thinking of buying - Motorola Droid 4

was considering a droid 4 or razor as my next phone..
Dont really know much about it only the glossy adverts and such
and want to know what people think of the droid 4 who already own it.
Any descent custom roms/kernels?
battery life?
does it get hot?
official updates?
is the keyboard any good?
sound quality in phone calls/ speaker phone?
screen quality?
wish you bought something else?

- For D4 we have pretty good ICS leaks, I`m on of the latest leaks, and it`s stable and very comfortable to use.
- Battery life - good enough, better than on my Droid 3 (I saw that there is a fix for WiFi to improve the battery life, so should be even better)
- Not hot for me, but I`m not using this phone for games.
- Official update of ICS (4.0.4) is planned for Q3 2012, so should be delivered to our phones in next few monthes. I hope after ICS we will get JB.
- Keyboard is terrific and awesome. I had all Droids from Motorola and keyboard for Droid 4 is the best keyboard I`ve seen before.
- sounds quality is good, from my point of view - the same as on my Droid 3, so no issues here. With the speaker phone don`t see any issues as well.
- Screen is good, sharp enough and looks like better than screen for Droid 3 (at least in comprasion). But it`s not AMOLED...
- Since I`m using keyboard smartphones for work and I really need hardware keyboard (e-mails, messages, etc.) - Droid 4 is the best choice for me. If you don`t need keyboard then I would suggest to take a look to the Motorola Razr.

Mainly agree with MrAdvo, with a little less positiveness about the screen. I came from the Droid 2 Global (now an ancient phone) and that screen was much better. This shows when scrolling fast or in some animated games (such as Drop). But it's certainly usable.
I paid full price (to keep unlimited data) and I don't currently regret my decision! Waiting for official ICS so it can be global.

I went with the D4 over the razr and I'm glad I did. I work for vzw and constantly get customers coming in who hate the battery life on the razr. I have had no customers complaining about their droid 4.
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Any descent custom roms/kernels? - So far we're stuck with stock kernels due to the locked bootloader but if what I've seen in the dev forums is true, that will be fixable soon with kexec. Hashcode has also ported both CM9 and AOKP to the stock kernel so that should cover most people's needs. Personally I'm an AOKP fangirl, but CM9 is good too!
battery life? - I'm currently in the phase where I'm constantly tinkering with it all day even though I'm supposed to be working, and in the worst case I still had 16% left by the time I went to bed at 4AM! Currently it's 3:27AM and the battery is still at 68% I'd say that was pretty good.
does it get hot? - Not that I've noticed
official updates? - Still waiting for ICS, regular leaks, as discussed already.
is the keyboard any good? - Yes, providing you're not using it to admin linux/unix/cisco type gear as some of the more obscure punctuation such as curly brackets is not on the keyboard and has to be accessed through menus. If you're using it as a text messaging device, or for posting on social networks it's awesome, easily the nicest phone keyboard I have ever used, and this is coming from someone who has had landscape QWERTY phones since the days of the Nokia 9110
sound quality in phone calls/ speaker phone? - Seems fine to me.
screen quality? - This is the big sticking point. If you look closely at a photograph or a smooth gradient, you can see a speckly/dithering effect from the pentile screen. You have to know it's there and go looking for it, but if you're expecting the screen of a Galaxy SIII you'll be disappointed. It's still a decent screen with good brightness and contrast. Haven't tried it in direct sunlight yet though, what with me being in the UK
wish you bought something else? - Nope. Once you've decided you want a QWERTYphone, there really isn't another option right now. Thankfully this is a very good option.
One thing that's important to note, since you're in Australia, which I'm 99% certain is a GSM country, this phone will not work out of the box as the gingerbread firmware is CDMA only and locked to the Verizon network in the USA. You'll need to flash to the latest ICS leak. Idiot's guide here.

Thanx guys and girls,
Yeah I was wondering why I couldnt find this phone from aussie sellers in ebay and telco's.
So can be hacked to GSM?
Dam looked like a good phone too.
is it still a touch screen ?

DuratecPaul said:
Thanx guys and girls,
Yeah I was wondering why I couldnt find this phone from aussie sellers in ebay and telco's.
So can be hacked to GSM?
Dam looked like a good phone too.
is it still a touch screen ?
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The hardware is fully capable of both CDMA and GSM, however the firmware it shipped with does not have GSM support because Verizon are, well, they're as nice and helpful as Telstra!
Officially the Droid 4 will get world-phone functionality at the same time as the official ICS firmware drops, supposedly in Q3, but you can have it right now with one of the leaks.
Yes it's still a touchscreen. I only really warned you about the screen because quite a few people are moaning about it when compared to the Galaxy SIII. Personally I'm fine with the screen.

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The hardware is fully capable of both CDMA and GSM, however the firmware it shipped with does not have GSM support because Verizon are, well, they're as nice and helpful as Telstra!
Officially the Droid 4 will get world-phone functionality at the same time as the official ICS firmware drops, supposedly in Q3, but you can have it right now with one of the leaks.
Yes it's still a touchscreen. I only really warned you about the screen because quite a few people are moaning about it when compared to the Galaxy SIII. Personally I'm fine with the screen.
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If you plan to use the phone outside the US, and are at least a little paranoid, it might be a good idea to buy the phone prior to the ICS release and install the leak.
Note: no evidence for what follows! It's at least possible that Verizon might lock the GSM portion of the phone, as they have done on their previous pre-ICS world phones. The leaks don't have a lock, and neither does the official ICS release on the RAZR, but it might seem to be a good idea at some point. Unlocking can be very hard, you need to be a VZ customer to get it from Verizon, and on some models, particularly the Droid 2 Global, Verizon changed the codes so that the web-based vendors codes (using Moto's DB) didn't work most of the time. In addition, they can make it hard to root and impossible to revert to an earlier version (Droid 2 got a root method last week, several months after the latest update). So, may not happen, but.....

Thanx all round...
if i find the right 1 at the right price ...I will be getting one I think.
I hate onscreen keyboards ...
I wonder does swiftkeys work with the hardware keyboard ie suggest words spell correct.

DuratecPaul said:
I wonder does swiftkeys work with the hardware keyboard ie suggest words spell correct.
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No idea what swiftkeys is, but it does pop up a number of word suggestions at the bottom of the screen as I type.
As for price, I got a brand new one for US$500 which worked out at about UK£360 after import taxes. This was a lot cheaper than buying a similar device out of contract in the UK since most sellers do $1 = £1 to set UK prices even though the exchange rate is currently $1.50 = £1.
I don't know how Australian prices compare, or how much you get taxed for personal imports, but I'm sure you people get ripped off on electronic goods just as much as us Poms.

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No idea what swiftkeys is, but it does pop up a number of word suggestions at the bottom of the screen as I type.
As for price, I got a brand new one for US$500 which worked out at about UK£360 after import taxes. This was a lot cheaper than buying a similar device out of contract in the UK since most sellers do $1 = £1 to set UK prices even though the exchange rate is currently $1.50 = £1.
I don't know how Australian prices compare, or how much you get taxed for personal imports, but I'm sure you people get ripped off on electronic goods just as much as us Poms.
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Oh hell yeah we do ...in the shops... but online from USA is very cheap anything under $1000 au is tax free
UK is same I think but we have to put up with your horrific postal charges.

DuratecPaul said:
Oh hell yeah we do ...in the shops... but online from USA is very cheap anything under $1000 au is tax free
UK is same I think but we have to put up with your horrific postal charges.
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Yes, I imported my Droid 4 from USA here in Australia. Works great and no taxes because of price lower than 1000 AUD.

Hey Paul,
Send us a pm with a reasonable target price as we may be able to accommodate you.

DevicesNow said:
Hey Paul,
Send us a pm with a reasonable target price as we may be able to accommodate you.
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By devicesnow i buyed three droid4, this is a powerseller
Very fast shipping and good communication.
...Tapatalk

Lum_UK said:
No idea what swiftkeys is, but it does pop up a number of word suggestions at the bottom of the screen as I type.
As for price, I got a brand new one for US$500 which worked out at about UK£360 after import taxes. This was a lot cheaper than buying a similar device out of contract in the UK since most sellers do $1 = £1 to set UK prices even though the exchange rate is currently $1.50 = £1.
I don't know how Australian prices compare, or how much you get taxed for personal imports, but I'm sure you people get ripped off on electronic goods just as much as us Poms.
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$500 is good! I paid $549 from Verizon (to keep unlimited data on their plans)

I also am in the same bucket as you... tired of my Thunderbolt having issues and need to stay grandfathered. Found a sweet deal on a brand new Droid 4 out of the box. I take it even as Motorola w/ a locked bootloader, we've got tethering working on this device? (w/out a plan)

DNak206 said:
we've got tethering working on this device? (w/out a plan)
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wireless tethering working without problems.

Related

UK User Desire or N1 ?

Hello guys,
I've put my HD2 up for sale and i'm looking for a Android phone.
I've obviously got the Desire and N1 in mind however choosing between the two i'm just so unsure.
The Desire has the SenseUI which I love on my HD2, and by my understanding the Widgets are pretty good compared to the N1, but the Android updates will be slower because of SenseUI needing to be integrated on each release.
But I have to admit i'm one of those people who needs a device running on the latest software being all it can be, so with the fact the N1 is already on Froyo 2.2 i'm then pulled towards this phone, as I'm doubtful the Desire will receive the same support over time.
Also if I Root the N1 I presume some people are putting Sense UI on the N1's and I could do the same>?
Likewise could I do the same thing on the Desire, i.e. Vanilla Froyo 2.2 without SenseUI on the Desire? or are they different internally?
My other headache is I would need to buy the N1 from the states, and am concerned of it not working properly in the UK.
with pinch to zoom on the N1 now, the only difference is the slightley different pshyical layout, and SenseUI, with N1 getting the updates first.
If i've said anything incorrect please let me know, correct me, more information is always good
If any UK users can tell me how easy a UK order is
And if you were buying one now which would you buy?
Thanks, Luke.
The Desire SenseUI isn't the same as the HD2's SenseUI so loving it on one doesn't mean you'll love it on the other.
It's very easy to order from the UK, mine took 3/4 days to arrive (ordered Tuesday evening, arrived Friday). Everything works fine... the so called 'T-Mobile' version has all the right frequencies for the UK and it comes with the right locale settings for us.
Get N1, put MoDaCo ROM on it and you'll have Sense UI
I had Desire here in the UK, but it turned out to be not geeky enough for me, so I sold it and got Nexus One.
Personally I love the trackball on the N1. The light is awesome. I missed that the most from my blackberry perl when I used an iPhone.
Just my opinion I for not live in the UK so I can't really comment on the specifics for the area.
I bought an N1 and still would if I had to make the choice again. Although I did like SenseUI, it simply wasn't important enough when comparing it against how quick the N1 will get OS updates over other Android devices. The N1 and Desire are very similar phones performance wise, whereas newer Android devices have a better camera etc these two are virtually identical. Therefore it comes down to a pretty simple choice, how quick do you want updates
I appreciate what your saying, and accept that the Sense isn't the same, but while not the same I can see the appeal.
As for the 'T-Mobile' version do I have to specify it at point of sale?
The Modaco Rom looks most interesting i'll investigate it and see what happens. So far i'm leaning more to the N1.
BTW I heard a rumor Google were stop selling the N1 themselves is this true?
They will not sell N1 via the website, but it will still be available via carriers. In the US it will only be T-Mobile, because everyone else decided to not sell N1 and sell Evo 4G and Incredible instead.
In the UK, there should be more carriers, but for now it's only Vodafone as far as I know.
Interesting you say this as i'm on the payments page (was looking for total cost)
nexus one - t-mobile uk owner
diablous said:
Interesting you say this as i'm on the payments page (was looking for total cost)
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it's still for sale at the mo, but a recent googlerumour (tm) said they'd soon be stopping the http://google.com/phone purchase store, only having links to carriers.
I bought one a few months back, first android phone (came from a HTC touch Pro (pm me if anyone wants to buy)) and have to say it is a ruddy good phone, total cost including import tax was a fair bit but still less than having a contract @ £35 a month for 18 months min.
I'm happy with mine and would do the same again.
Personally I like the N1 better. I have an N1 and my brother-in-law has the Desire. Both are nice phones but I liked android stock, speech-to-text and noise cancellation. The sense UI does give the perception of a more polished phone, though, which is ideal if you just want that polished experience and don't care for fiddling around with rooting and different roms. My brother-in-law isn't a geek and just wanted a smartphone to use for social networks and to replace his tom-tom, so the Desire is ideal for him too.
They're basically the same phone and it all depends on how you'll use it. For me, no other phone has voice dictation and noise cancellation and so the N1 stands out from all the rest.
Word of advice:
DO NOT BUY THE UK CHARGER
It's not worth it, I use an 80p shaver plug from ASDA with the supplied US charger.
After extended looking at the two phones the Sense UI is starting to win me over... The Nexus 1 is the modders phone, but what are the widgets like? Sense look really good and useful.
I would say if your going to stick to Stock then Get the Samsung Galaxy S I hear its amazingly Fast!! but if you want to Root get the nexus one.
it will be rooted, but for the purpose of being right up to date. with the best apps.
it's either Desire or Nexus 1.
diablous said:
it will be rooted, but for the purpose of being right up to date. with the best apps.
it's either Desire or Nexus 1.
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Then it has to be the N1.
Desire isnt as easy to root. The current root for it doesnt allow you to write to the filesystem if I understand corectly. So if you want to have the most options available to you, I would go for the N1.
WARNING
You should also be aware that the total cost on googles site is not the total cost at all, when ordering to the UK you will be charged a variety of taxes including VAT and customs tax etc etc which make the phone alot more expensive. I personally recomend you buying the phone from a friend with an upgrade coming on Voda, most people find it hard to turn down £400 cash. Thats just my 2 pence
You only pay VAT at 17.5%. There's no duties or customs taxes on the phone itself.
You only pay duty on accesories, eg the UK plug - which is pointless - just use a US to UK adapter for 50p

Anyone else getting the Virgin Mobile Optimus V?

I heard that Virgin Mobile is going to come out with the Optimus V which is going to be priced at $150? Truth?
If so, I may consider it for sure! I really like the series and very good for Android.
qipengart said:
I heard that Virgin Mobile is going to come out with the Optimus V which is going to be priced at $150? Truth?
If so, I may consider it for sure! I really like the series and very good for Android.
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I got it on Friday from Target $149.00, activated it and it is great. Great phone a huge upgrade from my Samsung Intercept.
I agree.. Just picked one up yesterday and it blows the intercept out of the water!! What a joke that phone was.. And $100 more? You gotta be joking me Get the LG!
Yeah I just got one from Target. If you don't see one give the DPCI for it because it doesn't show up on the system otherwise.
Very nice and inexpensive. I was thinking about the Intercept before I heard of this because it was $170 at Best Buy. Based on what I read this is the better buy, even for someone like me who NEEDS a physical keyboard. Gotta break out of the comfort zone if you want the bread, eh
I just got mine today. Have the $25 dollar package and love it. Left Cricket's unreliable network where I was using a flashed HTC Eris. Couldn't get 3G no matter what tutorials I followed on this and other forums. I'm really glad I made that change.
I made the switch from an AT&T Captivate. Fed up with paying 130.00+ monthly for bad coverage and a phone that will never see froyo. Porting took less than 2 hours and I have working NAV! I was a little apprehensive about switching to pre-pay, but so far the coverage has been 110% better, and the VM reps are great! I didn't sit on hold even once in the 4 calls I made to them after buying the phone. If you are on the fence about buying this phone, please allow me to nudge you in the right direction!
Just got one at Best Buy last weekend for $129. Great phone. Love the dedicated camera button. Coming from an Evo this things screen is small but the phone is still quick and is the perfect for factor for pocket-ability.

Droid 3 is out - How about a forum for it.

Now that the Droid 3 is out, can we get a home to start talking and building developer support and get this bloatware off that Verizon & Motorola put on it.
that's would be wonderful!
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
IISiDeK1CKII said:
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Most phones have locked bootloaders. Devs crack them. Motorolas are just tougher to crack than others. And unfortunately the D3 is the most glamourous option if you want a QWERTY keyboard on VZW.
Lets get one going!
So far I am very happy with my D3, I have no complaints and regardless I feel no matter what Moto puts out for a Droid Bionic it will fall victim to the hype machine. Love for a couple of weeks until the honeymoon wears off.
I wanted a slider phone and move away from 4G LTE and kept my Unlimited Data. Next year CES 2012 when we see ICS next gen LTE phones, then I will get excited for summer 2012.
I agree! Getting one on the 14th!
Locked bootloader again. Ouch!
IISiDeK1CKII said:
I will be surprised if the Droid 3 is popular enough to warrant it's own sub-forum.
It has a locked bootloader and there are much more glamourous options available.
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Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.
Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).
Awesome! Thanks for the forum!
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Hopefully when it arrives in retail stores and bestbuy on the 14th it will get more attention. I wonder if anyone is working on root/unlock already. I cant wait to see it in person and see if i can put up with the stupid pentile screen. I wish HTC would release a high end QWERTY on Verizon. Until something reasonable comes out I am stuck with ATT crappy service here. I have tried the whole keyboard-less phone thing. Doesnt work for me. I couldnt wait to get rid of my nexus one (though it was a great phone otherwise).
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+1. I thought the HTC Merge would make it to Verizon, giving us a nice HTC branded slider but alas it didn't happen. Plus its specs were on the low end. Anyway, my D3 is coming in the mail today and I'm stoked to see a subforum. Does anyone know how encrypted the bootloader is? Even though the Atrix is getting unlocked I have a feeling Verizon is standing in the way of bootloader solutions on its network, as HTC's recent announcement (only t-mobile and sprint phones are getting unlocked) suggests.
We have the best devs on the planet here so I'm sure D3 owners will have some kind of root solution soon!
I'm waiting to see how long it takes for root to be achieved on this device before I make a concrete decision on whether to purchase it. Even though the physical keyboard is the main selling point for me, I think I could forego this "luxury" and purchase something else if I can't remove all of the bloat Verizon places on it. I'm due for my NE2 in about six weeks, so hopefully the devs have it cracked by then. I'd like to be able to root it straight out of the box, LOL! The most difficult thing for me has been staying out of the local stores so I don't buy one on impulse after playing around with it! From what I hear, the pentile screen is still significantly better than the screen on the D1, so I don't see that bothering me too much.
So far I am very pleased with the device. Yes I want the bootloader to be unlocked, but for now I would be happy with root and a deodexed ROM with bloat removed, more importantly an SBF. Perhaps we will see something from TBH in the future?
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Erm, just like the Droid X2 has a locked bootloader (and its own subforum)?
Your personal bias against Droid 3 aside, it's becoming a very popular item and am actually kind of shocked we don't have a subforum for it already. I've been checking back every few hours waiting for one.
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Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.
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Not to mention that it is has a fast chipset that is better than the already good Tegra 2, 11.5gb of internal flash storage and probably the best keyboard designed for a smartphone.
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And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.
It is just me or does this forum not show up in the compact view of the forum home?
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And a thin phone with bigass screen.
Too bad it has far less Ram than the Atrix.
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I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?
Side bar on the Droid 3: total usable RAM is 450000 KB reported by the system.
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I've been seeing it stated in almost every Droid forum that the Atrix only has 512 usable for phone processes and the other 512 is reserved for the Webtop. Wouldn't that mean the D3 technically has the same 'usable' RAM as the Atrix?
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that's right, they will both have the same usable RAM. plus doesn't the D3 (and the Bionic for that matter) uses ddr2 RAM, which is very fast?

$200 craigslist Captivate: worth it?

Any feedback is appreciated. The ad was put up by a "resale" (pawn?) shop maybe ten blocks away, which I'm not sure if I feel better or worse than buying it off some guy, but at least it will be easy to get a hands-on and walk out if it's no good. Also, I could find the guy again if I need to, but I'd take a craigslist sale as caveat emptor, regardless.
I just moved from AT&T contract to their $50/mo prepaid-unlimited, and will try my SIM card in the phone before I commit. The phone was listed as "AT&T samsung galaxy S," with a picture of what appears to be a Rogers Captivate, but it's not clear if the pic is of the actual item or just a google image.
Overall, the price seems decent as long as the phone is in working order. I plan to do the SIM check, have a look at About and Battery stats in the settings (if it's froyo, I'll probably leave it be. If not, I might flash CM7), and see if there are any apps on it.
Isn't there a sticker on the battery or somewhere that will indicate water damage? Honestly, water damage wouldn't be a deal-breaker if everything seems to work, but I'd like to check.
Anything else I should look for? Seeing any red flags?
Kinda expensive IMO. but yes there is a white sticker near the battery for watermark.and check for the build. I would only buy it if it was a 1006 or 1007 build bit some ppl may say otherwise.I have a 1007 and never had to use a jig before. I'm guessing that the jig( for recovering from a software brick state.or don't have the button combos active) is for higher build phones. But these are only opinions of mine. If you don't plan on doing a lot of flashing a higher build is good. All opinions aside I love the phone and the screen is what makes me love it so much. I would wait for the galaxy s 2 that I'm going to get when it comes out here. Hope your happy with your crappy.
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Work a little harder and order a SGS II.
Yeah honestly this phone was the latest and greatest a year ago.
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Yeah honestly this phone was the latest and greatest a year ago.
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Booya
-Figured i needed a signature for my phone. This is it......
$200 sounds too much, i bought my 6mo old 1008 version for $150 and everything works fine. but an i897/6 at $200 and it being old and outdated(also with poor GPS on many of the units) very soon, i would rather save for sgsII or whatever else comes out when i have the money for it, which is what im doing now.
Obviously, if a new phone were an option, subsidized or otherwise, I wouldn't be looking at this one. I'm looking for a phone to be bought outright and used with prepaid unlimited, with $200 as my outside limit, Android preferred. The "latest and greatest a year ago" would more than suffice. My current phone was by no means the greatest when it was the latest three years ago.
Looking around online, $190-225 seems to be the going rate for this device, used and undamaged. Is there a better Android value in that price range, without a contract plan? I've considered the LG Optimus V on Virgin Mobile ($25 unlimited data/sms, minimal talk), but I'm not too confident in the Sprint network, and I suspect the Optimus is a worse value new at $200 than the Captivate used.
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I would only buy it if it was a 1006 or 1007 build bit some ppl may say otherwise.
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Are those model numbers, part of the serial number, or what? Would I find them in Settings>About or stamped somewhere on the device? I gather that 1008 or higher may be more prone to bricking during flash/root, but the jury's out? I don't even have my heart set on rooting the device, much less flashing ROMs, but it would all depend on how I like using it.
Just for the record 1008s are fine...
I have a 1011 and have had zero problems with it. v0v ymmv
The build number is a matter of opinion. Older ones have buggy gps, newer ones don't. I've heard newer ones are a bit annoying to start modding. I'm on a 1008 build and have no complaints on it except maybe less than accurate gps, but I never cared that much for the gps.
On the price Its an old phone but I can say In Puerto Rico they still go for $200-$250 street value with box and almost new condition. $150-$200 if its very used, and a hand full that Ive gotten for $100 in working condition and resold. You could always try to find a soft bricked one and try fixing? Obviously this is based on where I live and Im one that keeps an eye out to make a quick buck lol.
I passed on this one, just because I decided it's not the right time for the expense, but the old Captivate still looks like a good option, so I'll keep my eyes open for another opportunity. Thanks for the feedback.
I'd be wary of buying a used Cappy simply because of the random shutdown issues.
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$200 sounds too much, i bought my 6mo old 1008 version for $150 and everything works fine. but an i897/6 at $200 and it being old and outdated(also with poor GPS on many of the units) very soon, i would rather save for sgsII or whatever else comes out when i have the money for it, which is what im doing now.
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I still seeing Captivates selling on e-bay for more than $200. I think it is too much also, but I am bit of a cheapskate when it comes to electronics (except my computer).

[Q] Waiting for ICS?

So I was all ready last week to pull the trigger on a Droid 4 with Verizon, despite being with AT&T, until realizing that...
I have really inexpensive unlimited data with AT&T, while Verizon wants me to wear leather and vasoline for the pleasure of data
The Droid 4 is a Motorola… and it took like nine months of promises for the Backflip to get updated.
I'm not sure I want to buy a phone today with a glimmer of hope of ICS next November, rather than waiting a few months for something else.
Has this factored into anyone else's actions?
Not having ICS really doesn't bother me that much. GB is pretty nice IMO. It looks like ICS will come eventually. Third quarter maybe. But I would be surprised if we don't have an ICS ROM to flash long before then. I don't plan on running stock for long anyways, so for me, dev support is more important that what version of Android it ships with. Judging by the dev support for the Droid 2 and Droid 3 I am pretty sure that we should have pretty good support for the Droid 4 as well.
Support is already there for the Razr as well. Since they are so similar I would not be surprised to see some ROMs ported from there which could help speed up the process.
True enough, but the Backflip left an unpleasant taste in my mouth for Motorola upgrade support and for relying on open ROMs. I'm happy writing embedded software, but my phone is also a business tool and needs to be pretty solid.
I wasn't too concerned either, my archos tablet was maxed at 1.6, and GB is a lot nicer. ICS will get around when it does, and this phone does everything I could want. If I need something it doesn't offer, then I'd look into new ROMs.
It would be fun to tinker with ICS, though.
Wotta said:
So I was all ready last week to pull the trigger on a Droid 4 with Verizon, despite being with AT&T, until realizing that...
I have really inexpensive unlimited data with AT&T, while Verizon wants me to wear leather and vasoline for the pleasure of data
The Droid 4 is a Motorola… and it took like nine months of promises for the Backflip to get updated.
I'm not sure I want to buy a phone today with a glimmer of hope of ICS next November, rather than waiting a few months for something else.
Has this factored into anyone else's actions?
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I was using a RAZR up until last week when I got my D4. I LOVED the RAZR, awesome phone, but the lack of a keyboard was killing me.
That was GB, and I've played with a Nexus for 2 weeks while I was trying to figure things out, and honestly, ICS is great and all, but there's really nothing on the Nexus I couldn't do on a GB phone that I was like "I gotta have this".
It's a great operating system, but it's not the "end all be all" for mobile computing.
I also was not very happy with the build quality of the Nexus. it just wasn't nearly as nice.....period. You cannot convince me otherwise, as I scratched the hell out of that thing in the 2 week time that I had it. My RAZR after 3 months of solid use, still looked basically brand new, and was rock solid.
The GB implementation on both the RAZR and the D4 is AWESOME. Blur is so minimal these days, it's hardly noticeable, and the only FC's I've had on this thing have been with Bank of America's stupid app, that FC's on every device. (I dropped BofA for banking recently....so goodbye crappy app)
So from personal experience, I can honestly give you a straight up review of both OS's, and tell you, it shouldn't factor in your decision at all.
Hardware is WAY more important in the long run, because I would hate to have a phone that had the latest software, but looked like a piece of crap after 6 months. Also, without a keyboard, I have learned I just can't live that way yet. Speech to text is only "so" good, and it won't replace my keyboard until they can figure out how to make it better. I also cannot for the life of me figure out swype, so forget that hot mess.
The one thing that I really truly miss on my D4 that the RAZR had, is the screen That 4.3" beauty on the RAZR was ridiculous. It was the best AMOLED that I've ever laid eyes on. I haven't seen the 7.7" Samsung Galaxy Tab, that is supposed to be even better than that, but if it's even 1/3 of what the RAZR was, it's going to be awesome.
The D4 screen is bleh.....it really is the only weakness that I can see in what is otherwise a rock solid, applications monster, that helps my productivity everyday.
So that's my $.02.
As for the idea of leaving an unlimited data plan on AT&T, if I were you, I would call Verizon, not go into the store, and haggle. Tell them the only way you leave your AT&T contract is if you get unlimited to replace it.
They do have special offer codes, that can get you the unlimited data plans, but you have to demand it. It may take talking to a manager, so don't be shy about it.
ICS/CM9 will be coming sooner than expected
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Garlick, thanks. I'm not actually very concerned about the unlimited data. I have WiFi in most places so my "unlimited" has averaged about 250MB, below any of the limits anyhow. But AT&T is great for Euro-travel also; Verizon is more expensive in the places it works. If it's that great a device, I may jump soon anyhow.
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ICS/CM9 will be coming sooner than expected
see link ICS INFO
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Yes, but I was saying that I tend to avoid the custom ROMs for stability reasons.
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ICS/CM9 will be coming sooner than expected
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Thanks for posting this.... I had been wandering since the RAZR and the D4 have the same innards if the roms could simply be ported back and forth with some minimal optimizations...
Someone installed this ROM on their Droid 4 without issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385428
I've had the bionic, which I thought is a solid phone yeah it had some connectivity issues but other than that its solid, then I had my Samsung Galaxy Nexus and don't get me wrong ICS is awesome on it but its a Samsung it had just as bad data drops as my bionic if not worse. Which by the way is for sale. Then I got my DROID 4 and have been back in heaven yeah I miss the bigger scree but everything else it makes up for it.
i will wait for ICS/CM9, but it seems like i wont have to wait too long!
that, and the big screen are the only things i miss about my DX
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Garlick, thanks. I'm not actually very concerned about the unlimited data. I have WiFi in most places so my "unlimited" has averaged about 250MB, below any of the limits anyhow. But AT&T is great for Euro-travel also; Verizon is more expensive in the places it works. If it's that great a device, I may jump soon anyhow.
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Honestly... I have unlimited data from verizon, grandfathered from before they put the cap on. BUT, looking at my usage, i never exceed 2gb. And i stream music every day on my commute (1 hour each way).
as far as international travel goes.. i would NEVER pay for verizon (or any carriers global roaming) i have a quad band GSM phone that i take with me anywhere i go and and just buy a local pre-paid sim and pop it in.

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