Final answer to all the people wondering about profit margins. What I'm wondering is, how would they work this out? Doesnt the cost price for the component depend on the order amount. They would have to know Asus's and Google's production numbers to find a more accurate figure, no?
http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-7-production-costs-estimated-at-184-06237492/
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/google-nexus-7-teardown/
Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
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Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
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I thought everyone knew this already.
then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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Dont know you tell me? This is the Nexus 7 general forum, isn't it?
What I want? Your opinion on the matter would be a good start.
ASUS is certainly profiting more off the 16GB model.
8GB Nexus 7 cost: $184.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors. As that's something Apple/Amazon can do, to NOT o the same will reduce their ability to compete somewhat. It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
Production cost isn't fixed, but pegged to volume (aka economy of scale). Assuming N7 sells well, this will go down. Component costs also drop over time. KF est BOM cost was $200'ish in Nov last year, now it's $150'ish.
http://google.com/search?q=kindle+fire+bom+cost
The thin margin is why the 8GB SKU is only sold through Play. The 16GB SKU's larger margin allows retailers to take their cut.
Some think that lack of SD slot is a cost-saving decision. But the one thing that cheapo China tabs have is plenty of ports, even full-sized USB. Per above, it's obvious to say that lack of SD is to encourage sales of the higher-end SKU, as else folks will just get the base model + 32GB microSD.
Realistically, the majority of sales will be for the $250 16GB SKU, allowing Goog to make a nominal profit (although I doubt HW profit is Goog's main concern). The 8GB's $200 mark is good for advertising, but is more of a lowballed price.
>I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors... It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
I was pondering this same possibility. The rising "app store" model really shoves HW vendors into second-class status. They bear the costs of device manufacturing and marketing, and yet only makes pennies while the platform owner and ISVs make all the big bucks. Some thing will need to give.
Pragmatically, I don't see the above notion happening any time soon, mainly because the ecosystem owners don't have to. There will need to be some trend or sign of rebellion from HW vendors. But the flip side to this is that it will only encourage the eco-owners (MS, Google, Amazon) to roll their own devices, which they are already wont to do.
Methinks many strategists in HW-only vendors are scratching their heads right now, trying to plan a workaround for a content-first market.
Sound analysis, emote.
Assuming they're using up-front component costs, I would treat their estimate as an upper bound. They're making at least $15/unit, more if economies of scale kick in. And probably vastly more on the more popular 16gb version.
Assuming the report about Asus keeping all the profits is accurate, I'd say Asus got a good deal here. The Nexus branding means they'll sell like hotcakes, for hardware inferior to their original me3o. Sounds kinda like a certain fruity company we all know of.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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lol now I can sleep at night....
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
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Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
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That's has to be a typo, it is definitely 100% capacitive. And I guess I was thinking of back in the day with older iPod touches where it was a $100 difference between 8 and 16GB models
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It also says 2GB ram. Definetly some errors there.
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iSuppli: 8GB N7 BOM cost = $152, 16GB N7 BOM cost = $160
http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/
This is good news. It means that other companies can also build a similar 7"--hopefully w/ HDMI and SD slot--and sell it for same price ($250 for 16GB) and still make money. Google upped the ante, but didn't kill off the 7" market. Hopefully there'll be more entrants other than the KF2, since most likely it won't have a SD slot either.
Interesting tidbit: N7 800x1280 IPS display cost = $38, Fire 600x1024 IPS display cost = $35. It only costs $3 more for the high-res display. That means we'll probably see many other 7" going hi-res in the near future. Maybe 10" as well?
How can something that's estimated be final?
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Would you look at that... somebody actually gets the appeal of the nook
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/lenovo-announces-ideapad-a1-the-199-android-tablet-we-go-hand/
7" 1024x600 screen, $200. Dont see anything on the other specs, but unlike most competitors the screen is there.
Jotokun said:
Would you look at that... somebody actually gets the appeal of the nook
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/lenovo-announces-ideapad-a1-the-199-android-tablet-we-go-hand/
7" 1024x600 screen, $200. Dont see anything on the other specs, but unlike most competitors the screen is there.
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I saw this earlier too.... sounds *real* familiar overall. It's even running Gingerbread, a la CM7, etc. It will be interesting to see how it does, but it comes off sort of like a slightly tweaked, slightly more mainstream CM7 NC. It's kind of a credit to the NC that this thing is coming out a year+ later for a similar price point and doesn't really blow it away, as far as I can tell.
The story also doesn't talk about the display quality. If it is on par with the NC, then maybe...
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PC World is listing the processor as a single core 1Ghz Cortex A8 and 2GB internal memory. Only info so far on the screen is that it's Capacitive touch with a 1024x600 resolution. Still no info on any kind of hardware acceleration which can make or break it as a media player.
Edit: They do mention a GPS receiver, which is rather interesting.
Looks pretty sweet! $200 is definitely the right price point.
Has advantages over the NC - camera, GPS
You can buy a refurb NC for $170 these days though.
Also article says the 8GB model will not be for sale in the USA. 16GB model will at $249.
Unless the screen and battery are total lemons, I would say the 16GB model blows the NC out of the water going head-to-head at $250 retail. Of course, it would be a little ridiculous to buy a NC at full retail right now, this late in the production cycle and with full-warranty refurbs fast approaching the $150 mark.
The recent Vizio tablet is also a decent contender in the NC's retail range and nearly the same form factor.
I'm digging that widget in the middle of the screen. Anyone know what it is?
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I'm digging that widget in the middle of the screen. Anyone know what it is?
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I would guess it's a proprietary UI element, but it may just be a pre-loaded market widget.
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Unless the screen and battery are total lemons, I would say the 16GB model blows the NC out of the water going head-to-head at $250 retail.
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Um, well, except for the fact that probably 95% of the people who buy a NC buy it because it's an eReader with apps.
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Um, well, except for the fact that probably 95% of the people who buy a NC buy it because it's an eReader with apps.
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Which has little bearing on the question of whether said "eReader with apps" is comparable in value to an almost identical device with several advantages, nor on the question of whether a year-old and decreasingly unique piece of electronics is still worth the initial retail price.
Or are you simply arguing that B&N can continue selling NCs for $250 on the basis of consumer ignorance?
Hmm... if i ever upgrade I might hold out for Sammy's 7.7" super amoled with GPS and 0.7 pound weight and 10 hour batt life. But only at $250!
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Which has little bearing on the question of whether said "eReader with apps" is comparable in value to an almost identical device with several advantages, nor on the question of whether a year-old and decreasingly unique piece of electronics is still worth the initial retail price.
Or are you simply arguing that B&N can continue selling NCs for $250 on the basis of consumer ignorance?
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I'm obviously saying that the vast majority of people who want an eReader aren't getting a tablet, and vise versa.
The price point to beat will be the one that Amazon sets with its new tablet. If a decent tablet from a known company is available below that price point, that can use the kindle app and nook app, then consumers will catch on. The real issue however is that Lenovo has no stake in an app store or media store, so they can't afford to lose money on hardware, while Amazon and B&N can.
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That's the Lenovo Launcher, a custom widget that comes on all their tablets.
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The price point to beat will be the one that Amazon sets with its new tablet. If a decent tablet from a known company is available below that price point, that can use the kindle app and nook app, then consumers will catch on. The real issue however is that Lenovo has no stake in an app store or media store, so they can't afford to lose money on hardware, while Amazon and B&N can.
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Supposedly Amazon's tablet will be a $250 7" 6GB tablet with wifi, negotiating 3g/4g. There's some rumor that 3g access will be "free" (along with 1 year Amazon Prime free membership) but... man that's a lot of bandwidth to be giving away free for a tablet.
No camera, and also apparently no HC --- "a system prior to 2.2".
Personally I'm not really all that jazzed, kind of disappointed at the mediocre (so far) specs.
The articles should be filtering in for this about now.
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Supposedly Amazon's tablet will be a $250 7" 6GB tablet with wifi, negotiating 3g/4g. There's some rumor that 3g access will be "free" (along with 1 year Amazon Prime free membership) but... man that's a lot of bandwidth to be giving away free for a tablet.
No camera, and also apparently no HC --- "a system prior to 2.2".
Personally I'm not really all that jazzed, kind of disappointed at the mediocre (so far) specs.
The articles should be filtering in for this about now.
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I read that this morning too. I'm sure they will sell a lot due to brand recognition, but it sounds like they're late to the party with that one. The NC is essentially the same, but has been out for a year. And it sounds like they are readying a new one.
Too bad. I was hoping for better hardware at a subsidized price. The Lenovo looks much better than the Amazon Tab.
Don't know how credible it is, but this was posted over on mobileread:
Dulin's Books said:
The AmTab will have a AFFS lcd panels provided by Hydis which is a subsidiary of PrimeView/Eink Holdings http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp
AFFS or Advanced Fringe Field Switching Displasy are a Hydis patented tech which produces bright displays with very good color and 180 degree viewing angles with lower power usage then similar size IPS displays
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp
http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_02.asp
http://www.boehydis.de/techno/techno.html?reload_coolmenus
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So, it sounds like at least a minor screen improvement over the NC, but maybe this also explains the rumors of B&N acquiring "e-paper backing" from eInk for the next-gen NC.
Wow free 3g!
Ill buy this or the amazon tab if theres a 250gb HD like the Archos tabs. I need that space to replace my ipod classic sometime...
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Ill buy this or the amazon tab if theres a 250gb HD like the Archos tabs. I need that space to replace my ipod classic sometime...
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a 250GB tablet from any of the top tier manufacturers. The 8/16/32GB flash memory model seems to be pretty much standardized now. Some of the lower-end, fringe companies like Archos might come out with hard-drive based tablets, but the big guys won't.
Amazon certainly won't, because they want you to use their cloud services to store your MP3s, and putting a huge storage capacity in their tablet would be counterproductive for that goal.
The best we can expect in terms of storage is 64GB SDXC support and/or multiple SD slots. The Lenovo actually has one micro and one standard SDHC slots, creating the potential for 16/32GB internal + 32GB uSD + 32GB SD = up to 96GB storage for a total of around $400 (less if you have the cards on hand), which is pretty massive by tablet standards.
As has been said, though, tablets and the mobile OSes they run are better optimized for cloud computing than managing substantial quantities of files locally.
ETA: honestly, if this thing materializes and reports on performance and screen quality are positive, I may consider it as a trade up from my NC.
I love my NC. My son does too, but he wants to get a full sized tablet. His budget is $300. Anyone have some experience with some of the older tablets that you can purchase refurbished in this range? Any help would be great.
Wait for NEXUS 7 at Google IO
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Get the Nexus 7. I love my Nook Color but sadly it's Specs have officially been labeled outdated by the Nexus 7. For $200/250 You get a Quad-Core CPU, 12core GPU, 8/16gb of Storage, 1gb RAM, WiFi, Bluetooth(With an actual Antenna), NFC, $25 Google Play credit, Tons of Preloaded Apps, Android 4.1 Jellybean. The list is just pure beauty. If you have $200 to burn then this is THE Tablet to get now. Amazon and B&N just got one-upped Big Time. Nexus 7 ships Mid-July and is available for PreOrder from the Google Play store: HERE
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I love my NC. My son does too, but he wants to get a full sized tablet. His budget is $300. Anyone have some experience with some of the older tablets that you can purchase refurbished in this range? Any help would be great.
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Well, you said full-size. There is the (discontinued) TouchPad, which is 10" or so, and you can get those pretty cheap.
They run CM9 pretty well, I have to say. (full disclosure: I helped port it). My big issue with the touchpad is I'm not a fan of the size, and it's a little thick/heavy.
If by full size, you mean a 10.1" tablet, then your options are very limited. The really good 10inch tablets start at about $350 (the 16GB Asus TF300 can be had for a twenty bucks more than that).
Alternatively, if you're not looking for something cutting edge, then there are plenty of refurbished last-year models going around for less than $300. Acer is selling refurbished A500 units for as little as $229 on its eBay store, and if you keep an eye open on sites like techbargains.com for similar deals that come and go.
(Refurbished might be a bit of a gamble, but it's paid off handsomely for me in the past -- bought my Nook Color that way too. Buying direct from the manufacturer helps though. Just make sure they really are refurbished and not "pre-owned".)
Finally (at the risk of raising the ire of the Android gods, you can also get a refurbished iPad 2 for $319 from Apple, which isn't a bad price either.
But if you could stretch a little beyond $300, and want something new, then I think the Asus TF300 is probably your best bet at the moment. There might be some downward pressure on 10-inch prices with the introduction of the HD models (the Acer A700 is only $450, which is the same price as the lower-def A510, so that has to drop) but I haven't seen anything yet.
I would definitely go with the Nexus 7. I planned on selling my Nook and HP Touchpad to get one.
Nexus 7 would be stunning if Google included a mSD slot. Looks gr8 as is, not stunning though.
Which one would you prefer, the nexus 7 or a galaxy tab plus 16gb wifi only? The last ones are at $237.90 refurbished at amazon. The GT+ will receive a software upgrade, so the only differences will be the ir blaster, back camera, sd slot, screen resolution, NFC (don't know what it is ) and the chipset. Which one would you prefer?
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umm...Nexus 7...
quad core Tegra 3 processor, 12 core GPU, NFC (wireless data transfer that is more secure than bluetooth) and a whole bunch more goodies...
plus it comes with 4.1 installed...
all at a low low price of $199...
can't beat it
Several sources say Google doesn't take any margin on the product, so you are basically paying the manufacturer price for the Nexus 7 (and any required warranty by law). There won't be anyone beating that for a while.
Oh, and it weighs the same as the Nook Color/Tablet
The only bummer I see is that adobe flash won't be officially supported (if I didn't misunderstood), but since the N7 may be the next developers tab I think it will be somehow updated by devs.
The lack of sd slot almost made me not to be interested on it but when I reviewed the GT+ vs Transformer Prime reviews and benchmarks I got convinced, the Prime is just to fast. If I get the N7 I will buy the 16gb version, 8gb it's just to little (like the Nook Color's memory).
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I've attached a screenshot of a page from the nexus 7 guide stating that the nexus 7 is the Asus pad me370t. So, what do you guys make of this?
The Verge actually investigated this quite a bit:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
Wow, I am very very shocked and disappointed this. I've been looking forward to the actual MeMO 370T device since it was first seen back in January. For some reason I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
>I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
A great deal of fuss was made over Microsoft Surface "killing" Windows HW vendors, and curiously, almost nothing about the Nexus 7 doing the same. The irony is that Surface will have minimal impact, while N7 will almost certainly kill off any 7" Android tab this year.
Not only does N7 hit the magic $200 point, it has good hardware, official support, and 4.1. There is no way any 7" tab can match that. The only possible competitor would be if Apple does the rumored 7" mini iPad at $250-300.
I'm wondering what Amazon's move will be, as per the above I don't see how a 7" KF2 can compete. My projection is that it will cede the 7" space, and upping the KF2 to the 8" or 9" size, say, for $250. The orig KF stays on, but lowered to $150.
7" is good for reading, but poor for video playback. Since video consumption is vastly more popular than e-reading, an 8" or 9" would be a step forward. It would be better for video, and still be suitable for one-hand use.
Ditto for Nook, although if MS' investment in B&N is any indication, we'll probably see a Nook powered by WinRT this year.
I thought I had read reports of Asus releasing their own 7 inch tablet in August that undercut the 8GB N7 by about $20. Still, this isn't really what I was hoping for if it comes to be.
It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
Well I'm sure the HDMI out being removed had a lot more to do with the Q
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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I'm not saying it's a solution, I'm explaining why they left out the mini HDMI port.
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It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Well not exactly almost like the MeMO. I believe it also had an 8MP rear facing camera. Probably had a MicroSD slot, too, but I'm not positive on that. At any rate, I'd gladly throw in an extra $50 or so for the original MeMO 370T. I probably won't be buying the N7.
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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You pay for a HDMI license which is $10k per annum, which it's fairly likely both Google (via Motorola) and ASUS already have anyway. Each HDMI port has a royalty as well, which is 4 cents. Plus the cost of the connector itself. The HDCP license is half a cent per device.
The rest of the existing components should be able to handle HDMI anyway, Tegra 3 has it as a standard.
Can't help but be negative about this. It's not just the $250 memo, but the $250 memo--.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27733-nexus-7-is-crippled-asus-370t-but-not-much-cheaper
The story, if I put 2+2 correctly, is that google really wanted that $199 pricetag, in effect forcing asus to redesign a bunch of stuff with lower-end components. In the end, they couldn't (or wouldn't) even get back to something as good as the original for $250.
Like what was stated in a comment on the site, just because they planned to release the memo with all those extras for $249 doesn't mean that would be the ultimate price. I paid 280 or whatever for the 16 gb model and I wish it had an sd, hdmi, and stereo but still an amazing deal for 250 (16gb). Plus would it be first with jb? Software more than anything makes these devices.
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Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
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Google are making no profit (on the 8GB model at US prices) but that doesn't mean it's being sold at cost.
ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179? If that's true, I wonder what hardware reductions are even possible to make?
Also, if a new Asus tablet was to be released in August, we'd probably be seeing an FCC submission sometime soon, right?
well that is disappointing..seems like google killed another decent asus product, since the original memo 370t was gonna have 8mega pixel cam, 16gb storage micro sd slot and everything nexus tab has for 250..
>ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
Monetary compensation is a subset. The human networking alone would be valuable, not to mention the experience gained from working hand-in-hand with Google engineers. One thing that's lacking for all HW vendors is development expertise, and I assume Asus is getting plenty of that. Then, there's the PR value of being a Google partner. So, many perks aside from money.
A large cost of a device is for marketing (distribution, promotion). Aside from a few small retailers, N7 distribution looks to be limited to the Play store for now, and there probably won't be much advertising until close to fall shopping. So, yes, I imagine the N7's $200 price can be pretty close to cost. We'll have a better idea once the iSuppli folks do a BOM analysis.
Compare against upcoming Acer A110: Same $200 (8GB) and Kai innards, but smaller battery (3420 vs 4325 mAh), lower res (1024x600) and lower quality (TN LCD) display. ICS rather than JB, and no Google updates. It's clearly an inferior device to the N7. I doubt Asus can sell a better tablet than Acer at the same cost w/o slicing its margin to the bone.
It's not just the low-end, N7 dominates the mid-range and high-end for 7" as well. There is no current or announced 7"-ish tablet that can compete with N7 on either features or bang/buck. It's the only tablet to have 4.1. The only place it doesn't go is the carrier market.
From the above, I don't see a 10" Nexus happening. That would kill off the rest of the Android vendors.
>So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
It doesn't matter who's selling the N7 or what its origins are. What matters is whether other vendors can compete against it. I don't think they can, including Amazon. As said, I think Amazon will go with an 8 or 9" for $250, and drop the KF to $150.
A 9" KF2 at $250, or an iPad mini at $300, would be serious competition for N7.
>Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179?
DigiTimes says a lot of things, a few of which become true, and the rest goes into the circular file. For a workable rule of which DigiTimes rumor becomes fact, try this: Assign a 3% cumulative probability for each successive rumor. So, if DigiTimes has 20 different rumors over time about an particular event, you get a 60% probability of the event becoming true.
The "cheaper Asus 7-inch tablet" rumor is the first one out of the pipe.
Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/google_nexus7_rumors_persist/
Well what do we think?
Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.
A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.
I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.
I'm happy enough for my current N7
We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
With cortex a8 and adreno 200...
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
gianptune said:
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7
Adinaky said:
I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!
Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..
99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?
all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow
Anyone have any idea about what the consumer cost will be once it is ready to come out to the public? Just wanted to start this discussion so we can speculate, etc. I have heard far under $1500.00 but who really knows right? The fact that it does not have a built in date module should help, but like any technology it won't be cheap. What do you all think?
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Anyone have any idea about what the consumer cost will be once it is ready to come out to the public? Just wanted to start this discussion so we can speculate, etc. I have heard far under $1500.00 but who really knows right? The fact that it does not have a built in date module should help, but like any technology it won't be cheap. What do you all think?
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yeah i doubt that it will be the same price as the prototype they are selling to devs right now. So I'm guessing, it'll be between $500-$700, considering that in the past google likes to have much better prices compared to their competitors. (ex: Nexus 4 vs iPhone5).
I've also heard rumors of apple creating some sort of watch (which i'm predicting will be googles main competing product with the glasses), so the price of google glasses will probably be a bit less than those.
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yeah i doubt that it will be the same price as the prototype they are selling to devs right now. So I'm guessing, it'll be between $500-$700, considering that in the past google likes to have much better prices compared to their competitors. (ex: Nexus 4 vs iPhone5).
I've also heard rumors of apple creating some sort of watch (which i'm predicting will be googles main competing product with the glasses), so the price of google glasses will probably be a bit less than those.
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But i don't think they are really in the same competitive field as each other, one is kinda a watch to look at time and maybe some sort of video call on your wrist, whilst the other kinda adds an interface to life. they are too different.
besides knowing apple, and apple will be apple, their watch will be "revolutionary" and will cost like a gazillion dollars.
It's kinda really hard to estimate the price on the glasses,
but i know i can't wait to get a pair!
Will be exciting when we have tons of people walking around the the glasses on. I guess I will have to switch back to contacts as they don't look like they will fit over my current glasses.
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Will be exciting when we have tons of people walking around the the glasses on. I guess I will have to switch back to contacts as they don't look like they will fit over my current glasses.
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When they are eventually available to consumers you'll probably be ready for new glasses anyway.
I can't see it being this $500+ everyone is predicting. It will most likely have only a single core CPU, 256-512mb ram, limited GPU, and lacking the cost of a large glass display. I see it being more around $150-$250
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Yeah in guessing in the $150-$300ish range.
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I don't know. I think the technology itself will drive it to the $500-$700 range. I will definitely buy it is it's $150-$300. But if it's any higher I'd have to see some user reviews. The videos look great but I want some testimonials.
The irony will not be lost on me that I just had LASIK performed two years ago to escape these things...
Its a new thing. I think it will start at $800. But when the crappy chinese companys start building it, it will go down extremly fast. Thats what also happend with touchscreen smarthpones.
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I do not remember where I read it - consumer version will cost about 1000.
Are you kidding me? This is Google we are talking about here, I'd bet it would have at minimum a 1.2 gigahertz dual core and a gig of ram. This still could be really cheap, but they have to decide how expensive they want it to be. I'm buying no matter what the price is.
"1.2 gigahertz dual core and a gig of ram"?
Why to use such processor and RAM, if Glass will be only additional device to a smartphone.
It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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I don't think the material will be cheaper. The prototype is expensive, because it is a prototype, which generally tend to be expensive. However, when mass produced, they will really come down. I have a hunch that Google is looking for people who will really put Glass to the test, hence they are asking for what you will do with it. Who knows, there could be reward of some kind for the testers.
Besides, I don't think Google will sell the metal band with all models. They are in process of talking to some sun-glass manufacturers and if all goes well, you will be looking at Ray Ban and such frames, capable of mounting the actual Glass hardware on. In addition, you will also be able to attach any prescription glasses on these.
This will mostly be an add on device to your phone. Like the Sony smartwatch and stuff. It will have some computing happening in it, but the majority will be offloaded to your phone (like the smartwatch). So, like touch-and-pair, then go everywhere. Glass does have WiFi for standalone operations, but no cellular chip, so it has to be tethered to your phone. Hence, calling and stuff will be routed through your phone instead of direct communication. WiFi also means that as long as your phone and Glass share the same WiFi, they can connect to each other, no matter the distance.
Kartik.
There is a device available now that has almost all of the required components, called the Recon Mod Live. It's a snap-in hmd for ski goggles that retails for $399. It has the optics to use the tiny screen, Bluetooth to talk to a phone, onboard gps, and a pretty decent battery. It even has an SDK for writing your own apps. The only thing it's missing is a camera. It's also quite ugly, as it's not intended to be seen on it's own. It hides completely inside the goggles. I think it's a very good product for price comparison. I would not be surprised to see Google glasses come in around $400-500.
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It won't cost no more than a smart phone. Google are known for there cheap prices and quality. They will use cheaper material than the 1500 glasses and cut cost. If it cost a lot the price will drop because they won't sell enough units to make a profit.
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It's not about the profit. Google wants Glass to be popular, just like Android.
One way to increase the popularity of a product is to sell it at a low price, just like they did with the Nexus 7 or the Nexus 4.
300 dollars would be a decent price.
True words - unfortunately.
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When they are eventually available to consumers you'll probably be ready for new glasses anyway.
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omg
that is too costly.. i mean 500$ is damn too high.. you can almost buy 2 iphone in that price
For me it must be the same price as Wear. Because it is functionally the same.
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For me it must be the same price as Wear. Because it is functionally the same.
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Completely agree. Functionality wise, I do not see the difference minus a minor convenience to not look down at your hand