with unlocked BL and no warranty...So if we look at their track record on how to deal with BLs I dont put much faith in them, if anything their solution will be to release another Atrix HD Dev edition...too bad too cuz for 99 bux the Atrix HD seems like a solid deal...but I for one will not support them for shipping with a locked BL.

Sorry to be confusing locked bootlocker and locked phone. Can the phone be used for travelling to other countries? That is, using prepaid Simcard to countries that I will be travelling to.

My Interrogation with Motorola

So I work at Sprint and we finally had a Motorola Representative come down and speak to use (we sell the Photon Q which is like the droid 4 with a bigger screen). I told him about my experiences with the Droid 3 and what we were doing here. I told him about XDA's shared hatred towards Sanjay and he said he understood. He basically admitted that the Droid 3 should have never happened and that the Droid 4 was already practically made when the Droid 3 was being sold, basically because they already dumped money in to the droid 3 so they had to unload it on the consumer (Sanjay's fault). Some of the positive things he mentioned was that with the new leadership, updates are going to happen much more often and that flagship phones won't have 59 variations. Motorola will also start keeping it's promise to keep phone's up to date for 18 months as well.
I asked him about the bootloader blog debacle and he basically said that Verizon came in and put their foot down, which made them not follow through on what they said was going to happen. Actually in the end he said 90% of things are Verizon's fault (I wouldn't doubt it). They do have a huge advertising campaign that is practically paid for by Verizon, Verizon uses that to their advantage and blackmails them to do their bidding. He also mentioned that alot of his fellow employees are hoping that Google can strong arm Verizon into sitting the %#@& down and getting over themselves, allowing them to do a signed bootloader unlocking. He says that it should allow you to register your phone's ESN to MotoDev and it would then send a message back to the Verizon that the warranty is void but it would allow people to unlock the bootloader. Hardware warranty will still be covered by Moto, just not through Verizon and Asurion (unless you pay a deposit) There are a lot of angry sales people who do not like to sell Motorola phones due to their bloatware and locked boot-loader practices and Motorola knows that it isn't good for sales. He says the most common notes he sends back to HQ usually contain something about the bootloader, less motoblur, and death to Sanjay.
If you have any questions I can try to get in contact with him and see what else he has to say or if I asked him a question I forgot to put it in this post I can answer it. I grilled him for an hour.

Holy crap thanks. I hope they update us.
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Wow. So does this mean there is still hope yet?

Nope. It means that this phone is forgotten but future devices starting next quarter will be supported much better. Sorry.

This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.

Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.

doogald said:
This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
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Well Death to Sanjay was the most common note this year, and I still hold him accountable for our droid 3's.
cobravnm13 said:
Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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Wait for the S4. The S4 will be out sometime in April and will have a 1080p screen, rumored to have no bezel (edge to edge display), quadcore and the unbreakable flex display, and a 13mp camera. Samsung is seriously going after the iphone with this one. This is the one I am saving for but I will end up going to Sprint due to Verizon's data plans.

Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.

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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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jesusishere said:
Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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That would be awesome.

It sounds like the future at Motorola will be a lot better. We've already seen the fast updates for the Razr HD and M, hopefully Motorola gets the update out to their late 2011 phones as well.
I'm looking at getting the Razr M as my phone when I can upgrade in early 2013 unless something better comes out, since its one of the few phones without a huge screen. Its already got JB and Hash has safestrap working on it, so there will be some dev support. I'll keep my Droid 3 as a spare VZW phone and to mess around with ROMs on.

Moto X Root Questions

So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips

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So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
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Is it an unlocked version? If so, then yes root is available. Check the Moto X Android Development forum and you'll find guides for the same

jdlpjoe said:
So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough. If you paid full price for yours as opposed to buying it on contract, you could always return it and get a Pure edition directly from the motomaker website. It has zero AT&T bloat, an unlockable bootloader so you can root it right away, and it will most likely get updates quicker than any of the carrier branded models.

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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough.
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Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.

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Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.
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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.

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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.
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You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!

borxnx said:
You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!
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There's a U.S. Cellular branded one? I completely forgot they still existed lol.
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