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I love my NC. My son does too, but he wants to get a full sized tablet. His budget is $300. Anyone have some experience with some of the older tablets that you can purchase refurbished in this range? Any help would be great.
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Hoser88 said:
I love my NC. My son does too, but he wants to get a full sized tablet. His budget is $300. Anyone have some experience with some of the older tablets that you can purchase refurbished in this range? Any help would be great.
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Well, you said full-size. There is the (discontinued) TouchPad, which is 10" or so, and you can get those pretty cheap.
They run CM9 pretty well, I have to say. (full disclosure: I helped port it). My big issue with the touchpad is I'm not a fan of the size, and it's a little thick/heavy.
If by full size, you mean a 10.1" tablet, then your options are very limited. The really good 10inch tablets start at about $350 (the 16GB Asus TF300 can be had for a twenty bucks more than that).
Alternatively, if you're not looking for something cutting edge, then there are plenty of refurbished last-year models going around for less than $300. Acer is selling refurbished A500 units for as little as $229 on its eBay store, and if you keep an eye open on sites like techbargains.com for similar deals that come and go.
(Refurbished might be a bit of a gamble, but it's paid off handsomely for me in the past -- bought my Nook Color that way too. Buying direct from the manufacturer helps though. Just make sure they really are refurbished and not "pre-owned".)
Finally (at the risk of raising the ire of the Android gods, you can also get a refurbished iPad 2 for $319 from Apple, which isn't a bad price either.
But if you could stretch a little beyond $300, and want something new, then I think the Asus TF300 is probably your best bet at the moment. There might be some downward pressure on 10-inch prices with the introduction of the HD models (the Acer A700 is only $450, which is the same price as the lower-def A510, so that has to drop) but I haven't seen anything yet.
I would definitely go with the Nexus 7. I planned on selling my Nook and HP Touchpad to get one.
Nexus 7 would be stunning if Google included a mSD slot. Looks gr8 as is, not stunning though.
Which one would you prefer, the nexus 7 or a galaxy tab plus 16gb wifi only? The last ones are at $237.90 refurbished at amazon. The GT+ will receive a software upgrade, so the only differences will be the ir blaster, back camera, sd slot, screen resolution, NFC (don't know what it is ) and the chipset. Which one would you prefer?
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umm...Nexus 7...
quad core Tegra 3 processor, 12 core GPU, NFC (wireless data transfer that is more secure than bluetooth) and a whole bunch more goodies...
plus it comes with 4.1 installed...
all at a low low price of $199...
can't beat it
Several sources say Google doesn't take any margin on the product, so you are basically paying the manufacturer price for the Nexus 7 (and any required warranty by law). There won't be anyone beating that for a while.
Oh, and it weighs the same as the Nook Color/Tablet
The only bummer I see is that adobe flash won't be officially supported (if I didn't misunderstood), but since the N7 may be the next developers tab I think it will be somehow updated by devs.
The lack of sd slot almost made me not to be interested on it but when I reviewed the GT+ vs Transformer Prime reviews and benchmarks I got convinced, the Prime is just to fast. If I get the N7 I will buy the 16gb version, 8gb it's just to little (like the Nook Color's memory).
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Final answer to all the people wondering about profit margins. What I'm wondering is, how would they work this out? Doesnt the cost price for the component depend on the order amount. They would have to know Asus's and Google's production numbers to find a more accurate figure, no?
http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-7-production-costs-estimated-at-184-06237492/
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/google-nexus-7-teardown/
Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
suchavibrantthang said:
Google's not making anything, Asus makes whatever profit. Google just put their name in for marketing the best priced tablet.
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I thought everyone knew this already.
then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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then what's the purpose of a new thread? trying to sort out their numbers and overhead?
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Dont know you tell me? This is the Nexus 7 general forum, isn't it?
What I want? Your opinion on the matter would be a good start.
ASUS is certainly profiting more off the 16GB model.
8GB Nexus 7 cost: $184.
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16GB Nexus7 cost: $190.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors. As that's something Apple/Amazon can do, to NOT o the same will reduce their ability to compete somewhat. It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
Production cost isn't fixed, but pegged to volume (aka economy of scale). Assuming N7 sells well, this will go down. Component costs also drop over time. KF est BOM cost was $200'ish in Nov last year, now it's $150'ish.
http://google.com/search?q=kindle+fire+bom+cost
The thin margin is why the 8GB SKU is only sold through Play. The 16GB SKU's larger margin allows retailers to take their cut.
Some think that lack of SD slot is a cost-saving decision. But the one thing that cheapo China tabs have is plenty of ports, even full-sized USB. Per above, it's obvious to say that lack of SD is to encourage sales of the higher-end SKU, as else folks will just get the base model + 32GB microSD.
Realistically, the majority of sales will be for the $250 16GB SKU, allowing Goog to make a nominal profit (although I doubt HW profit is Goog's main concern). The 8GB's $200 mark is good for advertising, but is more of a lowballed price.
>I can see eventually Google offering % cuts of the advertising/media sales to the device vendors... It'd be a good carrot to dangle to the vendors too.
I was pondering this same possibility. The rising "app store" model really shoves HW vendors into second-class status. They bear the costs of device manufacturing and marketing, and yet only makes pennies while the platform owner and ISVs make all the big bucks. Some thing will need to give.
Pragmatically, I don't see the above notion happening any time soon, mainly because the ecosystem owners don't have to. There will need to be some trend or sign of rebellion from HW vendors. But the flip side to this is that it will only encourage the eco-owners (MS, Google, Amazon) to roll their own devices, which they are already wont to do.
Methinks many strategists in HW-only vendors are scratching their heads right now, trying to plan a workaround for a content-first market.
Sound analysis, emote.
Assuming they're using up-front component costs, I would treat their estimate as an upper bound. They're making at least $15/unit, more if economies of scale kick in. And probably vastly more on the more popular 16gb version.
Assuming the report about Asus keeping all the profits is accurate, I'd say Asus got a good deal here. The Nexus branding means they'll sell like hotcakes, for hardware inferior to their original me3o. Sounds kinda like a certain fruity company we all know of.
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8GB Nexus 7 cost: $184.
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To be clear, I'm just making a joke... but still, $50 for 8GB of flash?
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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lol now I can sleep at night....
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It's better than what apple charges lol
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Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
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Per MB it's actually the same Apple does 16 -> 32 for $100.
But great teardown, much better than iFixit. Btw anyone noticed this?
ELAN Microelectronics eKTF3624BWS – Controller for Resistive Touchscreen
ELAN Microelectronics eKTH1036BWS – Controller for the Resistive Touchscreen
Resistive touchscreen? Please tell me this is wrong. I'm really hoping for capacitative.
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That's has to be a typo, it is definitely 100% capacitive. And I guess I was thinking of back in the day with older iPod touches where it was a $100 difference between 8 and 16GB models
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It also says 2GB ram. Definetly some errors there.
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iSuppli: 8GB N7 BOM cost = $152, 16GB N7 BOM cost = $160
http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/
This is good news. It means that other companies can also build a similar 7"--hopefully w/ HDMI and SD slot--and sell it for same price ($250 for 16GB) and still make money. Google upped the ante, but didn't kill off the 7" market. Hopefully there'll be more entrants other than the KF2, since most likely it won't have a SD slot either.
Interesting tidbit: N7 800x1280 IPS display cost = $38, Fire 600x1024 IPS display cost = $35. It only costs $3 more for the high-res display. That means we'll probably see many other 7" going hi-res in the near future. Maybe 10" as well?
How can something that's estimated be final?
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Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/google_nexus7_rumors_persist/
Well what do we think?
Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.
A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.
I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.
I'm happy enough for my current N7
We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
With cortex a8 and adreno 200...
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!
Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..
99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?
all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow
just ordered my first nexus phone. iPhone sold on amazon so there is no turning back for me. did not like the g2 being expensive and big. this phone is slightly smaller so i think ill like it more especially without that power button on the back lmao. but one think that won't let me sleep tonight is the low battery and the crappy camera shots taken and posted online already.
if they charged you 100$ more would you of liked to see a 12mp camera like on the xperia z1 and the g2's battery ? or is it fine the way it is at the moment because of the low price ?
besides this phone the only other catching my attention is the Z1s, which is a 4.3 screen so its perfect between the iPhone and a bigger phone like this but most importantly its waterproof and i work in the pool industry as well as having expandable memory via micro sd .... if i don't like the nexus 5 whats the return process like in the google play store and does anyone know any other alternatives besides the Z1s form sony xperia ?
Yes I would have been willing to pay maybe $450 for 3000mah battery. The camera shots I've seen so far seem to be pretty adequate/much improved over N4
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I agree, I'd pay more if it had a bigger battery but not 50 dollars more, maybe 30 but 50 is pushing it a bit for me just for a battery upgrade. As for the camera, as long as they improved it over the N4 I'll be happy.
The Nexus 4 battery has not been a problem for me, so maybe not.
More mehapixels does not mean better pictures, just putting that out there. That being said I wouldn't mind an extra millimeter to depth for a bigger battery, and maybe a little higher price.
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I'll wait to judge the battery when I receive the phone. Camera seems adequate to me. I would pay for a micro sim slot though. 50 bucks for a micro slim? No problem.
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I'll wait to judge the battery when I receive the phone. Camera seems adequate to me. I would pay for a micro sim slot though. 50 bucks for a micro slim? No problem.
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It already has a micro sim, but id pay extra for a Micro SD slot
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It already has a micro sim, but id pay extra for a Micro SD slot
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LOL, that's what I was thinking of!
Yes. I'm willing to pay like $549 or even $599 if you give me a true flagship.
But knowing the N5's price, I'd say at $599 I'd better be getting 64gb of storage too, maybe a 2MP front camera would be nice too at that point. 1080p right?
Sure, I'd pay more for that. Main attraction of the Nexus range is the developer support, openness, fast updates, pure android, not the price.
Nexus will never be the best of the best. If it was top of the line in every spec, why would you go for any other phone? The nexus would kill all android competition because it would guarantee fast updates along with the best specs. For the sake of android and not screwing other manufacturers, it keeps the competition going but gives a nice price and fast software updates to make up for what it lacks.
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You don't need a better battery, did you see the battery improvements Google made yesterday? All audio processing goes go the dsp to save battery, 4G radios are much more efficient than the G2 or note 3. Things like wifi and 4G are more often in a low powered state. So I reckon battery life should be a beast.
And the camera is perfectly adequate with true HDR
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More mehapixels does not mean better pictures, just putting that out there. That being said I wouldn't mind an extra millimeter to depth for a bigger battery, and maybe a little higher price.
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And a larger sensor on xperia Z1 mean better picture . And it is better .
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You don't need a better battery, did you see the battery improvements Google made yesterday? All audio processing goes go the dsp to save battery, 4G radios are much more efficient than the G2 or note 3. Things like wifi and 4G are more often in a low powered state. So I reckon battery life should be a beast.
And the camera is perfectly adequate with true HDR
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Where can i read that information ? Source please
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Yes I want to know the same thing.. Please provide the source of your information.. Thanks
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I was willing to pay 450 euros for a 32 gb+ 3000 mah version :crying: not more than that, hey the LG G2 costs 466 euros (the 16 gb version) so it shouldnt be more expensive than that ... I traded a 3000 mah battery (MAJOR thing for me) and a good camera for stock android (most important thing to me) a matte finish, buttons on the sides, hopeit's worth it google
I'd pay more if they offer me :
1. 3000+ mah battery
2. dual stereo front facing speaker like htc one series
3. micro sd slot
4. maybe slightly more screen size, about 5.3 inch perhaps?
if only nexus 5 have those 4, that will be the most perfect phone this year.
I'd definitely pay more for battery and storage options. I did the math and the manufacturing cost difference between G2 and N5 can't be more than 5 euro!
So yes I'd pay 100 euro on top of 32GB version for a 64 gb version with a bigger battery.
If kitkat will be better in power management, the improvement will apply to a 3,000mAh battery as well!!
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For me it's just fine.
I only don't mind to pay until 50€ more so that I could buy it directly from Play Store with no need to use tricks like proxys and forward services.
The General sections on XDA are for tips/tricks/guides/howtos/news or some sort of actual content relevant to the Nexus 5 . Hypothetical situations, opinions, etc don't really belong here.
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If you walked into a mobile store. You looked at a phone with top of the line specs and build quality priced at $650. Than you saw another one with virtually the same specs. Arguably better build quality and it was a Nexus device for the same price. Would you still go for the nexus assuming that the only thing that has changed is price and hardware quality for the nexus. Still updates first. Still vanilla android still a Dev phone. Would you pay more for a better built nexus? Imagine if the HTC one was not HTC at all. If it said nexus on it and was treated like a nexus. Would you pay up?
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coming from someone that doesn't agree with 2 year contracts. i would only pay this much if i had to. i would be happy with the nexus 5 for 2 or 3 years, maybe even longer if my only other option was a 650 dollar upgrade
Maybe if Nexus had bigger battery, at least 32gb(t mobile only carries 16gb) or had a SD card. Other wise not likely would probably go HTC, LG or Sony if they get rid of the stupid amount of wasted space that could be a screen. Seriously their 5 inch screen(no longer considered a phablet in 2014) is about the same size as the note...
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