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Hells Yeah!!!!!
Great news! Are you gonna update this post as he updates his? Or should those who're interested just follow his thread?
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It is totally up to you.... lol... Some more screenies being added to the OP... enjoy....
Can you change the title to wip
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I've heard through the grape vine that sense 4.0 is rather vanilla as compared to sense 3.5. In that its more simplistic and has less animations. Anyone know if there is any truth to that? Either way, this is really exciting.
Could you provide a link to his forum?
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jazzmoe76 said:
I've heard through the grape vine that sense 4.0 is rather vanilla as compared to sense 3.5. In that its more simplistic and has less animations. Anyone know if there is any truth to that? Either way, this is really exciting.
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Don't go by the pictures
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doktor buknasty said:
Could you provide a link to his forum?
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just search for Android Maisters Forum on google.......... GIYF....
Ohhh Very glad to see this! Heard sense 4.0 is supposed to be a lot less bloated than 3.0 / .5/ .6
Can't wait!
*whistle* beauty in one's hands.
Thank you very much for this!
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I just got a nexus and retired my Raider. I might have to pull it out when this is done, though. Great work!
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Don't go by the pictures
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I wasn't.... Like I said, I heard through the grapevine through friends that have diff HTC devices. I really don't know much about it. Do you have some info regarding what is included/excluded? I was told that a lot of the flashy animations were gone and its a more simplistic approach.
Awesome, I see it's a port of a Virtuous ROM. Always loved their work on other HTC devices; pretty much every Droid Incredible and Inspire owner that I know swears by them.
Thank you very much
jazzmoe76 said:
I've heard through the grape vine that sense 4.0 is rather vanilla as compared to sense 3.5. In that its more simplistic and has less animations. Anyone know if there is any truth to that? Either way, this is really exciting.
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Yes it's lighter, less animations, the clock flips and the weahter is animated but they have really cut back on a lot of the animations which in my opinion slowed sense down a lot.
It was published on Engad... That the vivid will get sense 4.0 and they quote ATT. Is the version we now have a test release? It sure feels finished.
If they release a 4.0 version officially it must rock them cause my vivid is actually flying... So I bet rafy will treat us to it first.
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djfrost40 said:
Yes it's lighter, less animations, the clock flips and the weahter is animated but they have really cut back on a lot of the animations which in my opinion slowed sense down a lot.
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It was published on Engad... That the vivid will get sense 4.0 and they quote ATT. Is the version we now have a test release? It sure feels finished.
If they release a 4.0 version officially it must rock them cause my vivid is actually flying... So I bet rafy will treat us to it first.
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Great! Thanks fellas
carlosjcar said:
It was published on Engad... That the vivid will get sense 4.0 and they quote ATT. Is the version we now have a test release? It sure feels finished.
If they release a 4.0 version officially it must rock them cause my vivid is actually flying... So I bet rafy will treat us to it first.
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I'd much rather stay on an unbranded Virtuous offer than on ATT's bloated and tweaked crap.
Especially because I like an accurate representation of the network I'm connected to in my statusbar.
Related
Just saw this on 911sniper:
SuperSonic_GB_Sprint_WWE_4.12.651.1_Radio_2.15.00.04.08_NV_208_release_183986.zip
http://911sniper.blog.163.com/blog/static/142900881201131503456893/
Let the porting begin!
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Just saw this on 911sniper:
SuperSonic_GB_Sprint_WWE_4.12.651.1_Radio_2.15.00.04.08_NV_208_release_183986.zip
http://911sniper.blog.163.com/blog/static/142900881201131503456893/
Let the porting begin!
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*Screams like a girl who just saw justin bieber*
Seriously, this will be SWEET!
This should be fun
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I'm almost willing to bet money we'll have a bootable ROM of this in less 3 days.
Its only sense 1.0
You can bet this will be what the Incredible gets too. HTC FAIL
On another note. At least we will have some sense gingerbread files to swap out in a gingersense 2.0 build.
incubus26jc said:
Its only sense 1.0
You can bet this will be what the Incredible gets too. HTC FAIL
On another note. At least we will have some sense gingerbread files to swap out in a gingersense 2.0 build.
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Yeah, It's a shame. I'm just happy they're still putting out updates for a phone that's not even in production anymore.
Evo just got their first rom.... see how it turns out...
Stoney 666 said:
Evo just got their first rom.... see how it turns out...
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Yep. I've almost rubbed off all the paint on my f5 button between that thread and 911sniper (hoping for an Inc leak lol)
wdfowty said:
Yep. I've almost rubbed off all the paint on my f5 button between that thread and 911sniper (hoping for an Inc leak lol)
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Yea, me too... I've been refreshing on the evo thread since you opened it....
Someone should port this.
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mrbracht said:
Someone should port this.
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or the new htc pyramid (sensation) that just came out =)
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or the new htc pyramid (sensation) that just came out =)
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+1!!
ahh ee ahh!
Big disappointment. This is all about selling phones, though. Sure, the Sense 2.x and 3.0 rom sizes are huge, but who would buy a new phone if they gave us the latest and greatest?
I saw the hands on video. The only difference in the ui was fastboot, aka hibernate. What a let down.
I still wanna try it.
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Been looking for a port of this rom... is anyone thinking about making one?
With all the other evo roms out i figured this would be a given.
sure it doesn't have new sense but it would be nice to update to gingerbread
lafester said:
Been looking for a port of this rom... is anyone thinking about making one?
With all the other evo roms out i figured this would be a given.
sure it doesn't have new sense but it would be nice to update to gingerbread
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Personally I am hooked on Sense v2 so I am not interested in the effort to port for anything less than gingerbread and sense 2+
NilsP said:
Personally I am hooked on Sense v2 so I am not interested in the effort to port for anything less than gingerbread and sense 2+
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Maybe this will interest you then http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036706
NilsP said:
Personally I am hooked on Sense v2 so I am not interested in the effort to port for anything less than gingerbread and sense 2+
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Either what he said, or keep an eye on these two threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1037451
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036833
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I'll download it tonight and see what I can do....
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I'll download it tonight and see what I can do....
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That would be awesome, should be better than the Inc S and newer phones right? Because the EVO has such similar hardware to the Incredible. Am I the only one that still likes the old Sense? IMO Sense 2.0 is slow.
So I know it probably is really hard, but I was wondering if anyone has plans to make a HTC Sense rom for the droid 3. I would make it myself, but I have no idea how. I saw a video on Sense running on Droid 1 via Rom. So I know it is possible. To all the developers, it would be very popular, a lot of people like Sense.
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This thread does not belong here.
I also doubt that we'll ever have a Sense rom (unless we have a very experienced dev who has worked in both Sense and Blur environments that could port it over) at least anytime soon. If we were to have one, lots of things would be broken.
i already have a iphone 4s rom with full working siri ported to the droid 3, full working cm8 and miui ics, htc sense shouldnt be that hard do you want htc sense v4.0? on ics?
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i already have a iphone 4s rom with full working siri ported to the droid 3, full working cm8 and miui ics, htc sense shouldnt be that hard do you want htc sense v4.0? on ics?
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Nice sarcasm.....
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Nice sarcasm.....
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Don't think he's kidding.. I too have CM8 w/ Siri and currently getting ready to flash part of iOS5 that i like. Decide not to add MIUI, though.
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Benjamin150 said:
Don't think he's kidding.. I too have CM8 w/ Siri and currently getting ready to flash part of iOS5 that i like. Decide not to add MIUI, though.
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ya bro hit me up i'll send you the newest nightly, it's got imessage AND BBM both inside..
also got the htc sense lockscreen working too as an option
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Benjamin150 said:
Don't think he's kidding.. I too have CM8 w/ Siri and currently getting ready to flash part of iOS5 that i like. Decide not to add MIUI, though.
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i hope both of you are trolling
otherwise i am disappoint....
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ya bro hit me up i'll send you the newest nightly, it's got imessage AND BBM both inside..
also got the htc sense lockscreen working too as an option
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I want in too, it's only fair since you're testing my ICS rom built off that leak we got last night.
kshen1 said:
ya bro hit me up i'll send you the newest nightly, it's got imessage AND BBM both inside..
also got the htc sense lockscreen working too as an option
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Dude that's sick. I'll have to hit you up. Currently using the TouchWiz lockscreen but.. meh.
i is from the future, i bring with me android zebracake x.x
techno-update said:
So I know it probably is really hard, but I was wondering if anyone has plans to make a HTC Sense rom for the droid 3. I would make it myself, but I have no idea how. I saw a video on Sense running on Droid 1 via Rom. So I know it is possible. To all the developers, it would be very popular, a lot of people like Sense.
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You're best bet is to contact that d1 dev and see if he'll work on a droid 3 version. That and throw him some cash. I would love sense on my d3.
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kshen1 said:
i already have a iphone 4s rom with full working siri ported to the droid 3, full working cm8 and miui ics, htc sense shouldnt be that hard do you want htc sense v4.0? on ics?
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I can't understand the irony here.
Was done for the MS1, I cant see why can't be done for the D3.
And altough I casnt like a lot the Sense aesthetic, is pretty evident that the sense fw is light years ahead the amateur motorola UI.
So yes would be nice to have the sense FW ported to the D3.
kshen1 said:
i already have a iphone 4s rom with full working siri ported to the droid 3, full working cm8 and miui ics, htc sense shouldnt be that hard do you want htc sense v4.0? on ics?
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Wow, your a beast with roms. Sense 3.0 is good with me, anything else is icing on the cake. You should totally do it. You gonna do it? I know just by looking at this, that it will be pretty popular. PM if u need a rom tester, i currently am not rooted because so far, have not seen an roms worth it. But this would be worth it by far to me.
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Lol enough with the sarcasm. It won't happen. Sense 3.0 won't happen on the Droid 3. Period. Even people like Koush can't do it. If you want to know why its impossible, google it. You will find your answer.
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Lol enough with the sarcasm. It won't happen. Sense 3.0 won't happen on the Droid 3. Period. Even people like Koush can't do it. If you want to know why its impossible, google it. You will find your answer.
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Nothing is impossible.
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Plus i had a motorola ui rom on my Droid Incredible.
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i wonder how many htc users are asking for Blur roms. heheh
kshen1 said:
Lol enough with the sarcasm. It won't happen. Sense 3.0 won't happen on the Droid 3. Period. Even people like Koush can't do it. If you want to know why its impossible, google it. You will find your answer.
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Who said sense 3 ?
The OP asked about sense in general. Sense 2 is still light years more powerful and refined then the very latest motoblur.
If there's a reason because we sont see this happen is because the user base, original milestones and droids were true milestones, and come practically in the desert.
the D3 is just an average phone, sold side by side with a zillion of other phones.
Droid 3 was sold in millions of pieces, ms1 in hundreds of thousands, this surely won't happen with the D3.
And, as usual, larger user base = more developers involved = more chances to have the SW you need.
I said Sense 3.0. Got a problem with that?
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I said Sense 3.0. Got a problem with that?
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Do you find useful answer to questions that no one asked, just to tell "I'm right" ?
https://twitter.com/#!/PaulOBrien/status/128749954217951232
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/htc-incredible-s-to-get-official-sense-3-0-update.html
"Like the Desire S software update, the software update for the Incredible S will bring with it Sense 3.0, along with its goodies like a 3D launcher, and a widget-izied lock screen. The Android version will also be bumped to 2.3.5, and will also bring Google Talk with video chatting capabilities to the handset."
How come no one have posted these links?
So, looks like HTC won't ignore the IncS owners! For now...
*edit*
(damn, just noticed someone posted this in another thread, but w/e, this way more ppl will see it!)
The question is when ....
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baste07 said:
The question is when ....
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Read the twitter link from PaulOBrian.
"So Saga and Vivo (Desire S and Incredible S) have official Sense 3.0 builds now. "
If the builds are done, it shouldn't be long before they release it.
But then again, you never know with HTC. For me it seems like they're pretty slow at updating their phones...
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But then again, you never know with HTC. For me it seems like they're pretty slow at updating their phones...
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Better slow and solid, than fast and buggy
HTC gives the word SLOW another meaning.
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HTC gives the word SLOW another meaning.
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We're on gb, there are tons of phones that aren't even on that...
Htc are one of the best
scoobysnacks said:
We're on gb, there are tons of phones that aren't even on that...
Htc are one of the best
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Agreed. I had the original Samsung Galaxy before the Incredible S. The updates from Samsung were buggy and slow to non-existent. That was what prompted me to move to HTC since they seemed much better.
So why does desire s have it and inc s doesn't? They are virtually the same.
And saying there are a lot of phones not having it is a non-sense argument. VIVO is not an old phone. So it is our right to expect better service
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So why does desire s have it and inc s doesn't? They are virtually the same.
And saying there are a lot of phones not having it is a non-sense argument. VIVO is not an old phone. So it is our right to expect better service
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Dude we have gb, and sense 3 is coming...
Quit your *****in.
What's nonsense is your incessant whining.
We will also get ics I'm sure.
Htc is one of the best for updates, if you're complaining about this then you probably just shouldn't own an Android phone.
As long as its quality, time is something that can be wait.
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As long as its quality, time is something that can be wait.
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Well, if they continue updating this rapidly we'll have cm9 before official sense 3.0 x)
Anyway, anyone who's gotten the update yet?
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As someone with 16000 S-On Im really glad to hear this .. as for the banter on HTC's speed or lack of for updates ... HTC builds are cranked out faster unofficial or official than any other phone models I own ... Normally I don't care much for official rollouts but as there's no s off working for me atm ,knowing that there is confirmed rollouts coming I'm quite happy to wait ... Definate worth waiting for solid n stable than quick n buggy fota...
Can't wait for this to hit, Mike will have a new base for his Android Revolution HD Rom.
Yes that's fantastic news. Hopefully with the new official Sense 3 ROM, more custom ROMS will be available for us IncS users instead of having devs and cooks port ROMs from other handsets. Perhaps soon we'll have more choice of custom sense ROMs! =)
Yeaa, can't wait. Hope they don't put the project on hold, because of the resources they need for ICS device updates.
Got bored of sense 2.1. The 3d launcher looks amazing.
Does anyone know if the dialer issue got fixed in 2.3.5?
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Id asked HTC and they replied that Incredible S would surely get a Sense 3.5 update but they didnt have exact schedule now
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That's their robot reply. Yes but no date.
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3.5? As far as I know they've only said we'll get the 3.0 update...
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3.5? As far as I know they've only said we'll get the 3.0 update...
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In fact sense 3.5 will use less system resources than sense 3.0 and thats why devices using MSN8255 can get this update
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Does anyone know the exact differences between Sense 3.0 and 3.5? I've tried both ROMs before and there a few UI changes (e.g the tick and the checkbox is different) and you can jump from dialer to contacts, favorites etc directly from the jog dial and the bottom.
I have not tried this yet and will give a try when I am not mobile or atleast play with it a bit.
It is mostly for dev so don't try if you are not sure what it does etc...(especially people who got pg threads to close )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532893
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I have not tried this yet and will give a try when I am not mobile or atleast play with it a bit.
It is mostly for dev so don't try if you are not sure what it does etc...(especially people who got pg threads to close )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532893
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This is just a piece of the endeavour leak. But this will not give us sense 4.0.
On a side note I did get the endeavor leak to run on my vivid this evening. It's rather nice but I wasn't able to get WiFi,Bluetooth,or ril working so its pretty useless as it is.
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kozmikkick said:
This is just a piece of the endeavour leak. But this will not give us sense 4.0.
On a side note I did get the endeavor leak to run on my vivid this evening. It's rather nice but I wasn't able to get WiFi,Bluetooth,or ril working so its pretty useless as it is.
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Dude, can you please post a link to the Endeavor ROM you used? I want to port Sense 4.0 but all links at XDA with the leak were taken down it seems.
I think that post turned out to be useless it was just a overlay and real sense 4.0
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I think that post turned out to be useless it was just a overlay and real sense 4.0
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After reading that, it appears that it was just a skin for the Sense Clock. Very useless. There is however the Endeavor RUU leak that has full Sense 4.0 and it has already been ported to other HTC devices. In fact, the whole ROM should be somewhat easy to port if what kozmikkick said was true.
Here is the link to that
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502895&highlight=sense
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Here is the link to that
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502895&highlight=sense
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Thanks, I actually found that link about 15 mins ago and am downloading but it is painfully slow.
Is there any custom ICS roms? sorry for sounding stupid but I cant find any.
Seems like there are 2 available and the developers have moved away from xda. One is made by Pirateghost and called Rum Float: http://blog.androidninjas.com/rom-dev/htc-vivid/rum-float/
The other is made by WildChild and you have to register to see the vivid section here: http://www.wcxxperia-nce.com/
Anyone tried these custome ROMS?
Hey, has anyone tried these custome ROMS, I would like to get something without AT&T apps included......
wildchild has a generic one that has all the att stuff removed
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Hey, has anyone tried these custome ROMS, I would like to get something without AT&T apps included......
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both of them roms will get you no att bloatware...
i personally use wildchilds generic build as it has working wifi teathering
I have PG's Rum Float Beta4, updated from Beta2. No bloat and ofcourse rooted, really like it.
He has his own web site, if you search for Rum Float, it should pop up.
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randong said:
both of them roms will get you no att bloatware...
i personally use wildchilds generic build as it has working wifi teathering
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I'm on the ATT build with working tethering.
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I'm on the ATT build with working tethering.
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sweet i guess you used the work around posted in his fourm and it worked
i just use his generic cuz it works right off the bat
Hi xda,
It would seem that I've jumped into this a little late, but what happened to make all the cooks leave xda and ignore the Vivid, Velocity etc.
Sorry but I've been away from xda for about 12 months while living in Blackberry-land.
I'd really like an ICS ROM for my Velocity without HTC's bastard 'Sense' bloatness.
Also - is getting root access to the Velocity as easy as it was for the HD2?
Cheers;
shayla28 said:
Hi xda,
It would seem that I've jumped into this a little late, but what happened to make all the cooks leave xda and ignore the Vivid, Velocity etc.
Sorry but I've been away from xda for about 12 months while living in Blackberry-land.
I'd really like an ICS ROM for my Velocity without HTC's bastard 'Sense' bloatness.
Also - is getting root access to the Velocity as easy as it was for the HD2?
Cheers;
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CM9 port is being worked on. Check the dev thread. Other than that, there are Sense ICS ROM's available, just not many here.. at this point.
As far as what happened, no need to stir up bad memories Look through some of the threads from last month and you'll figure it out. In the mean time, follow the golden rule, and the rules of the forum, and maybe they'll start trickling back in
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CM9 port is being worked on. Check the dev thread. Other than that, there are Sense ICS ROM's available, just not many here.. at this point...
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I will be stuck to the Dev thread like glue today; sorry Council, there will be no IT movement today! The systems engineer just got a new toy
Everyone contribute and help test and get logcats in!
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resin99 said:
... One is made by Pirateghost and called Rum Float: http://blog.androidninjas.com/rom-dev/htc-vivid/rum-float/...
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Is anyone able to upload a screenshot of this? I'd be really interested to know if there is a sense 3.5 or 3.6 running on top. If not - hells yeah PirateGhost! I hate Sense!!!
Cheers;
Sense 3.6
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I am using Wild Childs at&t build of ics. It is awesome! He did an outstanding job with the rom. Silky smooth, looks like stock without the bloat! Plus with the mods here in the forums like extended menu, signal icon changer, and some other mods you can't beat it. This phone rocks hard!
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Is anyone able to upload a screenshot of this? I'd be really interested to know if there is a sense 3.5 or 3.6 running on top. If not - hells yeah PirateGhost! I hate Sense!!!
Cheers;
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Then why an HTC? Just curious..
Because the majority of samsungs and other brands embarrass android and apple still feels outdated and something for social status?
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homeslice976 said:
Then why an HTC? Just curious..
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IMO its the lesser of all evils. Every brand has their own "skin". So even if you prefer AOSP, you might as well get the brand with the best looking and best functioning skin. Of course there is the nexus phones, but those aren't for everyone.
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Because the majority of samsungs and other brands embarrass android and apple still feels outdated and something for social status?
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Agreed. I just don't know that I could talk myself into the investment of a device that runs software that I hated, with the possibility of not be able to change it. Granted there are things being worked on now (CM9), but let's be real, this phone was released in November and to this point we haven't seen anything Sense-less (for reasons beyond the dev's control - just got kernel source 10 days ago fcs), it would be very tough for me to buy the device at this point if I hated Sense . I don't know how long shayla's had theirs though...