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Flashed Desire Sense rom, now virtually no internal memory??

Hi guys
I switched from my x10 to a nexus one last week, really wanted to try out Froyo, multitouch, and all the goodies that come with that.
I flashed a desire sense rom onto my nexus a couple of days ago. I didn't bother to check what the internal memory was on first boot, and perhaps I should have, but hopefully you can help anyway.
I used titanium backup to restore all of my apps. However, I got to a certain point, and my internal memory was full. So I had to cancel the process, and then start a new batch process in titanium backup to move all the apps to the sd card. This seemed fine, I started again to restore all the previously unrestored apps. Then, sooner than before, the same thing happened again. So I cancelled the process and moved all apps to the sd card. This went on, to the point where I'm at now, that I have so little internal memory I can't install any more apps! Even though I have supposedly shifted all my apps to the sd card. I have no idea what has happened this memory, where has it gone? How do I reclaim it? What is it that is taking it up, if all my apps are on my sd card instead? :-S
Thanks for the help as always guys, any tips are much appreciated.

Download DiskUsage from the market (you may have to uninstall something first).
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

When you restore from titanium after flashing a rom just restore missing apps and data NOT all system data, just fyi
or just do basic apps you need
if you are going to run sense roms you should use amon_ra 2.0.0 to set up an ext3 partition. Some roms move the a2sd auto after you reboot right after flashing rom and some use Dark Tremor that they include in rom. Just need to be sure.
ken

Thanks for the tip about titanium, I'll remember that for the next time.
I ran DiskUsage, seems I have 96.3MB of system data... Is all of this essential, or is there any way for me to clear some of it? How did it all get there in the first place?
Thanks guys.

that seems awful high for system mem free. sure it isn't internal free memory your seeing
not familiar with diskusage, if it shows all, good
i like quick system shows all mem info. maybe just duplicates diskusage, don't know
interested to know internal free memory

According to disk usage, out of a total of 196.2MB internal memory,
79.8MB is used by apps (presumably those which must be stored locally)
96.3MB system data
and 20.2MB free space.
Does this help?

rugmankc said:
that seems awful high for system mem free. sure it isn't internal free memory your seeing
not familiar with diskusage, if it shows all, good
i like quick system shows all mem info. maybe just duplicates diskusage, don't know
interested to know internal free memory
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ask the right questions, that is not a large amount of system memory if he is using the new sense 2.0 roms
, are you using the new desireHD rom / mytouch 4g, with sense 2.0, these roms are large, leaving very little space on the device, if it is one of these you will have setup an ext partition on your sdcard,
if you have flashed the desireHD rom plug your phone into pc
from cmd type
adb shell stop
adb shell
a2sd repair
hit ctrl+c to back out
adb shell start
this should move all apps from the /data/app partition into your sd-ext partition, which has much more free space

those don't sound right, doesn't it say "internal free memory" and 20.63mb free which is the internal is very low
I go back into TB and scroll down and delete apps from previous rom and then refresh. If you did select "restore all apps and system data" may be why internal is low. Don't think you cancahnge that till next rom flash. If it is working you can nandroid for now and think about Dark Tremor.

I used "eViL-NXSense-v.1.25", this was the ROM that I flashed.
How much free memory would you expect with this? And also, how come the memory went down as I installed apps, even though I moved them to the external memory?

petecdun said:
I used "eViL-NXSense-v.1.25", this was the ROM that I flashed.
How much free memory would you expect with this? And also, how come the memory went down as I installed apps, even though I moved them to the external memory?
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right, an AOSP rom will leave you with about 70-90 MB, not exactly sure with a sense rom but i doubt there would me much left to play with as the nexus was built without sense
the reason your space still goes down is because when you install the app, it is dexopted and the code is optimized, this optimized code is specific for your phone and is stored on your data partition, so even though your moving the actual app to your sdcard, the optimized code (Dalvik cache) is still stored on your phone, as the same for any app data.
my advice, and what i always use is Apps2Ext this is using a seperate partition on your memory card dedicated to installing apps, if you have one setup already great, if not
backup everything on your SDcard and partition it with your recovery software, when asked, choose 512MB ext, 0 swap, and the rest (FAT), copy all your stuff back to your SDcard, as well as this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715940
flash that through the recovery, it will move all your apps from the data/app folder to the new partition you made on your sdcard and link data/app to that folder so any new apps you install will automatically be installed there

I have MicroMod2.10 sense which is auto a2sd, you need an ext3 partition to get more free.
I have 93mb free internal. Normal can be 75 to 120
Your system free mem sounds high
FYI: If you partition with amon or rommgr/cwmod it wipes sd card.
I just messed up my sdcard and had to reformat it, not ext partition, left it alone, thru Mini Partition Tool Wizard and sd card reader. The reader is the only thing that confirms I have ext 3. DT always shows ext2 and rommgr seems to do only ext2. Amon can do ext3, 512mb, 0 Swap
You need to get in habit of backing sdcard regularly, not necessarily all everytime, if a particular folder like videos or pics hasn't changed. They are high mem only.

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Ken

Expertise please HELP-SOLVED-

GTP1000 Rooted I'm using Install Manager, Android Assistant, Quick application Manager and Root explorer to shift all my application from the phone to the SD card unfortunately I figured out that I have only 200 MB remaining in my phone memory ! Only 4 programs installed on there as per of the previouse listed applications and the remaining on the SD card as it shows I start searching to figure out the problem using root explorer I found the root
Phone Memory/mnt/asec/secure/asec - 990 MB so I tried to move it to the SD card but once moved it will return back again to the same path!! Even if I tried to delete it will remain the same! also I found another root phone/mnt/asec -670 MB which has almost the same applications by all means using root explorer I cut& paste the first root to the SD card and reboot then only the installed programs in phone works and the other application icons disappeared I was shocked cause even trying to backup my mistake was a hectic work, by all means its again as it was and still facing the same problem any help
Solution
After fed up of finding any solution I start clear all the programs data manually at least to preserve some space and while clearing my phone explorer application data I shocked it was loaded with 1.53 GB!!!!! Don’t know where it came from!!! But finally my sole been relieved thanks for all the assistant been given by every one answered my query

Ok a few issues here....
1) You should be asking this in the Q&A forum, not the Dev forum, it has nothing to do with development
2) You don't need four third party apps to move your apps to sdcard. Apps2SD is a function of the android system. You can simply go into Settings->Manage Apps and then go into whatever app you want to move and press the button that says "Move to SD Card"
3) You really shouldn't be rooting around your phone deleting or moving stuff without a thorough understanding of Linux and Android.../mnt/asec/secure/asec is a symlink to .android_secure on your sdcard. Those files were not actually on your internal memory, just links to files on your sdcard.
4) Android will manage your internal memory as necessary...you really don't need to be worried about having only 200mb free. Once you run out it will start installing apps to your sdcard on its own.
At this point I think you're pretty fubar and will have to reinstall the apps then move them to SD if you so choose.

Dear thanks a lot for you respond also thanks to direct me to the proper channel to post my inquiry in, also thanks a lot for the advices and for the explanation but one more concern killing me, why once trying to install new application an red SD card icons appears on the tab upper left corner with memory full window listing that internal device memory is nearly full delete/uninstall some applications or data and try again! Any help

Internal Memory full
You must have a ton of data on your internal SD and that is why the icon appeared. Also, some apps cannot be moved to the external SD. I would go into your applications and see what is vital and what you can delete. Keep the internal SD as light as possible. External SD's can be expanded to 32 gbs (i have one and it works well)..so use that for all your data and for moveable apps. Remember to check which apps you can move and which must stay on the Internal SD.

[Q] n00b question: internal SD card - what's safe to delete..??

So, I had my Raider for about a month before rooting and installing the rumraider beta BUT...my internal SD is showing very little free space, and all I can think of is that I used to have a few gb of vids & pics in one of the folder hide apps, and they were stored on the internal SD. All that ever showed in any explorer app was an empty folder, even though that's supposedly where the files were hidden. Anyway, I deleted the folder manually, just to see if 3gb or so would magically free up.. but that didn't happen. There are also a bunch of no longer installed apps' data folders kicking around I'm quite sure.. so the questions are:
(a) what does the format internal SD card option do in the raider's system menu..and will it wipe out anything important to the function of my phone?
(b) is it safe and/or advisable to manually browse & delete unnecessary folders?
(c) if I've already used SD Maid and see no real noticeable difference in free space, are there any other apps which might do a better job?
..I have only a few dozen apps installed since flashing the rumraider rom, but the phones internal storage was pretty full beforehand.. I just assumed that the whole wipe process prior to (and during, if I read the progress right) the flash would clear all that data out. Its got 16gb internal storage in total.. partitioned, true.. but still.. i have almost nothing free. I find that odd.
'lil help? LOL!

bproulx said:
So, I had my Raider for about a month before rooting and installing the rumraider beta BUT...my internal SD is showing very little free space, and all I can think of is that I used to have a few gb of vids & pics in one of the folder hide apps, and they were stored on the internal SD. All that ever showed in any explorer app was an empty folder, even though that's supposedly where the files were hidden. Anyway, I deleted the folder manually, just to see if 3gb or so would magically free up.. but that didn't happen. There are also a bunch of no longer installed apps' data folders kicking around I'm quite sure.. so the questions are:
(a) what does the format internal SD card option do in the raider's system menu..and will it wipe out anything important to the function of my phone?
(b) is it safe and/or advisable to manually browse & delete unnecessary folders?
(c) if I've already used SD Maid and see no real noticeable difference in free space, are there any other apps which might do a better job?
..I have only a few dozen apps installed since flashing the rumraider rom, but the phones internal storage was pretty full beforehand.. I just assumed that the whole wipe process prior to (and during, if I read the progress right) the flash would clear all that data out. Its got 16gb internal storage in total.. partitioned, true.. but still.. i have almost nothing free. I find that odd.
'lil help? LOL!
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+1 using holiraider

your internal sd is only 9.48gb(ish). on that, you can delete anything you want. whether any apps use any of the data in there is dependent on the apps you have installed. there is nothing there that is */required/* for your rom to function correctly
after backing up all your pictures/music/titanium backup files/clockworkmod backups/etc to your computer or all on an external card, you can safely format the internal sd. the system will recreate any files/folders it needs.
personally, i would just back EVERYTHING on the internal sd up to my computer, format the internal sd from the system menu, and if anything doesnt work properly after that, you always have the files handy.

I have a 32gb sd card so i backup the internal to sdcard2 into a ".No Media" folder. I hate duplicating images.. But this way i always have a back up with me since i like to flash roms while im at work (to impatient to wait till im home).

[Q] how get back SD card (default internal) faria's rom

using [ROMS][JZ054K.I8190.XXAMA1][4.1.2-Jelly-bean] [26.01.2013] V5.1
(and on leatherfaces rom v2 too btw)
i have my external memory card seen by the phone as the internal sdcard.
also, in root folder, there is /sdcard, not sdcard0. i do not remember if this is the same as default, or that also in root it should be /sdcard0.
anyway,
how can i have sdcard (internal partition) function like before? because now i dont have the 4 gb.
without extsdcard, my phone uses 2 folders, and sees them as 4,5gb MAX.
FROM ROOT: according to diskinfo and link2sd (inactive, just for info). My folder setup is like this:
it sais internal sd is fused (sd:fuse). i dont know f that cuold be the culprit/cause?
1: /mnt/asac/
2: /data/app/
My folder setup is like this, since leatherface rom v2.
Since then i flashed it again, and also now fahrias rom. i have done many wipes before, inbetween and after flashing.
Still missing sdcard.
It sais internal sd is fused (sd:fuse). i dont know f that cuold be the culprit/cause?
Also, when i install apps, they get installed to 1, or 2. /Data/app/ (2) is seen as sd, but houses most user installed apps.
So my external sd is not used for installing.
Since i only have 4,5 gb according to the phone, it is full faster then the original 4 gb.
Also /cache is stuck at 14MB. changing (slightly!) how it gets used, and using lots off apps doenst change a thing in its use /mb.
besides that i have:
/obb 401 empty mb
/asec/ 402 empty (but apps are installed on it, using theire own partition! for instance, google partition of 30mb, titanium backup pro MB, and so on for every app.
And some more empty partitions of 401 or 402 mb.
finally: data, is used and is 4,5 mb.
so i dont know, either internal (meaning the original default internal) partition, is hidden and not used. and thats why i see 4,5 gb internal.
it is actually sdcard0 originally?
i read allot on this forum, for weeks on end now. i flashed many roms, had more problems then 1 and got them solved by searching on this forum.
i found some articles about this problem, but it doesnt solve my question of how i should see this.

and btw thanks to all posters
thanks to al, i have used this forum allot! and i'd like to contribute where i can from now on. my experience is limited, but ive survived plenty of hard errors, to be of some use maybe.
question above remains though,
how can i get it back (internal sd, showing full 2x 4gb, and as 3rd, external).
so i now have: internal 4,5gb
external (my external sd card) 16gb.
i really would like to know how to get back, showing all 3 like default.
any info needed please ask, i dont know what to say more without someone telling me!?
additional:
after further reading, i learned that the "fuse" means that internal en sdcard0 are fused as 1, combined as max memory.
so that would be ok, but the problem is that it should be more then 4,5gb? normally 2x4gb!?
offcourse internal (default stock version), is filled and used up t a degree. even with 3,5 gb used as internal and hidden.
questions left:
-i still have 3 partitions of 400 mb not used. this cuold be normal?for instance: partition /obb 402mb free 0 used.
- my external card is not working as externalsd. cant install on it. not even after selecting it as default install partition.
- i have seen threads about how to use external sd. but it involves steps seemingly already done in fahria's rom (which is installed on my phone).
i can do those steps, but i dont want to do anything wrong , and i dont kow where to begin.
so goal now = hwo to use real external sd card as normal install folder?
best, to be able to use both as install folder.
when i try that now i get the messages: theres no room or acces denied
update:
i already tried clearing dalvik cache, wiping offline (with odin), and in boot recovery, many times.
the phone works, but i can only install on internal, fused memory. which is only 4,5 gb total.
questions remain:
1: is 4,5Gb combined max/ free space normal for faria rom v5.1 flashed? i thought i had more on default phone.
2: /obb and 3 othr 402 mbyte partitions are completely empty and are totally unused. not even emty files or directories!
can i somehow reclaim that space as nomal memory?
3: can i unfuse sdcard? i see an option in user.init (i dont change anything without having read and understanding wwhat it does).
now: fuse sdcard = true.
*i cant ask this in the thread of this rom, i am too new as forum member;
so thats why i post it here.

Strange storage free space issues

I'm very confused about the storage on my Moto G 2nd Gen 2014, running stock KitKat.
If I look at System Settings - Storage, for the Internal Storage it shows Total 5.51GB, Available 1.08GB, Apps 6.06GB (what!), Pictures 7.09MB, Audio 220KB, Downloads 24.49MB, Cached data 389MB, Misc 316MB.
Link2SD - Storage Info shows the same 5.51GB Total, 1.08GB Available for Internal /data and SD Card /storage/emulated/legacy.
When I look with ES File Explorer, it shows 5.51GB Total and 4.43GB Used for my internal SD (/storage/sdcard0 or storage/emulated/0). However, checking the properties of the folders, they don't add up to anything like that and if I run SD Card Analyst with Root Explorer and Show Hidden Files enabled and tap Directory Analyse it finds a total of 735.78MB, with Apps being only 42.30MB, Others 460.79MB, Audio 194.90MB, Picture 15.19MB, Document 17.79MB and Video 4.82MB. In the folder view sorted by size it shows Android 402.12MB, Recordings 109.34MB, voix 82.82MB, TunnyBrowser 50.58MB, com.alk.copilot.mapviewer 27.20MB, Download 24.41MB, six more folders under 10MB and 40 more under 1MB, with about half of those showing 0.00B.
So can anyone explain what's going on here, as I'm completely baffled?

Just bumping in the hope someone will see this who can help me.

Depending on how an app works when it stores it's data on the microSD it can still show in the Settings>Storage as on the internal memory (WoT Blitz did this when I had that installed) so that can make your apps look like you have 6.6GB on the internal memory, also in a file explorer the directory in which Android, DCIM, Music, Ringtones ect. is not the 'top most' directory, in ES File Explorer you can hit the '/' (also called Device) in the top bar and there are a load more files there. If you do a 'Select all'>Properties does that come close to the 4.4GB space used?

jay2the1 said:
Depending on how an app works when it stores it's data on the microSD it can still show in the Settings>Storage as on the internal memory (WoT Blitz did this when I had that installed) so that can make your apps look like you have 6.6GB on the internal memory, also in a file explorer the directory in which Android, DCIM, Music, Ringtones ect. is not the 'top most' directory, in ES File Explorer you can hit the '/' (also called Device) in the top bar and there are a load more files there. If you do a 'Select all'>Properties does that come close to the 4.4GB space used?
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Hmm, I am using Obb2SD to move all my game data from Android/Obb to the external SD card, so maybe that's confusing it but that seems like it could be a problem as if it think the internal storage is full even when there's really plenty of space free, I imagine it will start throwing up errors and won't allow me to store anything else on it, which rather defeats the point of moving the games in the first place.
If I do select all->properties from / that includes my external SD as well and totals 46.42GB. Even if I unselect /mnt and /storage it still comes to 8.03GB which can't be just the internal storage as that's only 8GB in total and I supposedly have 1.43GB free on that. Just /data is 6.21GB.

You do know that your internal storage is a combination of your phone storage and internal storage right?
In case you didn't know just open root explorer and go to data folder (long press and select properties) and calculate how much storage it use...then do the same things with systems folder...then combined data storage + system storage + internal storage used and you will get almost the same amount like in settings/storages show you...
Sent Using My Xiaomi Redmi Note 4G

When I say Internal storage I simply mean that which is not the external SD card. I don't know what the difference between phone storage and internal storage is though, as far as I'm aware there's just 8GB internal storage.
Checking the properties for /data shows it as 6.21GB (6.31GB Used), so I suppose with 1.08GB available that totals 7.39GB which could be close enough to 8GB to be correct. /system is 1.17GB. Still doesn't make any sense that Settings - Storage and Link2SD shows Total 5.51GB, 1.01GB Available but Apps as 6.06GB. Nor does it make any sense that the Homepage in ES File Explorer shows 4.28GB used on 0 but tapping that, which takes me to emulated/0 and selecting everything, Properties only shows 700MB used.
Doing directory analyse on /data shows the majority in Others 3.70GB, then Apps 1.95GB. It's a pain there's no way to see how much storage is used by each folder without checking Properties for each one individually but if I untick all the folders starting with a then the total is 4.06GB (4.15GB used), so there's about 2.15GB in those folders. Unticking all the folders starting with b through d drops it down to 2.07GB (2.12GB Used) so they account for another 2GB. Digging deeper I can see that /data/app uses 1.73GB, /data/app-lib uses 432.15MB, /data/data uses 1.25GB, data/dalvik-cache uses 717.77MB, /data/media/ uses 554.41MB, /data/sdext2 uses 272.20MB, /data/user uses 1.25GB and everything else is inconsequential. Adding those up comes to roughly 6.2GB, which exceeds the Total 5.51GB that Settings - Storage shows, even without adding the 1.17GB from /system.
None of this helps me understand what in those folders is using up all the space though, so does anyone know of an app that will show the space used by folder, like Treesize for Windows?

Can no-one help me make sense of this? The weirdest thing is that 0 (Internal storage) in ES File Explorer's Home screen shows 4.28GB but opening that folder and selecting all the folders gives a total of only 700MB, which doesn't make any sense.
I see that Titanium Backup can produce a list of apps sorted by space used, so I'll try adding those up manually and see what they total. I have linked a few large apps to the external SD with Link2SD though, so they shouldn't be using any internal storage and I'll have to subtract their amounts from the total.

Well I decided to wipe data and dalvik-cache (i.e. factory reset) from TWRP and start again, to try and get to the bottom of this.
TWRP showed about 370MB out of 5.51GB used after wiping. After booting, this was about 560MB (I guess due to the dalvik cache repopulating, currently 258.98MB) and by the time Google Play had finished updating the pre-installed apps, this had risen to 1.27GB.
The majority of this, 1.17GB, is in /Data. Settings - Storage shows 4.24GB out of 5.51GB available. ES File Explorer is a bit stupid, as it shows the same in the Homepage the same for 0 (i.e. 1.27GB used out of 5.51GB) but tapping that links to emulated/0 (which is just an alternative path to /storage/sdcard0), which only has a total of 4.32MB in it. What the Homepage shows is actually the used space from root (i.e. /) so it should show and link to that, not /storage/ emulated/0.
Another anomaly is that /data/data and /data/user are alternative paths to the same place, containing 230.99MB, which results in it getting counted twice, so really there's only a total of 965.51MB of files in /data, not 1.17GB. Obviously as /data/data grows, that's going to result in even more space being doubly allocated and thus unavailable, i.e. if I have 1GB in /data/data, it's going to reduce my free space by 2GB.
I also notice that /data/app contains all the apks for the apps that are installed. I thought apks were just install packages, like Windows msi or exe installs and that when installed they unpacked to somewhere, so isn't it just wasting space keeping all of the apks here? It's only 357.19MB at the moment but when I checked it before I factory reset it was 1+, maybe 2+ GB, so that's obviously a lot of space to waste out of 5.51GB.
Hopefully someone can help me clear up these questions, as I don't want to start reinstalling all my apps yet if I might need to wipe it all again to reset it. I've backed up everything with Titanium but it's still quite a hassle, as there doesn't seem to be a way to make a list of installed (as opposed to backed up but not installed, or frozen) apps before wiping and then restore just those afterwards, so I'll have to go through the list and try and remember what I didn't have installed before and de-select those.