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heeey fellow forum readers.... yea its me again
a nother question
When i am in the fish tab.
AND i put a finger in the top and in the bottem of the screen
the fishes go tho the middle of the screen
when i release 1 of mij fingers the swim tho the one thats stil on the screen
Is there som software that lets you use this multie screen just like the pictures on the iphone?
greetings and sorry fore my poor english
sorry but it has NOT got multi-touch, I dont think the screen tech (resistive touchscreen) is even capable of that.
sorry but it has NOT got multi-touch, I dont think the screen tech (resistive touchscreen) is even capable of that.
edit: how do you delete a double post :S
That is not multitouch, the fish simply move to the "average" position of your fingers (the middle) then when you remove one finger, this "average" changes to the position of your remaining finger.
This is what happens with a singletouch screen.
Nemeth said:
That is not multitouch, the fish simply move to the "average" position of your fingers (the middle) then when you remove one finger, this "average" changes to the position of your remaining finger.
This is what happens with a singletouch screen.
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but how can a single touch screen(i mean not mulitie)
can calculate the average of 2 points??
than it has to know that you have 2 fingers on it right?
and when i move the 2 fingers on the screen the fishes moves with it on the midle of them
sorry if i am missing somthin here
i amde a sammple sovie of it... and sorry poor qualety
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lulLYGdAcSc
greetz
First read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_resistive_touchscreen
Now, when you depress on two points, the voltage reading used to provide the co-ordinates is exactly what it would have been had you pressed in the exact centre of those two points.
The screen cannot tell the difference between you pressing on two points, and you pressing on one point that is located at the centre of those points.
If you operate the device with your thumb, it does the same thing - activates the screen at the centre of the point of contact, as opposed to the stylus which is much more precise.
I don't know how else to put it, apologies if it is not very clear
i've been puzzling over the multi touch possibility because when using ie/viewing emails, if i swipe (vertically) using a stylus it selects text, while if i swipe with my finger, it scrolls. hard to explain if the screen is simply averaging out the positions, isn't it?
Biotouch.exe is responsible for that behavior.
Xperia's touchscreen is single touch only.
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200808/EEOL_2008AUG27_STECH_EMS_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD
Pages 2/3 of this document show the diagrams of a regular 4wire resistive touchscreen and how it detects the xy position. That should give you a more clear view on how/why it averages the way it does when you have 2 fingers on it.
krist0ph3r said:
i've been puzzling over the multi touch possibility because when using ie/viewing emails, if i swipe (vertically) using a stylus it selects text, while if i swipe with my finger, it scrolls. hard to explain if the screen is simply averaging out the positions, isn't it?
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Gestures aren't exclusive to to multi-touch screens. You can write software (I have done some of this) that tracks a movement across the screen, use fancy math to get the direction, and implement that gesture. Not very hard.
If the average of movement of the two points moves enough in one direction to set off a gesture thats what will happen.
Agaas said:
sorry but it has NOT got multi-touch, I dont think the screen tech (resistive touchscreen) is even capable of that.
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Oh deer, i guess you're very, very wrong...
Multitouch is possible with the Xperia touchscreen - but the rest of the phone (especially winmob 6.x) isn't ready.
See here how great resistive multitouch screens are:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
There's some WM software that does the multitouch trick on resistive screens. I think it does it through some intense calculations though (CPU heavy). I'm sure it's just a novelty and not useful for anything.
My theory:
Detect the first finger press, the second finger creates the average, from those two values you can compute the location of the second finger. This is a lot more CPU heavy than just reading two values from a true multi-touch screen.
stormlv said:
Biotouch.exe is responsible for that behavior.
Xperia's touchscreen is single touch only.
http://www.eetasia.com/STATIC/PDF/200808/EEOL_2008AUG27_STECH_EMS_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD
Pages 2/3 of this document show the diagrams of a regular 4wire resistive touchscreen and how it detects the xy position. That should give you a more clear view on how/why it averages the way it does when you have 2 fingers on it.
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Hi, do you have any idea how Biotouch.exe (the program that runs all the time on our Xperias) tells the difference between a thumb/finger press/drag versus a stylus press/drag?
I'm speculating/guessing that when you use a finger/thumb, when you press down, it creates little movements constantly (because your thumb/finger isn't exactly flat on the screen, it creates tiny little movements as your finger pressure moves slightly around)?
WhyBe said:
There's some WM software that does the multitouch trick on resistive screens. I think it does it through some intense calculations though (CPU heavy). I'm sure it's just a novelty and not useful for anything.
My theory:
Detect the first finger press, the second finger creates the average, from those two values you can compute the location of the second finger. This is a lot more CPU heavy than just reading two values from a true multi-touch screen.
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hmm - still possible though no? would be cool to see this if it really could work
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Hi, do you have any idea how Biotouch.exe (the program that runs all the time on our Xperias) tells the difference between a thumb/finger press/drag versus a stylus press/drag?
I'm speculating/guessing that when you use a finger/thumb, when you press down, it creates little movements constantly (because your thumb/finger isn't exactly flat on the screen, it creates tiny little movements as your finger pressure moves slightly around)?
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I've wondered about that too, I first noticed it when trying to scroll an email with my nail, it selected instead.
My theory is area of pressure, a stylus would have a very specific area of contact, an thumb would depress a much larger area, it would take the centre of the area as the target, but be able to act differently.
Wow .. it really handles stylus and finger different !
Yes, it for sure is area size. You can achieve 'stylus' touch with fingernail too.
Then this is one and half touch screen .. not singletouch, not multitouch.
Old Palms had singletouch, and that technology can't detect center of touched area, nor size, it detects only lower-left (IIRC) corner of the touched area. Fine for stylus, but really bad for fingers.
Most touchpadts work just like this. They can detect upper left corner and bottom right corner of the touched area .. but nothing between it.
Anyway with this you actually can detect most of the multitouch gestures. You can detect 1 finger or 2 fingers drag (different area size), you can do pinchzoom (area size changing). I guess things like this would be possible on Xperia.
Only thing you can't do is using screen as gamepad .. which iPhone can do .. it can detect several areas (virtual buttons) with no interference at all.
What I experimented on S2U2 software with xperia,
is to test the result is it with multi touch capability, but i am not sure.
You guys can have an experiment.
1. slide the S2U2 slide with 1 finger with ur right finger to the right.
2. then using ur left finger to press the slide bar somewhere at your left.
3. Play around by releasing the your left and right thumbs to test is it multi touch.
I am not sure, please some one tell me does it shows any clue. thanks.
yea my theory is that the hardware supports multi-touch, but the software doesn't recognize them as two individual points but instead takes all the values (or coordinates) of everything that is being inputted and takes in the average instead. if this is true, microsoft should definitely start developing multi-touch capability on their future winmo platforms.
The Xperia X1 touchscreen is most definately NOT a multitouch display. Multitouch works by actually using an array of touch devices on a single panel. This is true for both resistive and capacitive touch panel technologies. The result is the multitouch have a great many connections to a processor. While single touch panels only use 3 to 5 connections. The touch panel on the Experia X1's touchpanel has a 4wire interface, making it a common single touch device.
It is, as speculated, possible with some calculations to compute a second touch point with a little trickery. This is limited to a single extra touch point and results in both points being inaccurate.
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yea my theory is that the hardware supports multi-touch, but the software doesn't recognize them as two individual points but instead takes all the values (or coordinates) of everything that is being inputted and takes in the average instead. if this is true, microsoft should definitely start developing multi-touch capability on their future winmo platforms.
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The X1's resistive digitiser doesn't support multitouch.
What you described (avg co-ords) is how resistive screens work. They can only detect one point. They have two sheets, one sheet detects X co-ordinate and the other detects Y (hence 4 wires- you can check this yourself if you pull apart your phone). Biotouch uses some mathematical trickery to guess whether you're using a stylus or a finger.
The X1 is not capable of multitouch.
Can anyone test whether Galaxy S software / hardware wise can detect the area touched by your finger? If this is possible then pressure related applications would also be possible. Imagine invoking a right click just by tapping your finger in a different way (so as to cover a greater surface) - the music / drawing apps / or GPS scroll speed in such programs or other (e.g. the greater the "pressure" the quicker the scrolling).
Any ideas?
i highly doubt that this is possible and it is definitely not supported by the android api...
edit: i just looked into the api reference and saw that android does support pressure for touch events. i have no idea however if the galaxy s does support this. i think i will try it ...
edit2: sorry but i have to disappoint you, i always get the value 0.15686275 for the motion-event's pressure...but at least the galaxy s supports 5 finger multitouch while the htc devices can't even track 2 fingers right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRCDRXYJBCY
afaik this is only possible with resistive screens that report back the pressure, not with capacitive screens.
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afaik this is only possible with resistive screens that report back the pressure, not with capacitive screens.
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nje, looks like it will be possible with capacitive screens as well soon: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/12/3...touchscreens-with-multi-touch-coming-in-2010/
edit: okay to be precise ... it will be possible on a capacitive touch enabled screen
I am looking for a way to increase touch sensitivity on the S6 - like you can on the S5 - Note 4 - etc.
Cant find it - am I blind or is it missing? Normally it is located under "display" but I don't see the option there - Suggestions?
I don't think it's enabled. I'll look around and see what I can find. In the mean time you can flash @ktoonsez kernel. I believe he improves things in that area.
You having issues with your touch sensitivity?
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You having issues with your touch sensitivity?
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Couldnt tell if you were making a funny or if you were serious.
What I am trying to do is have the option to use my stylus on the screen - not all the time - just sometimes - with increased touch sensitivity on the S5 you can do that - I would have thought they would have done this on the S6 -
anyone know if there is a way to be able to use Stylus on the S6?
Do you really want to increase the touch sensitivity? I actually want to decrease the touchscreen sensitivity of the S6. The touches is registering as swipe instead of single touch. Sometimes when I type fast it register as swipe. Want to know what I mean, download the app 9gagtv and try to click on the video cards to play the video.
I think the option is either gone or disabled because I couldn't find the option for it either
1. The volume button and power button are too close together. The amount of times I went to reach the power button to turn off the display and accidentally took a screenshot by pressing power and volume down together.
2. The back is way too slippery. If the phone is on my bed and and leaning on the mattress slightly, the phone moves. Even just tapping the screen to navigate makes the phone slowly move away. Have to keep putting the case back on.
3. Gloves don't work with the front mounted sensor button. Not really blaming Huawei for that, but if out and about and gloved, you can't press the home button as the sensor won't work. I disabled my navigation bar which is the main reason I got this phone for full screen real estate. Thank God I can add the Navigation Floating Dock on the Quick Tiles so I can enable and use that when gloved and out.
4. Battery is good but not what I was expecting. Same as my Mate 9 battery life and yet I thought the Kirin 970 was 50% more efficient than the 960.
5. Wish camera had more slow motion speeds.
6. Persistent Android System notification but that's an Oreo thing and not a Huawei thing.
Having said all that I love this phone and it's the best phone I ever had.
Only had mine two days so more annoyances will probably come to light.
Agree about the power/volume button positioning.
Also since I've got a glass screen protector on it, it's a bit harder to access the sensor (have to press down into it) which is a bit annoying since it's my main means of navigating back and home as well as unlocking.
Infact the same sensor/button being used for both back (short press) and home (long press) is also awkward as I frequently do one when I mean to do the other.
Finally, it seems a bit complicated seemingly with multiple apps and settings for the same thing (though I am coming from Windows Mobile which might seem simpler as it didn't have many apps)
Agree great phone though (probably my best ever also)
I just got my mate 10 (alp-l29,black,4gb) from UAE.
1. Inability to theme notification/quick toggle area - stays black no matter what theme you apply. Looks out of place considering all notifications except spotify are light/white themed.
2.home button with 3 functions is not as easy to manage as I thought, but I will have to get used to it, since i aint giving away screen real estate and use on screen buttons on this monster.
3. Display settings in regard of View Mode and Text Size are not perfect, meaning that View Mode setting does not change size of text for notifications and they just look to big unless you use small text, but then again small text and default viewing area makes other areas look to big like whatsapp, chrome and so on. the best setting for perfect view View Mode - Small, Text Size - Normal, while taking into account that in such combo your notifications will be large/too large to fit notification are when you receive 3-4 messages/emails.
Otherwise I love this phone. Its fast, lag free. Kinda fat, but in combo with the weight, I like how it sits in my hand.
For the first time I quible only about thickness. Anything over 8mm feels a little thick...
tboy2000 said:
3. Gloves don't work with the front mounted sensor button. Not really blaming Huawei for that, but if out and about and gloved, you can't press the home button as the sensor won't work. I disabled my navigation bar which is the main reason I got this phone for full screen real estate. Thank God I can add the Navigation Floating Dock on the Quick Tiles so I can enable and use that when gloved and out..
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Well to update my post, I just tried with a very thin pair of unlined black leather gloves I own and in fact the sensor button DOES work while gloved. So I can press it to go back and forth and navigate as usual. It does not work with fingerprint recognition apps/phone unlocking of course, but once you are in, they do work.
FYI they are a UK brand: Dents Extra Soft 3000 silk lined gloves but I ripped out the silk lining to make them unlined and for more flexibility and thinness and to work with the sensor. ?
jemeljsh said:
3. Display settings in regard of View Mode and Text Size are not perfect, meaning that View Mode setting does not change size of text for notifications and they just look to big unless you use small text, but then again small text and default viewing area makes other areas look to big like whatsapp, chrome and so on. the best setting for perfect view View Mode - Small, Text Size - Normal, while taking into account that in such combo your notifications will be large/too large to fit notification are when you receive 3-4 messages/emails.
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UPDATE.
I found a solution to this issue where none of the combinations of View Mode and Text Size settings give you ideally looking system, meaning not too large or not too tiny. At default everything looks to large IMO and they should done better on qhd 6.0” screen. If not by default, view mode needs 5 not 3 steps.
So far the best I got is with this combo of settings:
1. View Mode and Text Size at Small;
2. Dpi @392 (under Developer Settings).
With this settings I believe the text size and viewing area is appropriate for qhd 6” screen.
For me,
I simply hate the single button implementation. Especially for recent task action, sometimes it ends up detecting my swipe as a tap, and going back accidentally
If one button is indeed a must, then i prefer the Meizu style implementation, where i can simply swipe up from bottom screen to access recent.
Current huawei implementation is too slow to my liking, not to mention, its a waste of space, since we can actually put something next to the button
otonieru said:
For me,
I simply hate the single button implementation. Especially for recent task action,
If one button is indeed a must, then i prefer the Meizu style implementation, where i can simply swipe up from bottom screen to access recent.
Current huawei implementation is too slow to my liking, not to mention, its a waste of space, since we can actually put something next to the button
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I thikn the one button is great. but the beauty of android is that you can simply change to something like Nova Launcher and get this swipe-up-for-recents functionality :good:
snachez said:
I thikn the one button is great. but the beauty of android is that you can simply change to something like Nova Launcher and get this swipe-up-for-recents functionality :good:
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Well that might be true if we are on home page,
But if we are still using an app, swiping up will only do scrolling :silly: , and the point of getting into recent screen is of course, for switching between app
Also,
I kinda expect by this time, huawei would already implement off screen gesture. At least for skipping song,
I mount my phone on my car center dash often, using maps and streaming spotify,
Without off screen gesture, its too troublesome, since i need to reach the phone while driving (not to mention its dangerous)
Because of this, now most of that job done by my Meizu Pro 7
They already implement "Knock & Draw" feature to launch app, so i dont see why they still cant get offscreen gesture
I miss the double tap to wake.
Do you have an app for this ?
maniyoshi said:
I miss the double tap to wake.
Do you have an app for this ?
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Don't need that for Mate 10. Its one tap on fp to wake.
Hi. I don'l line che "twin app" that is no wotking with other launchers and there isn't a toggle to manage the duble sim (favorite ecc..)
maniyoshi said:
I miss the double tap to wake.
Do you have an app for this ?
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Yes. I missed double tap to wake. Huawei should not remove the set data limit feature as well.
I overall like the phone but couple things
Camera is disappointing. Not as good as expecting. I do believe it's the software side letting it down. I was more impressed with the pixel 1 and HTC u11 camera
Battery life could be better. It's good but should be better with the battery size. Again seems needs more software tweaks. Inside just browsing with WiFi I can get up to 7-8 hours SOT. it just seems when I'm at work. I use a little sat nav and mobile data and a bit of music streaming it drains quickly. Just as quick as phones with smaller battery's
The software. I like emui . I like it a lot more than I thought. But it definitely is a bit buggy here and there ..again software updates could improve this
Another really picky thing...even though I really can't notice this isn't a 2k screen and is 1080p and it's a gorgeous screen. It still would have been nice to have the option. Especially since all flagships at this price and above have 2k screens
windozeanti said:
Yes. I missed double tap to wake. Huawei should not remove the set data limit feature as well.
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I thought data limit is still there? In mobile data setting.
Or are we talking about different thing ?
Reuben_skelz92 said:
I overall like the phone but couple things
Camera is disappointing. Not as good as expecting. I do believe it's the software side letting it down. I was more impressed with the pixel 1 and HTC u11 camera
Battery life could be better. It's good but should be better with the battery size. Again seems needs more software tweaks. Inside just browsing with WiFi I can get up to 7-8 hours SOT. it just seems when I'm at work. I use a little sat nav and mobile data and a bit of music streaming it drains quickly. Just as quick as phones with smaller battery's
The software. I like emui . I like it a lot more than I thought. But it definitely is a bit buggy here and there ..again software updates could improve this
Another really picky thing...even though I really can't notice this isn't a 2k screen and is 1080p and it's a gorgeous screen. It still would have been nice to have the option. Especially since all flagships at this price and above have 2k screens
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- I don't know... different people report different experience. I mean some people are getting a lot of SOT and some not. which is quite confusing.
- also, the same regarding the camera, some say it is amazing some say not that good, check this post, what do you think about it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/how-to/mate-10-vs-pixel-2-xl-camera-t3707909
according to these pics, Mate 10 definitely wins over pixel 2 xl !
well these 2 things are what is going to make me buy the mate 10 in few days. so i was looking for reviews around the web to make up mind.
Shady282 said:
- I don't know... different people report different experience. I mean some people are getting a lot of SOT and some not. which is quite confusing.
- also, the same regarding the camera, some say it is amazing some say not that good, check this post, what do you think about it:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-10/how-to/mate-10-vs-pixel-2-xl-camera-t3707909
according to these pics, Mate 10 definitely wins over pixel 2 xl !
well these 2 things are what is going to make me buy the mate 10 in few days. so i was looking for reviews around the web to make up mind.
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The camera definitely isn't bad. But hasn't given me that wow factor. Especially in low light. Like I said I think after a couple software updates things will improve slot. No doubt the battery is good but could be better considering the Battery size
I've switched from One Plus 2 to Mate 10 and I think the Mate 10 could use some gestures,like hold home button to lock the phone etc. Right now, it's just pressing the power button to lock the phone. Bugs me.
The other thing i've noticed is that, there's no dark theme on Mate 10, but there's dark theme on the Mate 10 pro. Besides, another thing that irks me is the fact that we can't mute the shutter sound in 3rd party apps even when you're in silent mode. Like if my phone is in silent mode and I want to send a pic using the whatsapp camera, i can't disable the sound.
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The other thing i've noticed is that, there's no dark theme on Mate 10, but there's dark theme on the Mate 10 pro.
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That's because the Mate 10 Pro has an OLED screen and white backgrounds consume more power, so they give you the option to use black backgrounds to save power. The standard Mate 10 has an LCD screen and white backgrounds be are not an issue.
The always on display which doesn't display any useful notifications is quite annoying.
Dear All,
I have been using the Snote apk i got off Sam mobile, but today I started trying Samsung notes. What I can't figure out is, when you use the Create note shortcut (when one comes out) you can expand the new note and write from the very edge of the screen. But when you save it and edit it (or do a new note within the app,) it will not let you write on the edge of the screen. Instead this is used to scroll up and down using the pen. People moaned the Note 8 was not wide enough, and I agreed. I think the Note 9 does feel wider.....but then they limit your writing width space by giving you a slider bar! Really! Lol.
Does anyone know if you can turn the slider off? You can go up and down pages on everything else without the need for a side slider on both sides of the screen!
Many thanks.
Matthew
[email protected] said:
Dear All,
I have been using the Snote apk i got off Sam mobile, but today I started trying Samsung notes. What I can't figure out is, when you use the Create note shortcut (when one comes out) you can expand the new note and write from the very edge of the screen. But when you save it and edit it (or do a new note within the app,) it will not let you write on the edge of the screen. Instead this is used to scroll up and down using the pen. People moaned the Note 8 was not wide enough, and I agreed. I think the Note 9 does feel wider.....but then they limit your writing width space by giving you a slider bar! Really! Lol.
Does anyone know if you can turn the slider off? You can go up and down pages on everything else without the need for a side slider on both sides of the screen!
Many thanks.
Matthew
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This seems to be just what Samsung decided on margins (there's the same blank space on the left too) ... if you go in the "Brush" tab you get edge to edge again, but then it is added to the note as an inserted image with those same margins. I don't see, or have ever read of a way to turn this off or adjust margin width.
This isn't an issue for me as I don't really go the far to the edge- pen often slips off edge if I get too close to the curve. Plus, I prefer S-Note which doesn't have these margins.
Sorry, this isn't much help... maybe go back to S-Note (there is an official apk on the Galaxy App Store)?
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This seems to be just what Samsung decided on margins (there's the same blank space on the left too) ... if you go in the "Brush" tab you get edge to edge again, but then it is added to the note as an inserted image with those same margins. I don't see, or have ever read of a way to turn this off or adjust margin width.
This isn't an issue for me as I don't really go the far to the edge- pen often slips off edge if I get too close to the curve. Plus, I prefer S-Note which doesn't have these margins.
Sorry, this isn't much help... maybe go back to S-Note (there is an official apk on the Galaxy App Store)?
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Hi - no thats ok, thank you for replying! S-note is good, and i have used it always on the note 8, its only trouble is, the pen is way less reponsive with s-note in comparison with Samsung notes - so its a shame. Its not the end of the world.
thanks though.
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Hi - no thats ok, thank you for replying! S-note is good, and i have used it always on the note 8, its only trouble is, the pen is way less reponsive with s-note in comparison with Samsung notes - so its a shame. Its not the end of the world.
thanks though.
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I guess it's a case of personal preference. I find the Samsung notes a downgrade from the S-note and was a shame that Samsung removed the creative features of the S-note app (photo note, idea sketch, easy chart etc). The device is made complete by the software so I cant see the sense in removing useful software which was productivity enabled! I have all these features enabled however (thanks to the guys here) so perhaps you might feel differently if u had those features enabled on the S-note. I know there is a Note 8 thread somewhere and this was discussed and resolved.