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Lucid REM's keyboard

I searched but couldn't find anything about this app here so I thought I'd start a thread. If I missed it, please redirect me.
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.lucid.qwerty
Has anyone else bought and installed this? When I saw it I didn't hesitate, just bought it because of all of Lucid's other work. No it's not a finished product -- as he says in the product listing, it's a work in progress and he's quite open to suggestions, revising it pretty much daily since it appeared.
The way it works is this: most keys have two letters on them and this lets him make each key larger than the keys on the standard keyboards. To get the 1st character, press once, to get the 2nd character, quick press the key twice. You may notice there's no left or right parenthesis - in the current version (1.51.06), while there's no hint on the keyfaces, you can long-press quite a few of the keys and you'll get alternate text. For instance, long-pressing the "jk" key will give you "(" and "l" will give you ")". I bought it and am keeping it because
1) I like to support active developers
2) I like to help shape an app -- Lucid responds quickly and well to suggestions and bug reports
Do I have it set as my default input method? No. But I use it regularly cuz, well, my fingers are big and it's easier to work with two letters per key than 3
I'll post some screenshots when I get a chance (unless someone else beats me to it).

short/y said:
I searched but couldn't find anything about this app here so I thought I'd start a thread. If I missed it, please redirect me.
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.lucid.qwerty
Has anyone else bought and installed this? When I saw it I didn't hesitate, just bought it because of all of Lucid's other work. No it's not a finished product -- as he says in the product listing, it's a work in progress and he's quite open to suggestions, revising it pretty much daily since it appeared.
The way it works is this: most keys have two letters on them and this lets him make each key larger than the keys on the standard keyboards. To get the 1st character, press once, to get the 2nd character, quick press the key twice. You may notice there's no left or right parenthesis - in the current version (1.51.06), while there's no hint on the keyfaces, you can long-press quite a few of the keys and you'll get alternate text. For instance, long-pressing the "jk" key will give you "(" and "l" will give you ")". I bought it and am keeping it because
1) I like to support active developers
2) I like to help shape an app -- Lucid responds quickly and well to suggestions and bug reports
Do I have it set as my default input method? No. But I use it regularly cuz, well, my fingers are big and it's easier to work with two letters per key than 3
I'll post some screenshots when I get a chance (unless someone else beats me to it).
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Dude htc ime has that option, its compact qwerty instead of qwerty, works real well, its free, and its probably just as good as the iPhone keyboard when it come to correction and all that.. but hey if you want to support the dev cool but it looks like his idea is a little to expensive in a market where that already exist, to little to late.. also the new touchpal keyboard has the same option and i believe theres a free beta..

not cool to be cheap!
turboyo said:
Dude htc ime has that option, its compact qwerty instead of qwerty, works real well, its free, and its probably just as good as the iPhone keyboard when it come to correction and all that.. but hey if you want to support the dev cool but it looks like his idea is a little to expensive in a market where that already exist, to little to late.. also the new touchpal keyboard has the same option and i believe theres a free beta..
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I wholeheartedly agree with short/y's post. I really can contribute much to the community in yearned of developing so when I c a fellow xda members app in the market I buy. Sometimes I use it some times I dnt. I do it as a way of giving back to my fellow members of xda!

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Dude htc ime has that option, its compact qwerty instead of qwerty, works real well, its free, and its probably just as good as the iPhone keyboard when it come to correction and all that.. but hey if you want to support the dev cool but it looks like his idea is a little to expensive in a market where that already exist, to little to late.. also the new touchpal keyboard has the same option and i believe theres a free beta..
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Dude, the developers of HTC's IME aren't reading XDA nor is there any meaningful way to influence their development on a daily basis. The CooTek offering is a different story -- I was a beta tester before they released and I've used their keyboard on Windows Mobile every since -- they're good and they listen.
BUT, Lucid's HERE and listens on a daily basis. You can directly influence how it looks and how it works today. If you're not interested, that's OK. But Lucid's demonstrated time and again that he's interested in furthering Android and the community in general so I'm supporting it and him. That doesn't mean I can't support other methods, too.

Swype Woes

Swype is a incredibly awesome input method, i am addicted and i dont plan to EVER EVER LEAVE. But there are a few things that urk me about it.
#1 How come double tapping words only works in landscape mode to bring up the word choice menu?
If this was fixed, it would make my life and my #2 woe out of commission.
#2 Is there ANY WAY to remove hard coded words in the swype dictionary like
"Dint", i am SICK OF SEEING THIS POP UP. I want to type dont and 90% of the time it is dint. Yes, i know i can choose to type do not, but... its the fact of the matter here.
These are just the 2 things that are really bothersome to me at this point. I would really like to have full access to the user dictionary instead of just words we added.

I think you can get to the user dictionary through:
Settings -> Language & Keyboard -> User dictionary

...Or swype over "d-o-n-'-t" with the apostrophe. Problem solved, plus people will think you're even more intelligent than they do already!

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I think you can get to the user dictionary through:
Settings -> Language & Keyboard -> User dictionary
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that just accesses the android user dictionary not the swype one.
I agree that the it needs more control over the user dictionary. Sometimes it keeps coming up with really unusual words ahead commonplace ones. It also frustrates me that every time I update the android OS I have to reinstall swype and none of the user settings or custom words are saved. I have to start from scratch each time.

Ya, I'm used to spelling "dont" and having the phone auto correct it to "don't". With Swype, I have to use the apostrophe to get it to recognize the right word.

@op
Hello,
According to the swype developers, the double click feature for word selection is something that require OEM integration - which is why the beta version lacks it. In landscape though, the text entry box is actually part of the Swype object, which is why in that mode the double tap feature works.
Dictionary wise, all i know is they use there own custom one - Not sure you can really do much with in the official swype versions "/ Could always put a plus vote towards swype using the main android dictionary on there usersvoice account?
http://swype.uservoice.com/forums/5...797-use-built-in-android-dictionary?ref=title

czm said:
that just accesses the android user dictionary not the swype one.
I agree that the it needs more control over the user dictionary. Sometimes it keeps coming up with really unusual words ahead commonplace ones. It also frustrates me that every time I update the android OS I have to reinstall swype and none of the user settings or custom words are saved. I have to start from scratch each time.
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yeah, reinstalling is getting old lol, even my titanium backups dont restore properly. its probably so they can keep them in the beta status and expire at some point. i wish i could just buy it already and it would be in full release, i would easily pay 10-20 bucks for this.

piggie916 said:
Swype is a incredibly awesome input method, i am addicted and i dont plan to EVER EVER LEAVE. But there are a few things that urk me about it.
#1 How come double tapping words only works in landscape mode to bring up the word choice menu?
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All I do is select the word, or put the cursor into the word, then hit the swype key and that brings up the word choice menu

disgustip8ted said:
yeah, reinstalling is getting old lol, even my titanium backups dont restore properly. its probably so they can keep them in the beta status and expire at some point. i wish i could just buy it already and it would be in full release, i would easily pay 10-20 bucks for this.
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No chance, it is only going to be sold to OEM. It will not be on the market.

Kinda sad that we cannot access the dictionary. I dont see why the double tap correct works in landscape and not the other. Is there any developers out there that can change it, or are we not messing with swype anymore? The code is obviously there, and i know it would be something a TON of people that would want.

[Q] Input language in CM7

I remember having a lot more languages to choose from and now there is only one page. Before I could scroll through a lot.
Understand that I'm not talking about the locale which changes the entire phone and menus to a different language. I'm just speaking about the keyboard input language option. I'm sure Google provides all languages in Gingerbread for this as well as dictionaries for all. Where are they and how can I get/download them?
I speak a 2nd language other than English and have friends who communicate text messages using it. I hate having to switch keyboards or use anything other than stock GB keyboard.

obsanity said:
I remember having a lot more languages to choose from and now there is only one page. Before I could scroll through a lot.
Understand that I'm not talking about the locale which changes the entire phone and menus to a different language. I'm just speaking about the keyboard input language option. I'm sure Google provides all languages in Gingerbread for this as well as dictionaries for all. Where are they and how can I get/download them?
I speak a 2nd language other than English and have friends who communicate text messages using it. I hate having to switch keyboards or use anything other than stock GB keyboard.
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CM7 for the CDMA Hero no longer includes the full language pack. It may or may not be possible to add them back in after the fact, but if you build the ROM image yourself you can enable the full language pack.

Thanks Jason, I was hoping you see this post So is there a reason why they dumped most of them? After all, keyboard input can be used by others in many languages. Was it just to save space?

obsanity said:
Thanks Jason, I was hoping you see this post So is there a reason why they dumped most of them? After all, keyboard input can be used by others in many languages. Was it just to save space?
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Relevant change from Gerrit Code Review. It was part of an attempt to shrink the ROM image size. Looks like the rationale was that the biggest change would be the TTS language packs not being included, and that these could be downloaded from the market. But that is separate from the ROM languages being removed.
If you would like, I can submit a change to add the full language pack again.

jasonmaloney said:
Relevant change from Gerrit Code Review. It was part of an attempt to shrink the ROM image size. Looks like the rationale was that the biggest change would be the TTS language packs not being included, and that these could be downloaded from the market. But that is separate from the ROM languages being removed.
If you would like, I can submit a change to add the full language pack again.
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I hate to be responsible for extra size but if you could add an extra language (polish) to the list of defaults many people from my town Chicago would be happy

In case someone finds this thread here is what I found:
Some info on the android keyboard and the issue:
http://blog.cone.be/2010/08/19/android-keyboard-dictionaries/
http://blog.cone.be/2010/08/20/creating-dutch-dictionary-for-android/
http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=1827
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027207
Here is the exact keyboard but with some additional language packs which, unlike Google's, can be added later:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.moo.android.inputmethod.latin.free
I believe there is already a few submits to Google about this very issue and they will have most languages as an option language pack from their menu which you can choose to install. I hope that's coming up in Ice Cream Sandwich

[APP] 9-Keyboard -- Nokia-style typing

Hey guys,
I found an app which allows you to type text messages like on an old Nokia cellphone (except T9).
You can download it for free and without any ads from the marketplace: http://windowsphone.com/s?appid=a01a764e-265d-418b-b7e6-802936a692e0

The app is just great. It would be awesome if you could make something to introduce it in the system of the phone, so when you want to write an email or type an web adress you can change from full qwerty to this 1-9
Great job

So happy of hearing that someone still cares about alphanumeric keyboard, I was desperate because I couldn't find any alternative to QWERTY. If you'll be able to include T9 I think that your app would be perfect to text sms quickly with one hand
however I wanted to suggest something like that:
I've noticed that in settings(system)/keyboard, are already available 12-key (alphanumeric) keyboards for some languages (chinese, japanese, korean). I was wondering if it was possible to modify them in a simple way to obtain a full-system integrated keypad with T9 too =)

Btw. In your app, you cannot write numbers 2 and 0.

Nice
Just tried and rated it - nice little app, it's easy to get nostalgic using it
I can confirm the little bug about entering 0 and 2 of the previous poster, doesn't work right now.
Why not add an icon/function to paste the text to the clipboard? It's easy to do in the program, just 1 line of code, and like this one can also use the written text for e-mail, Twitter apps etc.
By the way, you gave the link to the US Marketplace. The app is probably available world wide; if you give the "deep link" as indicated in the details about the app on create.msdn.com the link will lead people directly to their particular, possibly non-US marketplace.

Swype vs 4.2 Keyboard

Just wondering what some other Swype users think of the new gesture typing in 4.2?
I like that it matches the OS aesthetically, and the smoothness of the animation (as well as how it tapers as it fades)... but it doesn't quite stack up.
- I frequently find myself digging for characters I can long press on Swype.
- The gesture keyboard doesn't seem to recognize any gestures for double characters. My last name is Cooke and I I can't type it without getting Coke.
- Swype seems a lot better at giving me corrections for when its first guess is wrong.
- Swype just overall seems more accurate when I'm quickly moving through words.
What do you think? It's at least nice knowing the option is there should Swype ever end the Beta

duraeas said:
Just wondering what some other Swype users think of the new gesture typing in 4.2?
I like that it matches the OS aesthetically, and the smoothness of the animation (as well as how it tapers as it fades)... but it doesn't quite stack up.
- I frequently find myself digging for characters I can long press on Swype.
- The gesture keyboard doesn't seem to recognize any gestures for double characters. My last name is Cooke and I I can't type it without getting Coke.
- Swype seems a lot better at giving me corrections for when its first guess is wrong.
- Swype just overall seems more accurate when I'm quickly moving through words.
What do you think? It's at least nice knowing the option is there should Swype ever end the Beta
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I find myself missing the long-press characters as well, in particular the numbers. I often type passwords with a combination of letters and numbers, and it's a pain having to switch back and forth.
Double characters work fine for me. My understanding is that every word is a prediction when you use gesture typing, and predictions work off of the dictionary. So if the word you're trying to type isn't in the dictionary, then it won't show up correctly. In your case, maybe Cooke isn't a valid word according to Google.

I tried swype and gave up on it it was so innacurate - suggesting words that didn't even make sense.
The 4.2 keyboard has been excellent.. I'm not convinced it's any faster than just typing though.

Shimakaze said:
I find myself missing the long-press characters as well, in particular the numbers. I often type passwords with a combination of letters and numbers, and it's a pain having to switch back and forth.
Double characters work fine for me. My understanding is that every word is a prediction when you use gesture typing, and predictions work off of the dictionary. So if the word you're trying to type isn't in the dictionary, then it won't show up correctly. In your case, maybe Cooke isn't a valid word according to Google.
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I love it but it takes practice. I like the new jb version better than swipe..
Just a tip - go into your dictionary and shortcuts to the words that get misspelled.
I also love the voice typing.. If you have not tried it trust me, you will love it.
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I prefer it too Swype, double characters aren't a problem, in fact I prefer Google's system. No doing a swirl on a character, just let it figure it out for you.

Shimakaze said:
I find myself missing the long-press characters as well, in particular the numbers. I often type passwords with a combination of letters and numbers, and it's a pain having to switch back and forth.
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You can long-press the top row of letters to get numbers; no need to switch back and forth for alphanumeric passwords.
Also, 16 of the most common symbols are accessible via a long-press on the "." key. The most common one that's not on the main keyboard, ",", is the one that's accessed by just long-pressing "." and releasing it, which I thought was creative and very handy; the remaining ones are accessed by a long-press and then a slide to the one you want. I actually think it will work better than Swype for less-frequently used symbols once I get used to it, since I don't have to search the keyboard to remind myself which key I need to press for the one I want.
I think the gesture keyboard is just about as accurate as Swype in my usage, but I agree that the suggestions for a missed word aren't as good, and two alternatives is clearly not enough.
I don't think the bubble floating along above my finger as I trace adds any utility (for me, at least); I'm usually tracing fast enough that I can't read what it has recognized so far, and it's faster just to finish the word than to slow down to look and see if it has the correct answer yet. For people who trace slowly, though, I guess it would be helpful.
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Rusty! said:
I prefer it too Swype, double characters aren't a problem, in fact I prefer Google's system. No doing a swirl on a character, just let it figure it out for you.
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The more recent versions of Swype don't require looping on double characters, either, which was one of the things I really hated about earlier versions. In fact, I used other tracing keyboards (SlideIt, FlexT9) instead of Swype until Swype changed.

For me, typing with Swype y far better than using the 4.2 stock keyboard. The word recognition is much accurate. Using 4.2 Keyboard, I find myself retyping several times until the word that I want is recognized.

Cooke is in my dictionary for sure - the predictive nature of the keyboard does at least suggest it to come up after my first name.
Interesting that most of you prefer the 4.2... I'm curious, are you people who tried Swype and didn't like it, or people who have been using Swype as their default for the last year or so. It just might be differences in technique. I do it quite quickly.
Tony - I swipe as quickly as a fast touchscreen typer with 2 hands in landscape. The difference is that I get to do it one-handed in portrait. That, to me, is where the convenience lies.
One other features that I really miss when using Google's: after swiping in a bunch of words, Swype lets you tap on them in the text box and swap to the different suggestions. Google only seems to maintain the most recent.
Edit: Again, I don't mind doubling up on letters. The option to not do it is nice, for sure, but I prefer the accuracy.

The swiping feature on 4.2 looks pretty but I think it's not really there for the phone but rather for tablets. Pecking out words even in portrait on the N10 is unbearable for me. Swiping is the only way I can half way efficiently type out a sentence or post. Maybe if you have spider hands you can peck it out but I have a really hard time with it. I wish they would have just made the keyboard have the ability to split. I know there's other keyboard software out there that can take care of this, but none of them look like the stock keyboard. A minor point, but the stock keyboard look and layout is home to me. The other ones don't seem to mesh with the look of android as well.

duraeas said:
The difference is that I get to do it one-handed in portrait. That, to me, is where the convenience lies.
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My thumb isn't that coordinated! I trace pretty quickly, but only with the index finger of my right hand while holding the phone with my left. If I tried to do it with my thumb, I'd drop the phone for sure!
duraeas said:
One other features that I really miss when using Google's: after swiping in a bunch of words, Swype lets you tap on them in the text box and swap to the different suggestions. Google only seems to maintain the most recent.
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The gesture keyboard isn't much worse than Swype in that regard: if you double-tap on a word, you get a "replace" button that gives you a list of suggested alternatives, and nearly always what I intended to type is in that list (YMMV). The main thing I miss about Swype is that it remembers your cursor position: if you double-tap and correct an earlier word, when you're done the cursor goes back to where it was before you double-tapped. I'd really love to have that back (although I'm lazy and probably won't bother to install Swype on my N4; the gesture keyboard is good enough, IMHO).

wmm said:
My thumb isn't that coordinated! I trace pretty quickly, but only with the index finger of my right hand while holding the phone with my left. If I tried to do it with my thumb, I'd drop the phone for sure!
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You should have your pinkie under the phone so it can't drop

IMO...
I've been using Swype since February or so. I strongly prefer the old Swype. The newer beta that was merged with FlexT9 no longer lets you swipe symbols, which was a killer feature. For example you could swipe from the key that held : as a long-press, and ) as a long-press, and it would give you a smiley as one of the alternatives. You could do this even with symbols that weren't shown as alternatives on the normal keyboard, as long as you added them to the dictionary, so you could do things like <hugs> if you wanted. Swype has so far not implemented anything remotely similar, and neither has Google. In fact, some of it has become even worse with the Google keyboard. Try typing "^^". I use all these emoticons a lot.
So I guess I'd say that I prefer the old Swype most, then the Google keyboard (which seems nicer than the new Swype beta to me), and then the Swype beta. I could never go back to picking out letters one by one. It's a lot more muscle movement and near-impossible to do while walking down a street or something.
That said, unfortunately my Nexus S old Swype APK is for 800x480, so it looks silly on an N4. I was planning to go find an xhdpi version somewhere, but I've been using the Google keyboard, and I'm fond of it just for typing out text. I'd be mostly happy switching to it if it did punctuation.

4.2 keyboard seems more accurate to me. Swype was more inaccurate for my use. Also I like how I can type normally and then gesture type when I want without switching keyboards. Also this is the first iteration of it and its equal to if not better than swype which has been in beta for like 3 years.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

kayateia said:
I'd be mostly happy switching to it if it did punctuation.
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If you turn off word prediction, the bar at the top displays punctuation.
Assuming that's what you meant, of course.

I love the keyboard. I used Swype for a long time and this feels almost exactly like it except that the keyboard is great for tap typing and swiping. The word prediction has been fine for once I stopped trying to use it like a Swype keyboard and got back into the habit of sweeping again. I still tap a lot when I can use both hands, but for one handed typing its hard to beat swiping.
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The only thing i like about swype better is that it would automatically add words to my dictionary. With 4.2 i find the vocabulary a little more limited and and adding words manually is painful. Other than that i find it more accurate and faster, but I'm still on an old galaxy captivate patiently waiting...

TonyHoyle said:
I tried swype and gave up on it it was so innacurate - suggesting words that didn't even make sense.
The 4.2 keyboard has been excellent.. I'm not convinced it's any faster than just typing though.
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I find the exact opposite. I find the stock keyboard to be very inaccurate when using the swype feature. I am using the real swype again now and loving it much more than stock. I guess you get used to one way when you've been using it a long time
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Accuracy is fine - perhaps even better. But "added words" sucks so far. I have to continually add things like "Down8" (my username here & other places), and it never seems to stick.
I'm sure Google's keyboard will improve, but I may end up on Swype until then.
-bZj

down8 said:
Accuracy is fine - perhaps even better. But "added words" sucks so far. I have to continually add things like "Down8" (my username here & other places), and it never seems to stick.
I'm sure Google's keyboard will improve, but I may end up on Swype until then.
-bZj
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You're doing it wrong

i find the typing feature in Swype is better in 4.2, when of course I'm not swyping.
I prefer it over the 4.2 keyboard but maybe cause I've been use to Swype for over a year and a half now.