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I've been trying to switch in between backed-up ROMS using Clockworkmod without success. I have to use ODIN to flash back to STOCK Eclair, and root it before I can flash another fresh ROM using Clockworkmod.
None of the backups I make work when restored, and goes into the AT&T-screen-reboot-loop.
I don't want to use ODIN because it's froze during the flash & bricked 2 phones that I've had to send back for warranty replacement. NOT GOOD!
I know that in the market Clockworkmod states that you must use a "compatible" ROM, but I've never seen a ROM in XDA that specifically state's it's compatible (I've installed Cognition & Perception's latests.)
I've read about having to remove any lag-fixes before installing, but if it's built into the ROM how is this done?
Even if I have to flash back to a backed-up stock ROM before re-flashing a new ROM that'd be fine, but this has never worked. No ROM I back-up with Clockworkmod has ever been restored successfully, making me use ODIN, which twice has bricked my phone.
Is there a solution?
Nope, odin is it. You can try to flash the rom you have a backup of over your current then try the backup but you are playing with fire.
How did you manage to brick two phones with odin? That program is used by everyone who flashes for the most part, and although I have heard of issues the over whelming consensus its that it its easy and reliable
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mcord11758 said:
How did you manage to brick two phones with odin? That program is used by everyone who flashes for the most part, and although I have heard of issues the over whelming consensus its that it its easy and reliable.p
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How? I dunno! lol
ODIN basically freezes and won't progress while doing the actual flash. I've used ODIN before w/o problems, but twice now it's frozen in the middle of the flash & bricked the phone. The phone was 100% dead (didn't try a jig as some suggested yet though.) Won't power on, go into download mode/recovery. Nothing.
I was really hoping to avoid using ODIN. Crap!
metalgeek said:
I've been trying to switch in between backed-up ROMS using Clockworkmod without success. I have to use ODIN to flash back to STOCK Eclair, and root it before I can flash another fresh ROM using Clockworkmod.
None of the backups I make work when restored, and goes into the AT&T-screen-reboot-loop.
I don't want to use ODIN because it's froze during the flash & bricked 2 phones that I've had to send back for warranty replacement. NOT GOOD!
I know that in the market Clockworkmod states that you must use a "compatible" ROM, but I've never seen a ROM in XDA that specifically state's it's compatible (I've installed Cognition & Perception's latests.)
I've read about having to remove any lag-fixes before installing, but if it's built into the ROM how is this done?
Even if I have to flash back to a backed-up stock ROM before re-flashing a new ROM that'd be fine, but this has never worked. No ROM I back-up with Clockworkmod has ever been restored successfully, making me use ODIN, which twice has bricked my phone.
Is there a solution?
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What others have said is it possibly is related to CWM and our file system. Something along the lines of if you are flashing a ROM over another ROM and the kernels, modem, etc being different will cause the boot loop. That seems to be what has happened to me. It is always recommended by Dev's (even though it is not always necessary) to go back to stock and flash your Rom. Remember though, once you have your update.zip for CWM on your phone you do not need to root. Just do 3 button combo or ADB command to get to recovery mode.
I've searched and read FAQs a lot already. I read the threads that XDA suggested before posting this.
I've been doing a lot of reading and I'm a little fuzzy. Want to root my gf's AT&T Captivate (JH7) and install Froyo for her but still a little unclear on exactly how everything fits together.
From what I've gathered so far I can use the update.zip method to install Clockwork Recovery and make a nandroid backup of her current configuration without even rooting it, right?
Then can I just flash whichever ROM I want? Will the ROM.zip update her to the correct modem/kernel at that time?
About using ODIN to restore - do I restore to the version she is on NOW or the version the phone originally shipped with, if different? And do I REALLY need to ODIN restore between ROMs or is a full wipe with CWM recovery enough?
Also read that CWM recovery doesn't work with Froyo at this time so can't do nandroid backups of Froyo ROMs?
Somebody catch me up... with my mt3g and mt4g I'm totally comfortable but this stuff is confusing me. I'm fairly comfortable with adb and already used it to sideload an app for her without rooting.
Thanks for your help guys.
I'm pretty new at this too so I'll try to answer what I can.
Before you try anything, just make sure you can get into recovery and download mode.
Recovery:
- Hold Vol Up + Vol Down + Power button.
- from adb type reboot recovery
- from Rom Manager, select the Reboot to Recovery option.
Download
- Hold Vol Up + Vol Down and insert the usb cable. This works for me. Getting Odin to detect it can be a bit tricky. I usually start Odin first, then connect phone.
- from adb type reboot download (I think)
From what I've gathered so far I can use the update.zip method to install Clockwork Recovery and make a nandroid backup of her current configuration without even rooting it, right?
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Not sure to be honest. The way I do it is that I install Rom Manager from the market first. It will ask you for root though. I like this way better as you can download and install the appropriate update.zip from the app. Rooting is very very easy. You can use this tool:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739304
Then can I just flash whichever ROM I want? Will the ROM.zip update her to the correct modem/kernel at that time?
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To be safe, I only try ROMs that I find in the Captivate Development sub forum. Most of them can be installed with CWM. Place the *.zip in the root of your internal SD card, reboot into CWM and select the install .zip from card option. Don't freak out.
There is also a way to flash roms from Odin but I've never tried it to be honest.
About using ODIN to restore - do I restore to the version she is on NOW or the version the phone originally shipped with, if different? And do I REALLY need to ODIN restore between ROMs or is a full wipe with CWM recovery enough?
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I believe it will restore to Samsung's stock version (I897UCJF6). Check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
Remember that this is only for the Captivate. It is safer to do a full restore whenever you are trying a new rom. The only exception, I think, is when you are upgrading versions (say, Darky's 7.8 to 8.0)
Also read that CWM recovery doesn't work with Froyo at this time so can't do nandroid backups of Froyo ROMs?
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I always install it using ROM manager and it works fine.
Now, from what I've been reading and doing this week, I learned that apart from the ROM, you can also flash the kernel and model separately, in case you have specific needs. For instance, I flashed glitterball's kernel to overclock the phone. Just remember that 2.1 Roms need 2.1 kernels and modems, the same applies for 2.2. Here is a list of modems: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835272
I'm currently trying out the TLJL3.
Remember that there are many ways to get to Rome. Also, use Titanium Backup to save your apps.
tl;dr:
1. Root.
2. Install CWM.
3. Verify that you can access recovery and download mode.
4. Download ROM (CWM .zip installable).
5. Read read read.
Much more detailed guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
LOADING CUSTOM ROMs
Phateless said:
I've searched and read FAQs a lot already. I read the threads that XDA suggested before posting this.
I've been doing a lot of reading and I'm a little fuzzy. Want to root my gf's AT&T Captivate (JH7) and install Froyo for her but still a little unclear on exactly how everything fits together.
From what I've gathered so far I can use the update.zip method to install Clockwork Recovery and make a nandroid backup of her current configuration without even rooting it, right?
Then can I just flash whichever ROM I want? Will the ROM.zip update her to the correct modem/kernel at that time?
About using ODIN to restore - do I restore to the version she is on NOW or the version the phone originally shipped with, if different? And do I REALLY need to ODIN restore between ROMs or is a full wipe with CWM recovery enough?
Also read that CWM recovery doesn't work with Froyo at this time so can't do nandroid backups of Froyo ROMs?
Somebody catch me up... with my mt3g and mt4g I'm totally comfortable but this stuff is confusing me. I'm fairly comfortable with adb and already used it to sideload an app for her without rooting.
Thanks for your help guys.
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Hmm... Most of your answers can be found in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884364
The ROM file would contain a kernel and a modem that will update her current kernel and modem. She can flash the kernel and modem of her choice after installing a custom ROM without breaking anything.
For Backing up use Titanium Backup, u need to ROOT your phone using directions in the earlier link provided.
When using custom ROMs it is always better to do a full wipe and flash to stock and master clear, i.e JF6 (using Odin one-click, or Odin with 3-button) or JH7 using the DG version.
You can follow
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10056254&postcount=36
Update.zip file once installed would load CWM from which you can install custom ROMs. Once you install custom ROMs, they are always rooted, and you needn't root again. It's a one time thing.
Hope this resolves everything..
Thanks for your replies, guys, I'm actually very familiar with rooting and flashing. To clarify, I already know HOW to install a custom ROM, that's not the issue. I'm more concerned about compatibility once I start installing custom stuff, and about UNROOTING if I need to. It sounds like if all I'm doing is installing a custom recovery and then a custom ROM, I don't really need to worry about it.
I always opt for manual method through recovery as opposed to Rom Manager.
I would use SuperOneClick for the stock ROM as I've used it before without issues. Most likely I would use the update.zip method to install clockwork recovery so I can make a nandroid backup of her completely unrooted stock setup before proceeding.
I can get into stock recovery just fine but haven't tried download mode yet.
And yes I would ONLY flash ROMs for the Captivate specifically, unless someone manages to complete a port for Sense.
Sounds like your good to go then.
... and Odin is just the cheap and easy method to return the phone back to stock.
So if you ever need to give it back and need it restored this is the easiest method to do it. But I would suggest formatting the internal SD Card to make sure there are no remnants of you playing around with the phone.
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Sounds like your good to go then.
... and Odin is just the cheap and easy method to return the phone back to stock.
So if you ever need to give it back and need it restored this is the easiest method to do it. But I would suggest formatting the internal SD Card to make sure there are no remnants of you playing around with the phone.
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Agreed, will definitely do that.
I also heard that when using ODIN to restore to JF6 the OTA update to JH7 won't come back on its own?
lol yea.. but it doesn't matter unless you were wanting to keep it on "stock".
If your flashing or returning the phone your ok with keeping it on JF6.
If your phone came with JH7 and you have issues with Odin one-click, you might want to look at this guide, it has worked great for me and many others:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10056254&postcount=36
How do I know what build number her phone is? I see references to build number 1010, but I don't know if this phone CAME WITH jh7 or if that was an update. I bought it used. If I try to restore to JF6 will that brick it??
EDIT - found it. She's a 1007. So if I used ODIN-3 to restore to JF6, how do I get back to JH7? Reading elsewhere it seems that a nandroid restore won't include the baseband?
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So if I used ODIN-3 to restore to JF6, how do I get back to JH7? Reading elsewhere it seems that a nandroid restore won't include the baseband?
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Download the Mini Kies from here Download Center for SEG-I897ZKAATT.
Make sure the phone asks for USB on connection and select Kies mode when you plug into pc. Then open Mini Kies, it should recognize your phone and tell you an update is available. Follow the instructions from there.
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Download the Mini Kies from here Download Center for SEG-I897ZKAATT.
Make sure the phone asks for USB on connection and select Kies mode when you plug into pc. Then open Mini Kies, it should recognize your phone and tell you an update is available. Follow the instructions from there.
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Ok cool, thanks for your help! Already downloaded Kies from the Samsung website.
About to flash her phone but saw something somewhere about backing up some *.nv file to preserve her IMEI# and stuff? Can you link me to a guide on that? Can not for the life of me remember where I saw that.
My brother rooted his Captivate 6 months ago or more. He kept the stock ROM, and now would like to try a custom ROM. Unfortunately, he doesn't remember much about what he did. He said he downloaded a program, plugged in his phone, and it rooted him.
I assumed that I should be able to boot into recovery and flash a ROM from there. I looked up how to boot into recovery, and tried the 'hold down vol/up and power on' approach. Instead of a recovery menu, it goes directly to some kind of update screen with this text:
movi-check start..!!
... <lines removed>
install default apk files please wait
I've searched for these lines, and cannot find why this is coming up. I did find that this should have ended with a message that the install finished, but after leaving it for 10 minutes, it seemed to just reboot. Perhaps the message did come up, and then it immediately rebooted.
Does anyone know why the phone is in this state where there is no recovery menu? If I install ROM Manager and flash ClockworkMod is that likely to work and not cause harm?
Need a little more info... is it stock 2.1 or 2.2? If it's Froyo 2.2 then the stock recovery is tricky to get around if you're new to flashing or modding.
jack man said:
Need a little more info... is it stock 2.1 or 2.2? If it's Froyo 2.2 then the stock recovery is tricky to get around if you're new to flashing or modding.
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Thanks. It is stock 2.2.
I am not new to flashing, and I'm comfortable with adb and other tools. I'm just not familiar with the Samsung Captivate.
Is the screen that comes up with 'movi_check' the stock recovery? it appears to be automatically trying to update something.
Probably just be easier to use Odin to flash stock 2.1 and root and get recovery on it. Then you can flash any (2.2) ROM you want on it, or you could use Odin or Heimdall to flash Gingerbread onto it (recommended). There are tutorials all in the development section.
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Reamer09 said:
Probably just be easier to use Odin to flash stock 2.1 and root and get recovery on it. Then you can flash any (2.2) ROM you want on it, or you could use Odin or Heimdall to flash Gingerbread onto it (recommended). There are tutorials all in the development section.
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If its a newer build it wont like 2.1 (alot of newer builds bootloop with 2.1). If your captivate is one of the newer builds and has the 3e recovery here is a guide to get past it.
As to flashing Gb you will need GB bootloaders wich carries risk. Please READ on how too and risk that may happen. Its a small risk but you can hard brick the phone if you mess up bootloaders or if the booloader fails to flash.
Another option is flashing KB1 2.2 froyo and using Desing Gear's Cog 4.x.x kernel. You will have clock work mod. There's a ton of ways to do it most of wich are in the forums already so search and if you have doubts ask
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If its a newer build it wont like 2.1 (alot of newer builds bootloop with 2.1). If your captivate is one of the newer builds and has the 3e recovery here is a guide to get past it.
As to flashing Gb you will need GB bootloaders wich carries risk. Please READ on how too and risk that may happen. Its a small risk but you can hard brick the phone if you mess up bootloaders or if the booloader fails to flash.
Another option is flashing KB1 2.2 froyo and using Desing Gear's Cog 4.x.x kernel. You will have clock work mod. There's a ton of ways to do it most of wich are in the forums already so search and if you have doubts ask
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It crossed my mind that newer builds wouldn't like 2.1, but I wasn't 100%, that's why I recommended going to GB. Just reading the instructions a few times and being prepared the risk is very low to hard brick. Just make sure to know exactly what you're doing when you choose which files for the primary and secondary boot loaders.
But said person is asking info on something as simple as rooting, Hence there are easier less evasive ways to get past 3e.
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But said person is asking info on something as simple as rooting, Hence there are easier less evasive ways to get past 3e.
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Just to clarify, I'm not asking about rooting, but about flashing and the recovery console. I'm an EVO user, and I just don't know the idiosyncrasies of the Captivate.
Am I correct that the messages I get when trying to go to recovery (starting with movi_check start) are normal, and that after those messages I should get the recovery console? If so, it seems to be stuck on the "install default apk files please wait" step, as this doesn't seem to complete.
I do see the steps on how to flash, and can follow them carefully, but since I am not getting the recovery console, I am not sure what might be wrong.
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Just to clarify, I'm not asking about rooting, but about flashing and the recovery console. I'm an EVO user, and I just don't know the idiosyncrasies of the Captivate.
Am I correct that the messages I get when trying to go to recovery (starting with movi_check start) are normal, and that after those messages I should get the recovery console? If so, it seems to be stuck on the "install default apk files please wait" step, as this doesn't seem to complete.
I do see the steps on how to flash, and can follow them carefully, but since I am not getting the recovery console, I am not sure what might be wrong.
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You can't flash a rom with stock recovery. You need clockwork mod wich can be achieve by using rom manager (needs root) or flashign with Odin a kernel that has it built in
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You can't flash a rom with stock recovery. You need clockwork mod wich can be achieve by using rom manager (needs root) or flashign with Odin a kernel that has it built in
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Thanks for your help. I do understand I can't flash with stock recovery.
Both the 'Read BEFORE flashing' and the 'How to Install a custom ROM' guides instruct to install clockwork mod. I am aware that installing a new recovery needs to be done before flashing on probably any device.
I guess my primary confusion was whether the 'movi_check start' verbage is normal to see when I am trying to go to Recovery before installing Clockwork. Another google search finally found a hit that says it is normal to see this. I'm still not clear whether I should be concerned that it hangs on the "install default apk files" step.
Since it hangs, I don't ever get any kind of recovery menu, so it wasn't obvious to me that I was actually in the stock recovery.
Assuming this doesn't indicate any issues, I'll proceed with the instructions and all should be well.
Well I hope you are able to work it out. ^^
Haven't bothered flashing a ROM since Cognition 4.3, which I've been extremely satisfied with.
Now, there's GB, ICS, JB, etc...
I'm probably headed to an ICS ROM, and I wanted to know what the pain is going to be like.
Obviously I'll be pulling a full back-up of the phone to my PC, but I want to lose as little as possible, so I guess my plan is as follows:
1. Filesystem backup via USB.
2. TiBu back-up of apps + generate update.zip
3. Nandroid back-up
4. ????
5. Boot in (new?) recovery, run TiBu update.zip
6. Boot phone, restore with TiBu.
Please fill in the blank, here.
What do I need as far as bootloaders?
Do I have to break out Odin or are there update.zips that will flash new bootloaders from CWM?
If I decide that I hate the new ROM and miss Cognition, am I going to be able to run Froyo again on the same bootloader or is it going to be a serious pain in the ass to get back to where I was?
I'm familiar with the (Froyo) procedures for flashing ROMs, kernels, modems, GPS firmware, etc. I jumped ROMs weekly for the first two months or so after I bought my Cappy (Dec 2010). I'm not a total n00b, but this seems slightly more involved than just Eclair -> Froyo flashing.
With the new bootloader, is the Captivate still indestructible? (apart from using a hammer, of course)
Thanks in advance to anyone with good answers.
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Haven't bothered flashing a ROM since Cognition 4.3, which I've been extremely satisfied with.
Now, there's GB, ICS, JB, etc...
I'm probably headed to an ICS ROM, and I wanted to know what the pain is going to be like.
Obviously I'll be pulling a full back-up of the phone to my PC, but I want to lose as little as possible, so I guess my plan is as follows:
1. Filesystem backup via USB.
2. TiBu back-up of apps + generate update.zip
3. Nandroid back-up
4. ????
5. Boot in (new?) recovery, run TiBu update.zip
6. Boot phone, restore with TiBu.
Please fill in the blank, here.
What do I need as far as bootloaders?
Do I have to break out Odin or are there update.zips that will flash new bootloaders from CWM?
If I decide that I hate the new ROM and miss Cognition, am I going to be able to run Froyo again on the same bootloader or is it going to be a serious pain in the ass to get back to where I was?
I'm familiar with the (Froyo) procedures for flashing ROMs, kernels, modems, GPS firmware, etc. I jumped ROMs weekly for the first two months or so after I bought my Cappy (Dec 2010). I'm not a total n00b, but this seems slightly more involved than just Eclair -> Froyo flashing.
With the new bootloader, is the Captivate still indestructible? (apart from using a hammer, of course)
Thanks in advance to anyone with good answers.
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If you want to flash ICS or any newer rom, you should probably get Gingerbread via Kies, root, and install CWM. Many ROMs run on Gingerbread bootloaders, and many who didn't run GB beforehand, had display problems. After that, you can flash any rom you want
I just went through this and wrote up my experience here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800169
bottom line is that Slim Bean worked the best for me.
As for installation, this is a pretty good guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1350266
I recently did this with Slim Bean from gingerbread stock.
1. Use Odin or Heimdall to install Speedmodem kernel. (The only difference between Gingerbread and Froyo is whether you flash the bootloaders too.)
2. When the phone reboots in recovery, go to mount > usb. Make a back up of the internal drive and copy Slim ICS to the internal drive and flash it
3. ** Warning ** step 2 will install an updated CWM and completely format the internal drive, so make sure you make the back up.
4. Because it wipes the internal drive, it'll go into a boot loop, so remove the battery and boot back to recovery.
5. Repeat step 2 but also copy and flash the slimcommon zip.
6. Reboot and make sure it works.
7. Repeat step 5 but using Slim Bean and Bean Common zips.
8. reboot and done
When I did this, under Slim ICS the IMEI was wrong and it wouldn't make phone calls and but under Slim Bean, it all worked fine.
One issue with Slim Bean is that some apps don't show up in the Market, however, I was able to restore them with TiBu just fine.
Alternatively you can go straight from stock to CM10. It's actually simpler because it doesn't format your internal drive. You just flash it, reboot to recovery, and flash again. CM10 wouldn't work right on my phone though. (See first link for details.)
The first thing I had to do to root this phone was flash a kernel which put on CWM.
Then I flashed CM10.1 which put on a newer CWM.
Then I flashed on kernel which put on a branded version of CWM.
On my previous phone, the recovery partition was flashed separate from anything else. This seems a much safer idea as no matter what you flash onto the phone you can always go to recovery to mend it.
The way this is on the SGS, if I flashed the wrong thing I could surely break recovery as easily as the rom and be stuck. Is this a technical limitation in that the SGS doesn't support recovery as usefully as it might or what?
This presumably also makes it impractical to have the recovery I want? If I flash a touch recovery for instance then it's just going to be removed next rom update.