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Quake 2 for android

http://quake2-android.sourceforge.net/
looks promising and dev is offering beta testing for those who donate over $3. I dont have a paypal account, anyone test this yet?
thanks

WOW!
from what i saw that looked great!
i love first person shooters and will sooooo drain a battery if they get games like this on our android os!

Just donated five dollars, I'll post up a quick run down once I get my grubby paws on an apk

I won't risk donating for this one
The guy is the infamous Valdimir Silva - with the worst and sloppiest ports of games like Doom and Quake. I seriously doubt this one will be an exception, but we'll see. Please give us feedback if you get the app. I hope he actually sends you an apk and doesn't take donations for some vaporware or a doom WAD for Quake 2, which I remember exists. I bet his next "port" will be CS 1.6 - there's a doom WAD for De dust too

ThrashWolf said:
Just donated five dollars, I'll post up a quick run down once I get my grubby paws on an apk
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let us know how it is

i want quake3 arena so i can play some instaunlagged on my phone

Force closing after one one run, however, during that one run, it's pretty smooth.

where do i get the pak0.pak? i'm having trouble downloaing in my area and it tells me to get the pak0.pak and move it over using cpu?

Unreal Tournament being ported to Linux is almost impossible because it uses the Unreal Game Engine, which is created by Epic Games and is NOT open source... I mean, you could get the code off some shady torrent site, but there's no possible legal way of porting Unreal Engine to anything other than Windows, Mac OS X, PSP, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Gamecube, Wii, etc...
The Quake engine's source code was released, so it is possible to run Quake now on a PSP, iPhone, ANDROID, etc.
P.S.
If there was an HTC Android phone with a full keyboard, a VERY FAST CPU, a high-res display, 512 MB RAM and some really good GPU, we'd be running Quake 3 and going to WLAN parties by now

Back to evaluating the game.

Pretty choppy on my phone. Not surprised, though.

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Pretty choppy on my phone. Not surprised, though.
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what ROM are you on? and what phone? i'm on the HTC dream xROM 1.5r4 with about 40 apps (apps2sd of course) and my sdcard specs are in my sig. things runs smooth as hell with NO sound. WITH sound it runs a bit choppy.

G1 with the latest CM rom. I'll try it with no sound and see if that helps.
Thanks.

How do you enable sound
How do you huys enable sound. I saw there was a setting toggle while you are in game and use the menu of the application - toggle sound and toggle onscreen controls and I toggle the sound but nothing happens. Do you have to restart the game to get sound to work? A pretty damn good port btw - I regret saying bad things about the dev...

I am trying to run this, keeps F/C on start though. It ran after I first installed it but seems to hate me now.

tekkitan said:
I am trying to run this, keeps F/C on start though. It ran after I first installed it but seems to hate me now.
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Yep, same here. It worked once and that was about it.

you guys wouldn't happen to be running CM would you?

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I am trying to run this, keeps F/C on start though. It ran after I first installed it but seems to hate me now.
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ran once and now f/c
and yes using cm....isnt everyone?

PSP_Hacker said:
Unreal Tournament being ported to Linux is almost impossible because it uses the Unreal Game Engine, which is created by Epic Games and is NOT open source...
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UT is probably not the best example for a difficult linux port. "Porting" Unreal Tournament to Linux consists of installing it with the Linux installer provided by Epic themselves.

mackz said:
ran once and now f/c
and yes using cm....isnt everyone?
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Well, I was 'till recently.
Seems only to be F/Cing for CM Donut users. I've been using XRom for a while, works perfectly (excellent port, no lag with sound disabled)

Tried and True Emulator Apps (NES, GBA, ETC.)

Hello All,
I was hoping if anyone can post their experiences using thier emulator apps.
Been using 'Gameboid' for a few days now. Im pretty impressed it runs the games it does. Sound syncing is not 100 percent but doable or you can even turn off your sound. I can confirm Advance Wars works VERY well and is a must have if you use the program. I am overall satisfied with it and hopefully will continue to see more compatibility with more updates.
**PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY GAME DOWNLOAD SITES AS THIS THREAD MAY BE SUBJECT TO CLOSE IF YOU DO SO... Thank you.

I use Snesoid religiously. Love it.

i use gameboid and snes emulator regulary buyed.
snes go well, you can play but without sound because it eat more resources.
gameboid go, but it's a little bit slow, and it's a problem when you play games like micro machines, mario etc because you have to take an immediately responce, and you don't have it
i use a dream with cyanogen mod 4.2.5

What Gba games would you guys recc?

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What Gba games would you guys recc?
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Advanced Wars I+II
Fire Emblem
Rebelstar
Tactics Ogre
Lost Vikings I+II
I turn off the sound since it is a bit laggy/buggy on my device. Overall I can recommend all of yonghzh emulators. I really like em...

i'm looking for a emu that runs classic-gameboy games like super mario land or solar striker
any recommendations?

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Silent Scope, Legend Of Zelda: The Minish Cap, Mario Kart, Alien Hominid, Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Metroid Fusion, Metroid: Zero Mission, Castlevania: ANY AND ALL OF THEM, Klonoa: Empire of Dreams, Klonoa 2: Dream Champ Tournament, Megaman Zero, Megaman Zero 2, Mega Man Zero 3, Mega Man Zero 4, Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2, Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3, Wario Land 4, Gradius Galaxies, Jet Grind Radio, DK: King of Swing, Mega Man Battle Network 2, Mega Man Battle Network
And many others...

Just got Snesoid yesterday and have used it for Link. Ill post my thoughts on it once I use it for a few days.
Theres a Genesis emulator out there too but I havent used it yet..
Hoping theres a few more people out there that can offer us more reviews on these apps.
There will NEVER be a game that will be an Android game as elaborate as a SNES, GBA and or NES one.. never.......

legend221 said:
Just got Snesoid yesterday and have used it for Hoping theres a few more people out there that can offer us more reviews on these apps.
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nes, genesis, snes, and gameboid emulators all work great, i've played quite a few games on all of them. scummvm is another great emulator (of sorts) and i've been playing return to zork, discworld series, 7th guest and beneath a steel sky with them.
still excited about gaming on this platform and it will only become better in the future.

If you like point & click games and missed out on many oldschool classic (or, wth, even want to play them again) i would recomend scumm. It works great on android device, especially if you have a trackball (kinda slugish it is, but for precise aming - priceless)
I've read about Android Arcade Emulator (capcom, neo-geo arcade games) but I'm not using it (those games where made for playing with mates - kinda hard on small device ), apparently it runs the more famous games without lag.

I also use gameboid. works great.
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legend of zelda: the minish cap
warioware inc (but only if you have the physical keyboard)
castelvania: aria of sorrow
harvest moon

Currently playing Castlevania:Harmony of Dissonance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wzaTshtpo
No, Im not the one that created these videos, lol

I just got gameboid, got the bios and everything, but when I go to play any game, it takes a second then force quits.
Im running Cyanogenmod 4.2.7.1,, or whichever is the newest one. Any help?

kingmike26 said:
I just got gameboid, got the bios and everything, but when I go to play any game, it takes a second then force quits.
Im running Cyanogenmod 4.2.7.1,, or whichever is the newest one. Any help?
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It depends on which game it is, its not 100 percent compatible yet. Also make sure the bios file is not compressed by any programs (ex. winrar, winzip and or power archiver)
Ive downloaded some games that force closes it as well. What I did was simply delete the game and threw another one into the SD card.
Report back and let me know your results and we can both figure out another solution if you cant play another game..

The best emulator out right now is ggNES. It runs NES games at full speed with sound on. No slow down, no errors, just perfect.
I like the xxxoid emulators, but the app author isn't making them run more efficiently, he's adding other stuff. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's even updating, but full speed emulation can be done, and ggNES had a free version to boot.

ggNES is a definite download and is running great on my G1.
Time to play Bionic Commando and kill me some Hitler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG3s1ZrQSVw

Issue is, While RPGs and Tactic based games. (Yes I love advance wars) Are great on the emulators. Games like Star Sigma etc are harder.. even mario is hard. Seems action games are just harder to manage that fast paced stuff on the emulators. Anyone else notice that?
Or have they got better? Curious about the snes one tho if that runs smooth.
Edit: Just read others.. I agree I use gbaroid and nesroid and while the dev makes updates.. the speed seems to be the complaint.. but I really dont wanna buy ggnes just for speed after I paid for one.. heh..

Mysticales said:
Issue is, While RPGs and Tactic based games. (Yes I love advance wars) Are great on the emulators. Games like Star Sigma etc are harder.. even mario is hard. Seems action games are just harder to manage that fast paced stuff on the emulators. Anyone else notice that?
Or have they got better? Curious about the snes one tho if that runs smooth.
Edit: Just read others.. I agree I use gbaroid and nesroid and while the dev makes updates.. the speed seems to be the complaint.. but I really dont wanna buy ggnes just for speed after I paid for one.. heh..
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ggNES is currently the best at playing Nes roms. Try the ggNES lite and see how it works out for you, if you like it why not buy it?
Snesoid runs good at least on my phone. Its also dependent on how many apps are using up your memory. Get Advanced Task Manager to fix that problem prior to using any emulator.

Ok Ill give it a shot. I use Taskiller pro personally. Works well I think. Unless you know something works better? Advanced Task Manager I have as well.
Maybe its decent enough to play River City Ransom. =)

Mysticales said:
Ok Ill give it a shot. I use Taskiller pro personally. Works well I think. Unless you know something works better? Advanced Task Manager I have as well.
Maybe its decent enough to play River City Ransom. =)
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There are alot of programs similar to Advanced Task Manager, yours is one of them. As long as they close unused programs it should be fine.
Hopefully you see improvement running River City with the Emulator change. Let us know how it went..

[GAME] Zenonia v.1.1.0 - Keyboard support, multitouch, and speed options added

NOW AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET!!!!!
Now a FREE version to try out in the Market as well.
THE RETURN OF CLASSIC ACTION RPG, NOW ON THE ANDROID!!
AWARDS:
Best Adventure/RPG Game from The Pocket Gamer Awards 2010: iPhone
Best Game of 2009 by Apple's Rewind 2009
Best RPG Game of 2009 by IGN
Best Role Playing iPod Touch and iPhone Game of 2009 by Touch Arcade
Top 10 iPhone Games of 2009 by AppGamer
Best RPG 2009 by TouchGen
Editor's Choice Award by IGN
I started playing it today and it is f***ing awesome so far.
Wondering if anyone has played or tried the game as well?
It comes highly recommended

Couldnt find it on the market. But its a great game, more then willing to pay for it. If only i could....

If you see paid other apps in Market and you can't find this game, it's probably because you're running Android 1.5 and you need Android 1.6+.

im running 1.6 and i get 0 search results for zenonia in the market app, and yes i have other paid apps, on the other hand i installed it from the blapk market and it works just fine....

After a few minutes playing it, the game doesn't seem to be that great tbh. No keyboard controls, which is a huge downside for me. Plus, you already have tons of emulators on Android, what makes this better than full roms?

area5x1 said:
After a few minutes playing it, the game doesn't seem to be that great tbh. No keyboard controls, which is a huge downside for me. Plus, you already have tons of emulators on Android, what makes this better than full roms?
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Give it a few more minutes itll grow on you.
The developers want to mainstream the game, not just cater to us. Most newer android phones are all touch screen remember.
This game is brand new, its not from yesteryear like the games the emulators run.
The storyline, gameplay and controls are excellent and as the reviewers have mentioned they have already been more than satisfied with the game.

Is it only me or the game is still not up on the US market? I'm using Market Enabler to access the US T-mobile Market. Can someone help me with this?

Ended up finding a dl for it, but i cant install because im running out of space? it doesnt look like im running out of space anywhere though when i check my phone's internal storage. (SD card has 7 gb free..)

rs19078 said:
Ended up finding a dl for it, but i cant install because im running out of space? it doesnt look like im running out of space anywhere though when i check my phone's internal storage. (SD card has 7 gb free..)
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But can you find it from the Market?

found it by googling running the latest cyanogenmod on my g1. Has someone else gotten it to work from downloading elsewhere?
--It is not in my normal market app

i'm running super d and it's not coming up in the market

lanzemurdok said:
i'm running super d and it's not coming up in the market
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Phew.... for a moment, I thought I was the only one.

Got it working...turns out i actually didnt have enough space -_-...i thought 36 mb would be enough for a 9mb .apk....just deleted some useless apps and now it works great. still dont know why it doesnt show up in market though

SEE THE GAME TRAILER HERE ---->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrsYbeVV0wM

Gamevil has noted (check their twitter) the problem and promises to find a workaround for it or to post it at Handango or something. For those who are support the devs, we just need a bit more patience

I'm running the latest version of CyanogenMod with an ext 2 partition on my sd card and I had no trouble installing it.
Not that far into it, but I suspect it may make a lot of bus journeys go quicker.
I think this is the 2nd best game on the G1 for people who thought Final Fantasy 6 (3 in the US) was the best of the series.

Best rpg on android! It run well on my g1

A very good RPG for the android.
I just wish the movement controls on my Droid were not so sensitive.

Gamevil has solved the problem It is now on the market. Go support Android devs people!

erlern said:
Gamevil has solved the problem It is now on the market. Go support Android devs people!
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Confirmed! Currently available on the market and YES I agree lets support the devs..

Assassins Creed Xbox live game on WP7 is AMAZING

Guyz... if you have not tried this game, you should. I highly recommend this. After playing this game on my HD7, it made me realize how amazing this WP7 OS is.
It actually gave me jitters. The Soft D-Pad and action controls that comes up on the screen are so sensitive and intuitive, you would not even feel the lack of hardware controls.
And the Graphics rendering with 3D is just MIND BLOWING.
Folks who do not own a WP7 device don't even have a clue what they are missing.
MS took their OS to the NEXT LEVEL. I'm a very happy camper.

yeah me too.. considering hd7 doesnt have dedicated gpu right? but the game graphics is quite good.

1000% agree with you on this one this game is simply WOW .

only issue, it bloody takes ages downloading this game, with many others...

rafter_01 said:
only issue, it bloody takes ages downloading this game, with many others...
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Cut'em some skack. You are actually downloading an Xbox game on your phone. Its not like an App or something.
Try with the WiFi or from PC.

How bout a video?

^ Exactly. Big AC fan over here but as I remember the game was also released in 2008 on iPhone and it wasn't that mindblowing. Maybe this is a completely new version

yly3 said:
^ Exactly. Big AC fan over here but as I remember the game was also released in 2008 on iPhone and it wasn't that mindblowing. Maybe this is a completely new version
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No, you are right, this is the rather old AC game from long ago, just for Windows Phone is all. Nothing very impressive here. Its just nice to have it on a different platform.

You mean they didn't build Kinect into this thing?? Maybe that's coming in the refresh !

prjkthack said:
No, you are right, this is the rather old AC game from long ago, just for Windows Phone is all. Nothing very impressive here. Its just nice to have it on a different platform.
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I'm sure the 'liking' part is subjective. Though I cannot comment on the game on the iPhone, since I never had the device, I was very impressed with the game on my HD7. I did play the game on Xbox and it had all the aspects of the game on the console.

Sorry for the language but at least we've got the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMZ44xE66yc

Hmm it does seem it would be much more enjoyable on the HD7's rather large screen.

Its kind a port over from the iphone... i had it on my ipod touch so its kinda similliar..
but still a good game although I thought the apple one was slightly better than this one.
But then kudos for MS they are getting there atlast

Wow. What an experience. I just DL Assasins Creed, and I was blown away. This is not your normal smartphone, this device hands down is next generation. Be patient people- you are holding a Gem.

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yeah me too.. considering hd7 doesnt have dedicated gpu right? but the game graphics is quite good.
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Well it has the Adreno 200 GPU, since that is a part of the snapdragon QSD8250

chaoscentral said:
Well it has the Adreno 200 GPU, since that is a part of the snapdragon QSD8250
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oh didn't know that. thanks for the info mate. so about this snapdragon chip, is this different from the one they used on HD2?

No. It's not different from the chip that is used in HD2

I love how you guys are flipping out over a game from 2008 with Nintendo DS graphics. Shows how out of touch some of you are with how mobile gaming has evolved over the last few years.
You guys should check out Rage HD on the iPhone or Epic Citadel. Prepare to be amazed.

I hope you're not implying that games of that quality won't come to WP7 soon. That's pretty idiotic, given how developers already do love XNA and Microsoft's development environment in general. It's been two weeks since the US launch. Give it some time. 3000~ apps in the Marketplace, obviously some crap (Just like in EVERY other marketplace) but browse around and there are some true gems. Trust this, mad games are coming.

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I hope you're not implying that games of that quality won't come to WP7 soon. That's pretty idiotic, given how developers already do love XNA and Microsoft's development environment in general. It's been two weeks since the US launch. Give it some time. 3000~ apps in the Marketplace, obviously some crap (Just like in EVERY other marketplace) but browse around and there are some true gems. Trust this, mad games are coming.
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Not at all. I'm sure there's awesome games coming to WP7, especially once we get past the first stage hardware and we get better GPUs on our phones.
I was just saying there are already mobile games that are light years ahead of Assassin's Creed.

Xbox Live games - Everyone's first impressions?

So I'm sure almost all of you were dying to try out some of these Xbox Live games MS has been boasting about for months. And now that we have them a seclection of launch titles at our fingertips I'm curious what everyone besides me thinks of them so far?
I personally downloaded each one as a trial first to get a sense of how the presentation of these games were, how responsive and intuitive the controls were and if they were really worth the $5-7 price tag.
In the end I removed a few and kept a handful which I felt were my best choices overall.
I selected my top choices as:
- de Blob Revolution
- Flight Control
- Max & The Magic Marker
- MONOPOLY
- Need for Speed Underground
- Rocket Riot
- The Harvest
- Twin Blades
- Unite (best free game)
Now I will say some of the games appear to be just ports from other phones, some appear to have slightly improved graphics while some seem the same as their HD2 version (Monopoly & Sims 3). I found the best looking games in the marketplace to be de Blob Revolution, Max & The Magic Marker and Rocket Riot. Twin Blades is great too but looks a little dull almost as if it's not meant to be played at 480x800.
What do you all think so far? Do you think the early batch of released games is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the quality of games we'll be seeing or do you all think we're seeing the full potential of what it's capable of?
I am in no ways a fan on the iPhone but will say that in comparison of quality of games on the iOS they have some pretty ridiculous games. If anyone has seen the build quality of Rage HD on iPhone it makes me cross my fingers that WP7 is capable of the same if not better.
However I've seen screen shots and footage of the upcoming game Ilomilo and it looks like it should show some better potential for much better looking games.

I wish they would make monopoly free.
However, with Xbox Live coming to our smartphones now, the possibilities are endless, especially with WP7. So I think games like Assassins Creed and Need for Speed make other platforms look so outdated.
In recent news, I heard Google Android is getting a bit intimidated by the WP7 update coming in January.
WP7 FOR LYFE!!!!!
WE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Multiplayer support, MS needs it now. I am not asking for anything real time but games like UNO or Monopoly should at least have turn by turn multiplayer. I feel that a platform based on XBOX Live should at the minimum have turn by turn.

I agree with you both. Other OS's are looking outdated (except for the iOS).. However I'm hoping that WP7 will be able to compete soon with the visual quality of iOS games. I don't know if it's hardware limitations that's holding WP7 back on this one but they need to step it up to truly compete.
And yes MS does need to impliment true XBOX Live multiplayer into their games ASAP. I recalled the iOS having some games that you could actually play multiplayer via bluetooth I believe. I mean if you can do it on the PSP you should be able to do it here. Local multiplayer via wi-fi, turn based on the same device is mandatory, and even some other kind of true Xbox Live experience is a must.

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I agree with you both. Other OS's are looking outdated (except for the iOS).. However I'm hoping that WP7 will be able to compete soon with the visual quality of iOS games. I don't know if it's hardware limitations that's holding WP7 back on this one but they need to step it up to truly compete.
And yes MS does need to impliment true XBOX Live multiplayer into their games ASAP. I recalled the iOS having some games that you could actually play multiplayer via bluetooth I believe. I mean if you can do it on the PSP you should be able to do it here. Local multiplayer via wi-fi, turn based on the same device is mandatory, and even some other kind of true Xbox Live experience is a must.
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Well it is currently their claim to fame, I would at least like to see it used. As far as visual quality check out ilomilo. These phones can pump out some nice graphics but its up to us to make this platform successful enough to pull in these developers.

I believe most of these developers already recognize the ease of use as far as developing games and apps for wp7. In a recent article, developers voiced out about wp7's flexibility and how using VB has made it very easy for them to build and deploy apps.
And BTW, there are compatibility issues using VB 2010 for development. You have the option to build your own app.

I love oregon trail

we need xbox live service in malaysia...

carmeng4evr said:
I love oregon trail
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Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave

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Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave
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Maybe it's not available in your region. I'm in Canada and it's one of the 1st games that show up in the Xbox Marketplace.

Other OS look outdated? Android has the same assassins creed HD and has for months and has a beta port of rage HD up that easily rivals iOS. I have an HD7 and love the phone and cant wait for it to evolve in terms of games but if you think this is top-o-the line stuff then you're in for a pleasant suprise when they decide to catch up

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Other OS look outdated? Android has the same assassins creed HD and has for months and has a beta port of rage HD up that easily rivals iOS. I have an HD7 and love the phone and cant wait for it to evolve in terms of games but if you think this is top-o-the line stuff then you're in for a pleasant suprise when they decide to catch up
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Interesting, didn't know they had Rage HD for Android or that it was capable of a game like that..

strictly beta for the time being but I've seen it played on a captivate firsthand and its epic... In all actuality theres a few android phones that just kick the iphones hardware in the teeth. Itards just wont admit that we got something better at a lower price...

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Maybe it's not available in your region. I'm in Canada and it's one of the 1st games that show up in the Xbox Marketplace.
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Guess not
Thanks anyhow

DaveShaw said:
Do you know where it is, I can't find it in the marketplace?
Thanks
Dave
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Yeah, i am in the US.
I just type in Oregon trail and it shows up.
Isn't it true that some American Apps dont show up in other regions(kind of like how some Apps for Android only work for US support)

carmeng4evr said:
Yeah, i am in the US.
I just type in Oregon trail and it shows up.
Isn't it true that some American Apps dont show up in other regions(kind of like how some Apps for Android only work for US support)
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True it is Just like AT&T users get a free download of that great looking game Ilomilo and it only shows up in their marketplace but if others look for it there's nothing there.
I think there's a way to trick your phone and change regions to access apps from other countries by changing the country under Settings then Region and Language. But I could be wrong..

pistol44 said:
True it is Just like AT&T users get a free download of that great looking game Ilomilo and it only shows up in their marketplace but if others look for it there's nothing there.
I think there's a way to trick your phone and change regions to access apps from other countries by changing the country under Settings then Region and Language. But I could be wrong..
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I hear you on Ilomilo, I remembering emailing the devs before launch and asking them whether the app was going to be exclusive to at&t phones only or time exclusive and was told no. Then a few days later their site says its a timed exclusive. I was pretty peed off, he was nice about it and said he didn't know until last minute. Such a lovely game though.