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I love the effect that google has created with the N7

Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
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Lawyers everywhere are celebrating the arrival of the Nexus 7.
Google represents deep pockets, and every two-bit company with ripped-off patents will be looking to cash in.

Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.

gotta give google some credit... they have the technology and know how to use it

While I was hoping it would have the original features of the memo pad as revealed as ces I'm thrilled by this tablet. I think having its software come directly from Google and carrying the nexus moniker more than makes up for the hardware changes.
This tablet was an excellent move by Google because not only is it great hardware wise, but the 7 inch market is where they can build a foothold on the tablet market.
I'm happy it is priced so competitively but to scoff at other companies giving less for more money bothers me. Google isn't making profit off this tablet. They hope to raise revenue from play store purchases, etc, but other companies that produce these need to make money off what they build. I don't begrudge them for that. In the end it would be nice for other stockish android tablet makers to either commit to keeping devices on the latest OS, or release source for drivers, etc when they discontinue support for them so that unofficial builds could continue.
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Cel1084 said:
Nah, they just like to set the price and standards on each subsequent generation of android devices. Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Let's just hope other oems will follow this standard of pure android and follow the supposed 5 nexus devices this fall. I love my phone but I love pure Google also

Locklear308 said:
Google...basically gently rose up from the Shadows. Flexed it's muscles. And instantly KO'd every company making ****ty small tablets.
In one move. One fell swoop.
Speak softly and carrying a big stick. Well Played Google.
While I know we are a bit upset over the sd slot, and hdmi. You've got to admit, this makes pretty much any other 200 tablet a piece of garbage now.
Thoughts?
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They bought the rights to sell the ASUS ME370T rebranded as the nexus 7 with features removed.
They didn't KO ASUS.
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.

jptech said:
That being said, I'm praying to Moore that their 10" nexus 10 is a rebranded infinity pad from ASUS.
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no way at the rumored $300 price point. plus infinity is already released. no way you will get true HD 1080P nexus tablet with most powerful tegra3 variant(highest clocked, higher voltage, higher clocked gpu, bandwidth on controller increased) for that cheap. we can dream though..lol.
I see a nexus 10 model being closer to transformer 300 minus some features to lower price point. nexus 7 already uses exact same tegra3 chipset as in transformer 300, which is the T30L variant. So Asus/Google could build a Nexus based on that design. minus some features. corners have to be cut to make the cheaper price point.

Cel1084 said:
Asus was going to release it regardless, Google just changed the standard of such devices taking out what we would call standard features that most people won't need and lowing the price on said standard while keeping the same performance.
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Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.

thebobp said:
Yeah, google's only real contribution here was the hype (not insignifigant). And it's price for meddling was removal of features (like sd card) Asus was probably willing to include.
To be honest, I'm not sure it was worth it. And we can never really know, short of travelling to that alternate reality where Asus did release that $250 memo.
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MWBehr said:
More realistic for it to have been $350 and have ICS instead of Jelly Bean.
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I'm pretty sure his 250 quote came directly from Asus back when they announced they where releasing it.

I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?

It might also bring down the price of some of the higher end tablets (are people really willing to pay an extra $xxx just to get feature xxx?)

Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.

I think they killed all competition in the 7" Android market entirely I'm guessing, and maybe will do the same to the bigger Android tablets if the rumored 10" is released.
Unfortunately, I think this will cause other companies to not build 7" tablets with better specs since most people aren't going to pay much more to have them.. (Like video out, micro sd, haptic feedback, etc.)
The Toshiba Excite 7.7 16gb @ $500? Dead, dead, dead. Only big difference is microsd and AMOLED. And timely updates from Toshiba? Not likely.
Galaxy Tab 7.7? Hard to say. Only the Verizon model is available directly in the US, so maybe it will hang on since it has cell radio, MHL, haptic feedback, microsd, AMOLED, etc. But then again it's over DOUBLE the price. (Disclaimer: I love mine. Verizon, where is my ICS update????)

There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.

acegolfer said:
I think N7 is the best move that Google could make with Android tablets. With N7, Google can
1. increase the market share, which is lagging iPad.
2. preempt the 7" iPad mini
3. kill cheap android tablets
4. set a standard to avoid fragmentation
5. diminish perception of android tablet = kindle fire
6. stepping stone for play store's long term success
anything I missed?
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a slap in apples face for their overpriced ipad and marketing condescending commercials :good:

TonyHoyle said:
There are 10" tablets out there for about the same price as the N7, running ICS, with SD cards etc. And they'll sell about 3 of them - because 'joe public' doesn't buy noname chinese hardware that's (in their mind) 'too cheap'.
A google tablet, on the store shelves next to everything else, with google's name on it - they'll buy that. Then you start to shift a few. Then other manufacturers can start to shift a few, too, because suddenly people have friends with an android tablet and they want one too. 'Not an ipad' ceases to be the death blow that it is currently.
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But these cheap tablets... The usually have no support, and no software updates, etc. That's also a huge reason ppl don't go buy them.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Please don't think I'm defending lower hardware specs, but the truth is that Nexus devices are great for their SOFTWARE. Other than the Nexus One, these devices have been great, with good hardware but typically not bleeding edge. They contain enough to do what Google sets out to do. I used to be mad about this but now I'm quite happy. There's more to having a great device than the absolute edge of technology. When I got the Nexus S it was the best Gingerbread phone until Google release the next phone... the Galaxy Nexus. I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus now (ordered int'l in Jan) and though it wasn't the end all of hardware when it came out on paper... it is STILL the best ICS device as well. Now on JB, it simply flies. Why is this?
Simply, the way software and hardware are integrated, it's at Apple levels, dare I say. If you look at superior hardware phones like the One X and SGS III, there are hiccups and hangups or other things created by their custom UI's, etc. Plus, the software is written by Google for the Nexus devices to run well.
I'm not saying the galaxy nexus or other nexus device will have the highest benchmarks or play Temple Run the best, but they tend to function as a whole better than their brethren.
The Nexus 7 seems to be the same way. Jellybean is amazing. As Morfic stated, it makes ICS seem like Vista to Jellybean's Windows 7. It may be basically the same kernel, but it does everything it's predecessor does, better and more. Since they hired Mathias Duarte, I believe Android has not just the most functional OS of mobiles, but also the most cohesive and sharpest looking. All of this is my opinion of course, but I remember when GB came out and compared my Nexus S to the iPhone 4 and thought it still LOOKED a little rough. Now, in addition to it doing more, it looks and feels better as well.
My hope is that the Nexus 7 and Google's focus on this device will bring better Tablet UI apps and allows them to take market share from Apple the way they have done the past few years with their phones.
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I agree with you on some of the points but One x and SGSIII are not hick ups. One x might had some problems earlier but SGSIII never had any problem and it is the best ICS phone not Galaxy Nexus. I sold my Galaxy Nexus 2 weeks back and this was the first phone which does not make me feel wow about anything at all. It was doing everything at acceptable level but best at nothing. I agree that at $350 price tag it is a nice phone but I bought this phone only because I was short of money. Google did well with Nexus one, Nexus S and they were indeed best phones but Galaxy Nexus was just okay sort of phone even when it was released last year. I think the new Nexus would be much better which hopefully would be released later this year.
On the other hand what you have said about Nexus 7 on the other hand is true. Even though I have iPad 3 64GB with 4G but I understand what google is trying to do with Nexus 7 and I love what they did. I was looking for a good 7 inch tablet and there was nothing good in the market in 7 inch beside toshiba 7.7 but it was too pricey. Who is going to pay more than 500 for a 7.7 inch android tablet? Google on the other hand done very well by introducing Nexus 7 only for 200 and nothing can beat it at this price point or even nothing with 300 more price tag can beat it. It is even better than Asus Pad TF300 which cost way more than Nexus 7. The 7 inch form factor is also great and google made a very good choice.

Why such a high demand?

Maybe someone already posted this.. but oh well
I've had my GSM Galaxy Nexus since Feb.. and not once has anyone even notice it or asked what kind of phone that is..
Along with that half the people you meet always have something negative to about Android.. rather its not being as smooth as Apple products.. or its just too big..
But Google releases a tablet.. with no kind of public press (and by public i meant TV ads etc at least i haven't seen any) or any kind of notice before hand besides on blogs that i figure only people like me care about (Android Central, The verge etc)
and the thing flys off shelves as soon as they are in stock.. as if it was a Apple product .. and Google is so backed up with orders they didn't even expect this..
What makes the Nexus 7 such a high demand.. we had AOSP tablets before like the XOOM, and Samsung makes some pretty good tablets.. But no one is rushing to buy them, At least from what i remember.. i walked into my Best Buy to buy a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and they had about 30 in stock on launch day. and the Galaxy Tab 2 7" just came out
Is it just the price point? Jelly Bean? (Even tho 9/10 people don't care what OS their on)

It's a few things for me. The price point being the most obvious but the spec at that price is a winner. Backed by the fact that it's a Nexus device so you're gonna get updates also helps.

I think it's the price.
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Price point
High specs
High build quality
Jelly bean
Asus were the only company making the high standard of android tablets, so it made sense for Google to choose them & it looks like they were correct in doing so
I constantly play with my tablet, thinking I would have paid a whole lot more for it.
The only downside for me on this tablet was the 16gb storage, it would have been nice to have 32gb (even if they charged a bit more)
But once you change your habits of not installing everything you own, 16gb is very manageable for me.
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Because this is the first OFIICIAL TRUE AOSP based Google tablet. Xoom was more of unofficial but xoom was way overpriced and had alot of thing going against it from the very beginning. I would think these tablets flying off the shelves because its such a great deal and performs great. One of the best tablets out right now, if not the best period. You get all this power for budget price. If I were you, I'd be trying to get one asap

It's definitely the price point. Flagship android device for that price, I'll take it.
Once I find a job that is.
Congrats to Google though, it's about time an Android tablet starts flying off the shelves.

High end feel and performance for a low-end price.
Jellybean IS buttery smooth, and the Nexus7 feels REALLY fast to use, the screen is georgous, the tablet has a great feel. And it's currently got a bargain price.
I say currently, Clearly by Google pricing it at break-even pricing, other Android tablet vendors don't really stand a chance of competing. So I expect that now Google have shown what can be done with Android tablets, they won't be in too much of a rush to replenish stocks and sell them at the same price. They will have pressure from other Android tablet sellers to give them a break.
In short, expect limited supply and/or price rises for future shipments. You can be sure the $25 play credit will evaporate soon too.

Also with the N7 flying off the shelves it also put pressure on Apple to bring a 7" tablet to the market & the likes of Samsung & others to up their game to offers better specs 7" tablets for around the same price £200.

I gotta agree, it's an amazing tablet, but how the hell does Joe Public know about it?! There's not even a real commercial for it, just a bunch of boring programmers talking about what they have done with it. The only places I've seen it advertised are online ads, but I'm guessing I'm only seeing them everywhere because I've been searching for information about the tablet non-stop.
Either way, I'm glad it's had this popularity. I feel other manufacturers haven't got Tablets "right" yet, and I'm a HUGE fan of Samsung, I try and buy their new tech whenever possible (I have a Samsung: washing machine, TV, monitor, galaxy s2 and laptop) but I couldn't bring myself to purchase their tablet, despite me wanting a tablet for quite some while).
Google needs to take a chunk out of Apple. With Google being almost the opposite of Apple (open source, etc) then I'm glad to see this. Now when my douchbag friends whip out their iPad, I whip out something even better.

Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.

c0m47053 said:
Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.
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Right - how do we determine high demand if we don't have any idea of how many were available?

Retailers get them in batches, depending on how many they think they can sell so some will have more than others. I seriously doubt a shop like pcworld would only get 5 per store.
The reason they sold so well is because people (not sheep) bought them based on the reputation of the companies selling them and because they were sold at a fair price for what you are getting. The reason some companies spend a fortune on advertising when releasing a facelift of an outdated product, is because they need to convince their sheep that they need to waste another $400.
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It has to be price. A base model iPod touch costs the same, and you get a quality tablet with superb hardware here.

Definitely top notch hardware for budget price.

Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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It is selling so well because of one simple thing,
Mass Market Price Point!
Every electronics firm that doesn't rely on image to sell units aims for this holy grail! This is why Sony and Microsoft re-engineer there devices to reduce costs and RR P's because high quality and keen price king!
The fact that the Nexus 7 offers a quality service at an attractive price point is why it is doing so well!

ray3andrei said:
Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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chrisjcks said:
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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Isn't it obvious? Last year, Apple told the world about Android fragmentation, and the braindead sheep then repeated this across the internet as if it were fact.
Now Apple has even worse fragmentation problems, that's not talked about anymore, they have now told the world to talk about Android update timescales... And the sheep are telling anyone that wants to listen, how nobody has ICS and so forth...

chrisjcks said:
Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
No excuse l left so
Now they will sue google/asus for making a smooth operating system
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have you picked up a Xoom and then an N7? One feels like the added lead to it... and it is not the N7...
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ASUS Hate?

What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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Cor-master said:
What's the deal here? Asus makes good stuff they always have. I was happy to hear they were making the nexus 7.
Obviously everyone who is complaining about ASUS has never built a pc like ever. I dunno what everyone expects really. People want Samsung, yet I have to swap out my captivate twice, once for a bad loudspeaker, and once for a bad power button. Both were known issues. HTCs have some claim to be indestructible but guess what? My buddies Droid incredible, not indestructible as his power button died. And seems on the Flyer, bad charging ports were common. My wifes HTC Vivids screen died a month after use. I'm not scared at all of buying htc or Samsung again either but mobile technology just breaks its how it goes. Welcome to the era of cheap Chinese manufacturing!
Honestly my nexus seems fine. I don't see anything wrong with build quality or screen. I do notice the calibration issue but otherwise everything works fine on it and mine is one of the second wave. We're all early adopters too, think about xbox 360 or ps2 owners. All the testing in the world won't reveal all the common issues, so we're all Guinea pigs right now testing and telling Asus and Google what's wrong. And that's okay because I have a warranty and Google's warranty service is awesome.
I'm just sick of the Asus bashing myself. You want cheap shoddy crap? Have Sony make us a tablet!
As for this screen separation issues it'll blow over.
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"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.

Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.

Yeah I want to add that alot of companies aren't great with warranties. Honestly htc I probably the best as I've read stories of people sending in their completely dead flyers with bad charging ports in, rooted and unlocked bootloader and they've fixed the charge port and sent it back. Sony surely wasn't very nice about the disc read error on the ps2, telling customers to just buy another one, and Samsung on numerous occasions to people I've known refused to honor warranties on their tvs. Also my captivate had a bad gps antenna, in fact all galaxy s phones did and Samsung never owned up to that. The grass is always greener I guess...
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When you make 1000's of units- there's bound to be some frustrated customers, it's just sheer numbers, nothing is perfect.
I think Google initially took the most hits for the lack of SD cardslot, the big price difference between the 8 and 16GB units, and the rollout craziness when they had stores withhold units they actually had on hand till their own direct to customer channel got up to speed.
Once defects began to crop up in delivered units- ASUS came under the blade for poor quality control.
ASUS has to take blame for physical defects- that has nothing to do with Google. IIRC- the N7 was pretty much based on a 7" tablet ASUS already had in the works- for a 2012 release Google just had them remove some items (like the bemoaned SD cardslot) and rebadge it as a Google tablet. Google can't be blamed for poor workmanship on the N7, blame ASUS if your tablet isn't satisfactory.
In the end- Google should/will make good for defective units, so it's a bit of an inconvenience for the end-users, but that's how it is with complicated consumer electronics nowadays anyway.
OT- this is a tablet forum, but since the OP mentioned ASUS motherboards- their current product is not what it once was quality wise.
Years ago- I mean 10-12 years ago ASUS motherboards were top notch, with very good quality components that would last forever. As soon as the infamous "bulging capacitors" started showing up in consumer items- they started showing up in ASUS motherboards too. ASUS was particularly difficult to deal with in some of these cases and got out of making good on warranty service when they could. That really tarnished their reputation and opened the door for newer companies to offer their products to computer builders. Soon after that, the rest of the motherboard industry caught up with ASUS, and some have surpassed them in value features for the dollar. ASUS IMO is no longer 'special" as far as their motherboard product- I'd rate them just middle of the road quality wise and low to medium in features for the dollar on their motherboards. Can't remember the last time I used an ASUS MB for one of my computer builds...

nyijedi said:
"Obviously" nothing. I've used Asus before for motherboards, and they were fine. However, their tablet business is a different story. This company has screwed me personally multiple times already with my Transformer Prime, and have screwed many other customers as well. Take a trip over to the Prime forums if you really want to know why there's so much "Asus hate" as you put it. They've earned every bit of it.
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If you believe this, then why on earth would you have bought a Nexus 7?
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ASUS makes good desktop and laptop components, but their tablets have been less than stellar. The OG Transformer was great until it was first updated to ICS and then even stock users were getting random reboots and sleep of deaths. The Transformer Prime was good but had the GPS and WiFi issues. I haven't heard anything about the TF301 or TF701 but the Nexus 7 has had it's fair share of issues.
I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
My Nexus 7 only has the screen lift issue which is fine with me, but a lot of others are having much more severe issues.

ASUS makes great tablets, they are my favorite, when they aren't defective.
It's purely my opinion and observation. But it seems like ASUS struggles a lot more with their early batches of tablets than others. Sure Apple and Samsung have defects too. But buying an ASUS tablet during it's first month of launch always seems like a much bigger cluster**** than with Apple or Samsung or others.
Not sure why this is, but I think ASUS is rushing too much to get a head start on Samsung and the competitors. TF101 released before the Galaxy Tab 10.1, TF201 was the first ICS tablet, TF701 was almost the first 1920x1200 tablet. And this Nexus 7 was pretty somewhat retooled in just 4 months for Google.

Cor-master said:
Their build quality is on par with the competition. HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, hell even Apple. Mobile stuff breaks it is what it is.
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I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
pharpe said:
The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Just to be clear, I love my Nexus 7, but that love is a direct result of Google's awesome software. The thing is snappy and stable as hell, unlike my buggy, garbage Transformer Prime w/ its Asus controlled software that lags and ANRs every friggin' second. I bought the N7 expecting to have hardware problems based on my past experience with Asus tablets, and they certainly didn't disappoint (well, they did, but you know what I mean ). The software more than makes up for it though - at least for me.
The good news is that I'll bet anything that Google is done with this crappy company after the N7.
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I love ASUS and have owned probably every type of product they have put out, and sadly their tablets just aren't on par with the rest of the company.
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I think this may be the issue. Those who insist on defending Asus seem to be customers who have bought plenty of Asus products before, but no tablets. Those of us who own a TF101 or TF201 know the deal. Their tablet division does seem to be run very differently from the rest of the company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5i4l143RIY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You mean that tablet? Looks identical to it but oddly no front camera, but it has a rear camera.
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The Nexus 7 is a great device. When reading these forums you have to remember that the negative posts are the vocal minority. This is due to two things:
People that are happy, and have no issues, generally don't post to just say, "hey all is good here." For every poster with a legit issue there are tens of thousands without issues that do not post.
A lot of people are really not that intelligent. They don't understand the technology, they don't bother to read the specs before they order the phone, or have unrealistic expectations.
It's not just ASUS. The same thing happened when the Galaxy Nexus was released. Someone that came in and just scanned the XDA GNex General would have thought the phone was the worst device ever release. In actuality it's just the opposite.
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Hey all is good here. Received mine last week. It's mittens!

nyijedi said:
I respectfully disagree. I own devices from a variety of companies. Apple's 1st iPad, Motorola Droid, HTC G1 and Nexus One, Samsung's Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus, and Asus' Transformer Prime and Nexus 7. Only two of those devices have had any problems - care to guess which two?
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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.

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To call you out, the iPad 1 had horrible screen bleed. The Motorola Droid was locked (still is?). The Nexus One didn't have multitouch (it did but was completely broken), and the Galaxy Nexus has a problem with grays on the screen (visible lines) and had multitouch issues similar to the N7 now. The iPad3 gets super hot and burning people. The iPhone 4 was ruined by a signal shorting metal housing.
I also owned a Transformer TF101 was nearly perfect aside from some occasional case creaking.
I've owned all of the above and I know first hand. Nothing is perfect.
The Transformer Prime primarily had issues with wireless signals because of the metal backing, hence why the new models are plastic. I don't know if there were other problems. I remember something about GPS too, which isn't bad considering you don't use GPS on a 10" tablet very often. Not sure if they fixed that.
Asus DID have problems with the PRIME but all of their other devices really set the bar. Their device support (software patches; upgrades) is the best I've ever seen to date. I've gotten more updates on my TF101 then from Google on my Galaxy Nexus. It's even getting JB. No other tablet that was launched on Honeycomb (maybe Xoom?) is seeing JB released officially. I don't even think the Samsung 10.1 Tabs even got to ICS.
Needless to say, the issues with the N7 are subtle compared to just most of the devices you mentioned.
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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.

I've never had any more trouble with Asus products then others, I'd guess the majority of components are sourced from the same Chinese manufacturers which supply other companies such as Samsung, HTC, etc. Given that most of the issues seems to stem from overtightened screws and misapplication of adhesive the major problem appears to be with Asus's (or whichever company they contract out to) quality control. Which is probably going to be a problem that begins to affect more companies as consumers keep demanding lower prices.

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Never had screen bleed on my iPad1 (probably because Apple quickly rectified the problem once finding out about it, unlike Asus). The Droid 1 was never locked. Nexus One multitouch issues were overblown. I'm not familiar with your two complaints about the Galaxy Nexus, as I have 2 of them (wife and myself) and both are perfect.
I will say this - it does seem that the Prime is Asus' biggest mistake, and that's the device that has really formed my opinions of Asus. Their device support on the Prime SUCKS. They have an Asus rep keep promising updates here on the XDA forums, but nothing comes. And the few that have come have actually borked the Prime more than before. As for GPS, it doesn't matter if YOU don't have a use for it. THey ADVERTISED IT, it didn't work (also because of the terribly designed metal back plate), and then they "fixed" it by removing GPS functionality from the box! Can you believe that?! They finally released a "GPS" dongle for the Prime, but you can't charge the Prime when it's plugged in, so forget about using it on a long road trip.
Then you have the RMA issues. Do a quick search for RMA and CID (customer-induced damage) re: Asus and their Prime if you want to see how they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I absolutely will not budge on what a terrible company Asus is - at least as far as tablets go.
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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.

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I wouldn't call Asus terrible on the tablet front. Not the best is better suited but they aren't terrible by a long shot, they release the best tablets before anyone else, but their QC is subpar.
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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.

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"Release the best tablets?" I don't know, man. The Prime is beautiful, but the thing is practically a paper weight. The piss-poor I/O performance and constant ANRs make it just about unusable for anything other than light web browsing. I'm not exaggerating either. You can check out the Prime forums if you don't believe me.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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My first unit has screen lift which is pretty minor, but it also has dead audio jack (one side) and touch issues (one touch turns into two, causing random zooming and problems in Swype). I have had good luck with asus pc components but this is not very impressive.
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I already asked this, but you still don't answer. If you believe Asus makes garbage and you have "evidence/proof/personal experience" then why did you buy an N7? If you don't have an N7 because of the pure awesomeness of your iPad, then what the hell are you even on the N7 forums for?
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Sorry if you asked it - I didn't see it.
My most hated tech company is Asus. However, my most beloved tech company is Google, and I specifically love their Nexus line. I own every Nexus device - I even imported the Galaxy Nexus from Europe before it went on sale here. I'm an unapologetic Google/Nexus fan boy. So as you can imagine, Google using Asus for their first Nexus tablet put me in a tough spot. I held out for a week after it was released, but finally decided that it was worth it to bite the bullet and get the tablet despite it being made by Asus, especially considering the low $200 price point, and especially considering that it would be supported by Google and not Asus. And I love the N7. Sure, I had to install some shims and crazy glue the screen, but I love the thing. I'm just speaking the truth about Asus. Sorry if you don't like it.
Also, not sure what you're talking about re: "the pure awesomeness of your iPad" comment. Just because I'm ripping on Asus doesn't mean I'm an Apple fanboy. On the contrary, I'm a huge Android fanboy. I have the original iPad back from when it was released, before Android tablets existed. I don't even use it anymore. Very odd comment on your part, IMHO.

Cheaper, slimmer Google Nexus 7 rumored for Q1 2013

Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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Well what do we think?

Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.

A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.

I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.

I'm happy enough for my current N7

We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!

With cortex a8 and adreno 200...

They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.

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They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7

Adinaky said:
I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.

This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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Uh60m Pilot said:
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!

Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..

99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?

all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow

Next phone Opinion, no Hate needed

Hey guys,
I've been an Android guy since the Desire HD days, (2010), but before that I had an iPhone. My switch to Android was mainly for the freedom of thinkering, customizing things to my needs and because by that time, devices where usually cheaper.
I have been seriously considering switching back to iPhone, (6s+) specifically, as I feel that in the last years iOS has advanced, as well as Android, greatly.
I buy Nexus devices for the clean Google Android experience, and fast transparent updates with no carrier OEM interaction.
This whole N update has been a disaster IMO, and I'm reluctant to buy a 6p (I'm always one year behind) thinking the same thing will probably happen to it with the Android 8 update. And I always feel as I have to make compromises with my Nexus devices, like the bad camera (IMO) for the N6, or lag after a few days, or the HORRIBLE touch issues on my 2013 Nexus 7 (which I still love).
Not sure if I could handle the change though, will give my wife's iPhone a spin when it receives iOS 10 today.
Any thoughts?

My thoughts:
N6 and iPhone are very good phones.
Choice is personal.
Disadvantage of the iPhone is the price.

NLBeev said:
My thoughts:
N6 and iPhone are very good phones.
Choice is personal.
Disadvantage of the iPhone is the price.
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Thanks for the reply, though it seems that the price difference gets smaller each time as the Pixel XL is rumored to cost $649, and the 7s Plus 32GB costs $769.
Honestly not a huge difference, more so when you take in to account that iPhones tend to resale for more (at least here in the states)
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This whole N update has been a disaster IMO, and I'm reluctant to buy a 6p (I'm always one year behind) thinking the same thing will probably happen to it with the Android 8 update. And I always feel as I have to make compromises with my Nexus devices, like the bad camera (IMO) for the N6, or lag after a few days, or the HORRIBLE touch issues on my 2013 Nexus 7 (which I still love).
Not sure if I could handle the change though, will give my wife's iPhone a spin when it receives iOS 10 today.
Any thoughts?
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It has been, but this fall is not good for updates, or for judging by updates:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/13/ios-10-update-bricked-my-iphone/

jibust said:
.....difference gets smaller each time as the Pixel XL is rumored to cost $649, and the 7s Plus 32GB costs $769.
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Right but..., we pay to much.
The design of the iPhones is superior.
Imo that's the reason why people are so happy to pay the high price.
When we look further.... We have here publications that Apple is fined to pay 13 billion euro. They pay 0,005% taxes instead of 30%.
Apple-like companies are stealing from the community, they use infrastructure etc for free.

Maybe you need a brief break from Android, as i might it is really a personal decision versus specs.

In my opinion, it isn't such a great time to upgrade yet, I honestly wanted to upgrade to the OnePlus 3 but alas, it's GSM only so its bands don't support Verizon. Then I was looking towards the Galaxy Note 7 and was thinking about upgrading, but then the whole battery explosion fiasco happened. Now the iPhone 7 came out and I wasn't amazed one bit. Keep in mind I used to have iPhones since the 3G lineup, but the customization capabilities were so stale and weak so I switched over to Android on the Galaxy S5, never looked back.
If I am to upgrade anytime this year it's going to have to be a "Pixel" device and they're going to have to wow me, otherwise I think I'll hang onto my N6 for another year, still an amazing device

I wouldn't get the 6p, since it is snapdragon 810. Frankly, the 6's 805 is a better chip.
Not sure the reason for the panic about the update, it has only been a few days. They've been adding one device at a time, presumably to let the dust settle on the latest device before moving on to the next one. 6p was the most recent to get the update, only one remaining now is the 6.
The next ones (named pixel instead of nexus?) will be snapdragon 820 or 821, which is finally a good 64bit chip from QC.

IMO the ZTE Axon 7 is the best bang for the buck right now. Flagship specs and all the latest features for $400. You could sell your Nexus 6 for $150-$200 to help offset the cost.

Thanks for the input everyone.
Gave my wife's 6s+ a spin, and it would be a pretty big change. Going to think about it for a while and see. Depending on the Pixel lineup I will choose.
Thanks again!

The one benefit of Android is we're really starting to get great phones at a bargain price, something that will never happen to iOS. For instance, my wife got the Amazon-version of the Moto G4 for $125 and it's a pretty amazing phone. Not stock android, and who knows about updates, but it's a great phone for the price.
I'm going to have a lot of trouble upgrading to anything that costs over $300. I'm disappointed that the upcoming Pixel phones are going to be in the Samsung/Apple price range, as opposed to ~$300-400.
After my Nexus 6, I'm considering staying a year behind. Upgrade to a 6p or 5x. Stay in the ecosystem, get the Google updates, get a faster phone but not pay leading-edge prices.

I have three things that keep me from going iPhone and one of them is something I can overlook. I need to have access to the file structure and use my phone as a USB drive. I also need to have the ability to send ANY file to another person via email, like zip files or different image formats like .tiff. The iPhone email restrictions are a deal breaker to me. I also hate having every app on the main screen all of the time, but I can live without it. I'm heavily invested in the Google system, but I'd give that up too.
An iPhone for 99% of people is a solid choice, it's just a fact. But guess what? Android is a solid choice as well. But things like OEM induced OS fragmentation and carrier interference make it a bit less desirable, but Nexus is the way a fix for that. I have to say if they get rid of Nexus devices and get rid of the ability to root (I love ad blocking at the system level) I may have to go iPhone as well.

NLBeev said:
Right but..., we pay to much.
The design of the iPhones is superior.
Imo that's the reason why people are so happy to pay the high price.
When we look further.... We have here publications that Apple is fined to pay 13 billion euro. They pay 0,005% taxes instead of 30%.
Apple-like companies are stealing from the community, they use infrastructure etc for free.
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The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol

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The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol
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Apple *invented* exploding batteries.... (yep, they should feel free to actually take credit for this one)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/more-exploding-iphones/

DogzOfWar said:
The one benefit of Android is we're really starting to get great phones at a bargain price, something that will never happen to iOS. For instance, my wife got the Amazon-version of the Moto G4 for $125 and it's a pretty amazing phone. Not stock android, and who knows about updates, but it's a great phone for the price.
I'm going to have a lot of trouble upgrading to anything that costs over $300. I'm disappointed that the upcoming Pixel phones are going to be in the Samsung/Apple price range, as opposed to ~$300-400.
After my Nexus 6, I'm considering staying a year behind. Upgrade to a 6p or 5x. Stay in the ecosystem, get the Google updates, get a faster phone but not pay leading-edge prices.
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Well I enjoy being on the bleeding edge, that is why I bought Nexus and put up with the shortcomings of Nexus, but the way Google has handled N for the N6 leaves a really bad taste. I know it sounds picky but we buy Nexus for the often mentioned Google updates. Not a fan of the 6p but I'm seriosly considering it, maybe I'll get it during Black Friday.
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I have three things that keep me from going iPhone and one of them is something I can overlook. I need to have access to the file structure and use my phone as a USB drive. I also need to have the ability to send ANY file to another person via email, like zip files or different image formats like .tiff. The iPhone email restrictions are a deal breaker to me. I also hate having every app on the main screen all of the time, but I can live without it. I'm heavily invested in the Google system, but I'd give that up too.
An iPhone for 99% of people is a solid choice, it's just a fact. But guess what? Android is a solid choice as well. But things like OEM induced OS fragmentation and carrier interference make it a bit less desirable, but Nexus is the way a fix for that. I have to say if they get rid of Nexus devices and get rid of the ability to root (I love ad blocking at the system level) I may have to go iPhone as well.
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Well, I've found that I can pretty much replace/cover all my needs with Apple Apps. Also, from using my wife's iPhone, I agree with those who say that the Google experience is actually better in iOS now. They even have features/apps we don't have :silly:
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The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol
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Lol, A sturdy case fixes the bending and a battery change fixes the bloating. Nothing fixes a burnt phone, you are right.
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/more-exploding-iphones/
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Lol

jibust said:
Well I enjoy being on the bleeding edge, that is why I bought Nexus and put up with the shortcomings of Nexus, but the way Google has handled N for the N6 leaves a really bad taste. I know it sounds picky but we buy Nexus for the often mentioned Google updates. Not a fan of the 6p but I'm seriosly considering it, maybe I'll get it during Black Friday.
Well, I've found that I can pretty much replace/cover all my needs with Apple Apps. Also, from using my wife's iPhone, I agree with those who say that the Google experience is actually better in iOS now. They even have features/apps we don't have :silly:
Lol, A sturdy case fixes the bending and a battery change fixes the bloating. Nothing fixes a burnt phone, you are right.
Lol
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Unfortunately most people have cases that look nice, but have very little protection.

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Unfortunately most people have cases that look nice, but have very little protection.
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Well I believe that it depends on the person, I can use a phone without case and it won't have issues, still I use a pretty slim one that provide very little protection.
My wife on the other hand, needs to have her phone encased in an almost military grade cover, my kid the same.
There are just people who take a little bit more care of their phones, or just give it a lot more value, for others it's just another tool so if it falls it falls.

I had the note 7. I tried to like it. I like the camera a lot. But I'm sitting at best buy right now returning the note 7. I knew going into the note 7 that TW was a memory hog but I tried to like it. After using it for a couple of weeks and used my N6 again, I couldn't believe how much quicker everything felt. So here I am, back to the N6, I'll be on the look out for the pixel phones.

Since price and OEM practices of apple arent an issue for you, get an iphone.
iphones are targeted at a specific demographic and it seems you are part of it.

Gonna resurrect this thread since the Pixel phones just came out. I honestly do not find the Pixel (reg and XL) appealing.
I used a co-workers S6 Edge, and I have to admit, it was pretty nice. I would actually go for the Note 7 since I like the bigger screen (yes, explosion, yes fire, just saying).
Any recommendations?