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Ok, here's the deal.
Fiancee got me a NC for my birthday because she read that it can be rooted and made into a formidable tablet. I agree with her and am stoked.
I don't have any dev experience, but I'm very familiar with rooting and flashing ROMs to our EVO 4Gs.
However, after reading through the developmental forum, I'm confused as to what steps I need to follow to turn my NC into a CM7 tablet.
Do I run autonooter? (The B&N store updated my NC to the 1.1.0 software yesterday in-store) Which one? Do I run it first?
After that, how do I flash CM7? Is there a more stable system\ROM\build?
With dealing with SD cards, I know this will be a bit against the grain for me because Rooting\Flashing the EVO is so easy and simple.
Any and all help will be appreciated.
(Side note question: Has anyone used a Steinheil Screen Protector on their nook? I see that SGP makes one for the Galaxy Tab, which has similar dimensions as the NC. Anyone?)
This seems like easiest to follow:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9816724&postcount=64
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This seems like easiest to follow:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9816724&postcount=64
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Awesome.
So that "roots" the nook, like SimpleRoot does to my EVO?
And then I go through the process in the CM7 Phiremod post in the Dev forum?
Also - should I go buy a second MicroSD card to use, leaving the current one in the nook as a clean backup?
It's useful to have multiple microSD. I have a couple 2GB microSD for nootering and flashing new rom. I use a 16GB for main use as backup and data storage.
If you're new to Android, I recommend just nootering your stock 1.1 NC because it's most stable. Froyo, Honeycomb, and Gingerbread built are still in development and are being tested.
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I'm not new to Android, as I've been using various CyanogenMod and MIUI builds on my EVO since I bought it last year.
What I am new to is the use of SD cards for flashing. That's where I'm a bit shaky on the steps.
Before you can get a good answer we need more infromation.
1) do you care about the B&N stuff that your Nook came with?
2) what is your goal?
a) e-reader that can do tablet functions
b) Tablet that can do e-reader functions
Do you want to run the alt OS from the SDcard or from the flash memory?
So far there are 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0 ROMS for the Nook. Where do you want to be?
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Before you can get a good answer we need more infromation.
1) do you care about the B&N stuff that your Nook came with? - Not really. As long as I have a way to read books that I get off demonoid.
2) what is your goal?
a) e-reader that can do tablet functions
b) Tablet that can do e-reader functions Preferably this.
Do you want to run the alt OS from the SDcard or from the flash memory?
So far there are 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and 3.0 ROMS for the Nook. Where do you want to be?Are there advantages\disadvantages? Which is the most stable solution to rooting\flashing? I have CM7 on my EVO now, though I'll probably be switching over to the latest MIUI later tonight. I wouldn't mind something similar to CM7 on my NC.
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Does the above help at all?
Bump for some help. Thanks guys.
I've only been a NC owner for a week. From my experience, you need to play a bit. Usual disclaimers apply:
1. spend time playing with the default B&N config. Enjoy. Ok, for me that got boring after about 1 hour.
2. Autonooter 3.0 (since you are on 1.1.0). Then just play with your rooted NC. Enjoy. I was amazed at what this little guy could do after only a root. Test a bunch of apps. Read a bunch on this website. Test more apps that you read about. Try different backup software. Get comfortable with Eclair. Run Quadrant. Enjoy.
3. Dahlingren's OC kernel. Make sure you get the Eclair kernel. I installed the 1100 MHz one, and monitored for overheating and random reboots/force closes etc. This one worked well for me, and amazed me again at how much faster it was (run Quadrant again). Get comfortable with the procedure to flash a rom with CWR. Enjoy.
4. CM7 with OC kernel. Play, test, enjoy. If the current bugs are deal breakers, revert back to Eclair, or try Froyo or some other flavour. Enjoy.
It seems to be darn near impossible to brick this guy, so I haven't worried too much. Worst case scenario is I have a $250 paper weight, but the best case has been worth the risk to me.
Enjoy.
just currious what folks who have run both think? which one performs better?
At this moment Cm7 off course. If we get an official fully working Honeycomb then off course Honeycomb.
CM7, easily.
The HC ROM is cool, but isn't from source. CM7 is your best bet for everyday use.
CM7 is working great as long as you don't use the built in video/music player(codec problems, rock player is a fix).
Full market access isn't working either and some apps too(pandora).
Flash websites work great and the rom itself is very smooth.
HCv4
For everything other than video (which doesn't work stock in CM7 either) I use the Honeycomb emmc install.
HC is fast and stable for general web browsing.
This is just my .02
Dan
Like everyone says CM7 is much more stable, and because of the nightlies we are likely to see most of the major issues resolved within a week, however once HC goes AOSP its a totally different ball game, for now CM7 is your best bet.
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Like everyone says CM7 is much more stable, and because of the nightlies we are likely to see most of the major issues resolved within a week, however once HC goes AOSP its a totally different ball game, for now CM7 is your best bet.
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CM have had Gingerbread for long enough to know how to tweak it, I'd expect it to take a while for Honeycomb to get up to the same level.
Any word on if there will be a version of CM7 that we can boot off the SDCard? Would be great for those who just want to check it out before flashing.
Another vote for CM7 or some type of froyo. HC ran waaaaaay to slow for me. Even non-technically savvy people were like "man, isn't that really slow..?"
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Any word on if there will be a version of CM7 that we can boot off the SDCard? Would be great for those who just want to check it out before flashing.
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I seriously doubt it. CM, as far as I know, is strictly off the emmc.
There probably won't ever be a CM7 from the nightly builds that you could write to a bootable uSD but it certainly should be possible to create one. It is even mentioned in the FAQ from the [USER] CM7 General Discussion thread.
Q: IS THERE AN SD-ONLY "BOOTABLE" VERSION?
Not from the nighty builds. However-- should someone want to create such a bootable SD-- (warning: Slightly technical answer all it would take to create one is a new uRamdisk file with the partitions in init.encore.rc pointing to the correct partitions on the SD card.
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I'd try creating one myself but I have too many projects going on and trying CM7 isn't really high on my list.
For right now, CM7 is fine. Once someone from this great community ports over the "real" HC, then I will be 3.0!!! Everything else will be obsolete!!!
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just currious what folks who have run both think? which one performs better?
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well my HC setup is about 95% complete(i have just a few market apps not showing up but its no bother) and a side from no HQ youtube and flash(which i can wait the xoom wont have flash support on release as well) it runs smooth off the emmc and its really stable so i recommend honeycomb
I have been running HC4 since it came out and love it. Quad scores of 1700. Same probs as other ROMs with no Flash and no HQ YouTube, but very stable. I haven't tried CM7 and prob wont just because I am at a good place witty my NC on HC. Can't wait for AOSP version! I don't think u can go wrong with either one, tho.
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I have spent the past couple days trying out all the available rom's that are in the dev section. I have tried HCv4, Froyo, CM7 and Stock.
I really liked honeycomb the best but for some reason a few apps I need were force closing on me, namely IMDB and Aldiko(yes I still use my nook primarily as a reading device.) I didn't spend too much time trying to figure out why they were closing, if anyone has an answer to that it would be appreciated as I will reinstall honeycomb in a heartbeat. At this point hopefully it won't be long until we see a new version based on the SDK so might be prudent to wait for that. I didn't run v4 long enough to judge battery usage so can't comment.
Next up CM7, I liked this rom as well but found it had high battery drain which kind of irked me a little, I guess not a huge deal but was annoying. I believe it is something to do with not going fully asleep from what I learned but reading through the threads, I am sure this will be worked out soon and this will be a viable option.
Next was latest version of the customized Froyo. This is another nice rom which I am currently testing out on my NC. All apps I have tried seem to work fine so far. It was a little tricky getting market working on the newest version. I think the problem is the newest version uses EXT4 for system/data but still wants to use EXT3 for cache and this seems to cause some initial issues. I think it could be resolved just by changing the cache mount command at startup to mount as EXT4, maybe this will be sorted in the next release. Other than that so far so good. Also I haven't been running it long enough to gauge battery usage yet. Also does anyone know if you can remove the softkeys app? Uninstall is greyed out for that app for some reason. I remapped my hardware volume keys to menu/back so I don't really need softkeys any more.
Lastly the stock rooted 1.1. I ran this for about a week(I have only had my NC for a little over a week). I liked the stock but found I didn't use the B&N factory apps much if at all so figured I may as well try some of the other versions out and this is what lead me on the adventure above. Battery usage seemed great on the stock 1.1 root. It would easily last me a 2-3 days with normal usage for me which includes a couple hours of reading during my commute to work and a little web surfing and such in the evening and possibly throughout the day at work.
For now I am going to run Froyo for a few days to see how I like it. If an SDK based Honeycomb comes out I will definitely try that and once the bugs are worked out in CM7 I may try it again as well.
Kevin
I'm running CM7, I'd love it if I could get Youtube to work period. It would be nice if I could get apps to stop force closing on me all the time too. Once these issues can be fixed I'll love me some CM7.
Another vote here for CM7 on the SD card. I'm not yet completely comfortable with flashing my ROM on the Nook just yet and I like trying out different builds till I find the one I really want to stick with.
CM7 sounds pretty impressive though, I'll admit.
I can see that CM7 has a clear majority of votes...but HCv4 has work flawlessly for me. I run the 1.1 OC'd kernel, and it is very fast and very stable.
I suspect it depends on what apps you like to run, and while I have installed quite a few from the market, I spend most of my "nook time" using it as a reader. I use the B&N reader. Kindel and Aldiko, and all three work perfectly for me.
Having said that, I also understand that not everyone has had as satisfactory an experience as I have. While it was not all that hard to get up and running, it was also not a simple "press the button" install. I used the first version of the flashable eMMC package that samuelhalff put together a couple of weeks back, and "way back then" there were a number of small tweaks needed to get things like ADHOC wireless & Market running.
DeadlyDa said:
I can see that CM7 has a clear majority of votes...but HCv4 has work flawlessly for me. I run the 1.1 OC'd kernel, and it is very fast and very stable.
I suspect it depends on what apps you like to run, and while I have installed quite a few from the market, I spend most of my "nook time" using it as a reader. I use the B&N reader. Kindel and Aldiko, and all three work perfectly for me.
Having said that, I also understand that not everyone has had as satisfactory an experience as I have. While it was not all that hard to get up and running, it was also not a simple "press the button" install. I used the first version of the flashable eMMC package that samuelhalff put together a couple of weeks back, and "way back then" there were a number of small tweaks needed to get things like ADHOC wireless & Market running.
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Hmmm I tried out HCv4 last evening and had trouble with Aldiko force closing on me pretty much as soon as it started up. I got the Aldiko 2.0 logo and then it would FC. I tried both the Free and Paid versions. Did you have to do anything special to get it to work?? I also had the same trouble with the IMDB app. I would go back to HC in a heartbeat if I could get Aldiko working properly. I also use my NC primarily as a reader so Aldiko is very important.
Thanks.
Kevin
I love this! I listened to all the "experts" on he board and ran CM7 on the SD since getting my Nook. I couldn't run it EMMC because I have to have NC Stock to read my books(my young daughter loves the interactive ones). I hated CM7! Not the OS itself just the fact that A: it saw sluggish and frustrating to use and B: my battery went down faster than Paris Hilton at Bike Week. The first I can see was simply a result of running an OS from the SD card, can't be avoided. The other, well, I guess full blown android just takes more battery. So for months I have barely used it as anything but a reader at all.
Then last week I decided to try ManualNooter just to see what all the fuss was about. WOW what a difference! THIS Is what I should have been using all along. I can run any app, use any launcher, use the OC/UN Kernal, and still get great battery life and do all of this from the on board memory without being tied to an SD card and I still get to use all my books. Perfect!
So for any of you who find tourself hating your grindy, sluggish SD card CM7, give this a try! You don't even have to wipe your data, it's painless and easy! Thanks whoever developed this thing!
Note this is not a bash on CM which in itself is a great OS i just think it's crap running from an SD or at least it was for me! But i loved it when it wasn't driving me to drinking and making me punch things.
I think if you had tried one of the recent nightly's you would have liked CM7 better - battery life to me seems about the same as stock. The quality of your SD card makes a huge difference on running CM7 from it. Basically if your SD card is Sandisk then it will run fairly well, if other brand then will be laggy. Most manufacturers work on fast large write speed, but Sandisk has fast small write speed which is what you need to run an OS from it.
Having said all that, manual Nooter is nice, I just prefer CM7, but I don't need the interactive books.
You fail to mention what brand your sd card and what version of cm7 you were using. Sandisk + latest nightly should fix your problems.
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You fail to mention what brand your sd card and what version of cm7 you were using. Sandisk + latest nightly should fix your problems.
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I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.
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I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.
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Better performance, tablet optimized full android experience, gingerbread compared to froyo, i believe stock also does not have Bluetooth support, new updates nightly, list goes on for awhile but I personally have no love for stock so my opinion might be a little one-sided.
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Landara said:
I was using my original SD from my Evo if that helps. Didn't look at the brand. It shipped with my Evo, which was bought in Jan of this year if that helps.
edit: Just had a look it's a Samsung 8gb that came with the Evo. And I was using the latest stable.
In the end, I fail to see how CM7 is better than what I have now. Maybe that's just my ignorance but Im not seeing the advantage. So far I haven't found anything that CM7 will do that Nook Stock rooted isn't. Can you mention a few things? I'd be interested to know, but as it stands everything works even Netflix, so for now at least I'm good. Haven't noticed anything not working.
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I run CM7 off an SD card (sandisk class 4) and it's smooth as silk - note that the latest nightlies are light years ahead of "stable". It's just able to get more out of the nook than rooted stock is and battery life is every bit as good if not better. What can it do that stock can't? Technically probably nothing, it just does it better.
Now, having said all that, I still love rooted stock. If you want a reader on steroids, then rooted stock is fantastic - and there are still some things about the stock reader app I like better than any of the other reader apps. If you want what amounts to full function 7" tablet, then CM7 is probably better for you. It kind of depends on your tastes. I have one of each in the house and can't say anything bad about either one.
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I run CM7 off an SD card (sandisk class 4) and it's smooth as silk - note that the latest nightlies are light years ahead of "stable". It's just able to get more out of the nook than rooted stock is and battery life is every bit as good if not better. What can it do that stock can't? Technically probably nothing, it just does it better.
Now, having said all that, I still love rooted stock. If you want a reader on steroids, then rooted stock is fantastic - and there are still some things about the stock reader app I like better than any of the other reader apps. If you want what amounts to full function 7" tablet, then CM7 is probably better for you. It kind of depends on your tastes. I have one of each in the house and can't say anything bad about either one.
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Maybe I will try CM7 now again. After all I can still use the CM7 SD card concept since my rooted ROM is actually on EMMC. I never tried one of the nightlies. Maybe I should.
Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.
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Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.
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FYI there is an app called Nook Color Tools created here by the XDA cooks which allows you to do several good things one of which is sideload apps provided you move them to a certain folder. It also allows you to change keyboards.
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Landara,
I'm with you on this. I had been running CM7 and MIUI off the emmc than decided I wanted to try the stock 1.3 software. I found that really liked the clean lines and simplicity of the stock UI but missed the ability to install market apps so I kept 1.3 on the emmc and set up a CM7 sd card. Used a Patriot Class 6 card and it ran ok when I first booted up but as I added apps it slowed down to a snails pace. I decided to install ManualNooter (which does work with 1.3 for those that have wondered). This ran great! Smooth as silk with market access but I still couldn't side-load apps so I flashed MiniRooter right on top, which now enables installation of non-market apps. Overclocked to 1.2 and man....does this thing fly. In my opinion, this is the best setup for me.
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Manual Nooter comes with Nook Color Tools, so you can choose non market from there and side load away.
From what I've read, the only thing you can't do when you use MN on 1.3 is move apps to SD. It can cause corruption of app, but I'm sure that will be fixed soon.
I was rooted with MN 1.2 (LOVED IT), and occasionally ran cm7 nightlies off SD(Sandisk 8gb class4). Just got zapped with the 1.3 update, so I'm waiting a few days to see what happens to MN, before rerooting.
I agree with OP Manual Nooter is way better for me, battery, + Netflix, Nook Reader, and no hang.
Hey,
So I know there are a bunch of ROMs around for the Nook Color, but I was curious if anyone had a recommendation for a stable one for my wife's Nook Color? I was looking at Phiremod (both CM7 and MIUI Versions), MIUI, and CM7. So far the problem I am running into with all of them is the screen resolution/density as well as the sleep of death. What is a good stable ROM I can run on there? I don't need bells and whistles.... just something stable that can run android apps (including the Nook and Kindle Apps). Thanks.
-Eric
I'm on nightly 212 (CM7.1 stable will work just as well) and it has.been.by far the most stable ROM I've ever used for any device. I'm running it from the SD Card, and I would surely recommend it.
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I agree.. but be sure to notice in several other posts.. the brand and type of microSD card DOES matter.. Use a Sandisk class 2 or 4.
Before I got a Sandisk, it wasn't very stable. Afterwards.. like a rock.
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Hey,
a recommendation for a stable one for my wife's Nook Color? I was looking at Phiremod (both CM7 and MIUI Versions), MIUI, and CM7.
-Eric
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I have had my Wife's NookColor on MiUi for more than a month. Not one single hang or freeze.
Recovery CWM 3.2.0.1
ROM MIUI v 1.9.23 from MIUI.US
Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111
Nook Color Tweaks Dalingrins NookColor Tweaks Audio Setup very useful.
Swype Beta Installer
From the Market:-
zMooth Lite to replace the included "Button Savor" App. Which I leave minimized, because it is difficult to hack out.
Titanium Backup
Rom Manager
Opera Mobile Browser
Replacement Apps from Market for Notes, Pictures, Music, Performance, Synchronizing of Stuff, document Editors, Kindel, Google Books etc.
Interface Launcher has Widgets, Folders and customize-able task-bar.
I had a little trouble during the first setup stage while familiarizing with "Button Savior". In particular the x key means hide the virtual keys, which get in the way of the keyboard. These Buttons serve as virtual "Android Buttons" The virtual buttons slide in from the right edge of the screen. They include all the usual Android Buttons. on, Back Button, Search Button, etc. Actually re-started re-flashed once I got the hang of it. and had no problems. Getting past the stage of entering data into the first few fields was the only frustration. After one installs zMooth you can ignore Button Savior and let it remain minimized, or kill it with a automated task killer.
The Rom has Working Bluetooth with an add-on to Astro File Manager, and also most of the other file managers.
I must have 25 apps of which I use 10 quite often. So far no problems with resolution etc.
Updated Market, and Cloned the whole thing with nandroid backup so that my wife's and my Nooks are identical. Only problem with this is that the Market thinks the two devices are one. It all works, but anything I download from Web Based Market via Web, goes to both devices.
If you know how to redo the Market initialization steps, to trigger a new signature creation step for each device I would be grateful.
I like running CM7 from the EMMC -- I find it's the fastest and most stable. I tried MIUI but I had issues with it and missed my app drawer. I use to run CM7 from the sd card and find running it straight from memory is more reliable.
She's going to love having a tablet! So much more than ereader... love my Nook!
EMMC CM7 had been the best in my experience as will.
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markusrow said:
I have had my Wife's NookColor on MiUi for more than a month. Not one single hang or freeze.
Recovery CWM 3.2.0.1
ROM MIUI v 1.9.23 from MIUI.US
Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111
Nook Color Tweaks Dalingrins NookColor Tweaks Audio Setup very useful.
Swype Beta Installer
From the Market:-
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Thanks for the info.
Just a question, what exactly does Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111, does on the device?
As i installed yesterday the CM7, after being on Manual Nooter, and i was wondering what are the benefits of Dalingrin, and if i have any implications if i install this through recovery...
Fekish said:
Thanks for the info.
Just a question, what exactly does Kernel Dalingrin-OC-emmc-090111, does on the device?
As i installed yesterday the CM7, after being on Manual Nooter, and i was wondering what are the benefits of Dalingrin, and if i have any implications if i install this through recovery...
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You are most welcome.
All ROMs include / require a Kernel (foundation layer - a Linux kernel). This is the software that is specifically tied to the particular hardware and bridges between the hardware and the body of the ROM. Current CM7.1 and MIUI both include / use Dalingrin's Kernel, which is in turn derived from B&N's kernel. MIUI is a branch of CM7.1 with work in creating a consistent and pleasing interface and removing aspects not required for this platform. The Dalingrin Kernel link is included so that you can follow what Dalingrin offers / updates in the future and flash it independently of the ROM if you wish to do so. Also Dalingrin and CyanogenMod developers deserve credit and thanks for the work in developing CM7 which MIUI have leveraged for their ROM.
The implication is that you can change / update Kernels for the NOOKColor (independently with care), (i.e. flash kernel over the delivered ROM Kernel,) and Dalingrin's Tweaks App works with the Rom and you can donate to Dalingrin by purchasing his App. Enable Under Volting save battery, and Over Clocking improve performance. Also as stated before, very very useful for setting the Audio gains in the best possible combination.
FYI, Dalingrin's kernel is included in the nightlies (has been for a while), so if you installed CM7 it's already there. It opens up a lot of features as well as the ability to Overclock for extra performance. It seems like most everyone has OC'd up to the max allowed by default which is 1.2ghz I think. It definitely makes the Nook a lot snappier with little trade-off.
Another vote for CM7.1 stable on eMMC. Solid as a rock.
davidr415 said:
I agree.. but be sure to notice in several other posts.. the brand and type of microSD card DOES matter.. Use a Sandisk class 2 or 4.
Before I got a Sandisk, it wasn't very stable. Afterwards.. like a rock.
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Did I miss something? I was always under the impression that you should not use anything less than a Class 6 SD card, especially if your running the ROM from the SD instead of EMMC.
Class 2/4 are too slow...
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Did I miss something? I was always under the impression that you should not use anything less than a Class 6 SD card, especially if your running the ROM from the SD instead of EMMC.
Class 2/4 are too slow...
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When using the SD to run the OS off of, the random access speed is what makes the difference. There were tests down before, but iirc the Sandisk cards showed the best random-access speed despite having a slower class (which measures sequential writes).
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When using the SD to run the OS off of, the random access speed is what makes the difference. There were tests down before, but iirc the Sandisk cards showed the best random-access speed despite having a slower class (which measures sequential writes).
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Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.
You have received a lot of good advice here and I'm just going to throw my two cents' worth in.
I am a 53 year old woman who has tried every rom out there. I have settled on the Miui rom. #1 because it just looks nicer to my eyes than CM7. Fonts and icons are larger and 'prettier.' #2 because this rom has the most zip on my nook.
Right now I'm running 1.9.23. A week ago I restored my Nook to stock, installed Miui and installed my apps from the market - not from a backup and I have had zero freezes or SODs. I run over 150 apps, use launcher pro, with Facebook, gmail, calendar and pulse news reader updating frequently.
I also went into the spare parts app and set my wifi to sleep never.
Everyone has their favorite, but Miui wins my vote hands down.
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nismopc said:
Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.
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I think this is the test I was thinking of... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102704
If I'm reading it correctly, the class doesn't seem to make a huge difference. I would think higher classes would be faster for at least some operations though.
nismopc said:
Not to get off topic, but does that apply to higher class Sandisk as well? Basically, a Class 6 Sandisk will outperform a Class 2/4 Sandisk in the Nook? I can't recall seeing the tests, this is why I ask.
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Check my sig for the links to see what the deal is.
Basically, class 2 or 4 SanDisk is what you want, 8 gig minimum, with better performance gains the higher the capacity of card. 16 gig performs better then 8, and 32 better then 16.
The reason is the level of attention manufacturers pay to small block read/write data pathways physically inside the card itself. Running android from the sdcard doesn't matter so much about large-block file transfer, it's all the small writes to and from memory that are important.
That kinda ties in with what I was gonna say to the OP, though, consider this:
I just bought my lady a Nook Color for her birthday, and set it up with the latest stable cm7 (7.1.0) and had it set to the internal memory. I figured, what the heck...she's not gonna do anything else with it.
Wrong move. Putting the finishing touches on it the night before I her birthday, I saw a problem with the screen, I pressed the app drawer icon and a wave of liquid flowed halfway across the screen. As the night wore on over the next hour or so, it got worse and started to become unresponsive.
Obvious hardware failure.
I spent the rest of the night setting up one of my good SanDisk memory cards with her installation on it, and wrote everything (pictures, icons, etc...) to the memory card and nothing to internal memory.
Now she has all her apps, custom icons I made for her, boot screens, albums of pictures from the time we spent together and so forth all on the MicroSd card.
When B&N opened the morning of her birthday, I took it back and exchanged it for a new one. Popped the memory card in, and it was good to go.
Now if her Nook Color ever fails her again (which is very infrequent, was just a bad one out of the factory) all she has to do is pop out her memory card and put it in another one, and it's like nothing ever happened.
Using verygreens installer, and the latest release of CM7, it's a seamless, fantastic setup. Honestly, i'll never install to internal memory again. I never did on my Nook Color, and given what happened there I can't see a reason to ever do so again.
From a dev standpoint, leaving the Nook Color stock on emmc has many advantages, and from a user standpoint the same can be said but for different reasons.
To each their own, but I spent a lot of time figuring out how to make it run well from the MicroSD card, and why some things didn't work as well.
The bonus is you don't void your warranty, and the stock Nook Color software will format any MicroSD card you put in it once it's booted, regardless of what the partition table on the card itself is like.
Just my .02 cents, best of luck with the Nook Color for your wife.
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If you do make an sd-card install and restore the emmc to stock, then keep this in mind:
I used to recommend the app "sd speed increase" made by a member here at xda, because it helped considerably with running from the sd-card.
Not anymore. The newest version of cm7 stable incorporates that fix into the build, and trying to run the app over it actually presents a decrease in performance.
CM7.1.0 is pretty optimized for sd-installs, in addition to running fantastically on internal memory (from what I hear anyways, i'll never know!)
Thanks for the info all. I just installed CM7 Stable on hers... seems to be running nicely.
k8108 said:
You have received a lot of good advice here and I'm just going to throw my two cents' worth in.
Right now I'm running 1.9.23. A week ago I restored my Nook to stock, installed Miui and installed my apps from the market - not from a backup and I have had zero freezes or SODs. I run over 150 apps, use launcher pro, with Facebook, gmail, calendar and pulse news reader updating frequently.
I also went into the spare parts app and set my wifi to sleep never.
Everyone has their favorite, but Miui wins my vote hands down.
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Currently MIUI gets my vote.
MIUI 1.9.23 with a clean install and app load was a huge improvement.
Cyanogen is constantly moving forward. I will try it from time to time, using Nandroid backup and restore to flip back - update - then see what I am missing.
It is a pitty that the two cannot coexist in a complementary way. No winners no loosers. I don't think that MIUI makes its features and customizations available so cannot be incorporated (on a selective merit basis) back into Cyanogen. They are not open like Cyanogen. So in the end Cyaongen may well win base on its support from community.
efaden said:
Thanks for the info all. I just installed CM7 Stable on hers... seems to be running nicely.
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Awesome. By the way, despite the name, the nightlies are often very stable these days. I forget when the fixes were put in, but there have been a bunch of improvements including better battery life while sleeping since one of the main "stable" milestone builds. If you find some issues, it may be worth trying a nightly.
Also, you should backup your rom using Rom Manager and/or apps using nandroid or titanium backup. That has saved my butt a few times.
Good luck!
A few posts down is one titled [GUIDE] CM7.1... I followed that one from a factory restored firmware 1.0.0 and am more than pleased. I would give that a shot if I were you. Seems very stable and you shouldn't have to worry about upgrading for a while.
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I just bought a Nook HD+ today because of the great sale B&N is having. Once I heard that it had a microSD expansion slot AND the latest B&N operating system included the Google Play store and Google apps, I was in.
Of course, the big drawback is B&N's tweaked user interface. I used it for a few minutes and thought: "Ugh. I guess I should go look up how to flash CyanogenMod 10.1 on this puppy."
But then I thought, wait a sec... with the Google Play store, I can download my favorite launcher (Go Launcher EX) and make this thing behave like my other tablets without flashing anything!!!
So, compared to using the B&N OS and a custom launcher, what would be the advantages of loading CM10.1 on it?
You could always follow the procedure to backup your stock install and give CM a test run to see how you would like it. If it turns out you don't, flash back your stock installation.
Or install an sd version of cm10.1 which would only work if the sd card was inserted. Then if you didn't like cm10.1 then you could take the sd out and the default nook os would be fine.
Personally I think cm10.1 is miles better. It is nicer looking and is so much less restrictive.
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30%-40% better Web browsing performance based on HTML5 benchmark. Overall better performance and less lag.
stumark said:
Or install an sd version of cm10.1 which would only work if the sd card was inserted. Then if you didn't like cm10.1 then you could take the sd out and the default nook os would be fine.
Personally I think cm10.1 is miles better. It is nicer looking and is so much less restrictive.
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The only issue with this being you can't get a good idea of the performance, where as if you actually installed it on the Nook you can. Granted for the faint of heart the SD install would be your best bet.
Performance is still good on sd. I haven't noticed that much improvement on emmc but I don't do much browsing. I can't see many people screaming about the benefits of keeping the stock ROM.
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It's kinda funny. I only lasted 3 days on the stock ROM, even with GO Launcher EX. I just couldn't resist the CM10.1 allure.
I have to say that this was the easiest switch over from a stock ROM to an aftermarket ROM that I've ever done, and that includes a bunch of devices: Samsung Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Dell Streak 7, HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Droid Eris, and Motorola RAZR MAXX.
I wish they were all that easy to switch over. The RAZR MAXX was a b!tch.
Big kudos to verygreen, leapinlar and anyone else I've missed for a great experience and great ROM.
I first got it and tried just running NOVA Launcher.. but it's MUCH better running CM10.1... I did the internal way of modding it.. It was very easy.. basically make an SD boot card, put about 4 files to flash (GAPPS, SuperUser, CWM or TWRP, and CM10.1) - boom, done.. I got one for myself, my brother got one, and my girlfriend. Once the SD card was made (use a SanDisk, I had trouble with Patriot) it only took about 5 minutes to do.
EDIT: Oh yeah, it seems very stable, my girlfriend had a random reboot 2 nights in a row, and started freaking out. I told her it was fine.
Dual boot sd card
Definitely go with the hybrid sd card from bokbokan. It gives you Cyanoboot, so you can easily go back and forth between stock and CM10.1. Does not mess with your stock install, so if you don't like CM10.1 all you would really have to do is take out your sd card or reformat it.
To tell you the truth though, I booted CM10.1 for the first time about 10 days ago, and I haven't been in the stock ROM for about 9 days now. If you want a B&N Tablet, stick with stock. If you want an Android Tablet, go with CM10.1. Nova Launcher puts the icing on the cake.