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Should I Get a Droid?

Hi guys(and girls), in 2011, should I get an original Droid? If I bought one it would be my first android phone, i've flashed a custom rom on a windows phone before but i don't know how to root yet, but would it be good for me to get a Droid now? With the newer phones that are out?

Honestly just get a newer and better phone for free. There are many free phones out there that are better hardware and software wise like the inspire 4g(which I have)

I'll pass on a contract.

Juanito216 said:
Hi guys(and girls), in 2011, should I get an original Droid? If I bought one it would be my first android phone, i've flashed a custom rom on a windows phone before but i don't know how to root yet, but would it be good for me to get a Droid now? With the newer phones that are out?
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yes! I have one aswell and I can show you or message you on how to
and how to flash roms just like i did

no.
i think a nexus is way better supportet.
google is developing right on the nexus phones. i would by one of these. and not a doird again.

Thanks for the replies, I might wait to get something more advanced. Good things come to those who wait.

GodT2 said:
no.
i think a nexus is way better supportet.
google is developing right on the nexus phones. i would by one of these. and not a doird again.
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That thing is freaking expensive
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If I was buying my first Android right now (I bought the Milestone in September of '10) I might look at the Nexus one. I think Amazon has it for around $280, new. The screen size is the same but I think it's a little faster and is obviously better supported.

Consider buying a device with more RAM than droid.
Also you should answer a question, whether you are confortable with touchscreen virtual keyboard or not - I'm not, so I took Milestone

I would consider a keyboardless device ie EVO/HD2/Thunderbolt(big screens), my sister had a Cliq XT at one time and i tried texting on that, my thumbs were kind of big for the buttons?

Well guys, I got a Droid X today.

I've had my Droid for 2 years now and it's been a great device. The development community has been great and there are still a lot of good ROM a currently being developed and supported for it.
While it might not have the most memory, most apps can be pushed to SD. The processor overclocks to 1g (and usually even higher), so it can still match the quadrant scores of many newer phones.
If the price is right, and you want to experiment with rooting and flashing ROMs, not many other phones have as much community support and it's next to impossible to brick a Droid.

I have my Droid (Milestone, actually) for more than a year now and can't say anything bad about the device itself. When it comes down to Motorola, we're talking about a different sport
Motorola's update policy had me waiting for FroYo for months and when it came out, it was a beta-versions, months old that gave a lot of people WLAN-problems. Also the use of the bootloader is a real pain.
If you're willing to install a custom ROM, you're fine, there are good ones out there (I'm using FroyoMOD), but due to the company's update (and bootloader) policy, my next device won't be a Motorola.

What are the expectations of an official ICS update for the Bionic?

What should we expect to see? Will there be a motoblur intergration or will it be straight up ICS?

My preference would be a non molested ICS but I'm sure we'll end up with another locked steaming turd.
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Keep in mind that Google now owns Motorola Mobility... if we're lucky, that will mean a more pure version of AOSP on our devices.

I'm really hoping for an AOSP build of ICS for the bionic, I love the way AOSP looks for Android 4.0

Starting to have my doubts that we get ICS from moto.... Have a feeling our developers are gonna make it work 100% for our Bionic before moto hands it to us. If moto even does hand it to us.. For the Razr Maxx to be coming out pretty soon and not even have ICS kindof makes you wonder wth moto is even doing in motoworld.

The Xoom- a Google Experience device with reference firmware- JUST today got Android 4.0. The Nexus 2 still doesn't have it officially. These things take time. It'll be April or May before we start seeing phones that are actually being released with ICS.

MillionManMosh said:
It'll be April or May before we start seeing phones that are actually being released with ICS.
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Or about a month ago when the Galaxy Nexus was released...
It will take a little time for us to see it, I think. Hopefully not too long. I'm pretty sure they have officially stated that they will be releasing it for the Bionic, so I would hope they don't go back on a public announcement like that.
But, it looks like we've got devs that might get a working option for us before we get something official.

The Bionic will definitely get ICS. The phone just came out in September. Moto is pretty good with updates (usually). The Google purchase has NOT gone through yet. Will not go through til Feb supposedly.
My predictions:
-We will get it in March
-It will look pretty similar to blur as it looks now
-We will not notice much difference
-On paper second core of processor is suppose to be more optimized.

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we are lucky that the galaxy nexus as well as the newer moto phones (Razr, Razr MAXX) all use similar hardware so getting the drivers and radios up shouldnt be to difficult.
that being said its moto's skin that'll take time so we'll see. It would only be fair that they would upgrade the Bionic "fist" but who knows what will happen. I just pray ever day for an unlocked bootloader.

I wish they would throw their skin on in a similar fashion as using go launcher with beautiful Widgets so the process would be much faster. It just seems like they're making it more difficult on themselves.
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easting said:
My preference would be a non molested ICS but I'm sure we'll end up with another locked steaming turd.
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Then get a different, unlocked phone. No one wants to hear whining and not everyone cares about flashing a million roms or kernels every week.
Back on topic, I fully expect the update will include most of Moto's current modifications with maybe a few less changes from stock ICS. I'm hoping they will include the same kernel as the Razr's so we can easily overclock to 1.2 GHz like they did with the 2.2 update on the original Droid.

I ditched the Bionic for a Rezound but the Bionic definitely felt like a quick phone. I just got an ICS rom for my Rezound, it was smoking fast on GB and is much smoother with ICS. The Bionic should be very fast with ICS. Maybe they can help the camera out with ICS aswell.

I ditched as well. Sorry, the point of android is openness and MOTO bit the big one after they lied.

davwman said:
I ditched as well. Sorry, the point of android is openness and MOTO bit the big one after they lied.
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While that is the point of android, the cell providers lost the memo. It will never be as open as it should be with their greedy little paws on it (illegal tethering, come on, we've been tethering since before they even offered their crap hotspot service) .
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nrage23 said:
I ditched the Bionic for a Rezound but the Bionic definitely felt like a quick phone. I just got an ICS rom for my Rezound, it was smoking fast on GB and is much smoother with ICS. The Bionic should be very fast with ICS. Maybe they can help the camera out with ICS aswell.
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I actually no longer have camera problems with the liberty rom. I know the issue that you refer to as I once had it. Click the button to take a picture then wait several seconds before it actually took the picture. So inconvenient that problem was.
I'm not exactly sure what any of these newer phones can do that the bionic can't do because app developers still have to develop for the older phones because developing for the newer phones limits your user base. If your going to develop an app, you're going to develop it for as many devices as possible. By the time we start getting apps that maximize the capabilities of our phones, there will be something much better out.
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smokedkill said:
I actually no longer have camera problems with the liberty rom. I know the issue that you refer to as I once had it. Click the button to take a picture then wait several seconds before it actually took the picture. So inconvenient that problem was.
I'm not exactly sure what any of these newer phones can do that the bionic can't do because app developers still have to develop for the older phones because developing for the newer phones limits your user base. If your going to develop an app, you're going to develop it for as many devices as possible. By the time we start getting apps that maximize the capabilities of our phones, there will be something much better out.
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The camera app problem on the bionic is totally Motorola's fault. They built the phone you would think they could write code for the hardware they chose. Again I think ICS will do wonders for the bionic. It felt like they rushed it out so they could finish the razr. Given that razr and the bionic are so similar, ICS should come much sooner for you guys.
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nrage23 said:
The camera app problem on the bionic is totally Motorola's fault. They built the phone you would think they could write code for the hardware they chose. Again I think ICS will do wonders for the bionic. It felt like they rushed it out so they could finish the razr. Given that razr and the bionic are so similar, ICS should come much sooner for you guys.
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I agree that Motorola screwed this phone up. I no longer have the camera issue with the liberty rom.
Even with all the screw ups Motorola made, I was still able to get my bionic running top notch, even without the .901 radio.
The biggest problem this phone had was after it got delayed by so much, and the hype it had, it shouldn't have had some of its initial problems. Its not like we didn't all know about this phone for 8 months before being released. Don't hype up a phone so much then fail to deliver. Even with their screw ups, I feel I have mine running as good as you can expect an android to run. I've had the thunderbolt and revolution and the bionic is far better than they were.
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smokedkill said:
I agree that Motorola screwed this phone up. I no longer have the camera issue with the liberty rom.
Even with all the screw ups Motorola made, I was still able to get my bionic running top notch, even without the .901 radio.
The biggest problem this phone had was after it got delayed by so much, and the hype it had, it shouldn't have had some of its initial problems. Its not like we didn't all know about this phone for 8 months before being released. Don't hype up a phone so much then fail to deliver. Even with their screw ups, I feel I have mine running as good as you can expect an android to run. I've had the thunderbolt and revolution and the bionic is far better than they were.
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I hear you. The Tbolt was a dog. I am very glad I got rid of the bionic but it was much better than the Tbolt.
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There's nothing out there that I feel that is worth getting rid of the bionic for. The nexus has plenty compatibility issues with running some apps (majority of Samsung phones do though) and the razr is too skinney for my taste plus I feel the marginal increase in it's specs aren't worth it. I also don't like the 3 button setup on the nexus. I'm too used to having 4 and using the 4 for so long to change my way.
We have quad core coming between now and summer that will blow everything away that's out now. Dont see any sense in replacing my phone for something that is only marginally better. Every Android has its problems and the ones I have with the bionic are manageable for me.
The only thing I could see me trading my bionic is if there is a significant increase in the app development world where more processing power is necessary. But with the fragmentation of android, an app developer would be dumb to do that because as an app developer, you want your app to be compatible with as many devices as possible. I can see some games coming out that may need more processing power though. Its only a matter of time before we start seeing PlayStation 2 emulators popping up.
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VZW Announces ICS Devices

....and Droid 3 is missing. Could still be coming down the pipeline, but it looks like we are out of luck for the first wave (not that surprising).
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/03/bl2012-03-06.html
I know I have forwarded this theory before - but at first glance, the list does only have devices (among all manufacturers) that are well over 512MB of RAM - I think Dinc2 is the lowest at 768MB. I may be wrong - don't have all specs memorized.

Rlin5741 said:
I know I have forwarded this theory before - but at first glance, the list does only have devices (among all manufacturers) that are well over 512MB of RAM - I think Dinc2 is the lowest at 768MB. I may be wrong - don't have all specs memorized.
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It's because the people at motorola that make these decisions don't even know what RAM is and haven't even heard of kernel or XDA-forums.
They think... Hm..1024 is more than 512.. lets not give 512 mb phones ICS.
If they'd at least unlock the damn bootloaders so people like hashcode can do it for them ffs

Part of me wants to never buy another motorola device, but this keyboard is just too nice. Motorola does a good job on the hardware but between the bloatware and the locked bootloader the software part can be disappointing. So we have an os released less than 6 months after our device was released and motorola basically says screw you. Verizon is just the messenger here.
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Some of those phones are almost the same hardware as the droid 3 so I'm hoping that those vzw roms can at least be reverse engineered to figure out what's still missing in the cm9 alpha, like the camera.
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I want the hardware acceleration front facing camera and face unlock.... then I will jump ship from stock on my xt860.
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Reporting the full Motorola update schedule site: https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
interesting that bionic and d4 are still listed as evaluating. But even in best case, that droid 3 is only left out of the ics fun for the first rollout (vzw does say more updates are coming, and droid 2 did get updates almost 2 years after release), it looks like it will be a while - even some brand new devices that were in the vzw press release are scheduled for q3...

spunker88 said:
Part of me wants to never buy another motorola device
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Our only hope is the Google takeover of Moto will change their bootloader policy. This then, I can't bring myself to buy another Moto phone.

By the time it comes to the Droid 3, it will be upgrade time...

Droid 3 is one of the best phones with android and qwerty and motorola dont plan to update to ICS?? Motorola in software decisions sucks!!! They never listened to the users

DRELUXOID said:
Some of those phones are almost the same hardware as the droid 3 so I'm hoping that those vzw roms can at least be reverse engineered to figure out what's still missing in the cm9 alpha, like the camera.
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The big constraint is going to be the locked bootloader.

It don't mean that droid 3 will never has ICS... just it not going to be on this first group... I'm sure in a couple of months we will see it on the list.

rblanca said:
It don't mean that droid 3 will never has ICS... just it not going to be on this first group... I'm sure in a couple of months we will see it on the list.
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Well if they wait much longer:
A) people have upgraded to a newer phone
B) all people who actually care about having ICS rather than gingerbread already use hashcode's ICS

DoubleYouPee said:
Well if they wait much longer:
A) people have upgraded to a newer phone
B) all people who actually care about having ICS rather than gingerbread already use hashcode's ICS
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I think that in Q1 of 2013 we might have an oficial ICS support, i don't believe sonner than that...
First it's motorola who decide, if our droid 3 can have ICS, then VZW if it will have.
Motorola should still be evaluating if ICS will going to run fine on our Droid 3 and if it's they will update his "ICS Update Schedule" and VZW his own.
Cya

rblanca said:
I think that in Q1 of 2013 we will have an oficial ICS support, i don't believe sonner than that...
First it's motorola who decide, if our droid 3 can have ICS, then VZW if it will have.
Motorola should still be evaluating if ICS will going to run fine on our Droid 3 and if it's they will update his "ICS Update Schedule" and VZW his own.
Cya
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Well I don't think it'll take hashcode 'nd crew 1 year to fix hw codecs/video recording and some bug fixes

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Well I don't think it'll take hashcode 'nd crew 1 year to fix hw codecs/video recording and some bug fixes
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Neither myself, I just talking about an Oficial ICS support by Motorola...so cheers to Hashcode!

has motorola confirmed no ics for bionic?? attached email

This is a copy and paste of the email i received with identifying information removed. other then that it is un altered except for the part i underlined
We have not heard from you concerning your request for support in the 48 hours since we sent you a response. Consequently, we have changed the status of your question to SOLVED.
*Discussion Thread
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03/11/2012 05:38 PM
Dear "",
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. I’ve reviewed your e-mail and I’m ready to help.
We do apologize for the inconvenience. Regarding your concerns, Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid Bionic and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader.
In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices for developers via Motodev at http://developer.motorola.com.
For the Android 4.0, at this time, we do not have any information if the phone will be updated to Android 4.0.
With your data connectivity concerns, please provide us with the following information so that we can assist you better.
1. Serial number of your device. On the phone's home screen go to Settings > About phone > Status > IMEI number.
You may also follow the link below on how to locate the serial number of your device.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/utils/guided_assistant/g_id/446
2. Software version of the phone.
On the phone's home screen go to Settings > About phone > System version
3. Your Contact number.
We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.
For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at http://www.motorola.com/
Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.
Best Regards,
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03/09/2012 11:57 AM
Why didn't you unlock the Bionic's Bootloader with the last update. You have promised to make motorola's bootloaders unlockable. I started my cell phone adventure with motorola. I have had other phones also, Nokia, HTC, LG. But I wanted to go back to my roots and go back to motorla. Now I see that was a mistake. I had the original droid for my first android phone. Then I went to the HTC Droid Eris, HTC Droid Incredible, Samsung Fascinate, and now your piece of crap Droid Bionic. I have never had a phone that was so flawed. Not to mention you released the Razr just a couple months after the Bionic. I am now screwed. I have a worthless phone that still drops data even after you put out an update that was supposed to fix that issue for the next 2 years. I am going to be forced to return to HTC for my cellular needs. And in the process of changing over I will have to now spend over $500 Because of your locked bootloader, I now cannot make the modifications needed to make the phone useable for my needs and also I cannot fix your mistakes in the programming to make the phone stable. Now for my last question / segustion. Since the RAZR has been released, I know you will not make putting android 4.0 on the Bionic a priority. When will you be releasing the android 4.0 update for the Bionic?? Also, when you do, if you do finally release android 4.0 for the Bionic I segust that you make the bootloader unlockable. This way I am no longer restricted and forced to use your flawed software. Google's Android OS is a Open Source Project. Who are you to close it and restrict its usage and capabilities. In doing so you have forced the public to use a piece of equipment that is flawed with no way or means of correcting the issues.
To be honest, I cannot believe that Google has not reamed your asses and filed law suits against the companies that lock their bootloaders and do not offer a way to unlock. Even if it voids the manufacture warranty the option should still be there. Android is Open Source and why do you have the right to restrict it?!
To sum this up.
1: I want an explanation on your bootloader and I want it unlocked. (Believe me I am not the only one)
2: When will Android 4.0 be released on the Bionic?
3: Statement: I am about to leave Motorola for good. I have had the worst experience ever with this phone and I am now on my third phone which is on its way just because you cannot fix your Data Drop issue. I require a reliable phone for work and this phone has been all but that.
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I'm not really sure how "we do not have any information" qualifies as confirming anything.
This is the link for their ICS upgrade schedule:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
If you read the descriptions for each stage, they state that the early stage does not guarantee an update. The comment in the response email was a carefully prepared legal statement to avoid hinting at anything.
I would be surprised if we don't see an ICS update, though it's always possible that it wont happen.

For the Android 4.0, we do not have any information if the phone will be upgraded at this time.
In that statement they used if instead of when. That says to me that they promised ics and advertised the phone as ics upgradeable and now don't know if they are going to do it or not. The key word in this is if. If and when are 2 totally different words. The original question was when and they comeback with ( no info if phone will be upgraded.) It raises questions.
Side note: they advertise a phone as ics upgradeable, but once you buy it you find out that its not even available to download. One must wait and hope and prey that their device is not forgotten about because in just 3 months time a newer phone has been released. I'm not new to smartphones or rooting or roms. I know I have to wait before I even buy the phone but the general public that just uses phones and has no idea what rooting is has no idea that they are going to have to wait for the upgrade and have to worry that they will even get the upgrade. Bad advertising and miss leading I say. (Rant Over)
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Im pretty sure they will release ICS for Bionic. I mean all the newer Motorola Devices (I.E RAZR, Droid 4, Xyboard) run essentially the same hardware in different form, the Omap 4430. Assuming those phones get 4.0 then so should Bionic :s

Ask them this: What percent of revenue does each new Android product represent?
Then imagine what it would be like to reduce their earnings by the lose of one of those products such as the Bionic.
It all about the money!

Motorola's customer service has often said things contrary to the truth. Since the site still says an update is on the way, I tend to believe the site.

All there website says is evaulation and planning.. That does not mean much. It could stay evaluation and planning for the next year. How long does it honestly take to evaluate and plan? No developing stage yet? Wow... Look at the developers that are building ROMs across the spectrum for various phones and brands and yet Motorola can't even get a grip just on there own phones... stepping off my soapbox.

Quoting directly from the link provided to the Motorola site: "As previously communicated, DROID RAZR, DROID RAZR MAXX, DROID 4, DROID BIONIC, DROID XYBOARD 8.2 and 10.1, and MOTOROLA XOOM WiFI + 3G/4G will be upgraded to ICS. Additional details on timing for these products will be shared at a later date."

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Since I purchased this phone SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it was advertised as it would be getting a version of ics 4.0, they will have to refund my money so I can get a phone that does run ics. It was critical to my purchase decision.
Do I hear a class action coming if they don't?
Personally I think they will release an ics upgrade as they have said and continue to say. Probably 2nd quarter this year. Development of mass stability is VERY difficult.
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Well I don't know if you guys/gals saw, but there was a leaked screenshot from a Best buy computer that shows the Razr and the Maxx receiving its ICS on the 4th of April. This was also confirmed by several emails that went out from Verizon stating there was going to be a software upgrade soon. Its typical they update the new phone first, but maybe its a sign we will get our update soon.
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Ya I saw it. Still not the bionic. If we get it I say it will be Oct or Nov before the bionic gets it and that's if it gets it.
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I think we'll get it, but definitely not anytime soon.
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Glad I've been running ICS for a couple months
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Glad I've been running ICS for a couple months
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How's that running? I've heard there's a lot of bug in CM9 on the Bionic. That's why I went to Eclipse instead.

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It's not fully-functioning ICS, and you have no video camera, no hw accel, half the games probably don't work right, etc.
I bet the devs we have would be able to port the RAZRs ICS to Bionic faster than Moto could develop it....

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It's not fully-functioning ICS, and you have no video camera, no hw accel, half the games probably don't work right, etc.
I bet the devs we have would be able to port the RAZRs ICS to Bionic faster than Moto could develop it....
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For me, I don't play games on my phone and since I work in film/TV, I don't shoot video with my phone either. What I do have is everything else, rock solid data and stable wifi. I haven't gone to my unsafe side since mid-Feb. My point was, you can have a very usable version now and, with the release of the official and full RAZR version, we will have a complete version for our Bionics, whether moto releases one or not.
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The Bionic is definitely getting the ICS update, just don't know when. I spoke to my cousin when I switched to Verizon to get some info on some phones since he's a developer for Motorola. He was able to get me a Bionic and told me that it will definitely get ICS. He just doesn't have a date for it since right now he's testing ICS on the Razr Maxx.

The list of Verizon and Moto ICS updates has been reviewed and revised a couple times, Bionic making the cut each time. I see it definitely getting the update. As far as Razr and Bionic go theres not a significant difference in source, which helps the Bionic out a lot when it comes to ICS
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Dead

It seems to me that this phone has reached death. All the forums seemed to have died (here,droidhive,rootzwiki,android-den(which hasn't really taken off) and where ever else) and quite frankly I'm disappointed. There really hasn't been any steps forward in ICS since I don't even know when (hw codecs/bluetooth/whatever else). Unfortunately I'm still 9 months away from upgrading.
I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining because I really do appreciate all of the dev work thus far(Hashcode, sparkyman, and others are the shiz), but its like we've hit a brick wall. ICS isn't complete and won't be and gingerbread doesn't seem good enough. I am grateful of everyones work. I just wish more Could be done.
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This was my first android phone and obviously a mistake. Not that I should have gotten an iprison(I am anti I everything). I hope progress can be made. At this point though I'm sure Motorola Was and Is a mistake and I should have known better previously owning a Q9C.
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This should be in general
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This should be in general
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why? It's about the development - the phone itself isnt dead.
But I agree. I was hoping to use this phone for 2 years (using 0.5 year now). I thought that eventually, we'd get ICS like we deserve. Guess not . I'm not sure how fast/supported this phone will be using gingerbread in 1.5 year

and except Droid 4 and RAZR MAXX..what other options we've got?!
galaxy no way (too big and overrated), and HTCs are all the same: big and no qwerty. nothing to get out of the crowd...like RAZR MAXX.
i used to be a fan of HTC, since S710 days..but now i'm bored by their lack of originality. no qwerty and no good processors for the small ones (<4" display).

not really dead everyone just faced the fact that ics will not happen for the d3 and blame the lack of ram for it..although we have proven that the d3 does and can handle ics and it does improve it no dev will continue to develop it due to the locked bootloader and the work involved to write all new kernals and bypasses fir it..there are 2 great gb roms in development..team haters (my fav) and mavrom{my 2nd fav}..both development crews hang out on droidforums stop by say hi and give their roms a whirl

Because its not development, its venting about our forgotten phone. And while I feel the same as you, its still not development
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I noticed the same thing but dont really mind.
Im on a ATT contract for another year and 4 months or so.
Ive always wanted a droid and got the droid 3 because it works on att. It has to be the best sliding keyboard phone out their, and beats using any virtual keyboard IMO.
Even if development isnt strong, we have got it better then a lot of other phones. We have stable gingerbread roms and we can overclock it.
The Droid 3 is still a good phone and i know il be getting a good year of use out of it. .. hopefully then keyboard phones come back to life...
But i never used to post really on these forums but seeing they are kind of dead, i decided to become as active as i can to help around.

Is the droid three dead? Yes, in a way. The phone's bootloader is locked. This is the ONLY thing that is stopping any major developments on the Droid 3. If Moto, or google at this point, decided to unlock the phone... We would have Ice Cream sandwich 100% working (provided that they released the source code as well), and we would be eagerly looking forward to Jelly Bean. I often go on the Google+ Google account and harass them, I know I won't win but I am always hoping for a miracle.
As it stands now, there is a large chance that I will leave Verizon when my contract is up. Their handling of this phone as well as their pocketbooks has left a bad taste in my mouth. After 6/28/2012 (my birthday of all things), any phone being upgraded via contract will LOOSE their UNLIMITED data. You will have to purchase phones off contract to be able to keep your unlimited plan (It's only like $400 for a good android phone). Not only that, you will be charged a $30 fee just to upgrade.
So in conclusion:
Our phone is on life support. We are getting by with such developers as TeamHaters, Maverick, and Hashcode (who's still realasing AOKP updates for our phones), who are doing an excellent job keeping our phones working the best they can with what they have. Until there is a cure for our Bootloader issue... Our phone is stuck in intensive care, and Patch Adams is their to annoy the hell out of it.

Does anyone think googles new PDK will help our device? its supposed to allow low level api for easier porting of android to hardware. Think this could bring around any fixes? Ofcourse the bootloader will be locked but it mite make the making of kernels not take 6-8 months as hash said and help him out.
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jesusishere said:
This is the ONLY thing that is stopping any major developments on the Droid 3. If Moto, or google at this point, decided to unlock the phone... We would have Ice Cream sandwich 100% working (provided that they released the source code as well), and we would be eagerly looking forward to Jelly Bean.
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*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.

Pokelover980 said:
*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.
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It's the combination between the bootloader and the source code
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jesusishere said:
It's the combination between the bootloader and the source code
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It's more of a "TI doesn't support hardware codecs for devices >1GB data". TI doesn't release source code for those binaries and isn't obliged to, so that's not really an argument that should be made. It's simply that our phone was cursed from release.
EDIT: And as of now I can no longer say "our phone" as I jumped ship to the Razr... goodbye, Droid 3 community, you will be missed...

When Ics gets released this year for droid it is getting better
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Nope, it's not, because ICS isn't going to be released to D3. This is it, for better or worse.
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AragornPE said:
Nope, it's not, because ICS isn't going to be released to D3. This is it, for better or worse.
Rocking with my M3 and XDA app
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who cares. I had ICS on a device before and its not that different besides a different interface .. after using ICS i prefer gingerbread's layout..

Juicy555 said:
who cares. I had ICS on a device before and its not that different besides a different interface .. after using ICS i prefer gingerbread's layout..
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ICS is majorly different from previous releases under the hood. It uses a different kernel; things have been made more efficient; the APIs have been updated to allow for more possibilities for app developers; certain parts of how the system overall operates have undergone drastic resigns; etc.. All of this came at the price of needing better hardware to incorporate new features, but I say it was well worth it and is a very large difference even without the interface changes.

Pokelover980 said:
*sigh* I hate to be the one that has to come in and burst everyone's bubble every time someone makes this argument, but the problem is not the locked bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, we'd be in the same exact position. Hashcode has stated this several times. We'd still be without hardware codecs, we'd still be having Bluetooth issues, we'd still have all the same issues because they're all a matter of hardware limitations or lack of documentation on certain parts of the proprietary hardware.
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but anyway hashcode would be able to trial and error approach without deeming the device unusable (loading kernels, and modules and stuff)
it would certainly help to have an unlocked bootloader.
but without source of course it would be time consuming and without knowing when it would have success

bogdan_wrc said:
galaxy no way (too big and overrated), and HTCs are all the same: big ...
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This thing is a brick in my pocket compared to galaxy line and most htc phones, check out the quad core HTC One X w/beats audio or the galaxy note etc for "originality" but seems like all manufacturers are using a very similar forum factor. I agree the qwerty is nice to have but it doubles the size of the phone as well(unless maybe desire z) so you kind of have to choose.

Willis111 said:
This thing is a brick in my pocket compared to galaxy line and most htc phones, check out the quad core HTC One X w/beats audio or the galaxy note etc for "originality" but seems like all manufacturers are using a very similar forum factor. I agree the qwerty is nice to have but it doubles the size of the phone as well(unless maybe desire z) so you kind of have to choose.
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I came from one of those phones and dont mind the difference. In fact the keyboard is one of the best features ive had on any of my smartphones. And a 4" is perfect for me, coming from a 4.5" screen.