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might be a stupid question in general but is any developing heading towards steering up the ****ty smoothness in the galaxy s in general?
feels like im running 5 fps at some points, so i was kinda wondering..
ofc iops is is crap aswell but i dont really mind ****ty accesstimes as long as the smoothness is preserved, so~
can anything be done about this or do i throw this piece of .."phone" under my 70ton excavator? ;(
//regards azure
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There are plenty of fixes.
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sadly none of em fixes the smoothness, they just boast higher io rate not fps >_<
im not sure if you know what the difference between "rendered frames per sec" is vs "reads/writes from an sdchip" causing i/o lag
but in short it means theres 2 types of "lags" one of them being addressed atm, and sadly its not the fps one.
or are my demands too high to request from the phone? >_<
I'm not really sure what exactly you're referring to when you say "smoothness", but try using a different launcher (I'd recommend LauncherPro). LauncherPro has always felt "smoother" to me!
yes, a good example of smoothness on 2.1. whats worse is that on the new firmwares it constantly dips when it goes beneath 22mb cache causing a frameratedrop, and due to the galaxy s being hampered with vsync w/o the fps to back the refreshrate up it stutters i.e gets halved fps for a short amount of time, might just be a sec or 2 but when its constantly there it starts to grow out as a nail in the eye ;(
and my highest wish ofc is to be able to use the tw appdrawer style which isnt possible with anything else today ;(
although thank you very mucho for the tip and im open for any other suggestions aswell, gonna try to get a hold of the driverfile in the meantime
people are trying to tell you the problem is not in the video, which is true.
you are experiencing the lag, that many are complaining about.
the system lags when you've got too many apps running or iddling in the background.
you can either install the various lag fixes people have developed
or you can simply install a good task manager + auto run killer and control which apps to allow in memory, and which should be closed when not in use.
well quite frankly i dont even need a single app installed or opened to see it, just freshly install any 2.2 fw and pinch, there you have it, open up the apppreviews in the same manner, once again, even if it opens up faster with any lagfix (ill hand you that much atleast since ive tried all availible fw's and lagfixes, kernels you name it) it still looks at the very least as its frameskipping like an old NES >_<
if that is the case, it might be a defective screen/video in your unit.
might want to consider having it exchanged..
I can count at most roughly 5 people that have mentioned something similar to what you found.
Personally i'm still on stock 2.1 and i do not see those flame skipping you have described.
do you have any App specifically where to reproduce this?
i play 3D games and run all kind of apps in my SGS and it've yet to see a skipped frame
aye i do too and i havent noticed anything quite as severe as the homescreen other when the framerate drops from vsync 1:1 to 2:1 or even 4:1 ( clearly visible in quadrant bench when its up on 56 its smooth and when it drops to 30 its choppy) ideally id just wanna rid myself of it since i doubt ill have to worry about screentearing on an sgx540 lol and the biggest hickup would be somewhat soothened since i imagine the real frame drop is less than 50%, anyways thx for the feedback, gonna have it turned in for a check and stop using the ip4 >_<
//cheerz azure
I was just wondering since i cant find a good wallpaper to use.
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nomadman said:
I was just wondering since i cant find a good wallpaper to use.
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Depends on the live wallpaper itself, I'd say read the comments on the one you might be interested in (in the market) and see what people say about its impact on battery life
from experience, id say it doesn't affect battery life all that much, but puts a MAJOR drain on performance, i used to use the microbes live wallpaper, and the ui was slow and laggy, after losing it, was buttery smooth but i guess that it does depend on the specific one you use
You know you can check this down to an exact percentage with multiple third-party battery apps, right?
i am using Koi fish live wallpaper...very sligh impact on the battery...but i always use live wallpapers...it never showed up in the battery graphs in settings
Post 2 and 4, your assumptions don't provide any information on the topic. if all the comments on Market only provide, "works great!, nice, sucks, thanks!", how does that help with diagnostics? and do provide you screen shot of a graph showing the wallpaper running...
@ coffmad and viny2cool,
I'm using a very minimal animated wallpaper. when you touch something on the screen is the only time it moves. and when it moves, again, its minimal as far as animations are concerned. so i'm thinking no significant battery drain.
Another thing I always wanted to know is, when you have an app on the foreground, does an animated wallpaper work in the background?
I was wondering the same thing. I have used a live wallpaper before on my phone (Epic 4g) and found it to take about a 7-10% hit on battery life through out the day. I decided it was too much do to the amount that I use my phone throughout the day. But I've thought about putting one on my TP. If it's less than 5% then I'm in.
Hello Fellow Members,
Okay I have been reading a lot of complaints about the Note being laggy and frankly even I came across a couple of Galaxy Notes at two different malls/stores on display and they both lagged like anything. Although the lag was for just a couple of seconds but it was very frustrating. I noticed the lag throughout in the OS, right from swiping the home screens to scrolling in the settings or scrolling the browsing or while opening the apps. (Any app). And it became even more frustrating to see a previous model (Galaxy s2) working as smooth as melting butter. I operated them side by side and, man the difference was noticeable, seriously NOTICEABLE. I was soooooooooo disappointed. I had the cash with me but I was just not willing to believe, such a high spec’d phone would lag . And eventually I came from the store without purchasing one .
I have read on XDA forums also where many G-Note users have complained about their experiences of Galaxy Note being laggy. Hence, I would “request” you all to please make short videos of your galaxy Notes, upload on youtube and share the link with us here, so that someone who wants to buy a NOTE would see the amount of laggyness of the phone and then decide, whether this lag is acceptable or inacceptable for him/them. Please show the scrolling on contacts, S-pen notes, swiping between home screens, scrolling the browser etc.
Please guys, come forward and do so, as I youtubed a lot but couldn’t find videos showing the laggyness of Note. All videos are filled with how smooth and fast the NOTE is. And seeing that, I went to purchase one but….
P.S: Rooting isn’t an option for me as this will void the warranty and I don’t want to void my warranty. Hence no rooting
Also, people say that ICS will solve the issue. I have seen on other phones that initially it does make the device faster but with daily usage, it becomes same as it used to be with the previous version of OS.
Rooting will void your warranty but but if done in correct way you can unroot and get it back.
Older firmware were slow and laggy but LC1 and LC2 are smooth.
Have you tried V6 SuperCharger or ThunderBolt scripts before ? You'll need root though.
These littile thing inject steroids in your phone.
Wait wait wait wait.
You have used such difficult Jargons of Andriod world that I am just not able to catch you up .
Okay, as you have mentioned, V6 SuperCharger or ThunderBolt scripts will require Rooting my device (although I have no idea what are V6 SuperCharger or ThunderBolt scripts), but tell me these LC1 and LC2 are firmware updates, right? And they can be updated "without" rooting the device. Isn't it?
And this update will make G-Note blazing fast, like s2?
Guys, please respond and help.
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Wait wait wait wait.
You have used such difficult Jargons of Andriod world that I am just not able to catch you up .
Okay, as you have mentioned, V6 SuperCharger or ThunderBolt scripts will require Rooting my device (although I have no idea what are V6 SuperCharger or ThunderBolt scripts), but tell me these LC1 and LC2 are firmware updates, right? And they can be updated "without" rooting the device. Isn't it?
And this update will make G-Note blazing fast, like s2?
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Dont compare Note and S2. The same processor and same GPU in S2 powers a smaller screen with less pixels and less DPI. Here in Note you have the same processor and GPU power a huge HD screen with the best DPI in business. Also all the apps are built on hdpi resolution while the note is xhdpi resolution so the apps and launchers tend to get laggy. Also there is no hardware acceleration supported in much apps. I am using ICS Stunner and using it on 240 dpi which is hdpi resolution and its silk smooth. Butter!
And i dont have time to make videos. So if you can then take my word. If not then each one to his own
Cheers!! Enjoy your Note!!
You don't need to be rooted to update firmware.
Use pc odin or built-in OTA (Over The Air - Phone updates itself using 3G/WiFi) update feature.
update to the latest stock firmware released in 2012.....should b much smoother. But we're all waiting for ics which should be out very soon.
advice: go bak to the shop......remove all widgets on homescreen and/or change wallpaper to static nd try. I have noticed that some live wallpapers and widgets cause lagginess. I usually remove everythng from the homescreen and start adding them 1 by 1 and checkng.....one widget sometimes is the culprit.
Ics should smooth everythng as some have reported.
Owned a Note and 7.7
7.7 slightly slower than Nexus, Note is laggy, esp when not turned off for days.
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Dont compare Note and S2. The same processor and same GPU in S2 powers a smaller screen with less pixels and less DPI. Here in Note you have the same processor and GPU power a huge HD screen with the best DPI in business. Also all the apps are built on hdpi resolution while the note is xhdpi resolution so the apps and launchers tend to get laggy. Also there is no hardware acceleration supported in much apps. I am using ICS Stunner and using it on 240 dpi which is hdpi resolution and its silk smooth. Butter!
And i dont have time to make videos. So if you can then take my word. If not then each one to his own
Cheers!! Enjoy your Note!!
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Thanks for your comment.
I am not saying it should run games which require excellent acceleration or requires immense power from GPU, as I am not into heavy mobile games. All I require is butter smooth execution of day-to-day usage. Be it scrolling contact, scrolling web page, swiping through 10 application screens or swiping 7 home screens.
using it on 240 dpi which is hdpi resolution
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Waht's the actual dpi for Note? Or this is the original dpi?
russeini said:
update to the latest stock firmware released in 2012.....should b much smoother. But we're all waiting for ics which should be out very soon.
advice: go bak to the shop......remove all widgets on homescreen and/or change wallpaper to static nd try. I have noticed that some live wallpapers and widgets cause lagginess. I usually remove everythng from the homescreen and start adding them 1 by 1 and checkng.....one widget sometimes is the culprit.
Ics should smooth everythng as some have reported.
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Your response is somewhat relieving I must tell you. But the comment under your post is disturbing . I mean I want a butter smooth tock ROM device and after paying $607 for G-Note, I don’t want to regret and speed it a “very” essential part of my checklist of a smart phone.
unpro said:
Owned a Note and 7.7
7.7 slightly slower than Nexus, Note is laggy, esp when not turned off for days.
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Have you ever tried updating its firmware and stuff to make it faster? (as mentioned above in this post) If you have and still it lags, then that’s a concern for me (and perhaps for your and for many others too who are thinking of owning one)
filthykid said:
Thanks for your comment.
I am not saying it should run games which require excellent acceleration or requires immense power from GPU, as I am not into heavy mobile games. All I require is butter smooth execution of day-to-day usage. Be it scrolling contact, scrolling web page, swiping through 10 application screens or swiping 7 home screens.
Waht's the actual dpi for Note? Or this is the original dpi?
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I never specifically told about games. To have everything buttery smooth u require hardware acceleration which gpu provides in the apps browser and launchers. So gpu is not just for games. Now you got why i told you all that above. To have everything running smooth on such big screen and resolution u require hardware acceleration. Ever noticed lag in all third party launchers? Its becoz they don't have hardware acceleration. The stock TW launcher is partially hw accelerated so still runs somewhat smooth.
The original dpi of Note is 321
BOOMED from my BOMBASTIC NOTE
Tbh you can't really blame the note for being a tad laggy since it is basically a computer and all computers ( even the best) will come across a type of lag within its lifetime.
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I never specifically told about games. To have everything buttery smooth u require hardware acceleration which gpu provides in the apps browser and launchers. So gpu is not just for games. Now you got why i told you all that above. To have everything running smooth on such big screen and resolution u require hardware acceleration. Ever noticed lag in all third party launchers? Its becoz they don't have hardware acceleration. The stock TW launcher is partially hw accelerated so still runs somewhat smooth.
The original dpi of Note is 321
BOOMED from my BOMBASTIC NOTE
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
krhn said:
Tbh you can't really blame the note for being a tad laggy since it is basically a computer and all computers ( even the best) will come across a type of lag within its lifetime.
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Well then that sucks
here is a tip to the op.. You will find 99% of all problems you look for.. If you didnt look, you would not know there are problems.
The key to happiness in life is being happy with what you have and setting your expectations ot a reasonable level..
If you dont need the large screen, go buy something else. If you do need the large screen, then you have no choice but the note..
so either relax and enjoy your note or be paranoid about this and every other device on the planet, and buy every new device as it comes out and drive yourself into a frenzy of despair about this problem, that problem, this issue that issue until you realise all this agony and money has not fixed a single thing in your life, you are stressed, depressed and you end up a bankrupt nuerotic..
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here is a tip to the op.. You will find 99% of all problems you look for.. If you didnt look, you would not know there are problems.
The key to happiness in life is being happy with what you have and setting your expectations ot a reasonable level..
If you dont need the large screen, go buy something else. If you do need the large screen, then you have no choice but the note..
so either relax and enjoy your note or be paranoid about this and every other device on the planet, and buy every new device as it comes out and drive yourself into a frenzy of despair about this problem, that problem, this issue that issue until you realise all this agony and money has not fixed a single thing in your life, you are stressed, depressed and you end up a bankrupt nuerotic..
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This device has NOTHING bad in it.. Just the LAG LAG LAG!
Nice post though! Loved it.
I am using stock GB and I have almost no lag. Maybe you should make a video and show us what lag you are talking about.
I am using stock rom (gingerbread) at the moment and experience none of the lag you refer to. I also tried some of the ics roms and also no lag.
The only time my phone 'hesitates' is sometimes when I unlock it as it switches from widget locker to lock screen. Now as it is a 3rd party app doing it, I can hardly blame the note. I love my note and even got rid of my galaxy nexus and asus tf101 when i got the note.
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filthykid said:
Have you ever tried updating its firmware and stuff to make it faster? (as mentioned above in this post) If you have and still it lags, then that’s a concern for me (and perhaps for your and for many others too who are thinking of owning one)
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It's on the latest firmware available in my country (Malaysia)
All I can think is, Gingerbread is just far inferior to ICS or Honeycomb. Nokia Lumia is a lot faster too (hope that word is not banned here)
Then again, some items images/video captured in 7.7 is only 3.2mp vs 8mp.
Hey Everyone,
I've been trying to figure this out for a while.
Is anyone seeing choppy scrolling on their Note?
I was just watching the HD demo movie for 'townsmen premium'.
When you get halfway through the movie, to the gameplay section, the movie pans slowly to the left, and it is noticibly choppy.
I experience the same problem on backgrounds of 2d scroller games sometimes, like broken sword, or garfield's revenge.
Is this happening to you? I always believed it's just that the CPU/GPU are underpowered for the Note's resolution (which is why i keep pushing against a resolution bump). It's my biggest reason for considering the Note 2.
It only really glaring when the entire background is scrolling - most of the time it's just fine. I sometime wonder if there's just not enough frame memory or something to scroll the entire screen. (yes, I made that up).
If it's NOT happening to you, can you post:
1) What ROM you are using
2) Are you overclocked, if so to what
3) Are you using any relevant settings (i.e. force GPU rendering)
4) Anything else possibly relevant.
- Frank
I have no stutter or scrolling issues, even with live wallpapers. Here is my current setup:
ROM: Clean Note 4.00 (LRK)
Kernel: Note Core V12
Launcher: Nova Launcher Prime 1.2.2, 7 pages filled with 5x5 widgets.
No overclock, Force GPU Rendering is turned on.
I use to experience lag and stutter on GB, but ICS helped much to improve that and this current Clean Note/Note Core/Nova setup that I'm using feels very smooth. Some poorly coded live wallpapers will still stutter and I get occasional launcher redraw when the web browser has eaten up tons of RAM, but all in all I'm very pleased.
Hope that helps.
The smoothest combination I've found is:
CleaNote v5 ROM (v4 was just as good) plus
Notecore v12 OC (this runs at 1.6ghz and is a little smoother when navigating around, opening and closing apps, playing games etc.)
I have force gpu rendering off. I think Gavin said in his kernel thread that with the optimizations in his kernel it's not necessary, and may even impede performance, or negate the benefits of the kernel.
I don't watch a lot of video, but hd YouTube clips work fine for me.
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smoothest I found is cm9 and aokp
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I'm using the same as richlam, the scrolling performance is improved when running a good overclocked Kernel with a lightweight ROM.
I'd lie if I said I never see the odd judder, but I'm hoping we get to butter up on the TW roms real soon
CleaNoteCore <3
I owned a T705, it was my phone and tablet, i loved it.
However, the camera was bad, and the whole Interface was very jittery.
I understand that this device is not getting updates from Samsung, but man, i sure miss the screen real state, also beautiful.
Have lollipop custom roms reached a state where they improve over samsungs touchwiz performance?
I am considering it, alas i read that a new Tab S might be coming.
Thanks.
We have unofficial build of cm12 and its very stable. Way better than touchwiz too. Its still being worked on so its not perfect. CM11 is great on it also. Both do improve performance over touchwiz. There is also a new tab s coming soon but that always expected from samsung. Up to you
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We have unofficial build of cm12 and its very stable. Way better than touchwiz too. Its still being worked on so its not perfect. CM11 is great on it also. Both do improve performance over touchwiz. There is also a new tab s coming soon but that always expected from samsung. Up to you
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How is the battery life of the cm12?
This is what I got. I measured screen on times and standby times and this is what i got. This is from the T800 so you may get less because of lte and other stuff
Well, one of the problems if you own a T-705 is that under CM you will lose the phone features (CM 11 and 12 are for the T-700 only). I suggest that you try IronRom instead: definitely smoother than stock.
One rumor we heard is that the next generation flagship tablet will have a 4:3 screen ratio and a 64-bit processor, but it won't be coming until the end of year or late summer at the least. My preference is to have a 16:10 screen on my tab s.
I'd like a 4:3 personally since I do way more reading on my tablet than anything else. 16:10 is better for watching videos, but that's what I have my TV for
I don't have the money to upgrade so soon though
Thank you all for your Input.
My question is, with say, IronRom, is the performance improvement noticeable?
I found The Tab S beautiful, but very choppy overall, maybe the processor wasnt optimized for 2k, even with some custom ROMs (i used Selamba mostly back in the day) the performance of the UI was very below par, however, applications ran well enough, this led me to believe that it might have been touchwiz and not the hardware itself.
Thank you.
Satorikn said:
Thank you all for your Input.
My question is, with say, IronRom, is the performance improvement noticeable?
I found The Tab S beautiful, but very choppy overall, maybe the processor wasnt optimized for 2k, even with some custom ROMs (i used Selamba mostly back in the day) the performance of the UI was very below par, however, applications ran well enough, this led me to believe that it might have been touchwiz and not the hardware itself.
Thank you.
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Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
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Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
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I wish there was a video on how it works on the user interface, i currently own a OnePlus one and have the chance to sell it, i miss the size of a tablet, but i dont want to regret getting it and find out the stutter is still there, there are rumors that it will be getting Lollipop soon too (Tab S), and maybe those optimizations will make the difference.
Thanks again.
Satorikn said:
I wish there was a video on how it works on the user interface, i currently own a OnePlus one and have the chance to sell it, i miss the size of a tablet, but i dont want to regret getting it and find out the stutter is still there, there are rumors that it will be getting Lollipop soon too (Tab S), and maybe those optimizations will make the difference.
Thanks again.
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Lollipop is coming in march/april (sammobile confirmed/estimate). I couldnt find a video on the performance
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Lollipop is coming in march/april (sammobile confirmed/estimate). I couldnt find a video on the performance
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I was planning to get the T-705 because i dont like carrying two devices around, thats the thing with CM11/12, they dont support calls, so id have to go with IronRom with is pretty much touchwiz, and while it may have optimizations, i dont expect miracles
Satorikn said:
I owned a T705, it was my phone and tablet, i loved it.
I understand that this device is not getting updates from Samsung
Thanks.
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Wait. WHAT??
No, they are updating it, but official updates stopped at 4.4.2, now we have news that they will update it to Lollipop, but after release, there was no continuous updates as with their other devices, and for some people, it was a good sign that samsung just abandoned the device, that's what i meant.
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Iron rom is great. No lag in touchwiz and even with the stock touchwiz launcher, its all smooth. Battery life and performance is great on it too.
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Come on guys, which part of the stock GUI or launcher is actually choppy? Where is the mythical lag? Haven't seen it myself.
Akopps said:
Come on guys, which part of the stock GUI or launcher is actually choppy? Where is the mythical lag? Haven't seen it myself.
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The part where its choppy on stock firmware is just scrolling through the launcher. It lags when just scrolling through the launcher and switching between some apps (ex clash of clans). Iron rom has none of that. Sometimes the GUI lags when you have too many apps open and it uses all the ram. Example like 16 games open all at once. It can freeze and force a reboot. GUI doesnt lag that much like the launcher. Hope this helps!
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The part where its choppy on stock firmware is just scrolling through the launcher. It lags when just scrolling through the launcher and switching between some apps (ex clash of clans). Iron rom has none of that. Sometimes the GUI lags when you have too many apps open and it uses all the ram. Example like 16 games open all at once. It can freeze and force a reboot. GUI doesnt lag that much like the launcher. Hope this helps!
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I am not sure which part of scrolling through launcher is supposed to give lag. I have three screens worth of application icons in the app launcher and I had no problems with those. As for having 16 games open, I don't see how that represents typical usage.
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I am not sure which part of scrolling through launcher is supposed to give lag. I have three screens worth of application icons in the app launcher and I had no problems with those. As for having 16 games open, I don't see how that represents typical usage.
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Lol yeah. If your a typical user, 4-6 apps open or less, it can handle it. 16 apps open would be a user who stresses the cpu and gpu.
Well, in my experience there is some lag basically everywhere with the stock ROM, not only in the launcher. Loading pages and scrolling is also slightly choppy in any browser, and also in applications that use WebView components.
I wouldn't rate this as very evident, especially because the CPU has plenty of cores, but it is there.
With IronRom + SkyHigh kernel + Nova Launcher + things get smoothened just that small bit that makes everything feel right
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Well, in my experience there is some lag basically everywhere with the stock ROM, not only in the launcher. Loading pages and scrolling is also slightly choppy in any browser, and also in applications that use WebView components.
I wouldn't rate this as very evident, especially because the CPU has plenty of cores, but it is there.
With IronRom + SkyHigh kernel + Nova Launcher + things get smoothened just that small bit that makes everything feel right
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My main problem with the 705 is the poor battery life. Does IronRom improve this?