So, any idea how to root our device?
i hope my device will delivered next week, a root solution would be nice
@ch3: have u tried TPSparky on the x4? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439429
fire3d said:
i hope my device will delivered next week, a root solution would be nice
@ch3: have u tried TPSparky on the x4? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439429
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failed on '/data/local/tmp' - Permission denied
link failed File exists
Rebooting - Continue once device finishes rebooting
Press any key to continue . . .
/system/bin/sh: cannot create /data/local.prop: Permission denied
Rebooting - Continue once device finishes rebooting
Press any key to continue . . .
Hopefully there will be root in the next time, I want to buy it, but not untill root is available.
ill give it a go, i got the asus prime as well, maybe its possible to adapt the root function of this device and kernel release.
I hope to see good things from you.
Would really appreciate the root on P880 ...
It's like something is missin'
Hi, the files would fota v10b do any good? I was able to extract the files from my P880
Sorry for my english
ds7005
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda premium
for now it seems the hack that used the mempodroid solution is closed. i tried using the n95-offset utility as well.
next, the debugfs on /data/local/tmp is no solution, since they fixed the tmp folder rights, and it cannot be renamed.
so for now, no good solution, ill keep bughunting when possible, now its time to enjoy the weather outside
you guys could try the megatron root from dan rosenburg for the optimus 3d 20x versions
or get in contact with him at his site he loves rooting lg phones thats what i did i just emailed him and we had root in a couple weeks.
nah... it's not working also.
xstokerx said:
you guys could try the megatron root from dan rosenburg for the optimus 3d 20x versions
or get in contact with him at his site he loves rooting lg phones thats what i did i just emailed him and we had root in a couple weeks.
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I got in touch with Dan and he definitely seems interested.
Unfortunately I'm waiting for delivery of my Optimus 4X, but if someone wants to get in touch with him who has theirs, he may be able to look into it.
PM me if you have trouble finding Dan's email.
there ya go hell just need to remote view with someone with there phone hooked up to the comp to get the info he needs hope to see root for this device in the near future.
waiting for root
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It's a shame there is not root for this phone, no root can not change anything ...
alexp999 said:
I got in touch with Dan and he definitely seems interested.
Unfortunately I'm waiting for delivery of my Optimus 4X, but if someone wants to get in touch with him who has theirs, he may be able to look into it.
PM me if you have trouble finding Dan's email.
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Could you send me his email address.
I ve no problem with remote control.
MoYo @ LG P880 Optimus 4X HD
Need Root For My 4X
Hello Their,
I am a Proud Owner of LG OPTIMUS 4X HD and i an in need of root as early as possible.Really a great UI From LG But needs tweaks to camera and UI as well.
hope my one will apear tomorrow, it's on the way ....
it's here !!!! what an amazing phone have it now 2 hours and can't belive
this smoothness and speed ....
time to play !!!!!
anyone tried this?
http://www.crackmyass.com/2012/06/lg-4x-hd-root-tutorial.html
uniz said:
anyone tried this?
http://www.crackmyass.com/2012/06/lg-4x-hd-root-tutorial.html
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Fake!
ds7005
Sent from my LG-P990 using xda premium
Related
05/31/2010
Here is the real story, the pics were fake, not from Jake day but some fraudulent member.
James friend also never had root and was lying to him.
So there we are and I am so so sick of all the BS and the flaming and lying!
05/25/2010
I just got a passed down possible super boot thanks to Paul over at Modaco.
I am away from my PC for the next 2 days, experienced Devs PM me and let's see if this works.
05/26/10
No go we still need bootloader...see thread.
The majority of the current Root Conversation is taking place with Devs over at XDA, with experienced Devs like binny and others.....DEVS ONLY! see here:
[PR] Rooting For devs only - xda-developers
What is Root? Why would I want to Root my Incredible? What does it mean? I am a NOOB help me understand all of this...
See here:
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-eris/45242-rooting-q.html
I want to help root and learn more! Want to elearn more and Developing for an Android/Linux Device...
See Links At bottom of Post #4 here:
http://androidforums.com/all-things...-thread-addons-roms-updated-04-21-2010-a.html
Reserved for future use.........
Reserved for future use.................
well, i am no dev, but i would like to say thank you in advance, haha. can't wait to get this phone and then root it. i am glad to hear that there is good interest in this phone. i pre ordered mine as well and can not wait! been without a smartphone for a couple months. sold my tp2 in prep for something better coming out. it was a long wait but i am sure it will be worth it.
i wish you and all who work on this project the best, and most speedy, of luck. thanks again
Re: Root Status/Exploits/Dev Roll Call Thread! Coming Soon.......Updated 04/23/2010
Can't wait didn't preorder but will prob pick one up on the 29th... i'll be willing to help as much as I can...
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Will definetly check this thread out when the Incredible drops. I will go and test it out on the 29th, and most likely buy it, got an update on one of my lines.
would like to see nexus one 3d photo gallery in your rom which would be nice. I also can't wait for free wifi tethering.
Hoping you folks smarter than me are able to find root quick
I have created a custom recovery.img from Ama_ra's source, so if fastboot is unlocked then we can just flash the recovery.img via fastboot and flash a custom ROM.
I used the xmoo shipped ROM for the images.
but if its not unlocked then we can try fastboot oem unlock and see if it unlocks the bootloader, but this will 100% void your warranty.
I have also created an update.zip but the shipped ROM might be newer than the leaked images from (xmoo)
Should be rooted allready...... so there may not be a need for this thread.
binny1007 said:
Should be rooted allready...... so there may not be a need for this thread.
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Say what now?
IncredibleDoes said:
I have created a custom recovery.img from Ama_ra's source, so if fastboot is unlocked then we can just flash the recovery.img via fastboot and flash a custom ROM.
I used the xmoo shipped ROM for the images.
but if its not unlocked then we can try fastboot oem unlock and see if it unlocks the bootloader, but this will 100% void your warranty.
I have also created an update.zip but the shipped ROM might be newer than the leaked images from (xmoo)
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I've already tried fastboot oem unlock on the Incredible and it doesn't work. Hardware similarities aside, rooting the device won't be as easy as the Nexus One.
-dave
drensin said:
I've already tried fastboot oem unlock on the Incredible and it doesn't work. Hardware similarities aside, rooting the device won't be as easy as the Nexus One.
-dave
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Thats true...me and a friend dev of mine tried that and old goldcard method already and it didnt work either...
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Should be rooted allready...... so there may not be a need for this thread.
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@ binny1007
Good to see u man and hope ur gonna get an incredible so I can see you around again (even if your always so sour )
But the Incredible hasnt been rooted yet, otherwise this wouldnt be here lol...
Hope you help out working on it...but we tried fastboot oem and goldcard and couple other random things yesterday and no luck so far....
Cheers! and good to see u around!
The root for the desire and legend has not been released yet, sooooo as soon as Paul releases it, the same way should work for the inc. Just hold on tight, it should not be too much longer.
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Should be rooted allready...... so there may not be a need for this thread.
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where is the tutorial for the root process? HTC does not release devices already rooted
binny and acidbath, at it again!
My hope is that this thread does not get infested with the snipes and snots that haunted some of your other efforts.
I also hope you guys can root the Incredible before I'm eligible to get one!
binny1007 said:
The root for the desire and legend has not been released yet, sooooo as soon as Paul releases it, the same way should work for the inc. Just hold on tight, it should not be too much longer.
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Yeah Paul over at modaco....I am waiting for what he has got...
And yes in all probability it should work or at least quickly to us rooting the Incredible...
But even if Paul does get it.....I will still be hosting a Kitchen I have working on here as well as ROMs down the road....
Hope to see your stuff to Binny1007
Cheers!
I'm not a developer by any means, but I'm always willing to test pretty much anything. I've been keeping a close eye on this phone for a few months now and pre-ordered on the 19th, just checked the order status page on VZW and it says "Your order has been processed. You should receive your order within 2 - 3 business days." Man, I cannot wait to get my hands on this bad boy!
IncredibleDoes said:
but if its not unlocked then we can try fastboot oem unlock and see if it unlocks the bootloader, but this will 100% void your warranty.
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Which is why I'm getting the best buy maintenance program. They have no deductible and you can change your phone out as often as you like. . Walk in get another one and leave. I do believe that they will start using refurbs when they become available if they have them at the store you visit.
Hey all,
We've been working pretty hard to bring you unrEVOked 3.2 with out-of-the-box, one-click support for all Android versions on the Incredible.
Available for Linux, Mac, and Windows:
http://www.unrevoked.com/recovery/
Please start by visiting the help page and reading it through:
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/unrevoked3
1. Windows users MUST install the HBOOT drivers for this to work:
http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php?id=public:windows_hboot_driver_install
2. Windows users need to uninstall HTC Sync or any other program that might talk to the phone over USB (doubletwist, etc). Disabling HTC Sync from the system tray is not enough. They interfere with the root process and will cause problems.
3. When asked for USB connection type, select "Charge Only" and "Remember this".
Special thanks to Sebastian Krahmer for the rageagainstthecage exploit.
mmastrac said:
Hey all,
We've been working pretty hard to bring you unrEVOked 3.2 with out-of-the-box, one-click support for all Android versions on the Incredible.
It's working flawlessly on our testing devices, but we are releasing it for a quick round of testing before distributing it more widely. If you are interested in helping us test, please join me in #unrevokedtest on freenode.net.
I'll replace the content here with the links to the updated tool once we've finished testing.
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i would test for you.....i wouldnt mind messing up my phone for development purposes
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Nice work as usual. I have a bunch of people who upgraded and now want root. Look forward to the finished release.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Can't wait to root my HTC Desire from US Cell... I hope the testing goes quickly!
it worked for me.
specs were
stock 2.2 with ota. no mods previously done.
now I have root with S-off
I would like to test since I took the OTA and lost root, but I am unfamiliar with freenode and can't figure out what I need to do.
Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Google
I am a google.com kinda person. Just type in your search and let it find the answers.
http://freenode.net/faq.shtml Top google search.
Sorry Kulaa for being an ass myself. Thanks for the new post.
go to webchat.freenode.net and fill out the form.
for channel type in #unrevokedtest
Well your loss then! Besides it was just sarcasm, don't take it so harshly.
Can't wait for this to get released so I can help my cousin root his phone.
Worked perfect for me!!!
Good job unrevoked guys
Awesome
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Yessssss Thank You!
How do we get the new 3.2 if we already have 3.0 loaded. I cant find a guide.
yomonk1 said:
How do we get the new 3.2 if we already have 3.0 loaded. I cant find a guide.
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There's nothing "loaded" with these, they just make modifications to your phone. If you're already rooted/S-OFF there's no reason to run them again.
this is great news. i'm excited for when this is released. but, this will just root it right? it wont turn s-off?
keep up the good work
Updated post - it's live now.
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this will just root it right? it wont turn s-off?
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S-OFF is optional.
Hey
So when is the tool supposed to be back up?
3L3C7R0 said:
So when is the tool supposed to be back up?
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I imagine it will be back up as soon as they work out the small bug(s) they found. I can't wait for it either, I'm ready for some for 2.2 lovin.
i am having so much trouble trying to update my Lg Thrill to 2.3.5
i am on 2.2
i tried the phone update...no update available..
i tried the lg tools update...it gets stuck at 6% and doesnt move for hours...
and now i found a v20p_00 file...and idk what the hell to do with it...
any help me?
this post gets 143 views and not 1 post? really?????
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this post gets 143 views and not 1 post? really?????
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22417769
Go to #3 follow that step by step exactly ... make sure its exact ... if you do it right your phone should be running... if you have trouble pm the dark lestat and hell be able to assist you ... but download the v20p.kdz file go to that URL and follow it from step 3
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I once had that error..
you need to make sure all drivers are installed.
when i got that error, a new hardware prompt came up and asked me to install drivers, a couple different usb/cdma and an omap prompt if i do recall.
you should be able to find the drivers in the guide to install the kdz
or check the lg site
hope this helps!
whatch the video from xda when u sign up... u just got answered with something is already answered... you just gotta look U.U
To be honest i'm not super skilled with all the updating and stuff, but when I updated my phone I did a live chat with one of LG's reps, stepped me right through it. It was surprisingly helpful considering how disappointing their support of the phone has been so far. But the devs on here have been awesome too, I've found all my answers just searching through the forums like the guys before me said
Sent from my LG-P925 using XDA
Does anyone know if this root guide for Optimus 4x hd, posted by several people at youtube, is fake or not?
Link to the root guide:
crackmyass.com/2012/06/lg-4x-hd-root-tutorial.html
Thanks in advance
link not working... 404..
just insert www infront of link
can some-one download that script, and attach here? i can't download from http://fileurl.me
I call BS on this, the file download site only lets you dowload if you complete a competition (where the entries cost £5 each), or you buy a premium credit.
Also notice how the three comments sound very similar and are posted within 5 mins of the article. Google isnt that fast at indexing.
I think it is someone out to make a quick buck on people looking for root on this device.
alexp999 said:
I call BS on this, the file download site only lets you dowload if you complete a competition (where the entries cost £5 each), or you buy a premium credit.
Also notice how the three comments sound very similar and are posted within 5 mins of the article. Google isnt that fast at indexing.
I think it is someone out to make a quick buck on people looking for root on this device.
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Okay thanks alot, I also think it looks like a scam but I was optimistic
gonzo0o said:
Okay thanks alot, I also think it looks like a scam but I was optimistic
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I've got in touch with Dan Rosenburg who has rooted other LG phones and he is interested in helping but needs to talk to someone who has the handset, unfortunately I'm still waiting on the delivery of mine at the moment.
PM me if you want his email.
gonzo0o said:
Does anyone know if this root guide for Optimus 4x hd, posted by several people at youtube, is fake or not?
Link to the root guide:
crackmyass.com/2012/06/lg-4x-hd-root-tutorial.html
Thanks in advance
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It's definitely a scam,there was a tutorial on the tube a week ago which also pointed to this location and wanted you to participate in a so called "survey" before letting you download anything.
BEWARE!!
Well it got me creating a new e-mail address for spam mails, completing one of the surveys, only to end up looking like a jackass. Completing the survey didn't bring forth any download link.
Before starting the survey I studied the source code of the site, including some .JS files, and couldn't find any sign of code to generate the download link, so I guess I was warned.
As far as i know, there is not a root exploid for our LG P880
The only way to get a reliable root function on our device is to develop it here.
I tried several existing methods to do it but with no luck.
I think we need to extract the full rom implement the root function and upload it back to the device or...
Try to develop a update.xxx with or without CWM and use this to root or...
Maybe we can use NVFLASH to reach our goal...
The word is to our LG experts here on the board who already rooted a LG, and give us a direction to go to...
Hopefully we get a breakthrough soon because i realy need to kill some autostarts here...
I'm counting on xda dev right now, hope someone can root this device soon. ^^
What about plain root privilege escalation bugs? I'm thinking of Mempodipper, which is younger than the 2.6.39.4 kernel on the O4X. I would try it myself, but I don't have a toolchain for the android platform, and didn't want to buy the C4Droid App for nothing. ^^
soniczz said:
As far as i know, there is not a root exploid for our LG P880
The only way to get a reliable root function on our device is to develop it here.
I tried several existing methods to do it but with no luck.
I think we need to extract the full rom implement the root function and upload it back to the device or...
Try to develop a update.xxx with or without CWM and use this to root or...
Maybe we can use NVFLASH to reach our goal...
The word is to our LG experts here on the board who already rooted a LG, and give us a direction to go to...
Hopefully we get a breakthrough soon because i realy need to kill some autostarts here...
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What about plain root privilege escalation bugs? I'm thinking of Mempodipper, which is younger than the 2.6.39.4 kernel on the O4X. I would try it myself, but I don't have a toolchain for the android platform, and didn't want to buy the C4Droid App for nothing. ^^
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We can do a donation for the app... So you can make a start..
I tested Mempodipper ... does not work. that bug has been fixed
JessyCute said:
I'm counting on xda dev right now, hope someone can root this device soon. ^^
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evreybody here is waiting the same :good:
Hi All,
I am the person that someone made a thread about saying that I was attempting the impossible and porting Ubuntu Phone OS on an LG Optimus 4xHD. I was waiting for the bootloader unlock however my attempts at unlocking the bootloader failed and in the attempt to do so cause my bootloader to update to 262-000. I eventually got fed up with the try and decided to try it without the unlock.
I have now got Ubuntu Phone OS running but only from the ADB shell (so no UI at the moment) and am soon publishing a video and uploading the zips and instructions of how I did it so that other developers can help me get the UI working.
News will be posted at the following link.
elbuntuprojects.com/articles/
And tonight I will be uploading the documentation of how I managed to get as far as I have.
If any developers want to help keep watching this space and ill update you as soon as the stuff needed is online.
Note: This is only for people who dont need the phone at the moment as its purely the command line so ubuntu_chroot and co so not for everyone....
Updates soon, just thought I would give an update,
elgunvo said:
Hi All,
I am the person that someone made a thread about saying that I was attempting the impossible and porting Ubuntu Phone OS on an LG Optimus 4xHD. I was waiting for the bootloader unlock however my attempts at unlocking the bootloader failed and in the attempt to do so cause my bootloader to update to 262-000. I eventually got fed up with the try and decided to try it without the unlock.
I have now got Ubuntu Phone OS running but only from the ADB shell (so no UI at the moment) and am soon publishing a video and uploading the zips and instructions of how I did it so that other developers can help me get the UI working.
News will be posted at the following link.
elbuntuprojects.com/articles/
And tonight I will be uploading the documentation of how I managed to get as far as I have.
If any developers want to help keep watching this space and ill update you as soon as the stuff needed is online.
Note: This is only for people who dont need the phone at the moment as its purely the command line so ubuntu_chroot and co so not for everyone....
Updates soon, just thought I would give an update,
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tku..it will be very appreciated.
Kidrox said:
tku..it will be very appreciated.
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when am goes install ubuntu on my lg 4x hd....every time says bootubuntu not found.....whats the problem...
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Kidrox said:
tku..it will be very appreciated.
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when am goes install ubuntu on my lg 4x hd....every time says bootubuntu not found.....whats the problem...
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elgunvo said:
Hi All,
I am the person that someone made a thread about saying that I was attempting the impossible and porting Ubuntu Phone OS on an LG Optimus 4xHD. I was waiting for the bootloader unlock however my attempts at unlocking the bootloader failed and in the attempt to do so cause my bootloader to update to 262-000. I eventually got fed up with the try and decided to try it without the unlock.
I have now got Ubuntu Phone OS running but only from the ADB shell (so no UI at the moment) and am soon publishing a video and uploading the zips and instructions of how I did it so that other developers can help me get the UI working.
News will be posted at the following link.
elbuntuprojects.com/articles/
And tonight I will be uploading the documentation of how I managed to get as far as I have.
If any developers want to help keep watching this space and ill update you as soon as the stuff needed is online.
Note: This is only for people who dont need the phone at the moment as its purely the command line so ubuntu_chroot and co so not for everyone....
Updates soon, just thought I would give an update,
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Thanks!
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda premium
Great news! Official release is coming soon, so I think it will be easer to port then! Kepp it up! Cheers!:good::fingers-crossed:
Odp: Ubuntu Phone OS on LG Optimus 4xHD -> Progress
I'm waiting for Ubuntu on my phone because android need much more resources than it should, so I have fingers crossed. I working on Linux, so if I can help u can ask, but I use my phone so flashing it few times a day is not for me
Wysyłane z mojego LG-P880 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
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look wonderful,
if you haven’t been to his site, I heartily endorse it.
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Would be nice.
http://www.technodify.com/ubuntu-touch-for-samsung-htc/
gmajnkek said:
Would be nice.
http://www.technodify.com/ubuntu-touch-for-samsung-htc/
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The new list includes, device from HTC, Asus, Samsung, LG, Motorola and Huawei. Below is the list of devices which will be getting this update.
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LG Optimus 4x HD
Nice!!! Makes me wonder, what will be first CM10/11 or Ubuntu...Id be tickled with either though!
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jhayton said:
The new list includes, device from HTC, Asus, Samsung, LG, Motorola and Huawei. Below is the list of devices which will be getting this update.
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LG Optimus 4x HD
Nice!!! Makes me wonder, what will be first CM10/11 or Ubuntu...Id be tickled with either though!
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Old news!
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I have successfully use the normal ubuntu with my optimus 4X on JB ,, but has some problems and lagging .
Ubuntu touch will be amazing .
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wow! can you make some screenshots?:good:
But ubuntu only possible with open bootloader?
Interesting
OS_Hacking said:
I have successfully use the normal ubuntu with my optimus 4X on JB ,, but has some problems and lagging .
Ubuntu touch will be amazing .
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda app-developers app
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Could you please help to explanation the installation step to work.
Sorry for my bad in english.
reisAgainst said:
wow! can you make some screenshots?:good:
But ubuntu only possible with open bootloader?
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PraphanSSGS said:
Could you please help to explanation the installation step to work.
Sorry for my bad in english.
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It's so easy ,, see this (contains guides) :-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
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any progress ?
i don't think ubutnu touch i ever gonna come in our device
Mr.LOVER said:
i don't think ubutnu touch i ever gonna come in our device
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It absolutely will, ive tried a couple of times but had trouble getting it to boot, its not high on my priority list because ubuntu-touch itself it still in its infancy (think how long it took google to get android to a useable state), building it at the moment is just for the novelty
Interesting thing is that about half a year ago, at around 13.04 upgrade, when I ported Ubuntu Touch to my Galaxy R, everything worked like a charm with really minor changes, but on the O4X it's hardly even booting.
Adam77Root said:
Interesting thing is that about half a year ago, at around 13.04 upgrade, when I ported Ubuntu Touch to my Galaxy R, everything worked like a charm with really minor changes, but on the O4X it's hardly even booting.
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In those days it was still in an early stage, so they still haven't make massive mods that have been now applied.
I'm working on it too, and it's more difficult than I thought, even if it's based on CM 10.1.
I succesfully compiled it without hard-to-fix errors, but had a bootloop at kernel/ramdisk-level.
Any thought about what could cause it?
mackief said:
In those days it was still in an early stage, so aven't make massive mods that have been now applied.
I'm working on it too, and it's more difficult than I thought, even if it's based on CM 10.1.
I succesfully compiled it without hard-to-fix errors, but had a bootloop at kernel/ramdisk-level.
Any thought about what could cause it?
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Anything interesting in the kmsg? Im wondering if its the same issue if its mine
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46427089&postcount=65
arararagi appeared to have the same issue.