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I have almost hit the purchase button on the note but considering value of atrix 2, which only has slight less performance combined with quad core 10" Transformer which will probably get ICS before note.
Anyone else thought in these terms and still purchased note? Any realistic justifications or "just bought what you wanted"?
Same price.
Two different items my friend, go with what suits YOUR needs
I think when we consider these devices needs have little to do with it. I am doing just fine with a transformer and a symbian phone. I just WANT an android phone because I do use the tablet every single day and it is so awesome. So the choice, for me, is a lesser android phone and the new quad core (giving my existing transformer to a family member) or the Note. I am certain that ICS will come to the Asus device way before it does to the phones and I am keen on getting ICS. Don't think it will at all to the Atrix 2 or this would be an easy decision for me. Other choice for me is the HTC Vivid which will probably get ICS by end of March; that would be more expensive to get than the Atrix 2.
Personally, get the note. My gtab10 hasn't been turned on in weeks and I used to use it every day for work/play. The note (for me) totally fills the tablet role while still being a phone AND has the advantage of always being with me.
Now I just need someone to make a back cover with credit card slots and I can ditch my wallet!
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O and as much as I love the vivid they still didnt have root access as of a week or two ago, stay sway.
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if youre going to get a phone and a tablet anyway... why dont you just wait for the asus padfone? its a quad core tegra3 phone that docks into a tablet. best of both worlds.
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if youre going to get a phone and a tablet anyway... why dont you just wait for the asus padfone? its a quad core tegra3 phone that docks into a tablet. best of both worlds.
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A great idea and one I have considered. Especially since Asus has been FANTASTIC about releasing updates on the transformer.
But I am afraid if I did that, then when it started shipping I would want to wait on the newly announced 8 core device, and when that starts shipping I may want to wait on the newly announced 16 core device and...
I'm not up to date on the Asus specs, but here's a perspective you may want to consider:
Fuhgedda about all dem fancy specs...
What do I mean? Well, super quadcore specs only really count in one area -- games. The Note already has a good arsenal of games, and with OnLive maturing, it won't really matter too much anyway. In other words, for gaming, besides display size, Note == Asus.
For everything else, including e-books, web surfing, remote PC, music/video... these are easily handled by anything dual core+ and above. Again, Note == Asus.
So the real question is not hardware specs, but usability. Do you prefer a bigger platform that a large tablet offers, but that you can't bring with you everywhere? Yes?... then Asus. You will still need a separate smartphone for everyday and everywhere use, however.
Or do you prefer a device that gives you just about everything you need in your pocket (including a portable pocket gaming console)... If so, then the Galaxy Note is your answer...
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A great idea and one I have considered. Especially since Asus has been FANTASTIC about releasing updates on the transformer.
But I am afraid if I did that, then when it started shipping I would want to wait on the newly announced 8 core device, and when that starts shipping I may want to wait on the newly announced 16 core device and...
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8 cores are barely viable on PC, so you wont see them on phones anytime soon. unless they start playing it smart and taking advantage of CUDA instead of the cpu, then they could save power and still have kick ass performance.
as an example, my cpu has 8 hyperthreaded cores overclocked to 5ghz and draws 200w of power. my old geforce gtx560 ti soc has 384 cuda cores running at 2ghz and also draws 200w of power. take a guess which one can handle calculations faster?
if they start working on improving the way the GPU is used on phones, we can have faster phones that use less power.
but since the asus padfone is supposed to launch q1 2012, its not that long of a wait for a kick ass setup.
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So the real question is not hardware specs, but usability. Do you prefer a bigger platform that a large tablet offers, but that you can't bring with you everywhere? Yes?... then Asus. You will still need a separate smartphone for everyday and everywhere use, however.
Or do you prefer a device that gives you just about everything you need in your pocket (including a portable pocket gaming console)... If so, then the Galaxy Note is your answer...
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the asus padfone is a quad core phone that docks into a tablet. ie. you have the portability of a phone whenever you need it, and you can dock it into a tablet whenever you want to.
not too sure about you, but tablets are pretty portable. you can just carry them around in your messenger bag since some tablets only weigh like 700g.
OK... Quick question. Why does ANYONE need 4 cores on a PHONE???? What would you be doing to require 4 cores? Really!!! Angry birds? The top games? Some picture editing (which is still fine, and in reality, all you'd need is more RAM rather than more speed)?
4 Cores seems like over kill right now and for the next 2-3 years. I don't see a use for it. I use my phone for:
calls, casual gaming, browsing the web, watching videos, listening to music. I also had the blackberry 9900 which was a 1.2ghz single core, and I didn't get any hiccups on that device. Now we have 2 1.4 ghz processors.
ICS will come to both devices. pick the device you MOST like. Don't get hung up on processors on mobile devices that are originally intended to make calls and write messages. Sure, it's important, but I wouldn't want mediocre battery life and 4 cores that I wouldn't even use. That's just me.
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OK... Quick question. Why does ANYONE need 4 cores on a PHONE???? What would you be doing to require 4 cores? Really!!! Angry birds? The top games? Some picture editing (which is still fine, and in reality, all you'd need is more RAM rather than more speed)?
4 Cores seems like over kill right now and for the next 2-3 years. I don't see a use for it. I use my phone for:
calls, casual gaming, browsing the web, watching videos, listening to music. I also had the blackberry 9900 which was a 1.2ghz single core, and I didn't get any hiccups on that device. Now we have 2 1.4 ghz processors.
ICS will come to both devices. pick the device you MOST like. Don't get hung up on processors on mobile devices that are originally intended to make calls and write messages. Sure, it's important, but I wouldn't want mediocre battery life and 4 cores that I wouldn't even use. That's just me.
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Good points.
However, I do believe that the quad cores, per everything I have read, get BETTER battery life due to increased efficiency. We will have to wait and see about real-world performance.
Will make decision today, either a 32GB note or an HTC vivid.
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?
I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.
Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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Looking for a fully featured 7 tablet, that I will be using for web browsing, gaming (intense ones ) and studying.
Planning on using this device for a couple of years before replacing I am assuming 3 to 4 years?
Our family currently has the Tab 2 7.0 and I reckon it's a bit sluggish, is the Nexus 7 exceptionally smooth?
Should I get it?
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
In terms of processing-power it's right up there with the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy SIII, so you're not looking at problems playing games in the near future.
Also, you got an active development community for the device, so even if Google decides to not support the tablet with new versions of Android, you can still keep up to date with what the devs are pumping out.
I've been using mine almost all the time when i'm not sitting in front of my rig, and it has never let me down.
I might say it is likely to be future proof for at least 2 years. It has the hardware, and Google is known to support their nexus line for quite a while. My guess is that it will be in the front line of the upcoming key lime pie update tier.
It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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I know that the new chips introduced at CES 2013 are a few times more powerfull than the Tegra 3. What I ment was that future apps and games will work OK for 2 years. The average life span of a phone and table is 2 years, if it's a flagship device at the time you make the purchase. And the thing is if you fear buying a new device just because it's not future proof, you'll end up never buying anything. 200 dollars isn't a lot of money for what you're getting with this tablet.
Re: How future proof is the Nexus 70
I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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The N7 is faster than a Tab, its processors clock at 1.3 GHz and in terms of build quality i'd say they are on equal levels.
I know there are a few stories out there about screen lift on early batches of the N7, but since I can only speak from personal experience, I can say that the build quality of mine is exceptional.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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You probably shouldn't try to provide an answer when you don't know what you're talking about. The nexus 7 is a 1.2ghz quad core processor, tab 2 is 1ghz dual core, not the same. As for apps Samsung forces on users, there's always plenty of alternatives on the play store.
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CrazyPeter said:
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
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I hope so. I just bought one off of Ebay and I'm waiting on delivery. I'm a little skeptical of the performance of the N7. I have a SG3 that has higher Quadrant scores, so I hope it has enough processing power to go beyond KLP.
If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
2 years for a 250$ device seems like more than enough to say that it paid for itself. Most probably the games development will skyrocket, better specs will be required, better screens, more storage space. So, as I said, for me 2 years is a good estimate.
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If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
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Greed, that's is what i bought one.
I bought my wife a TF300 several months ago, it is on par with the N7's performance but the N7 cost almost half the price.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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Um. What? It's a quad core 1.3ghz. The companion core is is 500Mhz.
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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maybe not..
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3016117/asus-maakt-tweede-nexus-7-tablet.html
or in english: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130128PD222.html
it depends on when google wil release the next nexus 7.
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I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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Wrong on so many levels. Is this why you wanted to hang out in here even though you don't have a N7?
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let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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i never mention the Galaxy Tab 2 in my post.
It's a Nexus device, so it will be supported going forward for quite a while, and since it is easy to unlock, the developer community will support it for quite a while.
It probably won't be the best gaming device in 2 years, since that pushes hardware well beyond most other tasks, but if it starts to get a bit slower, you can always push the clocks. It seems most of the N7s will push the cores to 1.4 or 1.5 without any issues, and 1.6 is doable for burst before hitting thermal limits, with some chips able to run even faster. The GPU pushes quite well too.
I'd fully suggest one as a reasonably future-proof device. Plus, they'll likely still resell for $50-$100 in 2 years, which means you're paying $50-$75/yr for a Nexus device. That's pretty good.
I am thinking of getting a HTC One. But, after seeing the spec sheet of Snapdragon, comparing the Snapsragon 600 (used in HTC One) vs the Snapdragon 800 the latter seems to be far better than the 600 series. Also, in the spec sheet the SD 600 is categorized under mid-high end phones, where the SD 800 is intended for super premium phones, tablets and smart tv's. Source: Spec sheet and Qualcomm Press Release
So, I'd like to know your opinions. Should I go for the HTC One, which seems a great phone overall, just not the best possible SOC (but great enough for a phone I reckon), or should I wait for one of the first Snapdragon 800 devices?
These days no matter which phone you buy, few months later something better will get released.
And besides that, at the moment snapdragon s4 pro is best soc available(until htc one comes out) and snapdragon 600 is suppose to be 40% better in performances, so I would definitely go for it...
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I don't think we will see the 800 on phones at least not until a new chip can beat the 600.....
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at this point i honestly feel like phones don't really have a need to get any faster for day-to-day usage. it's more about software features. 1080p is nice, but it's not a MUST HAVE over a 720p. snapdragon 800 is a great bonus if you're in the market for a smartphone when it comes out, but getting the s4 pro or the 600 will probably not give you any lag or speed problems. i mostly root and install stock android on most of my phones so the 2 things i always look for are:
1. battery life
2. design
that's it. though i wonder if i'd rather stay on htc sense if i ever get an htc phone. everyone always bashes it but i find sense to be extremely good looking (even better than stock).
S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
after the S800 the S900 then the S1000 etc... every few months there will be something newer and faster just like dual core, quad core and now the supposed 8core chips that are being developed or already developed ... as well as the SGS3 then SGS4 then SGS5 , note 3, then note 4 etc.. you get the idea if you wait for the newer thing thats "about to come out" then your gonna always end up waiting and never have anything ...
Since I get a new phone every 2 years I could wait a couple of months for better, newer hardware though. SD800 devices are said to use Quick Charge 2.0 and Voice activation, which are ONLY available only for the SD800 devices. I read somewhere that there are already 55 SD800 devices in the works (source), so waiting a couple more months for a significant performance boost, even lower battery drain, and charging the battery up to 75% faster seems logical to me. (Not to mention encode/decode of 4K HD content, 50% boost in graphics and 100% boost in performance due to Adreno 330, 50% faster LTE bandwidth and clocked to 2,3GHz) Those are a lot of high percentages! Voice activation could be interesting, but I rarely use voice so that's not a big deal for me. Maybe in the future when Google Now becomes available in the Netherlands though.
The comments are understandable that you should not wait for the next best thing as you will end up having nothing. But a few more months for such a performance and feature boost, to me, is a better insurance my phone will keep up the next 2 years (hardware wise).
But thanks again for the replies!
Well, I've had early access to one running a final build in Canada. If it's performance you're worried about; I've ran Nenamark 2 on it, and it never went below 60 FPS. The result was 60.2 average.
The only major thing that could have made me wait though is the quicker charging feature, however I mostly charge my devices at night so charging times makes little difference to me.
Don't take my word for it though, I'm biased towards the One. I've been following it since it was just a rumor and had already pre-ordered it.
Its the most poerful device rite now..what else do u want? Evn s4 wont be that big a difference..and plasticky
Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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Life is short, buy the best one that is offered in the given moment!
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LC, will we see your work on hTC One??
I'm definitely getting 600 snapdragon and past 800,1200. And getting 1600. LOL. There's always gonna be a better phone, I'm not gonna wait forever.
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i take now, is away more powerfull than my gs3 and better construction
HTC One + will be out in a couple of months after the S4 release, as HTC always does.
And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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And XDA will be there to make sure there would be no difference between the two (maybe apart from storage).
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Well, 'no difference' would be a little weird since they always upgrade something in the hardware department, otherwise it's just the same phone. I'm still hoping HTC will release a new One model, like the One+, but hopefully with the SD800 (and all the perks that go with it). That would be the perfect phone I think..
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Until a couple of months down the line when something else that makes us drool is released.
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S800 will come around Q4..And there isno end to it.I am sure when it comes out there will be talksof anoher high end soc..S900 maybe..Its only bcoz u know about it that you are waiting..you should not wait and besides s600 is blazingly fast and the fastest chip so far!
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According to some rumours there may be S800 phones out as early as July. I don't think anyone really knows.
I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
And the Results are? :::drum roll:::
Greetings, Bramgg. After Googling the SAME question... it brought me to your post and this forum. I was fascinated by some of the insightful comments you got on this post, Bramgg. i'm a AT&T customer in the US and unless i plan on losing my fishing partner (and more importantly his boat!! lol) i'm pretty locked in with my service provider! Lol.
I currently am using an HTC Vivid (pausing for those reading this to groan) and i'm primarily still using that phone because i have been dragging my feet waiting for the Snapdragon 800. i happen to REALLY like HTC even though i can't deny the sluggish performance and lag times on the Vivid have been verrrry frustrating. I guess my frustration is part of the reason i have dragged my feet in selecting a new phone but honestly, i can't take it any more!! i need a new phone.... hopefully in the next few days.
I have a real fascination with the Snapdragon 800... and am curious if you waited for it or went with the 600 as you were contemplating? Are you pleased with the speed? This is kind of embarrassing to admit on an advanced user forum but i'm not even aware if the 800 is out yet and available on HTC devices. I'm not completely locked into HTC i guess, but i do like the 'Shortcut to Four Apps' feature on the lock screen and i do think they build a high quality phone compared to many of the other companies who flood the market with phones and discontinue them three months later.
Thanks in advance for any help you or others reading this can provide... i'm very anxious to have a phone that responds more quickly.
Steven
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Shadow, I'm fascinated (and slightly jealous! lol) of your knowledge on processors. i told Bramgg (in a post below on this thread) a few details about what i'm contemplating and why. May i get your thoughts please... when time permits, of course. i suppose i could wait a week or so if something specific had already been announced but i'm not sure i can wait much longer for a new device as i'm verrrrrry frustrated with the lagging on the HTC Vivid. The Vivid has a 1.2 GHz dualcore processor with 1GB of memory... but it's not cutting it. Texts, Apps opening... all verry slow.
Thanks in advance.
Steven
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I say you wait, that's what I'm doing. Q4 we are going to see the snapdragon 800 and tegra 4, hell we might even see the Exynos 5 make its way to America maybe in the next Note (assuming it becomes LTE compatible). but these processors far out class what you would be getting in the One or S4, so what's 3 months.
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Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
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Screen Resolution will always have an impact on performance. The more pixels to display, the harder the GPU has to work. Given the note has a significantly higher resolution than the Galaxy S2 while running the same GPU (and pretty much the same hardware overall), its unlikely you'll see the same graphics performance between the two devices.
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vegetables said:
They got the same chipset, and that's exactly the problem, that's why the note is always laggy unlike the incredible smoothness on S2 , you r comparing:
- 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density) ~> S2
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- 800 x 1280 pixels, 5.3 inches (~285 ppi pixel density) ~> Note 1
How could the same chipset handle bigger screen, higher resolution and more ppi ?
And even with CM kernel, it even laggs more and more
The solution? ~> buy Note 2 xD
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If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
I was keen on getting Nexus 4 but it's not available in India. Btw, my current phone is Motorola Defy. It's terrible to say the least. All I want to know if it will function lag free in day to day performance and some gaming?
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little-vince said:
Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
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i dont really understand the " buy note 2 " thing. because it has the same gpu as the note 1.
note 1 is still a worthy device to have because at present it can run every app that is in the play store.
but soon it will not be enough.
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rashsalmn said:
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I agree with you up to a certain extent. However I wish to raise the following points-
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
I don't like the 16:10 aspect ratio
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.
Yes, there will be just one more update to 4.2.2 and then Samsung will drop support.
Out here in India, Nexus 4 isn't even available officially.
@op I wouldn't buy this phone if I were you. Get something from the newer generation or get the note2 secondhand when the note 3 comes out - doubtless there will be more than one idiot willing to throw away a perfectly good phone for the latest and greatest.
However if you want a phone that 'just works' and developer support is important then go for a Sony.
What am I getting ? The next nexus. But that's because I'm a flashaholic !
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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It will be two years this October....
warfareonly said:
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.!
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I'm not sure that's the case. The Exynos 4 is still in current hardware, such as the S3, Note 2 and Note 8. The Exynos 5 is in the Nexus 10 and is expected to show up in the S4 at some point. All of these devices have a huge amount of aftermarket dev support.
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Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
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Again, we need to compare on price, not hardware specs. I don't know how much the Note sells for in India, but compare that with what's available in the same price bracket. The Note cannot now compete with the latest and greatest, nor the previous top models perhaps, but I'm sure it would fair very well indeed against the current mid-range crop.
As for the Dual / Quad core arguement, check what Anand says when he reviews the Note 8 and talks about Multiview:
Here’s where having four cores actually can make a difference.
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Meaning that in general 4 cores are not really any more useful than 2 unless you have something that specifically can benefit.
wait for note 3
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RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
rxpaul said:
While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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I M Talking about NOTE II Not Craps with Mediatek Chipsets
IMHO if u dont' already own a Note 1, u should go for the Note 2, or wait for Note 3 =)
♡ for my note. Its my personal computing device and my diary and album
Get any note device and you will be a happy person.
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