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I made another thread asking about a problem I was having with Odin not recognizing my captivate, but with no solution there I have decided to try and install froyo a different way. It looks like the froyo guide that nbs11 wrote will work for me a lot easier than odin. I am just about to attempt it, but I have a major concern:
With odin not being able to recognize my phone at all when it is in download mode, what would happen if my phone were to become bricked? Is odin the only way to fix it then? I would not want to brick it and then have a program that will never recognize it...
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I would recommend not flashing froyo until you work out the odin problem. You will be fine the first time you flash most likely but will essentially be stuck with that one rom. Most roms will throw crazy errors and fcs if you don't go back to stock before flashing.
Also if you happen to brick your phone you will be stuck without odin. It might be tempting to flash a rom but there will be no way to go back to stock.
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I was afraid of this... Do you know of any other way to flash back to stock without odin? I spent 6 hours trying to get it to work yesterday with no luck...
Oh wait! I would be using clockwork and RomManager in order to flash the phone to Froyo.... Does that mean when I am on Froyo I could use the same procedure to flash back to an older firmware all without the use of Odin?
That's^ exactly what I did, I used Rom Manager (clockwork, they're one and the same) to flash the recovery, backed up the stock Eclair and flashed Axura Froyo.
I also used Titanium to back up all my apps and restore them after switching to Axura. No Odin at all.
Had this phone short of a month. I'm trying to figure out how to flash Odin now.
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That's^ exactly what I did, I used Rom Manager (clockwork, they're one and the same) to flash the recovery, backed up the stock Eclair and flashed Axura Froyo.
I also used Titanium to back up all my apps and restore them after switching to Axura. No Odin at all.
Had this phone short of a month. I'm trying to figure out how to flash Odin now.
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So you can confirm that it would be completely possible to flash back to Eclair with just clockwork? If so, it might be worth doing. Well, as long as I don't get bricked... That, im sure, would require odin
totally not worth the risk. figure out ODIN first, or we will be seeing a post in a few weeks from you screaming about bricking your phone.....
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totally not worth the risk. figure out ODIN first, or we will be seeing a post in a few weeks from you screaming about bricking your phone.....
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Thats the thing though... I see no way to get odin to work with my phone. I have tried every thing that I know of.
*sigh* guess Ill have to wait for the official froyo update then...
I prettu much figured out how to recover using Odin, but before my question is now that I've rooted and applied a custom firmware, will using Odin now wipe all of my user data, root and rom?
Thanks.
I think i get it now, Odin IS a way to recover the stock firmware, it's not like clockwork where you backup your original and custom firmware and switch between them.
The fact that I was able to flash a custom firmware without bricking my phone sort of negates the need for me to use Odin.
I took that risk and it worked fine. Now for the OP, it's better to find out that you do have that option of reverting back to stock in case you brick in the middle of flashing. Therein comes the problem that Odin doesn't recognize your phone, hence the hesitation to flash.
I guess it's really up to you if you want to do it anyway without Odin...
I see no reason to risk it... I spent too much money on this thing to brick it without a way to fix it
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I see no reason to risk it... I spent too much money on this thing to brick it without a way to fix it
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Don't you have warranty on it? well everything that goes flashing is always a risk if your going back to stock im prefer using the "odin stock with 3 button combo", it flashes the sbl.bin first which is the 3 button combo in cases it hangs up somewhere you can always unplug the usb then go to download mode again. In cases there is also a "homemade test jig" that can help you go to download mode. The benifits you get from flashing is a lot you can use your phone full potential. Correct me if im wrong as long as you can start your phone with a display you can always fix it. I would suggest to read all those with quote and theres also "ADB" which can help in some cases. just keep in mind before flashing make sure that the 3 button combo is intact first.
Nope, I have no warranty on this... I have t-mobile but didn't want the vibrant because I would need to pay the extra money for a data plan on it. With the captivate, I bypassed the requirement for the plan when I unlocked it.
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Ok time to re appear in this thread again. I have had a decent amount of flashing experience and want to make sure the right info us being shared.
Once again you can flash to any rom you want a couple of times.however after a few you are not found to be able to do it because what is going on in the phone of more complicated then you see on the phone. Most roms change the kernels and hardware software interaction. This can cause conflict resulting in fcs and excessive battery drain.
With all that being said I would still advise you to jump the bucket as king a you get odin to work. As long as you can figure that out you are golden. Once you have the hand of it you can flash to stock and to a rom in your sleep. I have managed to do it while on the highway.
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A) You didn't install the driver (or the wrong driver)
B) You don't know what Download Mode is
C) Your phone is broken
D) You need to use a different USB port
Those are the ones that come to mind.
Alternatively, you could give Heimdall a try.
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A) You didn't install the driver (or the wrong driver)
B) You don't know what Download Mode is
C) Your phone is broken
D) You need to use a different USB port
Those are the ones that come to mind.
Alternatively, you could give Heimdall a try.
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A) The drivers should be right, I downloaded them twice
B) I know exactly how to get to download mode.
C) Most likely
D) I Tried on 3 separate computers with different USB
Let me know if you have any other suggestions, I have tried everything.
What is Heimdall? Might be worth a shot...
Only idea i have is to pull your battery sim and sd card for a minut or two then flash odin with only your battery in.
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I bricked my phone with an i9000 firmware. Since I was unlucky enough to have a phone without the 3 button combo, I was screwed.
Now, IF I decide to flash my new phone again, i'll make sure to put together the homemade jig which can put the phone into download mode without the phone needing to be able to do it itself.
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Only idea i have is to pull your battery sim and sd card for a minut or two then flash odin with only your battery in.
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That is what I have been doing actually... I take everything out and enter download mode with just the battery in the phone
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ok guys here is the deal. I just flashed teamhacksung's CM9 ALPHA for Captivate (BUILD 16) and faced multiple problems :
-no service at all
-phone doesnt recognize internal sd card, and keeps asking to insert sd card to be able to use camera and media player
-no option to choose wifi that i want to use
-cannot connect phone with computer via usb even mass storage is on
I need help desperately guys as soon as possible!!! can someone tell how to fix these problems, or tell me how to fix connection problems so i can copy another rom to my phone, or maybe how to go back to stock settings and stock rom !!
try flashing different ROM, may be?
Nostalgia 2.1 is out.
Check the sticky in the dev section for an odin flashable stock rom. Don't use cwm. Start back at kk4, flash a cwm kernel (corn or similar), then try cm9 again.
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Check the sticky in the dev section for an odin flashable stock rom. Don't use cwm. Start back at kk4, flash a cwm kernel (corn or similar), then try cwm9 again.
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Do this and try again. But before you go and flash things, make sure you know the way out first.
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Thank u guys, i found my way out of this...now i have icsgs rom installed and ive got encryption unsuccessful problem than broke my internal memory, and now i have to deal with that...this phone really hates me :Thanks u guys for help
There is a thread in the Dec section with instructions for a work around for the sd card failure problem.
Can't find the link atm since I'm on my phone.
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Hey guys i got new question for u, well now while im dealing with encryption problem i used the guide that yall mentioned and im having little problem (i hope its little) so heres the deal : whenever i try to pull or push file using adb i got device not found error. Im trying to push vold.flstab file that i somehow got out system/etc folder on my phone without using oull command since it wasnt working. I got it out and modified it but i cant push it back. How can i fix this error or how can i create a zip file to flash this file to my phone using cwm ???
Nevermind guys, figured out how to change that file (using root explorer) but now when i changed i was supposed to restart phone (thats what guide said) but phone now stucks on boot screen. really dont know what to do -.-
My friend says to me all the time... "your doing it wrong" and "just stop hacking your phone and u won't have that problem"
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Yeea, I figured out that way now when my phone is totally busted, im gonna get new one (Captivate again) and not gonna mess a lot with it as I did with this one.
Really you shouldn't have to worry about completely messing up(but don't hold me to it) I thought I was done a couple times, but even when my captivate was soft bricked and my computer wouldn't recognize it, a USB jig pops it into download mode that we all know and love ... and from there you can flash back to whatever you like.
By the way...when is the last backup you have made? If it was right before you flashed, just go into download mode, flash to whatever you were on, restore your nandroid, then start over the right way(or choose not to flash that again)
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Basically I've screwed over my phone.
It WILL boot. However I can't get it to go into USB mode.
I'm on Android 2.3.5 and I have this rom installed. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779290
When I try to flash from a backup, it fails flashing system and renders my phone a brick until I reinstall the above ROM
I've also tried going into download mode so I can use the official LG updater to flash it back completely stock. However I can't seem to get that working.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Basically I've screwed over my phone.
It WILL boot. However I can't get it to go into USB mode.
I'm on Android 2.3.5 and I have this rom installed. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1779290
When I try to flash from a backup, it fails flashing system and renders my phone a brick until I reinstall the above ROM
I've also tried going into download mode so I can use the official LG updater to flash it back completely stock. However I can't seem to get that working.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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First you are posting in the wrong section.
Second, what baseband do you have installed. I am running on a Froyo baseband and can't run thrillseeker due to the baseband requiring the GB baseband. You can probably return to stock by using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1491870
From what I am reading, the LG Updater sometimes will fail but you just have to continue using it.
Good luck with your issue. I am planning to do the same to my nephews phone later today. If i can figure something out I will post back.
I think its V20P which is Gingerbread. I know when I last updated it I used the official updating tool and grabbed it from their server. But again I'm on Android 2.3.5 Gingerbread. Will those update.zip files work?
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DracoAzule said:
I think its V20P which is Gingerbread. I know when I last updated it I used the official updating tool and grabbed it from their server. But again I'm on Android 2.3.5 Gingerbread. Will those update.zip files work?
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Everything works except USB ?.....does the phone charge through USB and just doesn't give you the option to connect SD cards?
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Everything works except USB ?.....does the phone charge through USB and just doesn't give you the option to connect SD cards?
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Yea it charges but that's it.
Luckily I have SwiFTP installed on my phone so I can still transfer things back and fourth between my phone and PC over my home network via FTP. Just much, MUCH slower.
EDIT: I just realized why this was in the wrong section. I TOTALLY thought I was posting in the general forum. Sorry. *derp*
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First thing uninstall LG PC drivers then reboot PC and reinstall them. Or try to connect to a different PC to make sure it is not PC related. If that doesn't work then try wiping caches and instsall a different kernel. If that doesn't work I would then try full data wipe and reinstall rom of choice. You might try different rom as once its fixed you can always flash back...hope this helps you.
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Well I believe I've figured out what the problem was.
You see the other day while I was charging the phone I accidentally knocked it off. The USB cable got caught on my alarm clock and caught the phone, so the phone was hanging by the USB cable.
Well today I looked at the connector on it and I noticed it was bent a little. So I bent it back up and heard a small *click*
I was afraid I had broke it completely inside. However when I plugged it in my computer recognized my phone and USB mode showed up.
Hello all,
I have a GTab 8.9 from AT&T. I performed the ICS upgrade last night using Kies and it seemed to load correctly with no errors however the touch screen does not work now. It boots up fine but I cannot do anything with the screen. Power and volume buttons seem to be working fine.
I was able to reboot the device by holding the power button in and then go into download mode and do a factory reset. That went with no errors but the touch screen still does not work.
So, next I thought I would use Odin and try to push the factory rom back to it however Odin never sees the device, (tried multiple usb ports and 2 different pc's Win7 32b and 64b) However if I go ahead and let the GTab boot on up Odin does see it at that point. I can also get to the internal sdcard via my computer.
I also tried to copy the 7300_cwmr files to the sdcard and rebooted back to download mode. I selected apply update from sdcard and went into each of the directories but the device does not see any files in the directories, just the directories themselves.
So.... at this point I'm at a loss what to try next and I'm hoping someone on this forum can give me a nudge in the right direction.
I did reinstall the usb driver
Odin sucessfully recognized this device in download mode 'before' the ICS upgdate, not after.
I am using the factory usb cable and I did try a second one.
I was running version 3.2 before the upgrade.
Not ever rooted
Kies recognizes the device as well, can kies be used to flash my device? (sorry if that's a stupid question)
Thanks ahead
Are you sure you're in download mode, not recovery, when you try Odin. If kies recognizes the device I can't believe Odin won't.
Is the stock rom file you're trying to flash a zip file or a .tar.md5? The recovery is looking for a zip file and that may be why you didn't see it in any folder. Odin uses the tar file.
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Thanks for the reply.
Yes I am in download mode. As I mentioned, Odin was able to see my GT before I upgraded to ICS, but not after. At least not in DL mode. If I let the GT go ahead and boot up Odin recognizes it with the port showing up in it's normal amber color.
It boots up fine, the touch screen is not working though so I can't use the GT. Once it boots up I can see it in my computer and place files on on it.
Thanks
Have you tried fixing permissions when you're in recovery mode? Do you have a custom recovery installed our the stock recovery, and if custom which one?
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I apologize, I'm not sure what you mean by fixing permissions while in recovery mode. I do not see that option on the screen. Everything is factory on the GT. I have not installed a custom recovery. The only change to the device from stock was the ICS upgrade that I just performed via Kies.
Is there a way that I can recover the device back to 3.2 using either Kies or while in DL/recovery mode? When the device boots I can see it and add files via my computer. Can I place the stock rom that I have downloaded from sammobile on the devices sdcard and reboot into DL mode and do a restore from sdcard? Is there a different way to do this without Odin?
Odin... I am not sure why it is not recognizing it while in DL mode. Odin will recognize it after the device boots. Actually Odin recognizes it just after the "Samsung" logo displays... while the AT&T "Rethink Possible" startup video is playing Odin will see it at that point. Not before. Quite frustrating actually. (I have tried multiple pc's and usb ports)
Thanks again for the help and apologies if I am asking stupid questions.
With the device off, hold down the power and both volume keys. When you see the Samsung logo release the power key but continue to hold down the volume keys for 2 seconds then release them. That should get you into down load mode. It'll say something about pressing the volume up key to continue. Have Odin running and then plug on the usb cable. Have you done something like that?
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ok... so I found an old "XP" laptop here at my office and downloaded the usb driver and Odin again and wnet into DL mode and for whatever reason Odin sees it on the XP machine. (whatever) grrr
Anyway... I downloaded and tried pushing both of the roms I found on sammobile.com for AT&T ( i957UCKJ7 and i957UCLK4) to my GT8.9, both times they completed successfully and when rebooting the touch screen would not work.
Is the rom still available for 3.2? Can I revert back to what came with it when it was originally released?
Thanks again for the assistance.
It sounds like you have a bigger problem than putting the stock Rom on it is going to fix. If you're still under warranty I'd take it in.
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Yeah I called them up and can toss it back at them, which I will do if I cant find an original factory rom to try and push to it.
I'm still searching for one though I have not been able to find one yet. Can anyone point me to a factory rom for this device?
I'd like to try and flash it back to stock before I send it back to them (if possible) as the touch screen was working just fine before I pushed out the update via kies the other day. Once the update finished and it rebooted, the touch screen did not work after that.
Thanks!
Go to sammobile.com for the stock roms. You'll have to sign-up but it's free.
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Yeah I've been to that site, that's where I got the 2 I mentioned above (i957UCKJ7 and i957UCLK4). I believe the UCLK4 file is ICS, correct? I'm not sure what version the UCKJ7 file is. I did try both. Those were the only 2 roms I could find there for the 8.9 ATT GT. I'll go back and look again. Maybe I missed it.
Thanks for your help
I'm sure those are the only two. The other one is honeycomb. They are the official Samsung roms. I think you've done what you can.
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This is the second reported occurrence of this happening. Weird
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This is the second reported occurrence of this happening. Weird
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Make that three ?? .. any resolution so far ?
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This is the second reported occurrence of this happening. Weird
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Yea, noticed that too. I used the rom from Sammy but didn't have an issue. I wonder if they got the wrong tab version.
OP, can you post what rom you flashed? And do you have an i957?
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Make that three ?? .. any resolution so far ?
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You're the second. Weird that a couple of you have had the same problem.
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Regretfully my tab is not under warranty, and I don't know what to try next? Do you have any ideas
In a small way I'm glad to see that others are experiencing this also.
I wonder if anyone out there has a completely stock rom or knows where I can pick one up? I have tried the 2 over at sammobile and neither brought my touch screen back. I have searched and searched online and can't find anything.
I was reading on a different site while researching this issue and he said he reverted back to his original factory image and the touch screen functionality came back. I'd really just like to get my GT back up and running somehow until this ICS touch screen problem gets figured out.
Thanks ahead for any help.
Sammobile is the stock roms. Use the oldest one, honeycomb. The download is a zip file. To use Odin you'll need to extract the .tar.md5 file out of the zip. Use 7-zip to do that.
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Yeah I've tried both of the roms on sammobile. Didn't work.
Well, thanks very much for the help. I'll keep checking here through tomorrow to see if anyone else has a suggestion to try and if not I will just mail it back to Samsing on Monday. I hate doing that because I need it for a trip on the 15th. Grrr
Very frustrating.
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Yeah I've tried both of the roms on sammobile. Didn't work.
Well, thanks very much for the help. I'll keep checking here through tomorrow to see if anyone else has a suggestion to try and if not I will just mail it back to Samsing on Monday. I hate doing that because I need it for a trip on the 15th. Grrr
Very frustrating.
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Any updates ? A question, did you try to use a non ATT card ?
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Yeah I've tried both of the roms on sammobile. Didn't work.
Well, thanks very much for the help. I'll keep checking here through tomorrow to see if anyone else has a suggestion to try and if not I will just mail it back to Samsing on Monday. I hate doing that because I need it for a trip on the 15th. Grrr
Very frustrating.
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One more thing , can you please tell us where did you get your tablet from ? In case it is a he issue from the seller
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Hi everyone, as you can see I am a n00b and am in need of help.
Basically I upgraded my n7000 after running a German version of ICS (4.0.4 I believe) to the latest UK Jellybean. All worked well except that JB is pretty slow and totally drained my battery. After becoming frustrated I decided to try to flash my phone back to ICS and found a uk/Ireland version (4.0.3). I popped the phone into download mode and ran Odin successfully. Jobs a good one.....until I tried to restart my phone. It appeared to boot up as I could hea the Samsung splash tune, however the LCD didn't light up, nor any of the touch buttons. In a panic I tried to revert the phone back to JB which appeared to work except I still have the LCD/ touch button problem.
So, can anyone help at all? I can put it into download mode and connect it to Odin however KIES doesn't appear to see the phone when it's on and plugged in. Should I send it for a JTAG repair, or can this be fixed via the PC?
Thanks in advance!
Kev
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Hi everyone, as you can see I am a n00b and am in need of help.
Basically I upgraded my n7000 after running a German version of ICS (4.0.4 I believe) to the latest UK Jellybean. All worked well except that JB is pretty slow and totally drained my battery. After becoming frustrated I decided to try to flash my phone back to ICS and found a uk/Ireland version (4.0.3). I popped the phone into download mode and ran Odin successfully. Jobs a good one.....until I tried to restart my phone. It appeared to boot up as I could hea the Samsung splash tune, however the LCD didn't light up, nor any of the touch buttons. In a panic I tried to revert the phone back to JB which appeared to work except I still have the LCD/ touch button problem.
So, can anyone help at all? I can put it into download mode and connect it to Odin however KIES doesn't appear to see the phone when it's on and plugged in. Should I send it for a JTAG repair, or can this be fixed via the PC?
Thanks in advance!
Kev
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Thats an odd one really, but I would try flashing stock GB with pc odin, there are many fewer flash problems with gb and it's a good place to start.
Forget connection to kies, so long as you can connect to odin.
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Thats an odd one really, but I would try flashing stock GB with pc odin, there are many fewer flash problems with gb and it's a good place to start.
Forget connection to kies, so long as you can connect to odin.
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Thanks for the prompt reply SpyderTracks, I will give that a whirl. Any reccomendation of where to get a decent stock GB as I tried from Sanmobile and they only seem to have later ICS and JB. I did try to download a copy from an old thread on here but I couldn't unzip the file with win zip or winrar both said "unknown compression type" when I tried to extract even though I could see the tar file inside. :S
Kev
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Thanks for the prompt reply SpyderTracks, I will give that a whirl. Any reccomendation of where to get a decent stock GB as I tried from Sanmobile and they only seem to have later ICS and JB. I did try to download a copy from an old thread on here but I couldn't unzip the file with win zip or winrar both said "unknown compression type" when I tried to extract even though I could see the tar file inside. :S
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Try the unzip with 7zip, winzip won't handle it and winrar is a bit old school.
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Try the unzip with 7zip, winzip won't handle it and winrar is a bit old school.
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POW! The phone lives!!! Thanks for your help mate. Just stuck on the android system recovery now, so will have a read up on that.
Kev
Great stuff, should be easy sailing now. Best of luck.
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Mine did that when I put the DBT release 4.1.2 on my phone, then put a custom kernel. Reflashed it several times with
no luck, then, tried a kernel from a different developer and it worked just fine. Downloaded the original kernel I was using
(speedmod) and flashed it again, and sound but no lights. Put Philz kernel back on it and it worked. Not sure what the
deal was, but with my device, the DBT LT5 rom and speedmod, I couldn't get any video.
Thanks SpyderTracks all working now, battery is a bit iffy but I think that is hardware more than anything else, I've changed the charge port and it's the same. Both batteries are fine in my girlfriends phone though. Hey, at least it is alive!
P51D - yeah I got totally worried, it's really odd, plus I couldn't really find anyone else who had this problem when I was searching. Thought I may have had to go for the JTAG route.
In my 40 + years of fixing electronic circuits, I've always found that troubleshooting ALIVE, although not working properly, is a hell of
a lot easier, than troubleshooting DEAD
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Hey, at least it is alive!
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