i think i bricked my lg thrill it is rooted it does have rom manager just not cwm recovery flashed on it no custom roms but it froze on me a few nights ago so i had to remove the battery. i was just trying to shut it down as i was about to go to bed but now when i do the stock recovery it cant open or mount recovery log and cant mount recovery command any help would be awesomely appreciated as lg does not support this phone thank you very much anyone who wishes to comment and more so anyone who can help
if you can get on the phone you could do fatory reset from there or at startup lg has a build in recovery menu i think its vol+ and power at boot but i might be rong could try google lg thrill revovery menu
yes i tried that its the android stock recovery and its the 3d button+volume down then hold power till lg comes up and release the power button and that is where i get the mount issue
o ic are u still under warrenty if so u might have to take it in if not u might try flashing a rom to it theres lots of guides on here have a look
ok thank you i will look into flashing any time saving links would be much appreciated i am sure anybody else may like it too
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edit title?
guess you can delete it not sure how to edit it or what exactly to edit it to
wayno140 said:
guess you can delete it not sure how to edit it or what exactly to edit it to
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Click edit on your post then advanced you can change it there.
To something like Bricked my Thrill
theres option 1 and 2 on here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1388939
if u wanna go to v20 gingerbread then go get it here http://csmg.lgmobile.com:9002/swdata...00/V20C_00.kdz
and if you want att get it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343915 some were on there.
your welcome
the gb link is dead
wayno140 said:
the gb link is dead
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sorry its in the rogers 2.3.5 thread couple pages in
the only way i can flash is with the lg flash tool i tried 1 click cwm and it didnt find the phone but it does have root even though i had debugging enabled it may of disabled when i tried android recovery so i need baseband and dll files wich i have but cant get the lg flash tool to get to where the port is ready so i am stuck but if i had gb baseband and dll i could try or maybe is just me doing everything wrong sorry to bother everybody and thank you for any help again i used this as a guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17177547&postcount=2
wayno140 said:
the only way i can flash is with the lg flash tool i tried 1 click cwm and it didnt find the phone but it does have root even though i had debugging enabled it may of disabled when i tried android recovery so i need baseband and dll files wich i have but cant get the lg flash tool to get to where the port is ready so i am stuck but if i had gb baseband and dll i could try or maybe is just me doing everything wrong sorry to bother everybody and thank you for any help again i used this as a guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17177547&postcount=2
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Sorry for the delay.
I managed to flash GB with the LG Flash Tool.
No root for it though.
For your case, it seems as if the computer is having trouble locating the device.
"adb devices" didn't pull up anything.
Can you flash a file with the LG Flash tool?
If so, download V10C_00.kdz and flash that.
Then root and install ClockworkMod Recovery.
I just did that.
EDIT: Acutally. Turn on Team Viewer.
My Thrill is hanging at the LG logo when I turn it on. I'm able to get into recovery mode but wiping the data doesn't help. It just hangs at the logo again once I reboot. Anyone know what I could try?
Sleeping Giant said:
My Thrill is hanging at the LG logo when I turn it on. I'm able to get into recovery mode but wiping the data doesn't help. It just hangs at the logo again once I reboot. Anyone know what I could try?
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I'll teamviewer you today.
The Dark Lestat said:
I'll teamviewer you today.
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I'd really appreciate that. What time, though? I'm at work until 8:30 PST.
Sleeping Giant said:
I'd really appreciate that. What time, though? I'm at work until 8:30 PST.
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I don't have a college class until 7PM CST on Tuesday. I can stay up a while.
Just PM me when you're ready.
The Dark Lestat said:
I don't have a college class until 7PM CST on Tuesday. I can stay up a while.
Just PM me when you're ready.
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If it won't take too long I have 30-40 mins to spare right now.
Any update on this?
Fix LG boot hangups
If you get your phone stuck in the LG boot screen, go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1491870,
Posted by The Dark Lestat, and start from step 3 LG Flash Tool. I bricked mine, but using The Dark Lestats wisdom flashed V20P_00.kdz to my phone, and viola, my Thrill is now running GB.
THANK YOU "The Dark Lestat", I am in love with My Thrill again knowing that there is a dev like you working with the Thrill.
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Hi everyone! I have a huge problem here, which I would really appreciate your help!
So I got a brand new LG Thrill 4G AT&T. I root it with one click. I Bought the code to unlock it and I was using it with T-mobile. So I had a couple of wonderful days until I start messing around with my rom. The first to say is that I install the rom manager and installed the Clockworkmod recovery to download new roms. I didn't get it at the moment, but when the app prompted me to choose the model of my phone I chose "LG 2X". My phone freeze so I restart it (worst decision ever!). So here i go, turn back on my phone, and I noticed after 5 minutes of booting, that I don't go beyond the LG Logo.
I've trying everything I found in these forums without any success. I started with a wipe factory reset, with gives an error of E:can't mount recovery log, so It doesn't work.
My recovery doesn't have the option to install from zip
I'm working on this process right now without any success yet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17177547&postcount=2
I read on one of the forums that I could use ITALY bin, which didn't work. I'm about to test "MEXICO" bin, and see how that goes.
I'm desperate and running out of faith... I Would really appreciate your help fellows!
You will need to flash back to you stock rom http://forum.xda-developers.m/showthread.php?t=1491870 try this guide or in this seaction under free assistance ask dark he wile hook you up with a fix
xstokerx said:
You will need to flash back to you stock rom http://forum.xda-developers.m/showthread.php?t=1491870 try this guide or in this seaction under free assistance ask dark he wile hook you up with a fix
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Or you could always flash a custom rom
life=42 said:
Or you could always flash a custom rom
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Ya or that lol ;-)
normally this isnt asked but how can i force a brick on this phone
Use adb or terminal emulator and delete a few partitions... that ought to do the trick.
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how bad do u wanna brick it lol like full or soft brick
full to the point i need a new one
mouse69 said:
full to the point i need a new one
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Ahhh I get it.
Posted from my ICS'd Captivate
mouse69 said:
full to the point i need a new one
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Delete everything.
Sent from my LG-P925g using xda premium
root
install rom manager free from market
start it
flash clockworkmod
it will offer to flash for Optimus 2X (wrong model)
give it the go
after a couple min., remove battery.
I was able to recover one after that, but it took a while, and some knowledge to do so
Install cm7 then format your sd card then take out your sd card then turn phone off you should get a full hardware brick if they haven't fixed it yet try one of the early nightlys I formatted my sd card on cm7 and got almost full hardware brick noway to fix this need new logic board
Recover optimus thrill after installing wrong cynogen 2x rom
dcardozo said:
root
install rom manager free from market
start it
flash clockworkmod
it will offer to flash for Optimus 2X (wrong model)
give it the go
after a couple min., remove battery.
I was able to recover one after that, but it took a while, and some knowledge to do so
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Hi can you please tell me how you recovered your optimus thrill i am jus in a very bad situation i am not able to recover mine and also cant get it repaired here in India please tell me Please
I'm going to say that this thread should stop now.
Fraud is not condoned on XDA, yo.
Yeah, yeah. It's a "cool" way to get a new phone, but why don't you just get an actual replacement the normal way.
Hi,
I did the same mistake. Now my phone is not booting. When power on, it shows LG logo and then black screen.
Can you help me with the steps you used to recover your phone?
im in the same boat...then i tried to flash the kdz file into my fone but the lg mobile support tool keeps on saying connect to the internet i click on connect and it goes back to the same thing to re connect... if some body can help me plz it would be great thanks
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looks like i got it lol
well i got it working i flashed the software... it started up then it went blank... dont no what to do
mofotrucker said:
well i got it working i flashed the software... it started up then it went blank... dont no what to do
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LG Flash Tool
got it working thanks
I bricked mine by installing ics then rooting and trying to install unsuported cwm then did a data factory reset. Had to use my warranty just to get a new one not even they could fix it. BUT I ADVISE U DONT DO IT IT SUCKS
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I think i might've bricked my phone.. It's a LG-P990. I literally bought it today with Cyangenmod and i went into the ROM whatever app and i clicked check to see if there are updates for the current ROM and it said i had to install something to be able to check. So it asked which phone i had and i selected the LGE Optimus 2x. At which point the phone downloaded it and then brought me to the home screen. My phone now is black but when i touch the screen the buttons light up. Holding the power button doesnt do anything.. please help me I think I just screwed myself over big time and i'm really upset and worried.
edit: pulled the battery out and i guess the stuff all loaded but it just shows the LG loading screen and when i tap the screen again the buttons light up. What do i do? i know i probably shouldn't haven even gone in that section at all it said some warning and i just hit ok cause i assumed that this is an optimus 2x which it is, is it not ? what happened? im so confused.. should i just update the phone with the LG support tool because it is picking it up, would that fix all of this ? i tried to boot it up and hold the power + the vol down button and got into the CWM but i dont know what to do here, should i just factory reset wipe everything and try to flash it all again, the seller told me he unlocked himself is that difficult to do?
also sorry if this in the wrong place!!
tl;dr I need a very smart android mentor to help a stupid noob (this is my first android) to help me get back to the square i just obliterated. I don't think the phone is bricked as i can access the CMW.
You could also try wiping everything via cwm,or download some custom rom cm7,miui DjangoManouche put the .zip on the external sd card and choose install from zip in cwm or sort of.The option is on the main page.
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Don`t worry, this is LG, impossible to soft - brick .
I would recommend you at start to go to stock, till you do some reading and learn a little about custom roms.
So, as toxie87 already suggested (and you have the same idea ), the procedure will be something like this:
1. Download this rom
2. Put the zip on your sd card
3. Boot in cwm, do a factory reset, and then install rom from your sd card
3. You are up and running again
if you have bricked your phone then try the below method...NV flash method by homermod.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715272
else as previously replied by our members read the threads and learn about custom rom and try flashing your SPEED....
hit thanks if i have helped you....:highfive:
Memhis said:
Don`t worry, this is LG, impossible to soft - brick .
I would recommend you at start to go to stock, till you do some reading and learn a little about custom roms.
So, as toxie87 already suggested (and you have the same idea ), the procedure will be something like this:
1. Download this rom
2. Put the zip on your sd card
3. Boot in cwm, do a factory reset, and then install rom from your sd card
3. You are up and running again
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The seller has now told me it's a LG G2x, so i don't know if i should still try to put that ROM on the SD card guess i'll have to sift around a bit to find the one for the G2x unless you have that link handy too but i'm sure it won't be too hard. Yet it is nice to hear that it's not completely gone haha, jeez was i worried I lost sleep on it! Thank you
edit: i just fixed everything thank you for the help!
jerfy said:
The seller has now told me it's a LG G2x, so i don't know if i should still try to put that ROM on the SD card guess i'll have to sift around a bit to find the one for the G2x unless you have that link handy too but i'm sure it won't be too hard. Yet it is nice to hear that it's not completely gone haha, jeez was i worried I lost sleep on it! Thank you
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Ah, you then have T-Mobile LG G2x. It is similar, but not the same. Do not flash any file from o2x to your phone, you will do more damage then you have now!
Go to your device forum -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1114
Find there a rom that suits you and the procedure is the same .
Edit:
jerfy said:
edit: i just fixed everything thank you for the help!
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Glad that you have manage to solve it. Don`t hesitate to experiment on phone (after some reading, there is nothing to brake), just make a cwm backup before, and use files from your g2x forum .
wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/LG_Optimus_2X:_Full_Update_Guide#Method_via_Recovery
Hi guys!
I'm a newbie here at XDA. Long time ago, I have formatted my Optimus 2X from GB to ICS using smart flash tool. I have done that successfully. After few months, I felt like my phone is slow to respond. Then I decided to repartition and install fresh ICS copy again. I was not 100% sure what I was doing at that time. I have used AIO tool for this. Selected option no. 4 and have selected CWM v6.0.2.5 as recovery.
Then I tried to install the new ROM using smart flash and I did not succeed. After I have messed up with this problem, I contacted "spyrosk" (the OP of AIO tool thread) and he told me to install stock ROM on this thread. Then I have downloaded the V30A ROM and copied out to the phone memory, and installed using cwm by selecting install zip from sdcard option. I have succeeded.
But now I want get my phone back to the situation where I installed ICS in first time (GB to ICS using smartflash). Because my camera isn't working, OS freezes pretty much, etc. So I tried several times using Smart flash (in AIO tool) tool as I did as same as when I update from GB to ICS. But, I'm getting an error. Time out reached, after few minutes.
Should I remove CWM before install the fresh stock ICS rom using smart flash? Please guide me through this as I am a newbie for these kind of things. All I want to do is, bring back my phone to the same situation where I upgrade from GB to ICS, as I told you at the beginning of this thread.
Please don't ignore this thread by thinking I am an epic noob at this. Guide me and I'll do exactly as you guys say. Thanks a lot for reading. A reply would be greatly appreciated. :angel:
Anyone? Please.
BUMP. Can someone please give me an advice? I'm kinda disappointed right now.
androidpradeep said:
BUMP. Can someone please give me an advice? I'm kinda disappointed right now.
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There is nothing to worry about, just keep trying using smartflash. After each try remove the cable then connect it back, if it still not works restart teh phone to S/W screen. If it still not works try it on an other usb port, and do everithing from the begining. If it still fails use another cable or try it on an other computer.
It usually start work for the 6th or the 7th time of trying.
No need to remove cwm or anything like that.
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There is nothing to worry about, just keep trying using smartflash. After each try remove the cable then connect it back, if it still not works restart teh phone to S/W screen. If it still not works try it on an other usb port, and do everithing from the begining. If it still fails use another cable or try it on an other computer.
It usually start work for the 6th or the 7th time of trying.
No need to remove cwm or anything like that.
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Thank you very much for replying this thread BitDomo. I will try some more times then. Apart from that, I have seen a way to uninstall CWM by installing some files to the device. But I did not try that since that method is for CWM v3.x.x.
I'm kinda noob at savvy android thingies for now. I will learn some more about these thingies from the start of next month. Until then, I just want to bring my phone to official ICS 4.0.3 stock ROM and use the phone as I did earlier.
Thanks again for your kind reply to this thread bro. Really appreciate. I'll try some more times and will post the results. Dear android experts, any other solutions for this? Please make a post if you have a suggestion. Peace.. :highfive:
Please help
Guys I have tried over 10 times to flash to ICS 4.0.4 using Smartflash. But everytime I end up with same error. Then I tried Nvflash. But my device showed me a black screen after the process completed. Everything working correctly but I couldn't see anything on my LCD, its just a black screen with the light. So, I used full brick repair for P990 here at xda.
Now I have CWM v6.0.2.5 as recovery and CyanogenMod 10-20131105-UNOFFICIAL-p990 in my phone. Can someone please explain me how to bring this phone back to official ICS 4.0.4? I tried smartflash right now and device shows a black LCD screen. Smartflash picks up the device but process stops in few seconds. I have searched for revert back to stock ICS from CM, but I did not get a descriptive enough information for this. Please write atleast a brief reply if you know the procedure. Thank you very much. :good:
androidpradeep said:
Guys I have tried over 10 times to flash to ICS 4.0.4 using Smartflash. But everytime I end up with same error. Then I tried Nvflash. But my device showed me a black screen after the process completed. Everything working correctly but I couldn't see anything on my LCD, its just a black screen with the light. So, I used full brick repair for P990 here at xda.
Now I have CWM v6.0.2.5 as recovery and CyanogenMod 10-20131105-UNOFFICIAL-p990 in my phone. Can someone please explain me how to bring this phone back to official ICS 4.0.4? I tried smartflash right now and device shows a black LCD screen. Smartflash picks up the device but process stops in few seconds. I have searched for revert back to stock ICS from CM, but I did not get a descriptive enough information for this. Please write atleast a brief reply if you know the procedure. Thank you very much. :good:
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Problem solved. The thing we learnt today is that the battery have to be inserted when you use smartflash.
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bitdomo said:
Problem solved. The thing we learnt today is that the battery have to be inserted when you use smartflash.
Sent from my LG-P990 using xda app-developers app
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This dude is a genius. This tip fixed my phone instantly. If any of you had the same problem, remember NOT to remove the battery when you do a smartflash. So its time to close the thread.
i said it many times on forum
Dear experts, I have seen similar threads as with the issue I am facing but I wasnt sure of few parts and if the process as a whole could work for me.
Here's what I know and what the problem is all about, appreciate any help to get back the phone in working condition.
First the basics:
HTC first
GSM unlocked, Bootloader unlocked and TWRP installed
I wanted to delete and format the device as I intended to give this to my friend and I did go to TWRP menu and then clicked on advanced wipe etc and realized I did erase everything the phone needs even to bootup. This I have done without taking backup.
What it looks like now:
When I boot the device out from TWRP, the 'F' logo comes up and stays like that for ever. If I go to TWRP pressing the power and volume down together, it goes to the TWRP menu and thats it..no options seem to help me on this screen to go past the 'F' logo at startup. If I simply power down the device on the 'F' screen it restarts and goes to the same screen making it look like its in a loop. Not sure if this is called soft-brick or hard-brick but it looks like the phone is of no use to me right now.
Can you guys please help me with resolving the problem..any help will be much appreciated
kuldeep_ch said:
Dear experts, I have seen similar threads as with the issue I am facing but I wasnt sure of few parts and if the process as a whole could work for me.
Here's what I know and what the problem is all about, appreciate any help to get back the phone in working condition.
First the basics:
HTC first
GSM unlocked, Bootloader unlocked and TWRP installed
I wanted to delete and format the device as I intended to give this to my friend and I did go to TWRP menu and then clicked on advanced wipe etc and realized I did erase everything the phone needs even to bootup. This I have done without taking backup.
What it looks like now:
When I boot the device out from TWRP, the 'F' logo comes up and stays like that for ever. If I go to TWRP pressing the power and volume down together, it goes to the TWRP menu and thats it..no options seem to help me on this screen to go past the 'F' logo at startup. If I simply power down the device on the 'F' screen it restarts and goes to the same screen making it look like its in a loop. Not sure if this is called soft-brick or hard-brick but it looks like the phone is of no use to me right now.
Can you guys please help me with resolving the problem..any help will be much appreciated
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Sideload the stock rom and then flash it I've been in your situation and that's all that was needed to be done.
Be sure to also flash the boot.img if you aren't s-off
More questions
Thanks Abraham for your quick response.
I am starter with Android so, please help me how to sideload and also on where to get stock rom. I will also be lying if I said I understood whats s-off..? Please help further
Thanks
abrahammmmmmm_ said:
Sideload the stock rom and then flash it I've been in your situation and that's all that was needed to be done.
Be sure to also flash the boot.img if you aren't s-off
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S-ON it is
I have checked on HBOOT screen and its S-ON
kuldeep_ch said:
I have checked on HBOOT screen and its S-ON
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No problem! just be sure to hit that thanks button
Well then you'll have to make sure you flash the boot.IMG as well,
So what you'll do is
1) find the stock ROM around these threads
2) sideload the ROM
3) flash it
4) flash the boot.IMG inside the rom
5) you're done!
Understanding what s-on/off won't be of use here really d:
And the stock ROM is somewhere around these threads. About the side loading you might find a tutorial for that on YouTube. Sorry if it seems that I'm just leaving you in the dust but I am typing this in a hurry since it's 2:50 am at my place. I will be back to whip up a tutorial for you if YouTube wasn't of much help
Okay
Let me try my best till its like a more sociable time for you tomm morning, I will post my updates on the thread on how far I go and any questions I may have..
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Well then you'll have to make sure you flash the boot.IMG as well,
So what you'll do is
1) find the stock ROM around these threads
2) sideload the ROM
3) flash it
4) flash the boot.IMG inside the rom
5) you're done!
If you need help with a tutorial or need me to go in depth with something it'll be quite a while from now because it's 2:40 am at my place. I'll assume you're a more advanced user since you've already got twrp and sound like you know what you're talking about
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Let me try my best till its like a more sociable time for you tomm morning, I will post my updates on the thread on how far I go and any questions I may have..
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Yeah, just be sure not to wonder off too far from these threads on to other forums and flash or do something that can brick the device
Oh and btw I edited my post bc I saw your othe reply stating that you aren't all that too advanced with this
boot.img
I should be finding the boot.img on the stock ROM itself, isnt it..?
kuldeep_ch said:
Let me try my best till its like a more sociable time for you tomm morning, I will post my updates on the thread on how far I go and any questions I may have..
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I should be finding the boot.img on the stock ROM itself, isnt it..?
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That's correct. Unzip the ROM and it should be there
This is how far I could get
Got all stock ROM and the IMG files, installed android SDK
ADB doesnt recognize the device to copy the file for sideloading
Guess issue is with the fact USB debugging was disabled earlier on my device
Can you please advise further
Is it better to chat on google chat or something so its even faster and I could get this fixed tonight (my time)
Thank you
Finally got it fixed
Thanks for the help..it all worked fine and the device is now working fine..
Thanks for all the guidance
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Got all stock ROM and the IMG files, installed android SDK
ADB doesnt recognize the device to copy the file for sideloading
Guess issue is with the fact USB debugging was disabled earlier on my device
Can you please advise further
Is it better to chat on google chat or something so its even faster and I could get this fixed tonight (my time)
Thank you
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Thanks for the help..it all worked fine and the device is now working fine..
Thanks for all the guidance
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Great! Sorry I was away but it was getting very late. I'm glad everything worked out tho
kuldeep_ch said:
Got all stock ROM and the IMG files, installed android SDK
ADB doesnt recognize the device to copy the file for sideloading
Guess issue is with the fact USB debugging was disabled earlier on my device
Can you please advise further
Is it better to chat on google chat or something so its even faster and I could get this fixed tonight (my time)
Thank you
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wait a sec...you dont have a rom or kernel on your device at the moment right?
then there is no way to turn on usb debug on or off cause there is nothing managing the device.
um...use cmd and do adb devices. if its not there then i have no idea but if fast-boot goes into usb mode try flasing it using code
not sure what you would use, but see if "fastboot flash update nameofROM.zip"
but im not sure if that is the right code
stock rom for htc first
kuldeep_ch said:
Got all stock ROM and the IMG files, installed android SDK
ADB doesnt recognize the device to copy the file for sideloading
Guess issue is with the fact USB debugging was disabled earlier on my device
Can you please advise further
Is it better to chat on google chat or something so its even faster and I could get this fixed tonight (my time)
Thank you
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can you provide a stock rom for htc first because i am having a same issue as yours ........ mine is s off too .....
abrahammmmmmm_ said:
No problem! just be sure to hit that thanks button
Well then you'll have to make sure you flash the boot.IMG as well,
So what you'll do is
1) find the stock ROM around these threads
2) sideload the ROM
3) flash it
4) flash the boot.IMG inside the rom
5) you're done!
Understanding what s-on/off won't be of use here really d:
And the stock ROM is somewhere around these threads. About the side loading you might find a tutorial for that on YouTube. Sorry if it seems that I'm just leaving you in the dust but I am typing this in a hurry since it's 2:50 am at my place. I will be back to whip up a tutorial for you if YouTube wasn't of much help
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can you please provide a tutorial and and all the link because i m kinda noob . I am unable to find them .