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Amzer Neoprene Sleeve

Hey everyone!
I know there have been other threads about cheap neoprene sleeves, and pouches, but I have found an interesting neoprene sleeve.
It is made by Amzer, and has a very unique feature that I have not seen in any other neoprene sleeves.
Here are some pictures:
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Notice on the right that there is actually an extra layer INSIDE the pouch.
It sells for $19.95 USD, plus shipping costs depending on your region.
Here is a video on the sleeve:
EDIT: Thanks to Sqaures, here is a short review of the sleeve:
For those who are interested in ordering, you can check it out on their official site HERE
It is also available on Amazon. LINK: Canada, US, or UK
EDIT: Thanks to KryptosXLayer2, people who live in the US can get it HERE for a much cheaper price.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to get my hands on one of these for my Nexus 7 , but hopefully will be able to get one soon :good:.
Just wanted to share my findings , also if anyone has found a similar and cheaper product please share! I have been looking desperately haha.

hi!
Thanks very much! I think i've settled on wanting pouch now after nearly every case is leather style!!

You are very welcome , glad I could help! What type of leather cases have you tried so far?

I've not bought any but i've seen a couple and i just find the leather look dated! plus some of the designs add too much bulk imo!
I was hoping for more of an iPad smart cover look but i suspect Asus and Google didn't fancy a law suit!

Yea, I have done my fair share of searching. I just want something to protect my tablet on the go, a pouch is great for that. No zippers, metal/rough edges, just neoprene .

Just ordered it. should get it next week!

Look forward to the review, the dimensions look tight!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Arrived today!
This pouch is great, has space of accessories (e.g. my OTG cable and headphones) and it fits really well.
the flap at the top is a bit tight to undo as you have to turn it inside out but that will loosen up over time. overall i'm pretty impressed, hopefully the images i've attached will be of some use
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

bewA said:
Arrived today!
This pouch is great, has space of accessories (e.g. my OTG cable and headphones) and it fits really well.
the flap at the top is a bit tight to undo as you have to turn it inside out but that will loosen up over time. overall i'm pretty impressed, hopefully the images i've attached will be of some use
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Thank is awesome! You pictures look great, and I have yet to order it, but hopefully soon haha. I'm very paranoid about online shopping haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqTPAaxo88A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Here's a good video of the case.
I bought this case as well, though i have yet to receive it.
Sent from my Nexus 7

O29C said:
Thank is awesome! You pictures look great, and I have yet to order it, but hopefully soon haha. I'm very paranoid about online shopping haha.
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Buying from Amazon doesn't get much safer!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

got mine today, looks great, i hope it will endure the foldings you have to do to open/close it.

I've got a Cruzerlite case on mine and wondered how easy it would be to insert / remove from a neoprene case - anyone have any experience with a case? I like this one, but saw some really cheapy ones similar to it on eBay for A DOLLAR, SHIPPED:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neoprene-Sl...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4169968faa
What makes this worth $20 compared to the dollar neoprene case? I'm not being harsh, there were people on the Cruzerlite thread saying the same thing about $5 TPU cases and the Cruzerlite not being worth $20, but I liked the Android Clone Army on it, okay, so there.... Just want to know why I should go with this before I spend the money, I like the second pouch on the inside, but if you're not planning on bringing cables with you, is it worth it?
EDIT - also found this one on eBay for $17.57 shipped currently:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amzer-Neopr...536299?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item33799b0bab

@KryptosXLayer2:
Great find on eBay for people who live in the US, I'll update the original post.
As for the reason that this sleeve is different from other cheap ones, as mentioned in the first post: The sleeve has an extra layer on the inside to store accessories.
Cables, headphones, OTG cables, memory cards, etc...
I would definitely buy other cheaper ones if there were any out there. But it is the only one I found with such a feature. Just thought I'd share .

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@KryptosXLayer2:
Great find on eBay for people who live in the US, I'll update the original post.
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Oops, just bought the last one.... Was going to buy two of them since I just got my girl her own N7, but I got her a cheap one I found on Amazon instead:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008G3MHEK/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

I bought a neoprene case off of amazon for 5 bucks. Works good.

Got a cheap neoprene sleeve off of fleabay £1.50 inc delivery.
Sent from my Nexus 7

Tried and returned...
Just too tight to get pocket flap back over N7.
I worried either screen would crack or sleeve would tear - it was that tight.
Looking for top zippered sleeve, suede a plus...

tshephard said:
Just too tight to get pocket flap back over N7.
I worried either screen would crack or sleeve would tear - it was that tight.
Looking for top zippered sleeve, suede a plus...
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It is definitely NOT that tight.... I have a TPU style case on mine and it isn't nearly tight enough for me to be worried about cracking screens or tearing the neoprene case - no need to worry, you aren't buying from some cheapy manufacturer, if something tore on it, I'm certain Amzer would replace it

Mine definitely WAS that tight - tired pulling it different ways, setting device in front of or back of seams, etc - tried pulling on angle cuts, pushing in depth first, etc - mine was TOO tight after many tries, sent back.

Interesting new Slim Case design

Haven't seen a thread on this yet, so here is another Nexus 7 slim case on Ebay.
It is different from the other Ebay Apple-like case.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Google-Nexu...Accessories&hash=item23212d5c16#ht_884wt_1041
The front looks quite slick.
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Price at 19.99 is a bit steeper than other Ebay cases,
and its pictures do not show if we can fold the cover all the way back or if it's a Smart cover or not.
But I like its look, probably will wait to see other sellers posting the same one with more pictures and detailed description.

To be honest, that does look like one of the better looking cases on eBay. If you guys want, I can take it for the tram and review it when I get it? Hopefully by the end of this week.

It's the case I've been holding out for..... looks like the perfect case IMHO :beer::beer:
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I'm waiting for someone to get this and see what they say about it

Ordered
Although it does say that it will require 7-14 days for delivery, ill post the review as soon i get it.

Ugh... from china. Everything I've ordered on ebay from china is happy meal toy quality. Hopefully this case is the exception.

Looks nice minus the hump.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

Also, in case if you guys were wondering, this isn't leather.
Its "Pu Leather" which is short for poly synthetic leather. As in, its a cheap less durable leather covering some piece of cardboard or something.
In fact, some countries like New Zeland and UK have banned the sale or use of "leather" for products with this type.
But I'll update you guys once I get this case.

theomni said:
Ordered
Although it does say that it will require 7-14 days for delivery, ill post the review as soon i get it.
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Superb! Thanks for doing this :good:

theomni said:
Also, in case if you guys were wondering, this isn't leather.
Its "Pu Leather" which is short for poly synthetic leather. As in, its a cheap less durable leather covering some piece of cardboard or something.
In fact, some countries like New Zeland and UK have banned the sale or use of "leather" for products with this type.
But I'll update you guys once I get this case.
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haha, ****, I live in New Zealand and I didn't even know this
Looks like a really nice case, but after reading this I might keep waiting... Waiting for a perfect slim case to be released before I buy one!

I bought one too, I'll take some pics when I get it in as well. I'll probably get this one from China before I get my darn Portenzo case lol.

I ordered one of these about a week ago, still waiting on delivery but will post my views on it when it arrives.

It looks like it arrived at the San Francisco post office, which is only 50 miles away so I may get my case tomorrow. If I do I'll post pics and my impression :good:

Interesting case, looking forward to your review.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium HD app

To bad this case is not a Smart cover case that wakes the screen by it self :/
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Description
This Slim Smart case is for Google Nexus 7 .
Magnetic flap enclosure（Without Sleep/Wake Up function）
100% above pictures from entity .
100% new and high quality .
Unique, ingenious and fitted design with outer Polyurethane material
Different stand angles for easy typing or comfortable watching
Protect your Google nexus 7 from dust, damage, scratches and particles
Cut desigened to ensure access of all Google Nexus 7" Tablet ports, bottons, cameras and speakers
Otherwise i love it someone had the chance to try it? would love to know if it is a "must buy". i'm getting my nexus 7 this week so i'm in dire need of good case.

I think it's nice

Wondering if anyone with this case can answer if the front flap folds all the way behind to hold the tablet in one hand?
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kam14132 said:
Wondering if anyone with this case can answer if the front flap folds all the way behind to hold the tablet in one hand?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
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Yes
Check out this review with pics.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1864770

xthaox said:
Yes
Check out this review with pics.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1864770
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I like it! Its maybe time to put in a order and hope u don't get scammed

Is this the perfect case? Slim, bezel-free & not pleather

I have been having a look on Alibaba to see what manufacturers are coming up with and I stumbled across this http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/625190932/Google_nexus_7_case_leather_case.html.
They seem to have got it spot on. Sadly I can't find any stockists yet on ebay or amazon.
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Oh I like this style, reply if you find a place to purchase!

bencallis said:
I have been having a look on Alibaba to see what manufacturers are coming up with and I stumbled across this http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/625190932/Google_nexus_7_case_leather_case.html.
They seem to have got it spot on. Sadly I can't find any stockists yet on ebay or amazon.
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It was already proposed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31250411&postcount=12
along with a similar one but the problem is that you need to buy at least 100 ... wholesale manufacturer
I asked the manufacturer (one week ago) if the cover properly fold all the way back, and if the auto sleep/wake function is triggered when the cover is fold back. still waiting for the answer. I also asked the ebay seller US Mobile Mall if they were interested in selling them, but no answer ...
Speaking of similar cases from alibaba wholesale seller I also found:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/603508835/LEATHER_CASE_for_GOOGLE_NEXUS_7.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/624912357/luxury_smart_standing_PU_leather_case.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/618145751/PU_Leather_Stand_Case_Smart_Cover.html
Well so I kept searching and finally found those two cases that share the same properties (and can be bought at one by one):
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Canv...r-fresh-style-folding-skin-new/620802927.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smar...-ultra-thin-skin-free-shipping/620851791.html
The last one look awesome! It is slightly expensive but it seems to worth it. I would love to see a review and more pictures of that case.

Cool lookin! I wouldn't mind getting this one as a backup.
I couldn't find anywhere that sells them either.

NicoGa said:
It was already proposed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31250411&postcount=12
along with a similar one but the problem is that you need to buy at least 100 ... wholesale manufacturer
I asked the manufacturer (one week ago) if the cover properly fold all the way back, and if the auto sleep/wake function is triggered when the cover is fold back. still waiting for the answer. I also asked the ebay seller US Mobile Mall if they were interested in selling them, but no answer ...
Speaking of similar cases from alibaba wholesale seller I also found:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/603508835/LEATHER_CASE_for_GOOGLE_NEXUS_7.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/624912357/luxury_smart_standing_PU_leather_case.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/618145751/PU_Leather_Stand_Case_Smart_Cover.html
Well so I kept searching and finally found those two cases that share the same properties (and can be bought at one by one):
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Canv...r-fresh-style-folding-skin-new/620802927.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smar...-ultra-thin-skin-free-shipping/620851791.html
The last one look awesome! It is slightly expensive but it seems to worth it. I would love to see a review and more pictures of that case.
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This is the best case yet and you only need to buy 20 cases. Its too bad I can't get a sample cuz Id definately buy 20 cases and sell them on Ebay if I knew that they were atleast the quality of those Blurex/Moko/IBlason Slim Folio Cases.

NicoGa said:
Well so I kept searching and finally found those two cases that share the same properties (and can be bought at one by one):
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The last one look awesome! It is slightly expensive but it seems to worth it. I would love to see a review and more pictures of that case.
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While I really like the originally posted case, that second-last one that you posted, NicoGa (canvas-style), is a dream case for me. I was looking for something softer, but most cases are either black/white leather or hot colours, so that very pretty case you found is perfect for me! Thanks a lot. I will order one and see how it works out.
That last case is also very nice, I like the gold colour a lot.

I prefer the official Asus Nexus Travel Cover to this.

Any news on that case? Anyone found it on ebay yet?

IT's not leather, it's FAKE!!!
Darn,
Just like some other vendors from the east, this one is also advertised all over as leather until you dig way down into the specifications.
Item name Google nexus 7 case, leather case for google nexus 7
Item number ST-GN7-CA018B
Materials PU
PU stands for.... drum roll please....... Poly Synthetic Leather. There's not even an atom of cow hide in that case. It's just like it sounds, pee yew.
Bad form Sintech!!!!

Not everyone needs a pure leather casing, I am totally fine with PU in this case. The outside doesn't even look like leather anyways.

kackburt said:
Not everyone needs a pure leather casing, I am totally fine with PU in this case. The outside doesn't even look like leather anyways.
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I don't disagree with what you posted, I also have a PU case (Blu-Rex slim fit). It's that the OP was sure it wasn't "pleather", Rather than someone rushing out to purchase what they thought was a "real leather" case, it would be better if they purchased it for it's other merits, since it is not "real leather".

I like the design of this case. I can deal with the PeeeYuuuu pleather to have the bezel free design.

Oh I like this style, reply if you the find a place to purchase! Ebay and Amazon does not have any news Why?

Color me interested.

I wish the op would update the subject.... Pleather is not leather.

Wow, looks sexy!

Nexus 10 Cases/Covers, opinions, reviews, photos

Apparently no case/cover available right now for the Nexus 10
If you get one please post here and share your thoughts.
Only cases/covers made specifically for the Nexus 10 please!!

I've been looking but I can't find anything, be scary using my Nexus 10 without a case

Good news from Otterbox. I just received this email from them:
"We are currently working on a case for this device but do not have an ETA at this time. We recommend keeping an eye on our website or Facebook page where we will be sure to post more information as soon as it is available. You can also sign up for our email notification to be among the first to know when it becomes available.
Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions."
Also. Trident states that they will NOT be making any cases for the Nexus 10.

ambrous1 said:
Good news from Otterbox. I just received this email from them:
"We are currently working on a case for this device but do not have an ETA at this time. We recommend keeping an eye on our website or Facebook page where we will be sure to post more information as soon as it is available. You can also sign up for our email notification to be among the first to know when it becomes available.
Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions."
Also. Trident states that they will NOT be making any cases for the Nexus 10.
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Nice, hopefully we see something sooner rather than later!

ambrous1 said:
Good news from Otterbox. I just received this email from them:
"We are currently working on a case for this device but do not have an ETA at this time. We recommend keeping an eye on our website or Facebook page where we will be sure to post more information as soon as it is available. You can also sign up for our email notification to be among the first to know when it becomes available.
Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions."
Also. Trident states that they will NOT be making any cases for the Nexus 10.
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Otterbox will turn your "thin, light" google tablet into a brick...

Its not very pretty but its a start
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/ultra-thin-stand-case-for-google-nexus-10-black-p37179.htm

rookiegenius said:
Otterbox will turn your "thin, light" google tablet into a brick...
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Yep. I call them the "otter leave them at home box".

I Wonder if the note 10.1 or tab 2 10.1 case fits the nexus 10. They are very similar in size. might order a cheap one to try it for now until an actual one cones out for the nexus 10.

xxxdroidxxx said:
I Wonder if the note 10.1 or tab 2 10.1 case fits the nexus 10. They are very similar in size. might order a cheap one to try it for now until an actual one cones out for the nexus 10.
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I actually just ordered a leather envelope sleeve from Amazon. This will hold me over until the real cases start shipping.
Here is what I bought
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Only 9 Left!! Get them while they last. Free shipping with Amazon Prime.

HeCareth said:
I actually just ordered a leather envelope sleeve from Amazon. This will hold me over until the real cases start shipping.
Here is what I bought
http://www.amazon.com/Luxurious-Synthetic-Envelope-Carrying-Designed/dp/B0099B0CWC/ref=sr_1_43?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1352954431&sr=1-43&keywords=envelope+sleeve
Only 9 Left!! Get them while they last. Free shipping with Amazon Prime.
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looks really nice. I will go with a sleeve. love the feel of a naked device. But from what Ive seen, it seems like it doesn't have good padding

I ordered this pouch from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007R3Z5E4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
Not as sexy as the leather sleeve, but the padding seems top-notch. At only $9.22, it's a great deal.

If anyone happens to spot a 10-inch tablet carrying case (one with a handle; like a laptop bag) for cheap and black, I'd be interested

Does anyone know if these cases will actually fit?
Isn't the N10 longer than typical 10" tablets?

BamAlmighty said:
Does anyone know if these cases will actually fit?
Isn't the N10 longer than typical 10" tablets?
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My case arrived yesterday, and the Nexus 10 is out for delivery right now. I'll test it out when I get home from work and report back. The case does seem spacious enough to fit the N10. Either way, it's just an inexpensive temporary solution, until a good flip case comes out.

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I've seen a few decent looking "folio cases" on Amazon, a few leather and a synthetic leather plasticky looking thing. They're not beautiful by any means but they're not horrible either. They would work. And they're not horribly expensive either. I'm hoping for just a flip cover for the screen, or one of those cases where it just slides in and has a cover that flips around to the back. I don't really need the one that folds into a stand, I think they tend to look uglier, but if I can find one that looks nice I'll go for it.
<rant> although it's somewhat irrelevant for now since I'm not even getting my n10 until monday thanks to googlegate shipping </rant>

I found this seems like a pretty good case for the time being until more come out, its a preorder
http://ca.mobilefun.com/37179-ultra-thin-stand-case-for-google-nexus-10---black-Reviews.html
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/sd-stand-and-type-case-for-google-nexus-10-blue-p37218.htm

Hello, i found this
http://www.ebay.es/itm/281018856728

doing a quick search on samsung gives me this
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P8110HAEXAR-accessories

I like using a nice padded sleeve when I'm not using my tablet and not having a case when I am using it. I know many people like cases, but I've never really understood why companies spend all of this time creating really cool looking, thin tablets (and if they don't, people complain) only to have users cover them up with thick rubber cases. The Transformer line is a great example. Weather it worked or not, the spun metal was really cool looking but I'd estimate 75% of users covered them up.

Slim Flip Case

About to pick up a 7 today and want to get a good case for it. I'm looking for one that adds very little bulk, yet has a flip cover and that doubles as a stand. I've seen the Poetic Slimline and Speck Fitfolio so far and both seem pretty good but I just want to make sure I haven't missed any other options. Thanks!

I kind like how this case looks.
http://www.amazon.com/Devicewear-Go...1355084112&sr=8-1&keywords=devicewear+nexus+7
Sent from my Nexus 7

I've heard a lot of talk about the poetic but I'm curious if the plastic back part gets all scratched up if it gets placed in bags or desks often. I'm also curious about other options.

Take a look at the eBay slim case I reviewed. It is a good case. Still my every day case.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30387593
sent from my perfect 32GB Nexus 7

2kbandit said:
I kind like how this case looks.
http://www.amazon.com/Devicewear-Go...1355084112&sr=8-1&keywords=devicewear+nexus+7
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Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not a fan of the ones that overlap like that into the front of the device.
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I've tried about all of them except the speck and my favorite is the moko slim fit. They even have one in real leather now.
http://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Automati...5156098&sr=8-1&keywords=moko+slim+fit+nexus+7
It's durable, feels good to carry around and has a lifetime warranty so if you wear it out they'll send you a new one.
The poetic slimline falls apart after about a week. It's good while it lasts.
I don't have the nillkin yet, but I think thats the other one to watch.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-Sma...ablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item1e74a4a219

I'm very happy with the "Nexus 7 UltraSlim Case"

Just stumbled onto this: http://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Magnetic...75047&sr=1-6&keywords=moko+slim+folio+nexus+7
Has anyone tried it?

czonin said:
Just stumbled onto this: http://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Magnetic...75047&sr=1-6&keywords=moko+slim+folio+nexus+7
Has anyone tried it?
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This one looks like a winner for me as I'm also looking for a slim case.
Actually, its between this one and the nilkon. I can't decode.
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I have the Poetic Slimline. I was searching for a cover just like you were, and it was the best one I could find. I love it. It it super slim, high quality, and it comes in a bunch of colors now.

hit up the thanks button plz:
http://www.targus.com/US/productdetail.aspx?regionId=7&sku=THZ186US&PageName=nexus%207%20|%20Targus%20USA&productCategoryId=5&bucketTypeId=0&searchedTerms=nexus%207&navlevel1=&cp=&bannertxt=Search%20Results%20nexus%207

If you're the type of person that prefers quality made things then stay away from the Poetic case! I regret buying the Poetic. I just barely received it today and can't stand this cheap quality case. After owning cases for iPads and Kindles, I don't even know how anyone can tolerate these poorly made cases.

I still can't decide between the Nillkin and the Moko
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czonin said:
Just stumbled onto this: http://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Magnetic...75047&sr=1-6&keywords=moko+slim+folio+nexus+7
Has anyone tried it?
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Just ordered this yesterday. I'll give some info on it when it comes in.
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I too am searching for a good, slim case that will not fray like the poetic, nor be faulty like the veo

czonin said:
Just ordered this yesterday. I'll give some info on it when it comes in.
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Thats pretty cool looking. Looks alot like my Speck case.
My buddy has a poetic case and between my Speck and his the speck is a bit better. His is slightly thinner but the magnetically closing front isnt as good as the specks clasp. The clasp holds much better in a bag than the magnet and the speck has far superior viewing angles for the stand.

WindyCityRockr said:
I have the Poetic Slimline. I was searching for a cover just like you were, and it was the best one I could find. I love it. It it super slim, high quality, and it comes in a bunch of colors now.
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I don't understand the Poetic-hating. I love mine. Had it for a couple weeks now, and it is holding together fine. No fraying. This thing is as good as I could've asked it to be.
Threw a couple decals on there and BAM. Awesomeness.
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So don't order this case: http://www.amazon.com/MoKo-Magnetic...75047&sr=1-6&keywords=moko+slim+folio+nexus+7
The seller never shipped it and after 3 days since the expected delivery, and no way to contact the seller, Amazon had to refund the order.