Anyone else having trouble going back a non-safe system from safe with ICS ROMS?
Other thing I noticed is that safestrap wont let me toss a new ROM onto a non-safe system. Normal?
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I remember it happened to me a while back on an older version of safe strap. On the latest version of safestrap it just recently to happen to me except I could not go from non safe to safe. I had an eclipse rom on safe. But others have told me that the eclipse rom does not play well with safe strap. However it is by design with the current version of safe strap that it will not allow you to install a custom rom on the non safe side.
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Other thing I noticed is that safestrap wont let me toss a new ROM onto a non-safe system. Normal?
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Yes this is normal. The whole point of safestrap is to leave the stock (unsafe) system alone and only flash ROMs in the safe system.
I know hashcode0f has been working on updates to safestrap. New versions were released tonight for droid4 and razr (I think) and I hope bionic is next in line.
Might be a good idea to give him a shout and share you experience...
Well if problems happen with Eclipse then that is understandable since it is my non-safe system.
I personally know enough of how to get back and forth and restore if I run into problems. For me it's a non-safe daily driver and a safe CM9 or AOKP.
Anyway, thanks guys. That really cleared a few things up.
Once a boot mode toggle has failed do you, or anyone else, know of a way to get back to a normal functioning safestrap?
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Hey Guys, I don't think this has been posted before, so thought I'd share. I managed to get CM9 working with my Bell XT860 *without* needing to change up the phone using another country's fastboot file.
My phone was Bell 2.3.6, rooted, otherwise stock. I used Hashcode's safestrap to make a nandroid backup and install the latest patched CM9 from Rick#2 available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1465297
I actually didn't expect it to boot up, but thought I'd give it a go since even if it failed the worst that could happen is that I'd have to SBF anyways.
At first it was a black screen, I had to do a battery pull. After the battery went back in, it started booting up with the animation screen, which showed multiple times over about 5-10 minutes. Then the phone started up Ice Cream Sandwich!
I've been testing it out a bit.. not much yet, but Market is working, data 3g seems to be working 2700 kbps up / 1341 kbps down (with a server that's super far away, 321ms ping). GPS is working... Wifi good. Camera does not work.
Wow, I never expected this. I think this gives hope to those who want to try out Ice Cream Sandwich but still want the ability to go back to stock. Or am I missing something?
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Hey Guys, I don't think this has been posted before, so thought I'd share. I managed to get CM9 working with my Bell XT860 *without* needing to change up the phone using another country's fastboot file.
My phone was Bell 2.3.6, rooted, otherwise stock. I used Hashcode's safestrap to make a nandroid backup and install the latest patched CM9 from Rick#2 available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1465297
I actually didn't expect it to boot up, but thought I'd give it a go since even if it failed the worst that could happen is that I'd have to SBF anyways.
At first it was a black screen, I had to do a battery pull. After the battery went back in, it started booting up with the animation screen, which showed multiple times over about 5-10 minutes. Then the phone started up Ice Cream Sandwich!
I've been testing it out a bit.. not much yet, but Market is working, data 3g seems to be working 2700 kbps up / 1341 kbps down (with a server that's super far away, 321ms ping). GPS is working... Wifi good. Camera does not work.
Wow, I never expected this. I think this gives hope to those who want to try out Ice Cream Sandwich but still want the ability to go back to stock. Or am I missing something?
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If you bootloop while in safe mode DON'T SBF. Safestrap works by renaming /system to /systemorig and making /preinstall your new /system.
This means when you're in safemode you can always access recovery. So if you bootloop just battery pull to get out of the loop and then you'll e able to hit menu and enter safestrap. Either flash a different rom or return to nonsafe. If you are using safestrap 1.08 and not 1.08d you can't even flash nonsafe mode (1.08d is tweaked to allow advanced user to flash over their nonsafe, for example I have both liberty and eclipse roms on my phone no stock at all)
Also first boot of a rom always takes a long time. After that it should boot much faster
As another note if you do manage to screw up /systemorig somehow you can use motofastboot utility to flash just the system.img part of the SBF package. This will only replace the rom, then you just reboot, install safestrap and restore you backup.
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Wow, thanks for the warning, very good information! It's so good to be able to try some custom roms again. I'm out of CM9 already for lack of camera but so far am really impressed with Liberty, it's like my phone has come to life again. Very quick and responsive, amazing ability to customize as well.
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If you bootloop while in safe mode DON'T SBF. Safestrap works by renaming /system to /systemorig and making /preinstall your new /system.
This means when you're in safemode you can always access recovery. So if you bootloop just battery pull to get out of the loop and then you'll e able to hit menu and enter safestrap. Either flash a different rom or return to nonsafe. If you are using safestrap 1.08 and not 1.08d you can't even flash nonsafe mode (1.08d is tweaked to allow advanced user to flash over their nonsafe, for example I have both liberty and eclipse roms on my phone no stock at all)
Also first boot of a rom always takes a long time. After that it should boot much faster
As another note if you do manage to screw up /systemorig somehow you can use motofastboot utility to flash just the system.img part of the SBF package. This will only replace the rom, then you just reboot, install safestrap and restore you backup.
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hi there ,i using 1.08d and try to flash willis111's bell 2.3.6 rom ,and I want to flash it to the orig system ,not the preinstall ,but every I flashed it ,the my xt860 restart and into the ori rom(2.3.5 bra),not the bell 2.3.6.
here is what i do
1 restart my xt860,and press menu
2 in the safestrap,wipe date ,format system ,then in advance flash .zip nonsafe
3 restart my xt860,and still the 2.3.5 bra rom ..
sorry for my bad English ,and great thx
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(1.08d is tweaked to allow advanced user to flash over their nonsafe, for example I have both liberty and eclipse roms on my phone no stock at all)
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all I want to know is how to ....thxxxxxxxxx
That's how it should be done
Last time I flashed my /systemorig was before 1.08d had been released so I did it co ming off a fresh fastboot flash using bootstrap to flash liberty, then installed safestrap. I haven't found a rom to replace liberty in my /systemorig yet so I haven't tried the advance flash yet. Sorry.
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hi there ,i using 1.08d and try to flash willis111's bell 2.3.6 rom
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Hi
i' desperate for willis111's bell 2.3.6 rom but can't download from rapidshar, there is a way you upload the file to non-repidsher site?
Thanks ahead
droidth3ory has a new version of ICS out now. Here's the link to his post. I take no credit for it, other than letting users of XDA know about it.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/18639-axi0m-b-cm9-403-2182012/
What's different from this and the older version on 2/14 different Dec never heard of axiom or whatever it is ??
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It seems to be a little faster. At least for me it did. You also don't have to flash google apps separately.
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Data fix is Mich simpler too !!!
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What's different from this and the older version on 2/14 different Dec never heard of axiom or whatever it is ??
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well... he did kinda say it was new, that could be why you haven't heard of it. Not trying to be rude, but I mean just check out the link and I'm sure your questions will be answered...and the main thing is that th3ory had released a statement saying he was done developing , so if this is indeed a new release that's quite exciting. idk, i haven't been online much this past week due to classes so I don't know if this is now considered 'old' news but as soon as I read the link im sure i'll know.
...........and this is new EXCITING news.... so just read the features list or changelog if you wnat to know what is different.
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well... he did kinda say it was new, that could be why you haven't heard of it. Not trying to be rude, but I mean just check out the link and I'm sure your questions will be answered...and the main thing is that th3ory had released a statement saying he was done developing , so if this is indeed a new release that's quite exciting. idk, i haven't been online much this past week due to classes so I don't know if this is now considered 'old' news but as soon as I read the link im sure i'll know.
...........and this is new EXCITING news.... so just read the features list or changelog if you wnat to know what is different.
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In my first android's forum, they would have released some form of dragon on him, and many other bionic users.
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I am new to using safestrap. I am on Eclipse and want to try this ROM. When I want to revert back, is it easier just to do a restore? The installation steps seem to be the same except for the factory wipe. Why does this have to be done?
For those using this ROM how is the connectivity?
You need a clean partition to install on. That's why you have to wipe before installing. If you don't, you could end up with junk from the other rom still on there and causing the new rom problems.
Far as reverting back, you may want to install eclipse on nonsafe so you can just toggle from safe to nonsafe. If you plan on installing both on safe, you will have to wipe everything each time you switch back and forth.
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If you use eclipse as your daily rom, I suggest installing bootstrap and using it to install eclipse. Then after doing that, install safe strap again and use that to install ics. We have more ics coming out still and you don't want anything but ics on the safe and your regular rom on nonsafe. We will probably see at least 2-3 more versions of ics.
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That is a good idea. As to installing Eclipse in the unsafe partition. I need to make a complete backup of the current safe system. Then toggle from safe to unsafe and do the restore?
What happens when another OTA update comes from Verizon?
More ICS questions when I get that far.
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That is a good idea. As to installing Eclipse in the unsafe partition. I need to make a complete backup of the current safe system. Then toggle from safe to unsafe and do the restore?
What happens when another OTA update comes from Verizon?
More ICS questions when I get that far.
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Your probably going to have to start with a fresh install of eclipse from bootstrap. Backups from safe strap and bootstrap aren't compatible with each other from my understanding.
When another update comes, we may have to go back to stock to install it.
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There has been a new version of ics released since this came out the other day.
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If I do not want to use bootstrap, then if I want to revert from tbis ICS version, it is either restore a Safe backup of Eclipse or reinstall the .zip file after the appropriate data,cache wipes?
What do you have running on your nonsafe partition?
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I've never restored a safe partition backup to the nonsafe partition. I've only used the safe to play around with new roms while keeping my main rom on nonsafe. Each time I play with a new rom, I clear everything in safe and write over the last rom I played with. Safe mode is like my Android's playground.
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in the unsafe partition is Verizon's 2.3.4 .902. The safe one has Eclipse.
I just backed up the safe partition. After I try out this ROM, is it recommended to restore today's save to the safe partition or just reload Eclipse from scratch?
I'd keep a backup of stock made, put eclipse on nonsafe, and leave safe for playing around with ics. Sounds like the first thing you should do is back up your stock. After that, install eclipse over it. You may be able to restore a backup of eclipse over it. If you can't, you will have to temporarily install bootstrap, wipe data/cache/etc and flash a fresh copy of eclipse then reinstall safe strap. After reinstalling safe strap, switch to safe and install ics and you will have eclipse on nonsafe and ics on safe.
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I think that is a good goal for when I gain more experience. For now, I will try to flash this ROM and after a while then restore form my Eclipse backup. If that does not work, I can always reflash from the Eclipse .zip file.
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I think that is a good goal for when I gain more experience. For now, I will try to flash this ROM and after a while then restore form my Eclipse backup. If that does not work, I can always reflash from the Eclipse .zip file.
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There's only one way to get experience, go out there and do it.
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I was unable to install this ROM as it seem to loop for over 10 minutes. My Eclipse backup would not restore so I had to reflash it.
Is the a special order for this ROM: do the format system and deletes before selecting the. Zip file need to be the order to proceed in?
So im looking to start playing with my stock rom. I have safestrap. I want to be able to get the stock bionic rom on my safe side. I know that you cannot use your unsafe recovery image to flash into your safe side. Causes a black screen that acts like you didnt flash a thing. I know unsafe works still as eclispe and axiom will flash and run.
What i want is a completely stock bionic rom (2.3.4 and ether 902 or 904 compatble) so that i can start playing with it. Id rather not mess with the unsafe stock just in case ( knock on wood).
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i think as close as you are going to get is the kin3x rom link are hard to find as well...
Sigh thank you for the reply. Guess ill go digging thru cyberspace now for that rom
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ok so heres the deal. i already have the file downloaded via the updater in the settings already to get installed. but i used rom toolkit to modify my status bar and install a custom bootanimation as well as a few other things like that. do i have to use rsd lite and a full 902 fxz file to do a full sweep and clean recovery before installing 905? also does it require me to uninstall safestrap? i'm not entirely sure if anyone else has answered these questions as i don't know if anyone else has done these kind of things before upgrading to 905. i plan on installing the ICS leak after installing 905 thats why i wish to know these things as i'd rather not screw up my phone after i've put so much time and effort into making it the way i want it you know? OH one other question! i know that the ICS leak is rootable does that mean safestrap is also ICS leak friendly?
I believe you should be able to just run the update and the Bionic will reboot into stock recovery. I would create a nandroid just to be safe so you can restore if something goes wrong. I read somewhere that the ICS leak requires you to eliminate safestrap though I am not sure if that is true or not.
I decidex to go thd longer safer route of rsd lol. But i rooted the leak and safestrapped it and it still works so yay!!!! Lol
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So you can successfully dual boot with safe strap on the leak? Great to hear!
I have my Droid 3 working with the Stock rom and the safetrap using MiniMoto. Right now with all the changes I have made to it it works good, now I want to move it from safetrap to the phone as the default rom, I haven't found much info of going from safetrap to flash into the phone, any ideas?
As far as I know, I see that I would have to use the rsd, but I see that it flashes img files, I just have the zip file from the latest minimoto so... I am lost here.
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I have my Droid 3 working with the Stock rom and the safetrap using MiniMoto. Right now with all the changes I have made to it it works good, now I want to move it from safetrap to the phone as the default rom, I haven't found much info of going from safetrap to flash into the phone, any ideas?
As far as I know, I see that I would have to use the rsd, but I see that it flashes img files, I just have the zip file from the latest minimoto so... I am lost here.
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AFAIK there is no way to transfer a rom from safestrap to the stock system.
As a thought, and I have no idea if this would work, if you're using safestrap 3+ it saves custom roms as image files on the sd and mounts then for use. Logically you could try flashing this image file using motofastboot but I'm just talking out my ass, so...
If you're on an older safestrap, I had an idea about this once, I'll see if I can find the post I wrote when I get off work. I never tried it but it made sense to me
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I see...
So, just to be clear, to flash over stock it has to be an img file. The rom developer must have this option instead of zip? I'm looking to replace the stock rom with something less bloated like MiniMoto but as far as I see most of the Droid 3 roms apparently only run on Safestrap (I have the latest version 3.5) Damn I was looking to move all to the phone system so it would run a little bit faster
P.D.: Are there roms that could be flashed to replace the stock one then?
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So, just to be clear, to flash over stock it has to be an img file. The rom developer must have this option instead of zip? I'm looking to replace the stock rom with something less bloated like MiniMoto but as far as I see most of the Droid 3 roms apparently only run on Safestrap (I have the latest version 3.5) Damn I was looking to move all to the phone system so it would run a little bit faster
P.D.: Are there roms that could be flashed to replace the stock one then?
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Any rom can be flashed over stock, just not worth safestrap. You need plain old bootstrap app. However that doesn't help you move an existing rom install(which is what I thought you were asking)
I don't use safestrap on my phone and have minimoto installed as my stock rom. Just be aware brick recovery can be more difficult as I've had issues getting back into cwm after flashing a rom. Rsdlite will still get you back to stock no problem though so not that big a deal
Here is a http://db.tt/rNhVQCsclink for bootstrap. You'll need to boot into stock system and completely remove safestrap before you install this. I like to rsdlite or fastboot to complete stock personally, but not strictly necessary. Safestrap backups are not compatible with cwm. I can't fully guarantee this bootstrap works. I use a milestone version(since I have the XT860).
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So, to understand, I could flash minimoto over stock, but not use safestrap later? I had the idea to have flashed minimoto over stock and then a safestrap with other minimoto, if one fails I can go over the other and make changes accordingly. Bad or good idea?
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So, to understand, I could flash minimoto over stock, but not use safestrap later? I had the idea to have flashed minimoto over stock and then a safestrap with other minimoto, if one fails I can go over the other and make changes accordingly. Bad or good idea?
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Once you've flashed minimoto to stock you can remove the bootstrap and reinstall safestrap, yes. It seems redundant to have 2 versions of the same rom flashed to the phone, seems like less effort to just make sure to backup before making any changes, but it's your phone to do with as you will.
I don't use safestrap because I don't care about being able to reflash my phone. I hate this thing and am just waiting for it to die so I can replace it.
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:cyclops::cyclops: is not such a bad phone, if it just had more ram it would be fine. But 512Mb is just not enough (never ever )
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:cyclops::cyclops: is not such a bad phone, if it just had more ram it would be fine. But 512Mb is just not enough (never ever )
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And it's stuck on gb. I can't listen to music and have my running app open. One of them will close due to lack of ram. Keyboard sucks ass on mine. Button presses only register half the time. Same for the capacitive keys. Apps often take up to 10 seconds to Open(probably because it needs to clear ram)
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So, just to be sure (sorry for the delay, on monday I am officially on vacation so I was doing all the make up work that I had to do :fingers-crossed: )
I can flash minimoto over stock
Then install safe trap and install minimoto on the rom slot
Why?
Because I like minimoto and I have found that for this phone and my lifestyle it fits really well, the problem is that on safestrap mode I believe the lag is because he's reading some stuff from the sdcard and the internal memory (both I think and believe (I could be wrong, I am just an advanced user ) are slower than the reserved space for the rom itself), so I will start from scratch again install only the programs I really need on the phone rom and leave the safestrap rom for those scenarios where the phone is stuck on something.
Is that all virtually correct and possible, right?
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So, just to be sure (sorry for the delay, on monday I am officially on vacation so I was doing all the make up work that I had to do :fingers-crossed: )
I can flash minimoto over stock
Then install safe trap and install minimoto on the rom slot
Why?
Because I like minimoto and I have found that for this phone and my lifestyle it fits really well, the problem is that on safestrap mode I believe the lag is because he's reading some stuff from the sdcard and the internal memory (both I think and believe (I could be wrong, I am just an advanced user ) are slower than the reserved space for the rom itself), so I will start from scratch again install only the programs I really need on the phone rom and leave the safestrap rom for those scenarios where the phone is stuck on something.
Is that all virtually correct and possible, right?
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I get lag using it on stock rom too. You may find some improvement by flashing it over stock. Safestrap mounts an image file as a loop device, which I have heard is slower, although I couldn't confirm that through googling. Android seems to start to lag over time, I find flashing fresh often gives improvements, then it slows down again, then flash again etc
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