I have had my cappy since release and have been flashing roms since. I'm some what of a techie so I have had no issue with the process and feel comfortable flashing CM7, but is it worth it. Should I wait or indulge myself? Thanks for the input.
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Personally I think you should go ahead and try it. It's by far the best rom I have ever ran and don't plan to go back to other roms for a long time if at all. It just runs so smoothly and just has an overall good feel to it. As far as everything is working for me it is very stable and usable no real issues that matter after the most recent update so I absolutely love it
It's worth it to try it. Just try it and see if it fits your tastes.
And if you don't like it, it's worth it to flash back to stock
I tried it and liked it, I just know that the CM7 team is going to be pushing out bigger and better things... It's just a matter of when. So for now, I'm sticking with Cog 4.1 and a custom kernel.
Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to give it another week and sed what else they release then I'm going for it!
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
Known Bugs
Front Facing-Camera (Obviously, as our Cappys don't have Front-Facing Cameras)
Polling problem on RIL (works after lock and unlock)
2G/3G toggle (works if no data connection is active)
Compass (works not at 100%)
USB sharing of external SD-Card
commands: reboot recovery, reboot download (maybe not possible to implement)
FM-Radio
TV-Out
If you're fine with the above, I actually think it's really stable for a Beta. It's up to you The process is a bit hard to do than a normal ROM though.
Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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It seems he is on a crusader against a lot of things. The eternal pessimist
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
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Lets be fair, there have been tons of threads because someone bricked their phone flashing cognition, serendipity, etc. I have helped some that have soft bricked their phone just trying to root.
There have been hundreds of threads because of odin soft bricks.
I am on two weeks with it on my phone. the issues that exist, if you read, are all avoidable. I am not "claiming" anything other than it is more than stable enough for daily use, but it is a work in progress.
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend. Treat your phone like the valuable hardware it is, and don't flash if you are unsure
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
CM7
I'm running Juiced 1.2. I love it.
mcord11758 said:
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend.
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That's a major caveat in here, seeing how common sense is at a premium these days.
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
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I'm already a mod or admin at several other sites, including a cell phone site. They all have pretty much the same rules and expectations and about the same number of users that disregard both. Mr. Clown and Zelendel do a fine job, but the users also have a responsibility to help out when possible. There are a number of stickies in this subforum specifically for certain ROMs. They were created to help reduce the clutter and keep the forum focused. This thread should have gone there along with a number of others. If people would just take a moment to think before starting a thread, this place would run a lot smoother, especially for those who view it from their devices. Just sayin'.
Hello xda. I've been a big selfish user of the stuff provided here for a while, as have many. I own an XPERIA X8 and it's the best phone I've ever owned (ehem.. perhaps because it's the first smartphone I've ever owned). I just wish it was a little better. I enjoyed the stock stuff for a while until my internal storage filled up too much, then I rooted and upgraded it to an easy to install Froyo ROM as it was my first time doing such things (as good as I am with programming PC's, I thought I would surely screw that up). It was great and had kept me happy for over a year, but I didn't realise how old Froyo was until I heard about Jellybean and 'Project Butter' and how it even outperforms old versions of Android. I've been limited in Froyo to relatively basic stuff anyway so I thought since I'd basically installed an android version only one step up from the stock Eclair, there'd be a lot of better versions out there.
This is where my nightmare begun. Since I already had xRecovery, I thought the process would be as simple as "download rom, install in xRecovery". A bit too ambitious, I ended up "soft bricking" my phone and having to fix it by going back to Eclair. Then, somehow, I could not even root the damn thing under the guidance of any tutorial. It's like it suddenly caught an immunity. After ages of meddling I managed to do so and get to the next step. Then the problem occurred that Superuser wasn't kicking in and allowing anything root access. I also had problems getting a new kernel on the phone and ended up only managing to install some random kernels I wasn't even sure supported the rom I was trying to install. I had some more problems trying to install CWM and it was around then I noticed another occurring problem. Apparently for installation of Jellybean, I needed to unlock bootloader, which apparently can't be done on devices with a certain version of motherboard. Mine is 11W41. I heard that this sometimes doesn't matter depending on the specific version, but after all the problems and reading up how hard it would be to recover from a problem if it occurred. So after a long time not finding alternate solutions, I decided to go for something lower.
Ice Cream Sandwich apparently had a similar problem, but I didn't spend long looking (by that time it was really late at night and I just wanted to at least get rid of Eclair again). Eventually I installed Gingerbread, which managed to work well... the second time I tried. The first time I mucked something up and ended up going back to Eclair yet again. Well, now I at least have the GingerXperia Revolution V3 rom installed, but I'm still wondering if this is the best I can do according to the X8. So yeah, that's the rant of my nightmarish story, but this is, ehem, a Q&A... so my question is, before I get too settled with my current phone set-up, is there any better option for my phone? Have I misunderstood some things and I actually do have a way of updating my kernel in order to install a better rom? From a rom, I obviously just want a well-packed version of android (Froyo was way to simplistic, having very few options to improve the experience), which is fast and suitable for every day use. As a bonus I would like it to be swappable so I can increase the RAM with SD memory and increase internal storage size (even with the ability to move apps to the SD, the phone fills up way too fast). I'd be very surprised if I've managed to pick the best way to upgrade my phone.
I know this heavily depends on opinion, so I just want to hear it. If there is better things I can do to it, I could do with a point in the right direction!
i honestly read that long post. welcome to xda mate.
tbh, i haven't tried that particular rom yet. so i can't tell you rom is "better" (which is subjective, if you ask me), so i'll try to answer the other points in your post.
since you have a locked bootloader, we're limited to roms, apps, and tweaks. a different kernel would do wonders to your phone, but since that's out of the question i think the best way to go is how to improve performance using other methods. please note that whatever i write here is my opinion. other users may think differently.
apps: i use mounts2sd for swap and a better alternative to our native app2sd feature. greenify is another app that is getting great reviews, though i try to not use task killers as much as i can. if you're into mobile gaming chainfire 3d is another app you could use.
tweaks: crossbreeder and v6 supercharger. i've personally used (using CB right now) try them and see. remember to make a backup to be safe.
that's all i can think of in short notice. i'm sure there are others and you just need to look in xda more. also, try a couple of roms before you get settled on one.
Deji666 said:
Hello xda. I've been a big selfish user of the stuff provided here for a while, as have many. I own an XPERIA X8 and it's the best phone I've ever owned (ehem.. perhaps because it's the first smartphone I've ever owned). I just wish it was a little better. I enjoyed the stock stuff for a while until my internal storage filled up too much, then I rooted and upgraded it to an easy to install Froyo ROM as it was my first time doing such things (as good as I am with programming PC's, I thought I would surely screw that up). It was great and had kept me happy for over a year, but I didn't realise how old Froyo was until I heard about Jellybean and 'Project Butter' and how it even outperforms old versions of Android. I've been limited in Froyo to relatively basic stuff anyway so I thought since I'd basically installed an android version only one step up from the stock Eclair, there'd be a lot of better versions out there.
This is where my nightmare begun. Since I already had xRecovery, I thought the process would be as simple as "download rom, install in xRecovery". A bit too ambitious, I ended up "soft bricking" my phone and having to fix it by going back to Eclair. Then, somehow, I could not even root the damn thing under the guidance of any tutorial. It's like it suddenly caught an immunity. After ages of meddling I managed to do so and get to the next step. Then the problem occurred that Superuser wasn't kicking in and allowing anything root access. I also had problems getting a new kernel on the phone and ended up only managing to install some random kernels I wasn't even sure supported the rom I was trying to install. I had some more problems trying to install CWM and it was around then I noticed another occurring problem. Apparently for installation of Jellybean, I needed to unlock bootloader, which apparently can't be done on devices with a certain version of motherboard. Mine is 11W41. I heard that this sometimes doesn't matter depending on the specific version, but after all the problems and reading up how hard it would be to recover from a problem if it occurred. So after a long time not finding alternate solutions, I decided to go for something lower.
Ice Cream Sandwich apparently had a similar problem, but I didn't spend long looking (by that time it was really late at night and I just wanted to at least get rid of Eclair again). Eventually I installed Gingerbread, which managed to work well... the second time I tried. The first time I mucked something up and ended up going back to Eclair yet again. Well, now I at least have the GingerXperia Revolution V3 rom installed, but I'm still wondering if this is the best I can do according to the X8. So yeah, that's the rant of my nightmarish story, but this is, ehem, a Q&A... so my question is, before I get too settled with my current phone set-up, is there any better option for my phone? Have I misunderstood some things and I actually do have a way of updating my kernel in order to install a better rom? From a rom, I obviously just want a well-packed version of android (Froyo was way to simplistic, having very few options to improve the experience), which is fast and suitable for every day use. As a bonus I would like it to be swappable so I can increase the RAM with SD memory and increase internal storage size (even with the ability to move apps to the SD, the phone fills up way too fast). I'd be very surprised if I've managed to pick the best way to upgrade my phone.
I know this heavily depends on opinion, so I just want to hear it. If there is better things I can do to it, I could do with a point in the right direction!
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why made you think that you needed to post that bolded part?
just read....read....read...the rom threads and use the search button
CnC-ROCK said:
why made you think that you needed to post that bolded part?
just read....read....read...the rom threads and use the search button
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Maybe I was feeling sociable and friendly and wanted to share my story? Why made you think that you needed to quote and bolden it?
And what do the threads and search functions have to do about anything? Im asking for help specific to my phone and what I've done to it, so unless you're gonna help I just dont see the logic in going into all this effort to reply to my topic. I mean really, don't bother, I'm not worth it...
@cascabel
Installed that mounts2sd but on launching it I got a message about root permissions not being granted. It's a common problem I'm noticing. Only some apps achieve root access. I think the problem might be to do with an outdated SU binary, but the topic for the ROM said not to update it after installing. I updated it beforehand but the ROM must have its own binaries or something.
Deji666 said:
Maybe I was feeling sociable and friendly and wanted to share my story? Why made you think that you needed to quote and bolden it?
And what do the threads and search functions have to do about anything? Im asking for help specific to my phone and what I've done to it, so unless you're gonna help I just dont see the logic in going into all this effort to reply to my topic. I mean really, don't bother, I'm not worth it...
@cascabel
Installed that mounts2sd but on launching it I got a message about root permissions not being granted. It's a common problem I'm noticing. Only some apps achieve root access. I think the problem might be to do with an outdated SU binary, but the topic for the ROM said not to update it after installing. I updated it beforehand but the ROM must have its own binaries or something.
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you asked for some help...but did you search or read other people's posts before that?
that was my point...:silly:
if you're using superuser, try switching to supersu. the update the binaries. it should work then :thumbup:
btw, i'm not sure but i think swap is only for custom kernels. my bad.
cascabel said:
if you're using superuser, try switching to supersu. the update the binaries. it should work then :thumbup:
btw, i'm not sure but i think swap is only for custom kernels. my bad.
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Yes, swap works only on custom kernel
work hard, play hard
CnC-ROCK said:
you asked for some help...but did you search or read other people's posts before that?
that was my point...:silly:
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Yes, asking for help, not info. The help would be specific to my phone, rom, lack of bootloader unlock etc
I did manage to flash a new kernel with flashtool but only certain ones work and im not sure why.
However I installed crossbreed as suggested and it was successful, so thats nice. I'll try some more suggestions later.
Hi,
I have an ASUS TF701T (K00C) Tablet, with Jelly Bean v4.3.
It is Rooted and has CWM Recovery installed.
The SETTINGS >> ABOUT screen reads as follows:
Kernel Version:
3.4.57-g15e4406
[email protected] #1
Build Number:
JSS1SJ.US_epad-1.0.26.1.7.20131108020115_2013.10210002
I am not a developer, nor a programmer, so I need like a file (Zip, or whatever) and a method to install it.
Pershoot gave me this link:
https://github.com/pershoot/android_kernel_asus_tf701t
...but I can't make any sense of it. I don't know what all of those files are.
I can follow instructions. I've Rooted and installed Recovery on a number of devices and Kernels on a couple of them as well. But there was always a file and instructions. Like "Install from Zip" in Recovery, or sideloading with ADB (command line provided).
Can anyone please help me? I would really love to get this done!
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!!
Thats the kernel source ya?
Try this tutorial if you want to build your own kernel. Looks promising.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...mctr=(not provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=198280108
YayYouFixedIt said:
Thats the kernel source ya?
Try this tutorial if you want to build your own kernel. Looks promising.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...mctr=(not provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=198280108
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I don't want to build my own kernel. That was the point of my post.
Not everyone wants to build everything they use from scratch. That's why Dominos & Dell are both so succesful.
There are only 3 custom roms out there for this device and they use the CM11 kernel or repacked stock kernel.
Nobody has released a custom kernel for this tablet, so if you want an OC kernel, you will HAVE to build it yourself.
Or be patient....
BTW, before you install any custom software you should upgrade to the .18 bootloader. Each of the 3 custom Roms requires it and if somebody builds a custom kernel it will most likely be designed to run with the latest bootloader and those roms.
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Tbh I don't think this device needs much OC right now and there is no way of doing it without rebuilding the kernel. I have no idea how to add OC to the source other than look at how _that did it using clemsyn's hack. That may not even work.
I wouldn't count on it soon. It's not high priority right now.
berndblb said:
There are only 3 custom roms out there for this device and they use the CM11 kernel or repacked stock kernel.
Nobody has released a custom kernel for this tablet, so if you want an OC kernel, you will HAVE to build it yourself.
Or be patient....
BTW, before you install any custom software you should upgrade to the .18 bootloader. Each of the 3 custom Roms requires it and if somebody builds a custom kernel it will most likely be designed to run with the latest bootloader and those roms.
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Okay, I don't know what a ".18 Bootloader" means, but like I said, I am not a programmer by any means. I can follow instructions, ya know?
Let me tell you my experience...
I have overclocked four devices in the past. In each instance, it was a very simple procedure, laid out step by step by whomever made it available. I had used both Pershoots Kernels and one called an "A1", for my old Glxy Tab 10.1".
It was only a few steps. And I didn't do it as part of a ROM or anything. In fact, in every case (except with my Note 2), I ran the Factory ROM on each device, Rooted.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyones efforts in creating ROMs. Everyone likes what they like. For me, I like TouchWiz and I like the Asus unterface (whatever it's called) and I do not want to change them. Besides having to wipe my device every time I update a custom ROM, which I don't have to do with the Factory ROM, as it will always upgrade without wiping my data, it's a lot of work to to the next Android, without using another custom ROM. With the Factory ROM, I can unroot and even get the factory recovery back in place if I need to and away I go!
Besides this, if I use a cutom ROM and let's say then KitKat is available for my device, what if only one developer(s) has put out a custom ROM with KitKat for me and I do not like their ROM? With the Factory ROM, I can update and then I can teak this and that, to get the experience I want, without cutting off the factory update channel.
Anyway, that's my take and my experience. You may completely disagree with all of it. <lol>
So the bottom line is, I was hoping to get just a flashable Kernel to add to my Factory ROM (Rooted) and a way to install it and that's it.
To the next fellow that responded, to me, it does need overclocking. Mine runs very slow quite often. Slower than my old Galaxy Tab 10.1" a lot of the time. The TF700T I had a while back would blow this thing's doors off!
But I blame the Jelly Bean 4.3 version of Android, because I know what this thing should be able to do and I have read a lot of speed complaints across devices with JB 4.3.
And don't you dare disagree! I choose to believe this, because if you burst that bubble on me, I'll be running down the street screaming, while pulling my hair out! Hahaha!
Thanks to both of you for responding to my post and letting me know what the current situation is. I appreciate you taking the time to do that for me.
Zeuszoos said:
Okay, I don't know what a ".18 Bootloader" means, but like I said, I am not a programmer by any means. I can follow instructions, ya know?
Let me tell you my experience...
I have overclocked four devices in the past. In each instance, it was a very simple procedure, laid out step by step by whomever made it available. I had used both Pershoots Kernels and one called an "A1", for my old Glxy Tab 10.1".
It was only a few steps. And I didn't do it as part of a ROM or anything. In fact, in every case (except with my Note 2), I ran the Factory ROM on each device, Rooted.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyones efforts in creating ROMs. Everyone likes what they like. For me, I like TouchWiz and I like the Asus unterface (whatever it's called) and I do not want to change them. Besides having to wipe my device every time I update a custom ROM, which I don't have to do with the Factory ROM, as it will always upgrade without wiping my data, it's a lot of work to to the next Android, without using another custom ROM. With the Factory ROM, I can unroot and even get the factory recovery back in place if I need to and away I go!
Besides this, if I use a cutom ROM and let's say then KitKat is available for my device, what if only one developer(s) has put out a custom ROM with KitKat for me and I do not like their ROM? With the Factory ROM, I can update and then I can teak this and that, to get the experience I want, without cutting off the factory update channel.
Anyway, that's my take and my experience. You may completely disagree with all of it. <lol>
So the bottom line is, I was hoping to get just a flashable Kernel to add to my Factory ROM (Rooted) and a way to install it and that's it.
To the next fellow that responded, to me, it does need overclocking. Mine runs very slow quite often. Slower than my old Galaxy Tab 10.1" a lot of the time. The TF700T I had a while back would blow this thing's doors off!
But I blame the Jelly Bean 4.3 version of Android, because I know what this thing should be able to do and I have read a lot of speed complaints across devices with JB 4.3.
And don't you dare disagree! I choose to believe this, because if you burst that bubble on me, I'll be running down the street screaming, while pulling my hair out! Hahaha!
Thanks to both of you for responding to my post and letting me know what the current situation is. I appreciate you taking the time to do that for me.
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I am going to disagree and also say you have something wrong with your device. Out of the box the TF701 is one of the fastest android devices out there. Once you put a custom ROM on it it is even faster. And that is with out over clocking. Right now the CPU is not the bottle neck trust me.
The fact that you said your TF700 blows it out of the water indicates there is something seriously wrong. Go and run some benchmarks and give us some evidence where it is slow and maybe we can help you.
BTW I made a stock rooted ROM if you want to try messing.
Also are you using a microsd card. Maybe that is causing your issues. It's happened to a lot of others. Try removing it.
If I'm not mistaken, even if u unlock and install custom ROM, u can STILL return to stock and apply ota updates from Asus as they are released. So ur not cutting ur channel to getting latest stock updates. U just need to install stock firmware, and then place latest Asus firmware (ex: KitKat) in root of SD and reboot. U will update to the latest stock firmware. The only difference is that u won't receive the ota AUTOMATICALLY to us device rather u manually install it. Which is good as u won't have to WAIT for Asus to push the ota to ur device.
As for speeds, don't even compare the tf700 to tf701. If ur is running slow than ur tf700, then u SERIOUSLY have problems with ur device. Best way to find out is try running benchmarks and compare scores to tf700.
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If I'm not mistaken, even if u unlock and install custom ROM, u can STILL return to stock and apply ota updates from Asus as they are released. So ur not cutting ur channel to getting latest stock updates. U just need to install stock firmware, and then place latest Asus firmware (ex: KitKat) in root of SD and reboot. U will update to the latest stock firmware. The only difference is that u won't receive the ota AUTOMATICALLY to us device rather u manually install it. Which is good as u won't have to WAIT for Asus to push the ota to ur device.
As for speeds, don't even compare the tf700 to tf701. If ur is running slow than ur tf700, then u SERIOUSLY have problems with ur device. Best way to find out is try running benchmarks and compare scores to tf700.
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You can't do OTA but you can do full stock firmware installs.
sbdags said:
You can't do OTA but you can do full stock firmware installs.
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Ota are firmwares that Asus pushes to our device "over the air"?
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zabih107 said:
Ota are firmwares that Asus pushes to our device "over the air"?
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Exactly.
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So yes, ur not "cutting ur channel" to being on the latest stock Asus firmware Mr. Zeuszoos.
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sbdags said:
I am going to disagree and also say you have something wrong with your device. Out of the box the TF701 is one of the fastest android devices out there. Once you put a custom ROM on it it is even faster. And that is with out over clocking. Right now the CPU is not the bottle neck trust me.
The fact that you said your TF700 blows it out of the water indicates there is something seriously wrong. Go and run some benchmarks and give us some evidence where it is slow and maybe we can help you.
BTW I made a stock rooted ROM if you want to try messing.
Also are you using a microsd card. Maybe that is causing your issues. It's happened to a lot of others. Try removing it.
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What benchmark do you use? I have the Pay version of that one that starts with a "Q"? Quadrant, or something like that.
I do have an External SD Card installed, but I always do, so it's apples and apples, ya know?
I do have a very fast SD Card, one of those UHC-10's, or something to that effect. I think it's supposed to be the fastest one out there right now.
I've actually been pretty fortunate when it comes to SD Cards. My devices have always run exactly the same, with or without them installed.
As for this device, I was originally running it without one. Had to wait for them to arrive. But again, I noticed no difference in how it performs.
My biggest slowdowns are waiting for the screen to draw and for a file operation to start, etc., et al. And I have even installed an SD booster, which did smooth it out pretty well, compared to what it was, but it's still not so fast.
But I get what you're saying. I ran it ithout modifications at first and it had JB 4.1.2 at first (mine did not come with 4.3) and it ran great! But once I installed JB 4.3, well, that pretty much ended my daily cherring that I was doin in the direction of my Tablet.
As for speed, I know that you're right about custom ROMs, especially with the CM ROMs. I know they're wicked fast!
But remember my friend, I didn't mention speed when I discussed custom ROMs.
My choice to stay with the Factory ROM, has nothing to do with speed. I stay with it only for the reason that I mentioned.
I appreciate your offer of help. I really do! And I would have provided a benchmark, but I wasn't sure which one you'd find acceptable.
Oh, I remember the name now! Quadrant!
Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
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Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
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I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
Zeuszoos said:
What benchmark do you use? I have the Pay version of that one that starts with a "Q"? Quadrant, or something like that.
I do have an External SD Card installed, but I always do, so it's apples and apples, ya know?
I do have a very fast SD Card, one of those UHC-10's, or something to that effect. I think it's supposed to be the fastest one out there right now.
I've actually been pretty fortunate when it comes to SD Cards. My devices have always run exactly the same, with or without them installed.
As for this device, I was originally running it without one. Had to wait for them to arrive. But again, I noticed no difference in how it performs.
My biggest slowdowns are waiting for the screen to draw and for a file operation to start, etc., et al. And I have even installed an SD booster, which did smooth it out pretty well, compared to what it was, but it's still not so fast.
But I get what you're saying. I ran it ithout modifications at first and it had JB 4.1.2 at first (mine did not come with 4.3) and it ran great! But once I installed JB 4.3, well, that pretty much ended my daily cherring that I was doin in the direction of my Tablet.
As for speed, I know that you're right about custom ROMs, especially with the CM ROMs. I know they're wicked fast!
But remember my friend, I didn't mention speed when I discussed custom ROMs.
My choice to stay with the Factory ROM, has nothing to do with speed. I stay with it only for the reason that I mentioned.
I appreciate your offer of help. I really do! And I would have provided a benchmark, but I wasn't sure which one you'd find acceptable.
Oh, I remember the name now! Quadrant!
Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
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Trust me I know how the stock ROM runs. In quadrant you should get 15,000+ which isn't slow. You'll also see from the breakdown that the CPU is not the bottle neck. Tweaked and customised you'll see 18,000
Do me a favour get rid of that SD software and remove the sdcard, reboot. Run quadrant. What do you get....?
Time for a factory reset?
berndblb said:
I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
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Not confusing the two. I know what I'm typing on, my friend.
I personally do not even like custom ROMs based on the Factory ROM. You still have to wipe and install again when the new version comes out (if it does) and since that takes me 2-3 days of setup, I don't want to do that. And when, as I said, on my Note 2, I installed a custom ROM, it was also based on the Factory ROM and was v4.1.2, but when v4.3 came out, guess what? There would be no new ROM versions to replace the one I had, because the developer got rid of his Note 2, so that meant a wipe/reset and starting from scratch!
No with a straight Factory ROM, that would not be necessary when an update came out.
Again, I'm not knocking custom ROMs. In fact, the developer did one heck of a nice job with the one I installed on my Note 2! But I just do not wish to go through that and so, I left my Note 2 at v4.1.2 and even sold it with that custom ROM still installd on it (they knew everything, I didn't hide anything from the buyer and they liked it as it was).
You have to understand, that with settin up folders, installing my apps, which is about 375 of them and tweaking the settings in each and every one of them, as I'm going through them, Install/Tweak, Install/Tweak, etc., et al, it can easily take me 2-3 days of work to set up my device again, so Factory Resets do not get done to my devices! I fix problems, I don't erase them!
Anyway, I have been a "Computer/Electronics Tech" for 30 years and taught the stuff as well, so while I'm not a programmer and I'm not an Android "exoert", I do know what my eyes are looking at and I can follow instructions.
So I approached it logically, when it felt sluggish to me and before setting everything up on my Tablet, I did run benchmarks. And I did not have the SD Card installed in the slot yet, being well aware that they can cause performance issues.
And what I did to minimize any possible impact, was to buy the fastest performing Micro-SD Card out there and ran benchmarked both before and after it's installation and saw no impact from it, which surpised me a bit, but never-the-less, there was no impact on my device.
But here's teh thing that I must not have made clear; When I'm running a game or something, it runs great! It's the average little "always doing those things" sort of stuff that's sluggish. Like when you flip an app to the background and you're expecting the screen to redraw and show your icons/shortcuts/whatever you want to call them. Me? That's when I sit and wait. That's just one example.
As for custom ROMs, like I said, not knocking them at all. KJust not a fan of them, because putting the new one on (after OS update has come out) involves wiping and starting from scratch and when you have almost 400 apps installed, it's a 2-3 days job! And I simply do not believe people that claim that they do it a couple of hours and that's it. It takes a lot longer than that, just to !tap "Install" for each one and get the apps on your device
As I said, I had a custom ROM on my Note 2 and like the one you mentioned, it was based on the Factory ROM.
But guess wat happened? The developer got rid of his Note 2, which meant (as he said), no update and so anyone who wanted to go up in their OS version now had to wipe and start from scratch!
As a side note, personally, I do not like it when people are so quick to say; "Just perform a Factory Reset", because they do not know what's involved in that for a number o people. Plus, to me, no offense to anyone, it just seems to me like giving up. I'd much rather figure out how to make it work. But I find lots of people always saying "Factory Reset!", for every little problem and to me, that just doesn't make sense (I'm not saying that it wouldnt, or wouldn't in this case)! I'd much rather have the Factory ROM, Rooted, with an OC Kernel. Then get rid of all of those apps that they know we don't want, but wish to annoy us for a while with them.
So I'm looking to stay with the Factory ROM, without bloat and an OC Kernel. But I have to admit, the ROM that you mentioned does sound intriguing to me! Any links to it?
I guess I'm a bit worried that 4.4.3 will come out right after I install the ROM you mentioned, but I do want to check it out! Who knows? Maybe I'll stick with it and just never change out the ROM.
What ver of Android is it again and did you provide a link for it? I'm in "Reply" mode hereand cannot see your post. right now.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!!
Btw, Quadrant ht 18 thousand. But like I said, it's not the running of apps/games once they've started up. It's the basic stuff and starting up of big apps (star apps, games, etc.) that's not fun!
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I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
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Read my other reply that I just finished, but go thru it carefully, please.
As for this ROM, I wish you had pasted in a link. I might have even tried it. But I just spent 3 days setting this thing up two weeks ago and that's a lot to go thru again! Especially so soon after doing it!
And no, I won't believe you if you claim I should be able to do it in a couple of hours. You do not know my setup.
As for it being something I did, that's quite rude and you do have an attitude. You do not even know me and I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me that I am the only person in the world that waits for a screen to draw, just because it's a 701. That's a ridiculous claim! And you should ask yourself why your ego tells you that if YOU can't find it in the whole minutes that you spent looking for it, that means that it doesn't exist. Apparently you feel that it should all come to you. That's ego.
But hey, maybe I'm just deluded, or on drugs. Or maybe I hit my head falling out of a tree. Or maybe I just don't know anything about electronic devices. I mean after all, YOU could not find it, which MUST mean that it does NOT exist! But let me quote something to you regarding this Tab and 4.3, which is what I said slowed mine down;
"4.3 for the TF701T is on Asus's web site... The I/O has slowed it down to a crawl."
Since you don't like to paste in links and prefer to slam me instead, I won't paste the link in for you either.
I have openly stated that I am not a programmer. I am also not an Android "expert". I do know a lot about the subject, but I am by no means an expert.
What I do have for qualifications, is being a compluter/electronics technician (a real one,) for 30 years and an instructor of everything from sub-atomic teory (which is involved, believe it or not), all the way up to Global Wireless Networking, including satellite technology (and by that, I mean anything involved). And when I say all of this, I mean going anywhere from the overview, down to the board and chip level of every device involved.
I'm not saying any of this to brag. I'm simply showing you what an idiot you are for assuming that you know what I know and what I don't know. And for just assuming that I did something wrong, stating it as an incontrovertable fact!
The bottom line is, it ran nice and smooth in all operations, until I performed the system update to JB v4.3 and then, while games/large apps run beautifully, starting them up is very sluggish! And o is waiting for the screen to redraw after a simple operation like throwing an app to the background.
As for the ROM, like I said, I might have even tried it, even not being a fan of custom ROMs, because it's based on the Factory ROM and if it's a KitKat v4.4.2 for the TF701T, ten I would probably go for it and just leave it at that OS level for as long as I owned the Tablet.
But if it's a JB v4.3 ROM, whether based on the Factory ROM or not, then I'm simply not interested at all, no way, period. I see no point in redoing my entire setup, just so that I can go from v4.3, to v4.3.
I'm sorry to be so blunt in this reply, but you didn't exactly leave a lot of room for friendliness. Especially not with your "Face it! YOU did something wrong!". In truth, that was a comment that was just plain silly! And one that was not based on any facts that you gathered, but rather, just your assumptions about me. And that, my "friend", whether you want to hear it or not, is pure ego!
I'll take a look for that ROM. But as we both know, if I can't find it, that means that it was never written, right? And of course, as we all know, that would also mean that YOU did something WRONG when you mentioned it, right?
Update: I just searched XDA for "TF701T" "ROM" "sbadgs" and it responded with zero results. Guess that means that YOU did something WRONG! <lol!>
sbdags said:
Trust me I know how the stock ROM runs. In quadrant you should get 15,000+ which isn't slow. You'll also see from the breakdown that the CPU is not the bottle neck. Tweaked and customised you'll see 18,000
Do me a favour get rid of that SD software and remove the sdcard, reboot. Run quadrant. What do you get....?
Time for a factory reset?
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I believe you do, my friend! I was not doubting you on that at all!
I did just notice that you are the guy making the custom ROM being discussed here. That's cool. To talk to the source, I mean.
I am not interested though. Not because of the quality of your work or anything. From the discussion here, it seems like a great product! I'm just not interested in spending days setting up again, just to go from v4.3, to JB v4.3, that's all.
But if I were to install a ROM, I'm quite sure that it would be yours, as I do very much appreciate retaining the factory experience and getting rid of as much bloatware as possible!
Just FYI, I did strip out at least 2/3 of the bloatware that comes with the ASUS Factory ROM.
Just as a note; If your ROM was KitKat v4.4.2 and you did what you did to this v4.3 ROM, then in all truth, I probably would install it and just leave it at that forever and enjoy your ROM!
Unless you can tell me that I could install your ROM over the Factory ROM and I won't lose my apps? I know that can be done in certain circumstances and of course, when the factory puts out a ROM update, it does do exactly that and you do not lose your apps, nor any of your own data.
If I cannot do that with your ROM, could you please tell me why I should change my mind and install yours anyway?
Please understand, I'm not asking that out of vanity, nor am I intending to be demanding.
Instead, I am genuinely asking a sincere question. I am actually going for humility, not vanity here, in that I recognize that no one is going to know your ROM better than you and I'm thinking that due to your superior knowledge (that's not meant to be patronizing), you would be able to tell me (if you feel so inclined) to tell me what important advantages I might gin from your custom ROM, that I do not currently possess,
As for where I am right now, of course I am on Jelly Bean v4.3.
I have also stripped out the majority of the bloatware that comes from the factory and so, it is not a case in which I just have a ton of stuff running wild on my tablet, eating up resources and thus, performance.
Again, just FYI, I am also running "Greenify", as well as "BootManager" (Defim Utils) and of course, "App Quarantine" for anything that might slip through my barricades <lol!>
So I leave it up to you, my friend. If you are so inclined (if not, then I appreciate the time you gave me already), what is it that should really draw me to your ROM, versus what I already have/have done?
Once again, THANK YOU for your time! I REALLY DO appreciate it!!!
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I believe you do, my friend! I was not doubting you on that at all!
I did just notice that you are the guy making the custom ROM being discussed here. That's cool. To talk to the source, I mean.
I am not interested though. Not because of the quality of your work or anything. From the discussion here, it seems like a great product! I'm just not interested in spending days setting up again, just to go from v4.3, to JB v4.3, that's all.
But if I were to install a ROM, I'm quite sure that it would be yours, as I do very much appreciate retaining the factory experience and getting rid of as much bloatware as possible!
Just FYI, I did strip out at least 2/3 of the bloatware that comes with the ASUS Factory ROM.
Just as a note; If your ROM was KitKat v4.4.2 and you did what you did to this v4.3 ROM, then in all truth, I probably would install it and just leave it at that forever and enjoy your ROM!
Unless you can tell me that I could install your ROM over the Factory ROM and I won't lose my apps? I know that can be done in certain circumstances and of course, when the factory puts out a ROM update, it does do exactly that and you do not lose your apps, nor any of your own data.
If I cannot do that with your ROM, could you please tell me why I should change my mind and install yours anyway?
Please understand, I'm not asking that out of vanity, nor am I intending to be demanding.
Instead, I am genuinely asking a sincere question. I am actually going for humility, not vanity here, in that I recognize that no one is going to know your ROM better than you and I'm thinking that due to your superior knowledge (that's not meant to be patronizing), you would be able to tell me (if you feel so inclined) to tell me what important advantages I might gin from your custom ROM, that I do not currently possess,
As for where I am right now, of course I am on Jelly Bean v4.3.
I have also stripped out the majority of the bloatware that comes from the factory and so, it is not a case in which I just have a ton of stuff running wild on my tablet, eating up resources and thus, performance.
Again, just FYI, I am also running "Greenify", as well as "BootManager" (Defim Utils) and of course, "App Quarantine" for anything that might slip through my barricades <lol!>
So I leave it up to you, my friend. If you are so inclined (if not, then I appreciate the time you gave me already), what is it that should really draw me to your ROM, versus what I already have/have done?
Once again, THANK YOU for your time! I REALLY DO appreciate it!!!
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Well you can install my ROM over the top and it would keep your apps and data. However the Asus unlock tool wipes the device But you can use the Asus backup tool to backup and then restore afterwards. You'll lose 15 minutes of your life doing it and you could do something more important during that time
Anyway you haven't run quadrant. I also don't like or recommend apps like greenify and bootmanager as they can and do introduce problems. You seem to be running a lot of background stuff. Why? Just unlock, flash my ROM, choose only the apps you want and be done with it
BTW I also created a 4.4.2 based ROM in original dev but it is still beta and doesn't support the Asus apps although it runs most other stuff fine.
sbdags said:
Well you can install my ROM over the top and it would keep your apps and data. However the Asus unlock tool wipes the device But you can use the Asus backup tool to backup and then restore afterwards. You'll lose 15 minutes of your life doing it and you could do something more important during that time
Anyway you haven't run quadrant. I also don't like or recommend apps like greenify and bootmanager as they can and do introduce problems. You seem to be running a lot of background stuff. Why? Just unlock, flash my ROM, choose only the apps you want and be done with it
BTW I also created a 4.4.2 based ROM in original dev but it is still beta and doesn't support the Asus apps although it runs most other stuff fine.
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I do get what you're saying and thanks for the info. But to address a few points:
1) I did run Quadrant and stated that it hit 18k.
2) I also stated that I don't have a problem with how apps run. The problem I see with speed, as I've said a couple of times, is the basic stuff, like exiting an app and waiting for the screen to draw, shortcuts getting created, stuff like that. The basic stuff. But once an app does come up (which seems delayed to me), it runs smooth as glass!
3) As for what I'm choosing to run in the background, you don't usually choose to do that. Apps do that all by themselves when you install them. That's why I said that setting up for me is not a 2 hour affair, but a 2 day affair. Because I go into the settings for each and every app I install and disable that stuff whenever possible.
4) The reason I use a bootmanager and Greenify, is because Task Managers (an erroneous title for those apps) kill the apps, but not the problem. The apps just start right back up again. I prefer to change the settings in an app and for those that don't allow that, I keep them from running in the first place. Then they only run when I want to use them. For example, I do not have news apps updating in the background. I update them manually after I open them.
5) I do not care about running the Asus apps. I have removed all of those that I can, except a couple of necessary ones. If you have a 4.4.2 ROM that will run stable, I would be interested in testing it for you once you consider it to be "finished". I'm using that term loosely of course, meaning that there will always be some sort of bugs in any piece of software that's out there.
You've been very kind and very helpful. Thank you for your time!
Also, I am a tech and have been for 30 years. So if there's ever any hardware, or Windows (I know) questions you have, please feel free to PM me and I'll give you my personal email address there. I appreciate community and people like you help to make it one! I sincerely mean that!
As for your ROM, I'm going to wait for you to come out with a KitKat ROM and then install that. I assume it will be after ASUS releases the OS update???
It's fine, because I've got some othr priojects, like trying to convince my LG Optimus F6 that the 32GB External SD Card is actually its Internal Storage. There actually is a way to do it, but so far, I can't get it to do anything more than swap the two while it's running. Once I reboot it, it says; "Nuh, Uh!!!".
Do you have your own thread where you announce your stuff? I'd like to keep up to date with your new releases. I don't trust stuff from too many people, but as far as how a ROM should be done, you and I seem to be on the same page. Just what you need and then customize it with apps yourself.
P.S.: I'm still interested in OverClocking this thing. For me, the rule is as follows: "Does it run? Yes? Then it needs to be overclocked!".
I.e., Asking ME if it needs to be overclocked is kind of like taking my friend Jeff shopping for his next motorcycle. He was looking at two of them. He asked about the top speed. The sales guy told him one went up to 160MPH and the other to 170MPH. The salesman then said; "But at that speed, does the 10MPH really matter?".
My friend Jeff looked at him with a very serious face and eyes wide open and said; "Of course it does!!!".
My philosophy with Porsches and computing devices.
Thanks again!