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I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex
Buy a Nexus......
I would, but I can't afford one
moonscapex said:
I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.
Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.
I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.
OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.
The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they
Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?
If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are
Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..
protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.
I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.
What do you guys think? Do you wanna have a Android ROM, and please tell why.
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What do you guys think? Do you wanna have a Android ROM, and please tell why.
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Because in can make this phone useable...
Yes, because I would like to have a smooth operating system.
+1 to the idea but i think the problems with backlight should be top priority
Not yet, because many things are not working and for example now you can restart device and use WM for gps. This would not be possible with rom.
But when most things are sorted out, ROM would be a great option.
I agree with you matejdro, android is working okay now but not good enough. A couple of things aren't working which are important to use.
i think before a ROM can even be considered, android needs to be able to recognise all hardware and then it needs to be able to work with all hardware. once android is at this stage, it could then be made into a ROM.
Nice system to use and two xperia one with wm one with Android, but too manny issue yet
Yes, I would very much like to see an Android ROM for the Xperia, for the following reasons:
1. I don't like WinMo that much, and I would be happy to replace it on my Xperia altogether in favor of my favorite OS.
2. It's over a year since I last used the Xperia as my main device, and I mainly use it for experimentation now, so I wouldn't mind an Android ROM even if the port still is a bit buggy.
3. You wouldn't have to launch Haret in order to run it.
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you launch Android through Haret, it isn't run concurrently with Windows Mobile, right? But still, having a dedicated ROM ought to speed up Android a bit, when it's not launched through WinMo.
5. The internal storage is faster than memory cards, so that would speed up things a bit as well.
I'm really looking forward to an Android ROM, just wish I could do more to help making it
Thanks
Yes, but, it is needed a working screen light/bluetooth/gps/headphones
it is still not working in android.
But, i wouldn't rewrite ROM to android. For me is better to use heater.exe. 2 minutes(just like windows) and android is ready!
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Yes, but, it is needed a working screen light/bluetooth/gps/headphones
it is still not working in android.
But, i wouldn't rewrite ROM to android. For me is better to use heater.exe. 2 minutes(just like windows) and android is ready!
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u mean HaRET not heater right? xD
indy.89 said:
i think before a ROM can even be considered, android needs to be able to recognise all hardware and then it needs to be able to work with all hardware. once android is at this stage, it could then be made into a ROM.
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but before making a ROM every thing wud e fixed then only a ROM can be made out of it not before fixing every thing
broknheart_008 said:
but before making a ROM every thing wud e fixed then only a ROM can be made out of it not before fixing every thing
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thats not true, you could probably make a ROM out of android as it is now, you just wouldnt have windows mobile to fall back on, and your battery would drain instantly!
Yes, but ill wait till all things will be fixed.
Xperia is the perfect phone for android rom.
The disign and construction is thinner and most elegant than any other android phone, even nexus....
I can donate for working rom, and also be an betta tester.
+1
Yeah I would really like to have an Android rom for my Xperia. There are no good phones with qwerty keyboards on Android. Couple of HTC phones have keyboard and Android on them, but their hardware is not impressive at all.
I might be getting a Xperia X10 soon, but it doesn't have a keyboard. I find keyboard is important for me, but there is no point in buying phones like HTC hero as I have X1.
As long as Samsung S pro doesn't comes out I would love have an Android ROM on my X1.
rom instead of windows
it would be nice to see it in reverse, android rom working as main boot and run windows on sd card
so if you need to have gps, or send mms (TP2 you cant) so if you can here I did not say a thing.
anyways whatever is not working and you really really need to use it then boot winmobile.
+1 on beta test. I do not have a gsm carrier, but if selected I will go and buy a prepaid sim or just pay month to month on the new tmobile plan
pm me thanks
but to answer your question why a rom, the battery is a drain huge. and just love to show it to the others "Droid" users, what their device CAN'T
I WANA HAVE IT I WANNA HAVE IT!!!!
But i WAnt to have the HERO interface on my X1..i really really like Hero...
circleofomega said:
I WANA HAVE IT I WANNA HAVE IT!!!!
But i WAnt to have the HERO interface on my X1..i really really like Hero...
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HERO INTERFACE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641021
dexteral said:
HERO INTERFACE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641021
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This didnt work for me :S
It booted but was stuck on the HTC Hero boot-up screen... Then it looped repeatedly...
Any help?
Hello guys!
I've got nice price for my Desire, so I'm going to sell it. Since my Leo took a shower few weeks back it is dead. But, I've found a Diamond, not used. And the price is very low. About 1/3 of what I get for my Desire. BUT, I only want this if I can install Android on it.
I've found this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751), does this realy work? If it does, I'm going to buy this in this week.
I've waiting for Evo, but since it is not available in my country (yet), I want to buy something "cheap" and use it when I wait for my Evo and then have it as my backup mobile.
Well, let me make the long short, does this phone with Android (If it is possible) work for everyday use? I've read that lots of "Force Close" pops up?
Thanks in advance
Lots of respect for XDANDROID ... I am using it (and continuously update to the newest build) ... but not as a productive system for daily use.
Two main reasons for me:
1. battery consumption improved but still ..
2. limited memory of the Diamond ...
You may go through the thread of XDANDROID to see further comments ...
BTW, there is also XDANDROID 2.2 out now (alpha though)
Cheers!
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Lots of respect for XDANDROID ... I am using it (and continuously update to the newest build) ... but not as a productive system for daily use.
Two main reasons for me:
1. battery consumption improved but still ..
2. limited memory of the Diamond ...
You may go through the thread of XDANDROID to see further comments ...
BTW, there is also XDANDROID 2.2 out now (alpha though)
Cheers!
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Hello! Thanks for your answer.
I've just found this:
http://www.androidonhtc.com/wiki/Port_Status
But I understand what you mean. I also forgot that this phone has no memory card slot (?) I've going to need this...
First off,I'm sorry about your Leo...May it rest in peace...
The Diamond is a really good phone and by far the most beautiful one that I have got my hands onto,but it's a 2 year old device.It was the top back in 2008,but now it's really...moderate!But why would you want to sell your Desire?Keep it until the Evo comes to your country(which is by the way...?) and then sell it!
tolis626 said:
First off,I'm sorry about your Leo...May it rest in peace...
The Diamond is a really good phone and by far the most beautiful one that I have got my hands onto,but it's a 2 year old device.It was the top back in 2008,but now it's really...moderate!But why would you want to sell your Desire?Keep it until the Evo comes to your country(which is by the way...?) and then sell it!
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I've also miss my Leo!
I know the Diamond, my girlfriend has it Yeah, it is old but this does not matter for me if I can install Android on it. The reason why I sell my Desire is cause I got very good price for it. I'm from Norway.
I've also saw that few hours ago HD2 booted with Linux, maybe I should get a new HD2 and use it with Android. That would be awsome! But this will take a long time tou...
Tunay said:
I've also miss my Leo!
I know the Diamond, my girlfriend has it Yeah, it is old but this does not matter for me if I can install Android on it. The reason why I sell my Desire is cause I got very good price for it. I'm from Norway.
I've also saw that few hours ago HD2 booted with Linux, maybe I should get a new HD2 and use it with Android. That would be awsome! But this will take a long time tou...
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I wouldn't recommend a second-hand HD2. Go for a new handset.
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I wouldn't recommend a second-hand HD2. Go for a new handset.
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For sure, I'm going to buy new. My point was that Android can't be far away from running on HD2
If you want Android I wouldn't recommend the HD2.Yes,it's one of the best out there and now there is an Android port,but such a port has been available for the Diamond and its compatibles for a very long time now and it's not usable for everyday use.No disrespect to the work that's being done,I really appreciate it and use it on my Diamond,but I have it as a backup phone so it doesn't really matter to me if it works flawlessly as I use my Hero everyday.Android on HD2 is in very early stages,not even open for anyone to try and I think it will be a long time before we see it working efficiently.
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If you want Android I wouldn't recommend the HD2.Yes,it's one of the best out there and now there is an Android port,but such a port has been available for the Diamond and its compatibles for a very long time now and it's not usable for everyday use.No disrespect to the work that's being done,I really appreciate it and use it on my Diamond,but I have it as a backup phone so it doesn't really matter to me if it works flawlessly as I use my Hero everyday.Android on HD2 is in very early stages,not even open for anyone to try and I think it will be a long time before we see it working efficiently.
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Yes, I understand your point. And by my post above yours I meant about 5-6 months with short time
Maybe it takes longer may not, the thing is, I don't know when Evo wil be available in my country...
Yes, I understand your point. And by my post above yours I meant about 5-6 months with short time
Maybe it takes longer may not, the thing is, I don't know when Evo wil be available in my country...
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My friend I think that neither you nor I will get an Evo in our countries...It seems that smartphone companies are on a US-frenzy sort of thing and release all the good stuff there these days...What we get?One device in our market for every 10 devices in the American market...
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My friend I think that neither you nor I will get an Evo in our countries...It seems that smartphone companies are on a US-frenzy sort of thing and release all the good stuff there these days...What we get?One device in our market for every 10 devices in the American market...
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oh
Going for HD2 then... :/ Diamond has 4GB internal memory, I need more then that
Hi folks,
I know this question has been asked before, and the topic discussed, by I couldn't find any current threads/posts about it. My question is: now that Android on the X1 is fairly stable, will there soon be an Android ROM that replaces WinMo altogether?
I would very much enjoy that, and I think other people would as well. There are Android ROMs for a few WinMo devices, so it can be done, although I'm not familiar with the specifics myself.
A big thanks to everybody involved in developing Android for the X1. The only reason I'm keeping my copy is to one day use it as an extra Android device
Cheers
android on Х1 is fun, no more ... I do not think that you need a full ROM, enough Haret
All Android builds released by now use the HaRET launcher and are getting more stable, faster and better looking. There are some devs working on NAND flashing to completely replace WM. This can be done with TinBoot and magldr (not released yet). Just wait for the devs, they are working on it.
I think I'mma keep my x1 for 2 more years if I can have a niceworking android ROM on it! I'm going to learn how to help for it when I have time because I love it, plus I think i'll start to cook a WM rom because I want a simple and fast one =)
+1
i'm waiting for a real android rom for my X1.
i'm feedup with Winmo
i do not think you could enjoy android from nand.... ok, its running, but not stable! there is much work to do! but there are not much devs working on x1 right now. now 2 years left since the X1 was released. the devs have a working set of files to run android, but without the option to reset/change to a new version the releases are not stable now.
you have to wait... dont know if this would ever happen....
Not anytime soon. Or maybe even never.
There are Android ROMs for a few WinMo devices, so it can be done
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Can you be more specific? I can't find device that have public release with NAND Android.
EDIT: Ah i see, Tinboot can boot from NAND on TyTN II. But as i see, these builds are far from perfect. Even WiFi won't work there.
As for X1, AFAIK there were some attempts, but even screen was not working there.
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Can you be more specific? I can't find device that have public release with NAND Android.
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I was thinking of the HTC Vogue specifically. Check out this Wired article:
DIYers Hack Windows Mobile Phones to Run Android
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All Android builds released by now use the HaRET launcher and are getting more stable, faster and better looking. There are some devs working on NAND flashing to completely replace WM. This can be done with TinBoot and magldr (not released yet). Just wait for the devs, they are working on it.
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Sounds great, hope you're right I don't care if Android doesn't run flawlessly and if things are missing. I'm never going to use my X1 as a WinMo device again anyway, I just want to run Android on it - even if it works so-so.
Does anyone know about the progress of an Android ROM for the X1? Are the wonderful devs still working on it..?
Cheers
we making nand boot rom
its rom without wm and autoboot android from sd
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That's great news, thanks for replying!
this is also the only reason i still come to x1 forum a lot.
but i doubt it will ever happen
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booting Android
Hi all,
maybe is this nog usefull or not the right place, but if you want to boot android on your X1, you can make a shortcut in the windows startup folder to haret.exe
when you start your X1, Android will start immediately. maybe this is helpfull for someone who doens't now before.
grtz.
(sry for my english)
Judging by the very few developers for X1 left, I don't think that is going to happen.
Thanks for the tip, polcomp
I do believe that there will be an Android ROM, actually. It seems like they're still making a lot of progress.
Hello,
I´m new to Dream and flashing etc... (I had Blackstone with android and Nexus S without flashing any custom ROM).
My new Dream will be with me in a few days (weeks? ). Well, I have quite high expectations and I know, stock ROM is not going to meet them. I need:
- battery life - not necesarily best, but I need at least 1 day with wi-fi on
- I need fast ROM - I expect to use some navigation software and I would like to play games like angry birds or Where is my water.
- I need wi-fi tethering, very crucial
- I would like to have live wallpapers
- I want stable ROM with market (Google play) and with no big issues
Well, which ROM is best? Everything except for functions above is not important for me so what is the best ROM for me? I really am not a fan of many hours of flashing, trying and bricking my phone. Every advice is good to me.
Also, I´m completely lost about many things - kernels, radios, memory cards and partitions and all the hacks and such things.
I read a lot - I belive, most popular ROM is FBL? So, what would I need to do with absolutely new Dream to have it? Assuming I didn´t make any preparations at all? How to prepare my phone (ROOT, radios, hacks), how to prepare my microSD card?
But my first question is much more important - I belive I will find way to flash new ROM, it will just take some time (but if there is some allmighty manual, please post it here, thanks). All I really need is good ROM to meet my expectations and any advice you can give me. I´m also ready for some discouragement so if my expectations are too high, I can face it.
Thank you!
for starting out and rooting:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Dream:_Rooting
after you finished the first process:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831139&highlight=2708+
then choose your rom --- not too let you down to gently but the 5 must haves you mentioned arent going to be fully found on a g1 - well im happy with it as many others are but these are old phones and what your asking for i dont know if youll get it
Thank you for posting manuals, I will study them.
ok, real must is tethering and everyday usability (stability and speed) and market. I can live with Solitaire for my travels, live wallpapers are nice but I enjoyed them on Nexus S but navigation software would be nice - at least fluent navigation with Google maps?
To get THAT look for a barebones version of android: They are only with basic apps and leave more RAM space on your phone. My first opinion would be to just buy another phone: The g1 is the first android phone ever made and is not that fast with his 450 mhz processor. And just admit: It looks ugly: Not hating g1, i have one too
I know you have high expectations, however you wont meet your requirements with a dream. slow processor and limited RAM makes running many apps impossible. I have a barebones gingerbread rom right now, no gapps, and still tends to suffer (mytouch 3g, same as the dream, just with more internal storage and no slide out keyboard)
Ok, I thank all of you. Then I would choose fastest and most stable ROM availiable with possibility of wi-fi or USB tethering. It is froyo feature so I need at least froyo. Did anyone try some navigation software like Sygic or MapFactor Navigator Free (requires Gingerbread) with Dream? If it isnt usable even with fastest ROMs, I wont have to choose ROM with navigation software in mind.
i recomend trying out lots of roms, many good one
start off with froyobylazslo (dorianx has a nice ics theme for this too!) and use brutmaps.apk and navigation will be ok and you will have wifi and tethering no problem
then try some other roms
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
Yeah, the G1 was a good phone (3 years ago), we all switched to other ROMS but we develop things because we like to do things. All these people want to push the phone to its limits, and we did. Maybe over the limit. Remember this is the founding father of all android phones. Bye!
finished
After few days with Android 1,6 I decided to upgrade to ezgb. One time I was scared (after flashing hardspl android wouldn´t boot and I didn´t have tools to transfer new rom to SD card so I had to buy microSD-SD card adapter and copy files using notebook SD card reader). After that, it was easy and now I have ezgb... Well, I expected it would be slower, so I´m satisfied.