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S-on ROMs?

As title states, What is a GOOD ROM that will still work with S-on? I have Elegancia ROM on it now, But I am not too fond of it. Battery life is pretty rubbish and it's sorta buggy. Why don't I S-off? Because I'm afraid of bricking my ONLY phone.. and where I live isn't close to someone who can do it for me (Nor would anyone, anyways) But I want a GOOD ROM that will work with S-on and is de-sensed. Thanks

As far as de-sensed goes you only have three choices- wajeeh's desensed Rom, virtuous Rom, or MIUI. All of those work with S-on as I've tried all of those. If you want completely stable with great battery but not de-sensed then check out the Illuminati Rom. I switch between MIUI and Illuminati regularly and both of them are real good as far as battery life go.
I'm S-on and will probably stay that way until I find a different phone.
Sent from Illuminati land.

I screwed up my S-OFF a couple of times (because I missed a vital prep step). It was frustrating, but to my surprise it didn't brick the phone. I was able to restore the stock software etc. and try again.
Anyway - Isn't it possible that any custom rom could work with S-ON? (as long as the extra step of manually flashing the kernel/boot.img is done?)
I was on Wajee Desensed 1.5 for a while - I really liked it... but eventually I missed sense. Now I'm on the latest PureVelocity and loving it.

Anyway - Isn't it possible that any custom rom could work with S-ON? (as long as the extra step of manually flashing the kernel/boot.img is done?).
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Yes as long as you flash the boot.img via fastboot

ronnie498 said:
Yes as long as you flash the boot.img via fastboot
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Another question!! What exactly does S-on prevent me from doing? Can I still install a new / different kernel with fastboot even if I am S-on? A co-worker said my battery life might be crap because of the "stock-ish" kernel I am using. Or does S-on prevent me from flashing a new kernel even through Fastboot / USB?

ZackFearheart said:
Another question!! What exactly does S-on prevent me from doing? Can I still install a new / different kernel with fastboot even if I am S-on? A co-worker said my battery life might be crap because of the "stock-ish" kernel I am using. Or does S-on prevent me from flashing a new kernel even through Fastboot / USB?
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S-on
Cannot flash boot.img via recovery
S-off
Can flash kernel & Rom via recovery

ronnie498 said:
S-on
Cannot flash boot.img via recovery
S-off
Can flash kernel & Rom via recovery
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So basically all that means is if I wanna flash a kernel I HAVE to be s-off? Or does that just mean I have to use fastboot / usb / cmd to do it?

ZackFearheart said:
So basically all that means is if I wanna flash a kernel I HAVE to be s-off? Or does that just mean I have to use fastboot / usb / cmd to do it?
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I may not have said that clearly, S-OFF means you do not have to flash boot.img (kernel zip) via fastboot, you can flash it through recovery
with S-ON you have to use fastboot to flash the boot.img.

ronnie498 said:
I may not have said that clearly, S-OFF means you do not have to flash boot.img (kernel zip) via fastboot, you can flash it through recovery
with S-ON you have to use fastboot to flash the boot.img.
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So, Basically if I wanna install a new kernel with S-on, I can still do it... just through fastboot? I'm lost. I wanna flash Elegancia's custom kernel, And not the "stock-ish" kernel to my device.

ZackFearheart said:
So, Basically if I wanna install a new kernel with S-on, I can still do it... just through fastboot? I'm lost. I wanna flash Elegancia's custom kernel, And not the "stock-ish" kernel to my device.
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that is correct you can still flash a new kernel through fastboot, how ever the customize kernel in the rom is for s-off and can not be flash with fastboot. I know it gets confusing at times but he makes a kernel that u can flash http://d-h.st/rBg it is customizable. The kernel devs will let you know in their threads if you need s-off to use them etc.

[Q] confused about S-on vs S-off

For what it's worth, I have a new SIM unlocked Bell Mobility Raider upgraded to the latest stock ICS. Bootloader still locked, no root, S-ON
I am thinking of trying different kernels and ROMs but I don't want to do the whole S-OFF thing (I find it insane that we need to do the whole wire trick)
So far, my understanding is that with S-ON, I can unlock the bootloader, then get root access to the phone, then flash a new kernel using fastboot and then flash a new ROM.
With S-off it would make it easier to flash kernel and ROM at same time.
Is this correct?
My confusion: I read in some threads that with S-ON, the radio looks at the firmware and won't load a third party kernel/ROM. Is this so?
Can I change the kernel and ROM while keeping S-on, or not? I was thinking of trying the holics kernel which, if I understand it correctly, has a boot image for flashing using fastboot.
Also: with S-on, is it harder to brick the phone/ easier to recover? What happens if the flashing of new kernel fails, can I recover back to stock?

S-on - You cannot flash unsecured
.img files ( kernels, etc. ) in recovery.
S-off - You can flash everything in recovery.
There really isn't any benefit in having S-off unless 1. Your lazy and don't wanna use fastboot 2. You don't have a PC to use fastboot with.
All the Roms/kernels out can be flashed either way.
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Use the HTC Vivid All in One Toolkit v.1.0 by Hasoon 2000, when it tells you to perform the wire trick, peel the ends off a twist tie you use for trash bags, place on the connectors and count,(one thousand one), take the wire off and you've got the easiest way to S-off. It's worth it vs being S-on. It simplifies everything. I know that doesn't answer your whole question but should help.
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Yea ivwas nervous about the wire trick but just follow the guide its really easy as long as you only touch those 2 points you can't go wrong
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Exactly what he said I used a old Co-Axl Cable to do it if that how you spell it LOL sorry it 5:30 in the morning I'm Tired as HELL xD

Yeah, the wire trick isn't bad, but also, it only takes a few extra minutes each time you flash a ROM to flash the kernel over fastboot. No big whip if you don't mind the extra steps. That said, I still recommend S-OFF in case you want to try a stack of ROMS. Then you can switch them on the go without being tethered to a computer.
I'd also recommend using TWRP recovery over CWM for your recoveries, as CWM for our phone doesn't support large backups. If you flash a ROM, install all your apps, backup, flash a new ROM, and decide to restore, you'll be screwed if your backup is over a certain size in CWM. I learned that the hard way, but loosing all my data! (You can use TWRP whether you stick with S-ON or not).

bswann said:
S-on - You cannot flash unsecured
.img files ( kernels, etc. ) in recovery.
S-off - You can flash everything in recovery.
There really isn't any benefit in having S-off unless 1. Your lazy and don't wanna use fastboot 2. You don't have a PC to use fastboot with.
All the Roms/kernels out can be flashed either way.
Sent from Illuminati Land.
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KozmikKernel 13_beta and any newer kernels released by KozmikKick doesn't support and will not work on S-on devices

elbscorp said:
KozmikKernel 13_beta and any newer kernels released by KozmikKick doesn't support and will not work on S-on devices
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Not true, I was running beta 13 with the Elegancia Rom before I switched to WCX Illuminati and I'm S-on.
There is a guide in one of Synergy's threads over on rootz. It involves booting a recovery from fastboot and flashing the kernel then booting into the recovery on the phone to flash the Rom. I used a few times for kernels and it worked every time.
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bswann said:
S-on - You cannot flash unsecured
.img files ( kernels, etc. ) in recovery.
S-off - You can flash everything in recovery.
There really isn't any benefit in having S-off unless 1. Your lazy and don't wanna use fastboot 2. You don't have a PC to use fastboot with.
All the Roms/kernels out can be flashed either way.
Sent from Illuminati Land.
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bswann said:
Not true, I was running beta 13 with the Elegancia Rom before I switched to WCX Illuminati and I'm S-on.
There is a guide in one of Synergy's threads over on rootz. It involves booting a recovery from fastboot and flashing the kernel then booting into the recovery on the phone to flash the Rom. I used a few times for kernels and it worked every time.
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If I am misinformed I apologize. I am S-off and also used Elegancia Rom(Pegasus) I was going by info posted in the ROM thread and Kozmik's thread.
Faqs for Pegasus & Blitz ICS SENSE 3.6
These have only been tested on Amon RA recovery. If you can't find it then Clockwork should work if not try a different recovery.
This rom can only be flashed if you are already on ics.
Also you must have S-Off. If you do not then it should still flash (unsupported) everything except for the boot.img. You will need to extract the boot.img and flash it in fastboot. If you are S-On and elect to flash this then you MUST select Stockish Kernel when you are installing the rom as KozmiKKernel does not support S-Off.
kozmikkick
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I am no longer supporting phones that are not S-Off. Get S-Off now Then just flash zip in recovery and select your options!

Yea, when I read that in kozmick's thread originally that's when I remembered the link in Synergy's thread showing the workaround for it.
Sent from Illuminati Land.

bswann said:
Yea, when I read that in kozmick's thread originally that's when I remembered the link in Synergy's thread showing the workaround for it.
Sent from Illuminati Land.
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Very cool. Would you send me a link to that thread? sounds interesting

elbscorp said:
If I am misinformed I apologize. I am S-off and also used Elegancia Rom(Pegasus) I was going by info posted in the ROM thread and Kozmik's thread.
Faqs for Pegasus & Blitz ICS SENSE 3.6
These have only been tested on Amon RA recovery. If you can't find it then Clockwork should work if not try a different recovery.
This rom can only be flashed if you are already on ics.
Also you must have S-Off. If you do not then it should still flash (unsupported) everything except for the boot.img. You will need to extract the boot.img and flash it in fastboot. If you are S-On and elect to flash this then you MUST select Stockish Kernel when you are installing the rom as KozmiKKernel does not support S-Off.
kozmikkick
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I am no longer supporting phones that are not S-Off. Get S-Off now Then just flash zip in recovery and select your options!
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Not to get off topic but does that Rom drop to edge all the time? Or does data stay on hspa/lte. Cuz. I tried a different port and it would always drop to edge and stay there even tho I have faster speeds here
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ZeRo2o9 said:
Not to get off topic but does that Rom drop to edge all the time? Or does data stay on hspa/lte. Cuz. I tried a different port and it would always drop to edge and stay there even tho I have faster speeds here
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I didn't have a problem with that

elbscorp said:
Very cool. Would you send me a link to that thread? sounds interesting
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Here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28397272&postcount=214
Its post #214 by daspazz.
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S-OFF Necessary?

Is it necessary to s-off for installing custom roms? is it more safe to install the roms and kernels like we do in one-x?
thx

kami2k said:
Is it necessary to s-off for installing custom roms? is it more safe to install the roms and kernels like we do in one-x?
thx
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no its not necessary to S-OFF for installing custom ROMs, all you need is unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (TWRP/CWM):good:
and yes its totally safe to install roms and kernels without PC unlike on One X :laugh:
just flash 'em from recovery

The only benefit to S-OFF is you have a get out to get back to stock if you need to as you can flash one of the early RUUs that leaked. If HTC released RUUs to the public there would be no need to have S-OFF unless changing the splash screen is important to you

EddyOS said:
The only benefit to S-OFF is you have a get out to get back to stock if you need to as you can flash one of the early RUUs that leaked. If HTC released RUUs to the public there would be no need to have S-OFF unless changing the splash screen is important to you
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S-OFF is needed I think if you want to change HBOOT or downgrade OS versions for ex from 4.2.2 to 4.2.1, but how about correct CID and S-ON again?

EddyOS said:
The only benefit to S-OFF is you have a get out to get back to stock if you need to as you can flash one of the early RUUs that leaked. If HTC released RUUs to the public there would be no need to have S-OFF unless changing the splash screen is important to you
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So without S-OFF, I can't go back to stock ROM after installing custom ROM, right?
What about before installing a custom ROM, I create a backup with TWRP, can I use this backup to return to stock?

htcm7 said:
So without S-OFF, I can't go back to stock ROM after installing custom ROM, right?
What about before installing a custom ROM, I create a backup with TWRP, can I use this backup to return to stock?
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Yes. You would only need s-off if an ruu isn't available for your cid.
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If you have to ask then no....
S-OFF often introduces more problems then it's worth, especially when your not very experienced. It is a great tool to fix stuff when you really screw up, but it also allows a lot more control then most people can handle. If you so S-OFF then just remember to never S-ON unless you are already back 100% stock.
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Anyway if you are on the HBOOT 1.54 you wont be able to S-OFF...

htcm7 said:
So without S-OFF, I can't go back to stock ROM after installing custom ROM, right?
What about before installing a custom ROM, I create a backup with TWRP, can I use this backup to return to stock?
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You will be able to go back to stock if you can get hold of the original recovery as well as using your backup (for the love of God make a backup!!!). S-OFF means you can use one of the rare publicly-leaked RUUs to get back to stock

EddyOS said:
You will be able to go back to stock if you can get hold of the original recovery as well as using your backup (for the love of God make a backup!!!). S-OFF means you can use one of the rare publicly-leaked RUUs to get back to stock
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Sorry, not sure if i understand your information correctly.
What do you mean by 'get hold of the original recovery'?
If I backup stock ROM using TWRP and when I want to go back to stock, can I just restore my backup without a use of RUU?

htcm7 said:
Sorry, not sure if i understand your information correctly.
What do you mean by 'get hold of the original recovery'?
If I backup stock ROM using TWRP and when I want to go back to stock, can I just restore my backup without a use of RUU?
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Yes but you wouldn't be able to install OTA updates without the original recovery image

so only if u want ruu u do s-off otherwise no reason......

S-OFF allows you to flash an RUU earlier than your current build, e.g. I can flash the 1.28.401.7 on top of my current 2.24.401.8 whereas without S-OFF I wouldn't be able to

but if a new rom came with new built u can install that, who needs s-off then?

As I originally said, you don't need S-OFF if you have no need to go back to stock. If you need to send the phone to HTC for repair, having S-OFF means you can get the phone back to 100% stock and showing 'locked' as opposed to 'relocked' so they won't know you've ever done anything to the phone.
Otherwise you're taking a chance on HTC refusing the repair

Do I need s-off?

So I'm new to HTC, I've mainly been using Samsung phones so things were much different then (so you could say I'm a textbook newbie).
I just rooted and unlocked my HTC One but I just found out that I can't S-off since I'm on hboot 1.54.
After researching for a while I read that the system, recovery and boot partitions are not locked with s-on. So does that mean I can freely flash custom roms?
All I really am planning to do is try out different roms, flash different kernels and so on. I'm not planning to flash different bootloaders or radios so would I need S-Off?

You can mod you phone as you like with s-on.
But, for example, you can't donwgrade your hboot or upgrade the firmware with some zip.
You can't change the splash screen when you turn on your device...
And, the best quality of the s-off, is that you can restore as fully stock your phone

Guich said:
You can mod you phone as you like with s-on.
But, for example, you can't donwgrade your hboot or upgrade the firmware with some zip.
You can't change the splash screen when you turn on your device...
And, the best quality of the s-off, is that you can restore as fully stock your phone
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But can I flash custom roms using recovery?

minamfm said:
But can I flash custom roms using recovery?
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Yuuup, rom, kernel, mod, theme

Is it worth to s-off?

Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
What are the benefits of s-off

S-off is good, as long as you can do it without issues. I broke my USB port while trying to s-off. I can't plug my phone into pc, it goes to car mode, and refuses to charge at all. Many people have faced this issue, and this is a software + hardware issue. Just warning you, tho im running ARHD with my own mods on it for about 2 years all without s-off.
Cheers ^_^

I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible

AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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As far as I know sunshine is the only way to get s-off on that hboot so you'll need to pay $25. On the matter if it's worth buying that's up to you. Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware and I know some ROMs require s-off. Always research what could go wrong just to make sure you can s-off in the safest way.

AleXand3rr said:
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
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You don't need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery nor a custom rom. Is it worth it? Well if you don't need it, no.
What are the benefits of s-off
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If you don't know what are the benefits of having S-OFF then you probably don't need it. Unlocking the bootloader remove the signature check and disable security from the /system, /boot, /recovery and /radio partitions so you can flash custom software like roms, kernel, recovery and radios. S-OFF remove the signature check and security on the remaining partitions like /hboot, /pg1fs, /pg2fs and /mfg which make it possible to flash flash unsigned firmware like a custom hboot for example. This also make possible to downgrade or change your firmware version. With access to the mfg partition you can change your MID number and with the pgfs partitions you can remove the ***tampered***, ***re-locked*** and ***security warning*** flags. S-OFF also enables some blocked "fastboot oem" commands like "fastboot oem writecid" which make it possible to change your CID number. Well a lots of useful things but nothing required to flash a custom recovery and rom.
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I broke my USB port while trying to s-off
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Achieving S-OFF itself can't broke your USB port, its most likely an hardware problem only or you did something wrong once s-off.
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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There isn't any free alternative to sunshine on hboot 1.61.
Mikecosta64 said:
Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware
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Since he is already running hboot 1.61 he already have one of the latest 7.xx.xxx.x firmware version which is all he need to run all the recent roms. So even if he keep is phone S-ON, firmware isn't something to worry about.
and I know some ROMs require s-off
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Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:

alray said:
Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
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Well most of them but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.

Mikecosta64 said:
Well most of them
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All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off
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Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
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I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.

alray said:
All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
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Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not, but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years. Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked." Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition? I am S-off, and I have never been able to successfully flash /system. It always returns a permission denied error of some kind. Maybe it works with KitKat and below, and from Lollipop on you need an Eng bootloader to flash /system through fastboot?
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"

firejuggler86 said:
Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not
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Me neither, my first HTC device was in 2012, the One X (Tegra variant)
but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years.
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Probably, there a lot of old guides (back in the nexus one days) saying that you need S-OFF in order to ROOT which is false when speaking about the One M7 but not so false when speaking about the Verizon One M7 (this one requires s-off since bootloader unlock is not available from htcdev.com)
Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
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I think its a combination of false informations and outdated informations. For example, some ppl are still saying that you must flash the kernel (boot.img) using fastboot after flashing a custom rom on a S-ON phone. This was true for older HTC devices, but not needed on the M7 (and i guess newer devices) since the boot partition isn't secured and can now be flashed from custom recovery. There are some ppl confusing ROOT and Unlocked bootloader (they think unlocking the bootloader = rooting the phone which are 2 totally different things). A lor of outdated/false(or applying to a specific device only) information online. Better to look for the most recent information available for the correct device. :good:
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked."
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Yep, exactly what I was saying above, its very useful to have s-off. But is it needed to flash a custom recovery and rom (question asked at post #1)? Absolutely not.
Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition?
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You don't need s-off to flash the system partition, only an unlocked bootloader but it can only be done from custom recovery, not from fastboot.
If you absolutely want to flash /system from fastboot then I suppose you can make a custom ruu.zip with the system image only and flash it in RUU mode. In this case you will need S-OFF since its required to flash an unsigned ruu.zip.
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
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Me too but imo its a coincidence only. The methods used to achieve S-OFF doesn't requires any hardware modification. You only have to use the appropriate exploit (software) for your bootloader version and the only one requiring your phone to be connected with a usb cable is rumrunner. The other exploits like Revone or Sunshine for example are running directly from your phone, without any computer. I'm 99.99% sure achieving s-off itself can't cause hardware damage since its done using software as opposed to the hot wiring method you described. Anyway what I'm saying in this thread might not apply for other HTC devices but I'm pretty sure everything I'm saying is 100% correct for the M7.

Yes. Plain and simple.