I need a new phone with a physical keyboard. Was looking at the Droid4, which appears to have the best physical keyboard around, but am a bit of a newb at this stuff. My old HTC Dream (G1) is dying, and I need to figure this out sooner then later. Haha
Can it be unlocked to work on Rogers Wireless in Canada?
As of right now, no.
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As of right now, no.
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Thnx. Is it a case of no unlock? Or (lack of knowledge here) no GSM support?
Also, once an android device is rooted, is there an unlock app of some kind? Or?
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Thnx. Is it a case of no unlock? Or (lack of knowledge here) no GSM support?
Also, once an android device is rooted, is there an unlock app of some kind? Or?
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Currently GSM support is disabled in the firmware and AFAIK it will stay that way until Verizon releases an update to enable it.
Was a bit disappointing they do not have the global services available on the Droid 4. If your looking for a device with keyboard right now you may be able to pick up a used Droid 2 Global. I know those work up there as I had one when I was in Canada last year.
All I can say is, damn. I can't believe how messed up the mobile phone industry is. There is a device, I want to use it, so much so that I'm willing to pay the crazy $549.99 pricetag for it. However, they've decided that I'm not allowed to use it on my network. I hope chinese clones step up their game! Heh.
I was contemplating a droid3, however don't want to spend too much since I may want the droid4 once its actually usable.
I was contemplating picking up a motorola flipout for the meantime, cheap and weird looking!
Also, this probably isn't the right place for a question about this, but I'm at a loss as to what the heck unlock codes actually are (are they issued by the carrier? or hardware manufacturer?) and why there are numerous scammy websites selling them. Can anyone recommend a site I can do some reading about this on? About why I'll probably have to pay for one? I may need to know this if I pickup a different used phone.
The SIM Unlock codes are usually given by the carrier to their paid customers. Verizon will give them out if you have had an account in good standing for 6 months if I recall right.
As for sites to get the unlock codes, I cannot make any recommendations due to I have never paid for them. I have however seen on sites like deals extreme unlocker SIMs that go between the phone and the SIM but have no idea if or how well those work.
Also if you buy a used device you may be able to get one that has been SIM unlocked already. The SIM unlock is a one time task, even if the phone gets wiped or reset it will remain SIM unlocked.
I still keep my G1 as a spare. My next step from that was a TouchPro2 - it comes with WindowsMobile, but I'm running XDAndroid on it. It has an excellent keyboard. I think I still like the TP2 keyboard better than my D4's keyboard.
But, the TP2 has the exact same processor as the G1, and only a tiny bit more RAM. It has a much higher screen rez (800x480) but no faster hardware, so it is noticeably slow.
If I were you I'd look at picking up a used Droid3. I was considering the D3 as my next phone from the TP2, but waited instead for the D4 to come out. As it is, I'm finding that Verizon's 4G service is cutting out all the time on me, so it's still better as a 3G phone. And I'm heading off to Europe in a couple weeks, and will have to bring my G1 or my TP2 on the trip anyway.
Curses to Qualcomm, Motorola, and Verizon. Verizon for their stupid policies and selling a phone with full-featured hardware and intentionally crippled software. Motorola for their locked firmware that prevents end-users, who have legitimately paid for and *own* the damn hardware, from installing software on it as they see fit. Qualcomm for preventing end-users (again, who have legitimately paid for and *own* the hardware) from even seeing the specifications so that they can provide their own software.
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All I can say is, damn. I can't believe how messed up the mobile phone industry is. There is a device, I want to use it, so much so that I'm willing to pay the crazy $549.99 pricetag for it. However, they've decided that I'm not allowed to use it on my network. I hope chinese clones step up their game! Heh.
I was contemplating a droid3, however don't want to spend too much since I may want the droid4 once its actually usable.
I was contemplating picking up a motorola flipout for the meantime, cheap and weird looking!
Also, this probably isn't the right place for a question about this, but I'm at a loss as to what the heck unlock codes actually are (are they issued by the carrier? or hardware manufacturer?) and why there are numerous scammy websites selling them. Can anyone recommend a site I can do some reading about this on? About why I'll probably have to pay for one? I may need to know this if I pickup a different used phone.
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Bell sells the Motorola XT860, I'm currently using it unlocked on Rogers without a hitch. The only issue, I'm not sure if this phone will get official ICS support... The devs are hacking away at getting all of the cool ICS features up and running though
You can probably find an XT860 on Kijiji, Craigslist or even eBay for a lot cheaper than the full Bell price... heck they were giving them away on 3 year contracts during xmas. You might want to check out the Droid3 forums in the meantime to get some more info on XT860
Fwiw, i'm in Ireland now and popped an Irish SIM into the phone. Interestingly enough, you can swap the SIM while the phone is powered on, in Airplane mode. It still didn't work, but the phone didn't complain about any SIM lock. But when I rebooted the phone, it complained then.
There are properties in /system/build.prop for enabling world-mode. I turned these on, but looking at the radio logcat, it seems that our current libril-xxx.so just doesn't support any GSM commands.
The interesting thing is that the Motorola Atrix has the same Qualcomm MDM6600 radio modem as this phone. I'm going to look for an Atrix ROM and see if I can kang some libril files from there to see if I can get any further. (Btw, I wrote the multimode RIL for the XDAndroid ROM; this sort of investigation is my specialty...)
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I hope they hurry with this. I want this phone now. Its ridiculous that users outside USA cannot use this phone.
Bump, any development?
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Bump, any development?
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Look at the thread titled "Droid 4 for Hong Konger" in this forum for instructions on how to unlock GSM capability. This only came about a few days ago.
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Look at the thread titled "Droid 4 for Hong Konger" in this forum for instructions on how to unlock GSM capability. This only came about a few days ago.
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And it's still not stable from what I've read...
This phone is too early to jump into for me. I'll stick to my 4G Slide for now and check back on this device in a few months. Maybe development will pick up by then and they'll have the GSM thing sorted out
Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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The phone worked fine for me on Rogers when I had it. I did a bunch of tweaking in order to get all of the functions working, but this was back in ICS. Also, no LTE is available...
But you're much better off going full touchscreen, just get used to it... I think keyboard phones are going the way of the dinosaur
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Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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danifunker said:
The phone worked fine for me on Rogers when I had it. I did a bunch of tweaking in order to get all of the functions working, but this was back in ICS. Also, no LTE is available...
But you're much better off going full touchscreen, just get used to it... I think keyboard phones are going the way of the dinosaur
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OK guys this is perfect timing.. and i dont have much support for th eextra tweaking issues we have in Canada, with some of these phones and roms..
Anyhow. Heres my story.. You will like the ending!!
Ive owned a Droid 3 (XT860-BELLMOBILITY) for over a year now.. I came from the original Milestone 1 from Telus Mobililty.
4 weeks ago I had my Droid 3 stolen from me in the laundry room of my condo.. Well it was more.. forgotten by me (i think it was lost there.. for sure!!) and some lucky sole got their hands on it.. I can now use google and its cached pages of kijiji to see that it wass posted the day of.. lol ive got the kid selling other goods so its only a matter of time before i force karma upon him
I took a risk, but being desperate QWERTYDROID junkies like we are, and bought an American Verizon Droid 3 (XT862)
--Keep in mind that i knew nothing about unlocking, rooting, restoring, and doing the whole ROM/Bootstrap/TWRP/SAFEBOOT etc.. Im 35, been into pc's since i was 15, but never into MAC or LINUX.
At this point ive bricked these phones and the next one i speak about dozens of times, while attempting to do the practice makes perfect sort of journey to see what works, what doesnt, what sometimes does, etc.. Its always ended up being able to use the original stock rom's with no problems. (sometimes bloatwear was anoying) but not much support for our radios and etc.
So i had a bit of trouble getting this verizon droid 3 up and running as verizon themselves gives us extra work by trying to secure the load up of the activation process. Either way.. it worked, and still does, and ive gotten a few roms working on it like all SteelDroid, CM10.1, MiniMoto, and possibly a couple others. but these were the ones that can and will work, with a bit of trial and error.
shoot gotta run for a few minutes. so i wanna post this so i dont lose it all.
PART 2 of this story to follow within an hour!! But ill give you a bit of a spoiler.
I am using a Droid 4 now.. as a poster said justr before me, he had many issues to get past, well so did I, but them came the huge hurdles to get over also..
Still have my droid 3 xt862 that was wanting to sell. though,, im still not for certain ready to part with it..
be back shortly sorry about this..
next part in next post
What happened????
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Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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As far as I'm aware, there shouldn't be any problem getting this to run on a GSM network outside the United States. If the phone is on ICS or JB the GSM is unlocked already. If you use any of the ROM's, there's a thread in the "Droid 4 Android Development" called "Enable GSM on any ROM Patch" which should fully enable it.
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demungtoe said:
I need a new phone with a physical keyboard. Was looking at the Droid4, which appears to have the best physical keyboard around, but am a bit of a newb at this stuff. My old HTC Dream (G1) is dying, and I need to figure this out sooner then later. Haha
Can it be unlocked to work on Rogers Wireless in Canada?
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I have a Droid4, updated with android 4.1, and I can confirm you that it works with Rogers
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I already know this phone was leaked a while back...but here's new pics...I'm amazed aside from the coloring...but thatll probably change...cuz we all know what the Incredible looked like before it was released.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/04/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-hits-the-fcc-decked-out/
Can't imagine getting a phone now days with a physical keyboard.
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Can't imagine getting a phone now days with a physical keyboard.
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The main reason i want the physical keyboard is for gaming..i hate using an on screen controller for the Snes Emulators...and playing replica island sucks on the incredible as well...but for texting, i have mixed feelings about a physical keyboard, because its nice and i used to be a beast at texting when i had the Lg V...but for the past 3 years i have been using virtual qwerty keypads and while i still have a bit of trouble with them, its easier for me to use them than physical ones...and besides the stuff about the keyboard...this phone will probably come pre loaded with Gingerbread and have a amazing processor...i like the Snapdraggon...but the GPU sucks and also i tried to load 720p movies onto my phone and it couldnt process them...Also im guessing this screen will have a higher resolution...sorry for the long post, lol...just wanted to explain myself a bit
I'm waiting for this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
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I'm waiting for this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
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But it has the same insides as the Incredible...and the screen is way too big...4in is the sweet spot for me
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I really don't see the need for another phone until the LTE phones come out. As a matter of fact, I may not switch until an LTE version of the incredible is released.
I like the phone the OP posted minus the keyboard.
I wish verizon had a phone like the incredible (maybe a bit bigger) but that was dual-mode capable since I travel overseas a lot and they dont have many CDMA networks over there.
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I really don't see the need for another phone until the LTE phones come out. As a matter of fact, I may not switch until an LTE version of the incredible is released.
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QFT/Amen. Agreed.
-1 here. Not getting any phones until LTE enabled devices are released.
Not me, I'm waiting for the Incredible HD. Basically a Verizon version of the EVO.
This phone is definitely fine for now.. like stated when LTE is availabnle I'm hoping for an Incredible 2!
I won't be getting a new phone for the next two years
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I won't be getting a new phone for the next two years
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Well luckily my parents are eligible for upgrades next year and i doubt either them is going to want to use it....so im going to sell my Incredible and use one of their upgrades
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I'm waiting for this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
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same here!!!!!! keyboard suck it brings more problems . more ways to brake
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I'm waiting for this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
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Yeah, this is the one I want as well, I can't wait and I would assume this one is coming before Christmas, I hope it really does
LTE for me...
jc
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I'm waiting for this:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
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Yeah man! Thats the beast I'm holding my upgrade for!
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This phone is definitely fine for now.. like stated when LTE is availabnle I'm hoping for an Incredible 2!
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agree totally
Probably will be LTE, testing now.
Hey guys, I would be willing to bet that the mystery device with the 4.3 screen will be LTE. The reason I say this is because we (VZW) are testing and building LTE in the Ohio market where I am working now. I am not sure when the scheduled punlic release is because that is not my end of things, but the vast majority of sites have been converted from T1s to EBH (Ethernet Backhaul), had the antennas installed for LTE (700MHZ), and many have the LTE BTS product powered up and on air now. The testing is with a USB device now but I see no reason for them to deploy a shiney new phone months from now that would not have LTE in it. The VZW plan is to phase out CDMA voice, much like analog was over time, thus freeing up XCEM slots in the BTSs for DOM-A cards and adding more EVDO carriers (what I am doing as I am typeing this post). Pre-15xx NBSS release on the Nortel platform you could only have DOMs in slots 3,8, and 10, but now all are ok. The end goal is IP based voice on EVDO-A and data on LTE. Just my opinion from the network side.
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Hey guys, I would be willing to bet that the mystery device with the 4.3 screen will be LTE. The reason I say this is because we (VZW) are testing and building LTE in the Ohio market where I am working now. I am not sure when the scheduled punlic release is because that is not my end of things, but the vast majority of sites have been converted from T1s to EBH (Ethernet Backhaul), had the antennas installed for LTE (700MHZ), and many have the LTE BTS product powered up and on air now. The testing is with a USB device now but I see no reason for them to deploy a shiney new phone months from now that would not have LTE in it. The VZW plan is to phase out CDMA voice, much like analog was over time, thus freeing up XCEM slots in the BTSs for DOM-A cards and adding more EVDO carriers (what I am doing as I am typeing this post). Pre-15xx NBSS release on the Nortel platform you could only have DOMs in slots 3,8, and 10, but now all are ok. The end goal is IP based voice on EVDO-A and data on LTE. Just my opinion from the network side.
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The first 30 markets to get LTE will the the already released list of "NFL Cities" before the year's end. Verizon also stated the only devices they will release at first in LTE are mobile network cards. the first LTE phone won't be released til Q1 2011. So neither of these phones will be LTE ready.
The phone with the qwerty keyboard will NOT have gingerbread.
It's the HTC 'Merge', please don't call it the 'Incredible HD'. That just makes it sound stupid. It's not even anything like the Incredible. The internals are supposed to be completely different.
And if anyone is seriously gonna ditch a phone they just got 4 months ago for a phone that STILL doesn't have LTE, at the LOW price of $500, you're only gonna punch yourself in the face when the first LTE devices do get released months later. and then probably throw another $5-600 in the trash to get it.
Now that the Droid 3 is out, can we get a home to start talking and building developer support and get this bloatware off that Verizon & Motorola put on it.
that's would be wonderful!
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Most phones have locked bootloaders. Devs crack them. Motorolas are just tougher to crack than others. And unfortunately the D3 is the most glamourous option if you want a QWERTY keyboard on VZW.
Lets get one going!
So far I am very happy with my D3, I have no complaints and regardless I feel no matter what Moto puts out for a Droid Bionic it will fall victim to the hype machine. Love for a couple of weeks until the honeymoon wears off.
I wanted a slider phone and move away from 4G LTE and kept my Unlimited Data. Next year CES 2012 when we see ICS next gen LTE phones, then I will get excited for summer 2012.
I agree! Getting one on the 14th!
Locked bootloader again. Ouch!
IISiDeK1CKII said:
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.
Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).
Awesome! Thanks for the forum!
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Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).
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+1. I thought the HTC Merge would make it to Verizon, giving us a nice HTC branded slider but alas it didn't happen. Plus its specs were on the low end. Anyway, my D3 is coming in the mail today and I'm stoked to see a subforum. Does anyone know how encrypted the bootloader is? Even though the Atrix is getting unlocked I have a feeling Verizon is standing in the way of bootloader solutions on its network, as HTC's recent announcement (only t-mobile and sprint phones are getting unlocked) suggests.
We have the best devs on the planet here so I'm sure D3 owners will have some kind of root solution soon!
I'm waiting to see how long it takes for root to be achieved on this device before I make a concrete decision on whether to purchase it. Even though the physical keyboard is the main selling point for me, I think I could forego this "luxury" and purchase something else if I can't remove all of the bloat Verizon places on it. I'm due for my NE2 in about six weeks, so hopefully the devs have it cracked by then. I'd like to be able to root it straight out of the box, LOL! The most difficult thing for me has been staying out of the local stores so I don't buy one on impulse after playing around with it! From what I hear, the pentile screen is still significantly better than the screen on the D1, so I don't see that bothering me too much.
So far I am very pleased with the device. Yes I want the bootloader to be unlocked, but for now I would be happy with root and a deodexed ROM with bloat removed, more importantly an SBF. Perhaps we will see something from TBH in the future?
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Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.
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Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.
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Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.
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And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.
It is just me or does this forum not show up in the compact view of the forum home?
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And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.
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I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?
Side bar on the Droid 3: total usable RAM is 450000 KB reported by the system.
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I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?
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that's right, they will both have the same usable RAM. plus doesn't the D3 (and the Bionic for that matter) uses ddr2 RAM, which is very fast?
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
Why are we discussing/petitioning something that we don't know? Has it been set in stone that manufacturers will not support us anymore or is this all stemming from paranoia?
Because it is the trend. And the atrix 2 has been released already. All the manufactures with the exception of sammy have been doing this more and more lately abandoning. Devices. And pumping out new ones. At a very fast pace
So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
I think for every $10 a phone costs over $50 on launch day (on contract) is how many months it should be updated for. So a $300 phone should be kept updated for 25 months. So this would either keep phone prices lower or keep them updated.
Facebook is a poor way of getting the attention of corporations. You want them to change? Buy a nexus phone. Money talks.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
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I think ICS only has support for Armv7 currently, so phones with those SoCs will get updated. However, phones using custom UIs will experience a longer waiting time, maybe around early Q1 of 2012. HTC has released like 1000 phones in the last few months and I doubt most will get ICS soon, not sure if Moto will bother at all. But it might be better to wait and actually see what goes down, like you said.
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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As I understand it, you lose all ROM related warranty, so for instance if your screen fails then you're still covered.
Motorola unlocking bootloaders ??
you should check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316722
I had a motorola xt720.... not the best phone..but was ok. Motorola decided to stop supporting it within 4 months of launch or something stupid like that. No new updates no nothing. And still insisted on the bootloader staying locked so the dev's found it alot harder to do their job for them.
I will never ever buy a motorola product again.
The market is fairly competitive ... don't buy from companies that pull this crap
http://www.zimbio.com/New+Mobile+Ph...Verizon+Leaks+Support+Motorola+Droid+4+Launch
No wonder Hashcode is like the ONLY Dev working on CM7 for this phone. I can't believe they'd release the D4 6 months after the D3. Such BS.
.... That is why a Verizon stuff sell me his droid 3 last week ......
I purchased the Droid3 on the day it was released in July and I'm furious. I'm sure people who purchased it a month ago are going ballistic now that they are out of the return window. Can't believe this is being released in two weeks. I'm about 90% ready to pay the ETF and switch to Straight Talk and get out of contracts for good. I can get practically any phone available US or imported and use it on ST.
I know the service probably pales in comparison to Verizons but at $80/month for 24 months, there should be more of a protection in future-proofing phones. Checked on Verizon for trade-in value, $80...
Looks like a razor with a keyboard, kinda ugly imho, i can't see this coming out too soon.
Anyways locked bootloader which will take even more months to be come usable, same specs as the droid 3 with maybe 1gb of ram and a 1.2 cpu, not worth an upgrade at all.
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I find it amusing that people are surprised by this. As soon as the Droid 3 came out I knew it would be followed by a 4g version not long after. I also don't understand why people are upset about it. Your phone doesn't automatically become worse when this phone launches. And anyone who thought the Droid 3 was going to get good dev support was out of their minds. We're super lucky to even have hash. Either way I can't wait to get a Galaxy Nexus. Totally done with Motocrap. 32gb card still doesn't work for music.
People, it's Motorola. Like any other corporation, they want some way to get more money, and if they need to release the first 4G/LTE slider phone, then they want to do it as fast as they can..
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i4mt3hwin said:
I find it amusing that people are surprised by this. As soon as the Droid 3 came out I knew it would be followed by a 4g version not long after. I also don't understand why people are upset about it. Your phone doesn't automatically become worse when this phone launches. And anyone who thought the Droid 3 was going to get good dev support was out of their minds. We're super lucky to even have hash. Either way I can't wait to get a Galaxy Nexus. Totally done with Motocrap. 32gb card still doesn't work for music.
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I'm in the same boat. I've had a DX and now a D3. Screw Moto, I'm going to break the keyboard mapping file, take this piece back as my 2nd return, pull the same shenanigans for a 3rd return, and then flip $#!+ about this phone being a turd and get a GNex. I want pure Android from it's creator, not this MotoBull.
I knew this would happen.. I was pissed that much better phones were released within a week after this phone was released... Personal preference is now key to buying phones these days. Technology is only advancing FASTER meaning something twice as good will be released within weeks of what the best is now. 2 years ago we had a 550mhz D1, year later the speed and ram doubles with the D2, not quite a year passes and now dual core is standard. Less than 6 months and quadcore phones will make the D4 comparable to owning a D1. All I have to really say is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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and if they need to release the first 4G/LTE slider phone, then they want to do it as fast as they can..
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They already did, same release date as our XT862, its called the Motorola XT860 4G, AKA Canadian Bell Droid 3...
http://developer.motorola.com/products/xt860-4g/
So what it's ugly and battary not portable. They must keep supporting the droid 3 with updates though
Lyxdeslic said:
http://www.zimbio.com/New+Mobile+Ph...Verizon+Leaks+Support+Motorola+Droid+4+Launch
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Wasnt this supposedly the leaked image of the razor, like 2 months ago????? lol
Luckily we still have Hash;who is btw doing an awesome job. Another thing we have in our favor is that the D3 & Bionic are so similar, so hopefully we can piggyback alot of ROM's, Mods, & Themes.
Oh men. I buy Droid 3, four days ago...
Of all the people with a D3 pissed that the D4 is being released....do you even have 4G service where you live? I don't so I could give a **** less.
*I love my Droid3..f'off Samsung Captivate*
Are you really care?
I bought D3 because it's a global phone. But the D4 is NOT.
It's CDMA and 4G only.
arthurcorell said:
Are you really care?
I bought D3 because it's a global phone. But the D4 is NOT.
It's CDMA and 4G only.
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Specs I saw is that the D4 is the first LTE Global Phone
(I'm too new to post links)
Zoom in to the specs, QuadBand GSM
tila11 said:
Oh men. I buy Droid 3, four days ago...
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Assuming you bought from VZW, you have a 30 return period. You're in luck.
I've also read about this yesterday, it appears that the gsm and removable back had been removed as well. Guess tone to move to a bionic
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I wont have 4G service where I am for a while, so having a 4G radio is more of a hassle at the moment. I refuse to buy a phone with a non-removable battery, its one of the reasons I stay away from the iPhone. The Droid 4 looks like it still has Gingerbread on it. I'm not so sure what people are mad over.
i just GOT my Droid 3, WTF motorola
Still trying to get then to publicly announce this, but my contact within HTC (my business buys hundreds of devices a year) says its all AT&T. He said maybe someday, but chance it'll happen within 3 months is zero. Take it for what you will.
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Still trying to get then to publicly announce this, but my contact within HTC (my business buys hundreds of devices a year) says its all AT&T. He said maybe someday, but chance it'll happen within 3 months is zero. Take it for what you will.
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Who is your contact? Can he leak the info we need for an unlock?
He doesn't have the needed codes. Or even the key signer. I asked. Said to say he wished he could help. Been working with me for 4 years, I believe him
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He doesn't have the needed codes. Or even the key signer. I asked. Said to say he wished he could help. Been working with me for 4 years, I believe him
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He doesnt know anyone that can help?
I got the direct line to some vp's. Calling in a bit to complain directly.
This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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Well, guess that solved my issue. Exchanging for a white Skyrocket now.
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This was predictable. AT&T are a bunch of a$$es and HTC are a bunch of idiots to let AT&T do this to them.
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I've been hypothesizing that it was moreso AT&T's fault, as compared with HTC's, as they've been relatively responsive about getting their other carrier bootloader unlocks out relatively promptly.
AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
Look, the international Raider and the Bell/Rogers variants all got their dues very quickly; HTC is clearly not holding back on their part in terms of getting these devices unlocked. Since our hardware is literally identical to the Rogers one (radio bands and all), I don't see why there's any reason to keep ours locked while Rogers doesn't have this issue. There's only one variable here, and it's clearly the carrier.
Wasn't Rogers part of an ATT venture at one point? They're worthy of commendation that they didn't inherit these ridiculous business practices.
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I've been hypothesizing that it was moreso AT&T's fault, as compared with HTC's, as they've been relatively responsive about getting their other carrier bootloader unlocks out relatively promptly.
AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
Look, the international Raider and the Bell/Rogers variants all got their dues very quickly; HTC is clearly not holding back on their part in terms of getting these devices unlocked. Since our hardware is literally identical to the Rogers one (radio bands and all), I don't see why there's any reason to keep ours locked while Rogers doesn't have this issue. There's only one variable here, and it's clearly the carrier.
Wasn't Rogers part of an ATT venture at one point? They're worthy of commendation that they didn't inherit these ridiculous business practices.
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I think that would be Bell, but they are still really good to Android. Anyways, only Samsung from now on, since Samsung has the balls to tell them off.
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Longcat14 said:
Well, guess that solved my issue. Exchanging for a white Skyrocket now.
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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Uh Evil has been 'on the verge' of unlock for the 3D and Rezound for weeks and weeks that I have been following. Can never tell up from down, cant wait on a chance in case it never comes.
Truthfully all things considered you can't say it will Never happen because someone some where will come with a way to unlock the device. Whether it winds up being HTC themselves that leak something just to get sales up or some dev doing it there will be an unlock method sooner or later, just a matter of time and patience. Have yet to see any android device that exists that has not been able to be rooted and get the Bootloader unlocked.
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Really?
you waited until after EvilDevnull decides to help before you bail?
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I tweeted him long before people found out. He said he's going to do a few devices after the Rezound, then us. Sure, we can probably do something with the Rezound, but I'm not used to HTC devices anyways, kind of a brand thing.
Anyways, enjoy your Vivid, I know I will until my Skyrocket gets here.
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AT&T's had it against Android from day 1, choosing not to carry high-end devices, then lagging behind on updates on high-end devices, then not letting us sideload apps, and now this. It really wouldn't surprise me that AT&T is the primary culprit.
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Yup, every time I'm in an Att store all they talk about is the iphone and apple.
Even back when the HD2 came out and had a processor twice the speed of the the iphone at that time they were still touting it's superiority.
I was a bit surprised to see everyone in the att store when I went in to pick up my vivid with one. Apparently the store in my area were switching their employee phones from windows phones to Android phones and they were all going nuts and excited about the Vivid.
Anyways, I knew it was att that was preventing the unlocking, they have pretty much always been sticklers about things like this especially if it can insure their bloatware staying on our phones.
Sounds like we should keep up the pressure.
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Yup, every time I'm in an Att store all they talk about is the iphone and apple.
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Isn't that the truth. When I told them I was considering the 4s or an Android phone they said 99% of the people who were using Apple and went to android end up bringing the phone back and switching to the 4s.
I couldn't believe how much bashing they gave to android. If I ever hear one of them saying anything again I am going to politely explain: "Does the iPhone come with any AT&T bloatware installed? No? Does every Android device? Yes. Remove your **** apps and people will like android more and the phones will run better."
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bconover93 said:
Nowadays you can uninstall the bloatware AND sideload apps.
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Uh, what?
The former, not without aftermarket tweaks. The latter, yes.
Don't try to praise AT&T here, it's not going to fly. They still are monumentally iBiased.
EDIT: I just checked Evil's site on this. Regardless of his accomplishments, I don't think I'd ever consider donating to him. He carries himself like a total <insert expletive here> as the most important developer in the world. Reading the thread was painful.
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Uh, what?
The former, not without aftermarket tweaks. The latter, yes.
Don't try to praise AT&T here, it's not going to fly. They still are monumentally iBiased.
EDIT: I just checked Evil's site on this. Regardless of his accomplishments, I don't think I'd ever consider donating to him. He carries himself like a total <insert expletive here> as the most important developer in the world. Reading the thread was painful.
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If he is the guy who gets s-off for the vivid.... He IS the most important developer in the world as far as I am concerned
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