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Nokia to beat Android?

Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?

The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).

yeah i think nokia is making a bad move

lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...

I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams

Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.

I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash

z33dev33l said:
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.

Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?

ErOR22 said:
There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.

I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.

GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?

Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...

z33dev33l said:
Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.

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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.

I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.

z33dev33l said:
I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.

Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.

Android/WP7/iOS strengths and weaknesses.

Ok, well I figured instead of a thread where everyone just comes in and posts their favorite OS it would be nice to put a little bit more thought into our posts. So, what are your opinion on these 3 OSes and what would you say their strengths and weaknesses are? My opinions are as follows;
Android:
Strengths- Completely open source and all APIs readily available, huge market of apps, best hardware selection.
Weaknesses- Ugly and laggy user interface due to no hardware accelerated UI, OEM's additions to the UI generally suck, able to get viruses, terrible fragmentation, worst update process ever.
General opinion- It was fun but flashing roms at least once a week was getting annoying and the fact that the update process is generally non-existent is an annoyance. It's terrible knowing that if I went out and bought the latest 2.2-2.3 phone today it's highly unlikely that it would ever see 2.4 or whatever the next iteration might be.
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iOS:
Strengths- Best supported OS and devices on the market to date, fluid UI, best market, always nice devices, best update process imaginable, Netflix.
Weaknesses- Hideous UI, severe hardware limitations, not as open as android.
General opinion- Apple is scared to change a tried and true formula and though the minuscule 3.5 inch screen may be fine for some for me and many others it's just dated. The UI is just as cluttered as your average android UI though to their credit it is smooth.
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Windows Phone 7:
Strengths- The hardware selection paired with Xbox live and new titles like Ilomilo and Fable Coin Golf make it the best mobile gaming platform in my opinion (iOS would take the cake but I cant game on a screen that tiny), the UI is refreshingly new and intuitive and does not lag, great update process, Netflix, great hardware selection.
Weaknesses- very few APIs open to developers, limited app market by comparison to the other two, "very locked down" in most peoples opinions, not much room for customization.
A lot of people are scared of Windows Phone either because they had a terrible experience with Windows Mobile or they were one of the few who had a great experience with WinMo and didn't want it to change. If you want an OS that is great out of the box that you don't have to build on then in my opinion this is your guy. I've used about every mobile OS out there and this is the only one that has really stuck to me. The uniformity across the OS and the way everything is so well integrated could not have been done better. I admit it has a ways to go before it can keep up with some of the bigger fish in the sea but for the time being the overall user experience is so good that I don't mind at all. Not once on android did I find a game I enjoyed half as much as Ilomilo or Fable Coin Golf. It really is better than most give it credit for.

well, i wanna add something to the iOS section. After the last update, the iPhone 3g has become laggy. All i wanna say is that apple doesn't care much about how its old devices "act" with its new iOS.
I have an android phone (gs3) but i can't say much about that OS, because I have had it for 1 month.
I don't have any experience with win phone 7 OS. But I have heard good things.

Android​
Strengths: Open source which leads to several choices to software (ROMs) and hardware. Based on Linux. As an open system it's available for experimenting and learning.
Weaknesses: Market haven't reached it's potential yet. Google needs to control the fragmentation.
General Opinion: I prefer Android due to the strenghs I just mentioned.
iPhone​
Strengths: Best market in the phone industry, smoother interface than the rest.
Weaknesses: Apple is the worst company in terms of options. It want everything to be done by it's means. iPhone is the most expensive phone (not only terms of apps) as sometimes you must pay for an update.
General Opinion: iPhone -as a device- is a great device. But I realy dislike the policy of Apple in almost everything. Apple treats its customers as robots by not giving them option ands sometimes by -almost- comanding them what they should like. Famous Jobs phrase says it all: "People don't know what they want until you show it to them"
Windows Phone 7​
Strengths: Not a major one.
Weaknesses: To many to write down...
General Opinion: Indifferent.
z33dev33l well done for opening this post. It should be intresting.

z33dev33l said:
Android:
Strengths- Completely open source and all APIs readily available, huge market of apps, best hardware selection.
Weaknesses- Ugly and laggy user interface due to no hardware accelerated UI, OEM's additions to the UI generally suck, able to get viruses, terrible fragmentation, worst update process ever.
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Been using the Android OS since dec 08 and never had one virus. Hell on my evo I download torrents on it all the time and not once have I ever had a virus.

Android and iOS scale rather well from phone to tablet. WM really doesn't. Also WM doesn't even begin to have the ecosystem (users, developers, apps, etc.) that Android and iOS do.
Android's biggest issue right now is a lack of some of the kind of commercial apps that iOS does, like the iWork suite. I am seriously considering getting an iPad 2 depending on how much it's going to cost to get my MBP serviced.
Ultimately, it's about the tools you need. I love my EVO 4G which I wouldn't trade for the world. But I also need to be productive and "get stuff done" and so whether that's Mac OS X or Windows 7 on a laptop, or iOS on a tablet, I'm going to use the best tool(s) I can find.

I use an Android on my private phone (HTC Legend) and don't want to miss it again.
In comparison to that i have an company phone (HTC HD7) with Windows Phone7 and it is frustrating to see a good hardware phone with such a bad software -> to many things are not working.
Two examples:
Downloading some pictures from the windows phone only works with one software ... on an other operating system you really have a problem to get the pictures without syncing them over the cloud
Or synchronizing mails and calendar with an Exchange-Server without an official SSL certificate ...
I never had such problems on Android or Symbian ...

If I worked for a company which required me to wear a phone, then I would accept (not necessarily gladly, to be sure) whatever phone they issued, and I would ensure it was THEIR problem to resolve any difficulties, limitations, or whatever else regarding operational capabilities.
My attitude in such matters is a rather unsympathetic "Hey, you people made the bed, so now you can sleep in it".

well, i wanna add something to the iOS section. After the last update, the iPhone 3g has become laggy. All i wanna say is that apple doesn't care much about how its old devices "act" with its new iOS.
I have an android phone (gs3) but i can't say much about that OS, because I have had it for 1 month.
I don't have any experience with win phone 7 OS. But I have heard good things.
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Thanks for the addition, my first iphone was the iphone 4 so I don't know about all of the old stuff.
Android
Strengths: Open source which leads to several choices to software (ROMs) and hardware. Based on Linux. As an open system it's available for experimenting and learning.
Weaknesses: Market haven't reached it's potential yet. Google needs to control the fragmentation.
General Opinion: I prefer Android due to the strenghs I just mentioned.
iPhone
Strengths: Best market in the phone industry, smoother interface than the rest.
Weaknesses: Apple is the worst company in terms of options. It want everything to be done by it's means. iPhone is the most expensive phone (not only terms of apps) as sometimes you must pay for an update.
General Opinion: iPhone -as a device- is a great device. But I realy dislike the policy of Apple in almost everything. Apple treats its customers as robots by not giving them option ands sometimes by -almost- comanding them what they should like. Famous Jobs phrase says it all: "People don't know what they want until you show it to them"
Windows Phone 7
Strengths: Not a major one.
Weaknesses: To many to write down...
General Opinion: Indifferent.
z33dev33l well done for opening this post. It should be intresting.
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Might I ask, have you yet to partake in a WP7 device?
Been using the Android OS since dec 08 and never had one virus. Hell on my evo I download torrents on it all the time and not once have I ever had a virus.
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Just because you've yet to recieve one doesn't mean they're not out there.
Android and iOS scale rather well from phone to tablet. WM really doesn't. Also WM doesn't even begin to have the ecosystem (users, developers, apps, etc.) that Android and iOS do.
Android's biggest issue right now is a lack of some of the kind of commercial apps that iOS does, like the iWork suite. I am seriously considering getting an iPad 2 depending on how much it's going to cost to get my MBP serviced.
Ultimately, it's about the tools you need. I love my EVO 4G which I wouldn't trade for the world. But I also need to be productive and "get stuff done" and so whether that's Mac OS X or Windows 7 on a laptop, or iOS on a tablet, I'm going to use the best tool(s) I can find.
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Windows Phone 7 is growing faster in terms of apps than either android or iOS did when it started and both of those are much more open. It also holds the strongest percentile increase in developer interest month after month.

iOS destroys in battery life. But I'm still Android after switching back. Too much pros then cons with Android.

Other than apps, what is better on ios or android

I know WP is missing a ton of apps. But I can't think of anything android or iPhones do better than WP.
I had the Lumia 900 and upgraded to 920. also my work phone is a Samsung galaxy android .
It seems that everything's slower and breaks on android.
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Most of the missing apps are rendered useless and pointless by the system. Having such a good OS makes apps not needed in some cases (for instance, WP does not need battery saver type of apps, whereas Android does, you do not need decent apps to view photos, check email, etc because system apps are good enough and examples could continue). SO the fuss over "omg WP has a lot of apps missing" is pure misinformation.
WP trumps over Android. Idk about iOS, but Android is leagues behind.

I completely agree. I just cannot think of a single instance where android or IOS trumps wp. Its a bit mind blowing that windows phones are better and cheaper but idiots are still buying android and apple
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shield001 said:
I completely agree. I just cannot think of a single instance where android or IOS trumps wp. Its a bit mind blowing that windows phones are better and cheaper but idiots are still buying android and apple
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Because Android is a little more mature, as far as popularity is concerned (it is on the market for longer than WP has been), the same goes for apple.
Android also packs up more hardware power (because the hardware has to make up for poor software, and in most cases, the hardware is simply not capable of doing so) and for the average joe it means it is better. As far as Apple is concerned...well...people will blindly follow the brand anyway.
There's also the developer problem, most people go with Java because Java is thought in collage more than C++ or C# is. This is also a big advantage Android has.
on a side note...
I wonder how a quad core Windows Phone 8 will be like...

Really need Teamviewer or Logmein or VPN
Teamviewer, Logmein, or VPN really needs to be implemented in WP. As a early adopter and a happy 920 Owner I was really hoping to see this in WP8 hope it comes soon a lot of IT individuals can't make the switch because of this.

shield001 said:
I know WP is missing a ton of apps. But I can't think of anything android or iPhones do better than WP.
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The problem with wp and ios are not the apps per se, but rather that there are entire classes of apps that they cannot get by design.
The easiest examples are custom keyboards (swype) and custom launchers (i.e. if you don't like the default type of start screen, you're out of luck).
But there are much more advanced examples, programs that perform deep system changes in order to add massive functionality:
GestureControl
PGM Nexus
while, unfortunately, MSFT and Apple have generally been cracking down on anything resembling rooting. It would be better if they would let us do whatever we want, and buyer beware.

Ahh got one separate volume settings, I know android can do it. Lol had to reach for that one, especially now that WP supports micro sd
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Besides apps, ios and android are far more mature and so have many features not available on wp8. Examples
Do not disturb mode
Notification centre
Separate volume controls
Sms drafts on android
Send a configurable text response if you cant answer a call
Way better music players with features like gapless playback
Usb tethering
Notification light on android
Wp8 has a lot of catching up to do

shield001 said:
I completely agree. I just cannot think of a single instance where android or IOS trumps wp. Its a bit mind blowing that windows phones are better and cheaper but idiots are still buying android and apple
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It's mind blowing that you can't see that people buy what they want.
Windows Phone isn't for everyone. It's a locked down OS - even more locked down than Apple's iOS.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Lumia, but I'm concerned about how locked down it is.
Android does a lot more: browser choice, tv out, USB On-the-go (which allows you to connect devices to your android phone/tablet), custom firmwares, and more fully featured software.
However it's not as polished and smooth as Windows Phone and iOS.
You may tell me that a phone doesn't need all that, but it's your opinion. Many others use those features daily.

LogMeIn
buffalosolja42 said:
Teamviewer, Logmein, or VPN really needs to be implemented in WP. As a early adopter and a happy 920 Owner I was really hoping to see this in WP8 hope it comes soon a lot of IT individuals can't make the switch because of this.
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LogMeIn is for us a very important tool to resposnd quickly to clients when not in the office. Hasa anyone already installed LogMeIn Ignition for WP8 ? We also search for an foldable keyboard which works with the Samsung Ativ WP8. Ay idea I love to see

IMHO, There's no point of having a phone with dual/quad core processor if it hangs or freezes quite often. I used Lumia 710 ( which is a low spec phone compared to my new S2), and I have never witnessed any OS sooo smooth. After switching to Samsung S2 (due to lack of apps), I now regret my decision.

Should i buy a Lumia 730?

Should i enter the world of windows?

Without knowing more about what you look for in a smartphone, and what services you already use, it's going to be really hard to make a useful argument.
I mean, practically everybody here uses WP, and many of us have been using it since WP7, and many used WinMo before that. So in general, we're obviously biased in favor of WP. But there's probably all kinds of related things there. For example, we probably haven't dropped a bunch of money on Android or iOS apps, so we don't have that reason to use a different platform. We probably don't rely too heavily on Google services; although some of them work quite well on WP the integration is obviously better on Android. On the other hand, we probably do use OneDrive, OneNote and so on, where the integration is a lot better on WP. We're also more likely to have an Xbox Music pass (what used to be called a Zune Pass), and WP is the only phone OS that can make use of that.
If you care a lot about Xbox Live gaming, then WP is a good choice; it's the only phone platform I know of with XBL support, and there are many games on WP that give XBL achievements and Gamerscore. If you like hacking, it has less malware than Android but is a little more open than iOS, although due to the relatively few people hacking on it progress tends to be slower than on iOS. On the other hand, with relatively few people hacking on it, you can be a big fish in a small pond if you can come up with new hacks or make existing ones work better. Cortana appears to be more powerful (and with better voice recognition) than Siri, and more reliably useful than Google's equivalent. It's easy to get early OS updates if you don't feel like waiting for carriers that drag their feet. WP runs better on low-end phones than Android does, and you can get better battery life out of the same hardware.
Seriously, without more idea of what you're looking for, it's really not going to be easy to tell you. The things that I like about the platform may be completely unrelated to the things you would like.

thanks for you reply
my primary needs in a smartphone are.
1) Camera (i like clicking pictures)
2) Social Networking
3) Gaming
I've used my brothers lumia 520 and found it great. The camera itself was great though its of 5MP.
On the other hand i've also used an android phone and i liked it too playin Clash of Clans all the time
I've not owned a smartphone till now.
And aware of not entering the flagship devices.
I just need a premium midrange phone .
For windows i've opt for L730
and for android the new Moto G 2nd gen.
So what should i do now...
The lumia got that fabula design ahead when compared to moto g
the camera too is great on lumia.
But the moto g has got the things to entertain you when you get bored.
Exploring android is awesome indeed.
You've got CoC when you need to waste time, torrent to download movies.
Dead Trigger to kill zombies
So what should i do?
I like both the device
and my needs are partially separated in bothe the device.
But i just need one to go with.
Give me your help

GoodDayToDie said:
Without knowing more about what you look for in a smartphone, and what services you already use, it's going to be really hard to make a useful argument.
I mean, practically everybody here uses WP, and many of us have been using it since WP7, and many used WinMo before that. So in general, we're obviously biased in favor of WP. But there's probably all kinds of related things there. For example, we probably haven't dropped a bunch of money on Android or iOS apps, so we don't have that reason to use a different platform. We probably don't rely too heavily on Google services; although some of them work quite well on WP the integration is obviously better on Android. On the other hand, we probably do use OneDrive, OneNote and so on, where the integration is a lot better on WP. We're also more likely to have an Xbox Music pass (what used to be called a Zune Pass), and WP is the only phone OS that can make use of that.
If you care a lot about Xbox Live gaming, then WP is a good choice; it's the only phone platform I know of with XBL support, and there are many games on WP that give XBL achievements and Gamerscore. If you like hacking, it has less malware than Android but is a little more open than iOS, although due to the relatively few people hacking on it progress tends to be slower than on iOS. On the other hand, with relatively few people hacking on it, you can be a big fish in a small pond if you can come up with new hacks or make existing ones work better. Cortana appears to be more powerful (and with better voice recognition) than Siri, and more reliably useful than Google's equivalent. It's easy to get early OS updates if you don't feel like waiting for carriers that drag their feet. WP runs better on low-end phones than Android does, and you can get better battery life out of the same hardware.
Seriously, without more idea of what you're looking for, it's really not going to be easy to tell you. The things that I like about the platform may be completely unrelated to the things you would like.
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i don't have xbox either

cabba403 said:
thanks for you reply
my primary needs in a smartphone are.
1) Camera (i like clicking pictures)
2) Social Networking
3) Gaming
I've used my brothers lumia 520 and found it great. The camera itself was great though its of 5MP.
On the other hand i've also used an android phone and i liked it too playin Clash of Clans all the time
I've not owned a smartphone till now.
And aware of not entering the flagship devices.
I just need a premium midrange phone .
For windows i've opt for L730
and for android the new Moto G 2nd gen.
So what should i do now...
The lumia got that fabula design ahead when compared to moto g
the camera too is great on lumia.
But the moto g has got the things to entertain you when you get bored.
Exploring android is awesome indeed.
You've got CoC when you need to waste time, torrent to download movies.
Dead Trigger to kill zombies
So what should i do?
I like both the device
and my needs are partially separated in bothe the device.
But i just need one to go with.
Give me your help
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You can actually torrent on wp, but if ou really like gaming on your cellphone you're better off with an android, just make sure the specs are high enough!

matgras said:
You can actually torrent on wp, but if ou really like gaming on your cellphone you're better off with an android, just make sure the specs are high enough!
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but i love Lumia too !

cabba403 said:
but i love Lumia too !
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Windows phones are absolutely fantastic on my opinion and any other OS just doesn't feel right, there are a lot of games on wp but android simply has more.
But it's up to you to decide

Android vs IOS my thoughts.

Hi all, new to the forum so thought I'd do this as my first post,
I have had android since it came out in 2008 on the G1 phone, having it for so long I fancied a change so traded my s6 edge plus for an iPhone 6s.
I had the iPhone for 2 weeks but really didn't get on with it, I'm not saying it's a bad phone but coming from an OS which is hugely customisable /tweekable I couldn't deal with the lack of deep editing and customisation so here are my pros and cons:
Ios:
Pros:
Really easy to use, a child could competently use one in a matter of hours,
Worked really well with my macbook air
Looks lovely.
No worries about malware or crap ad pushing apps.
Apple pay was brilliant
3d touch was great.
Updates are immediate after release and consistent.
Huge array of quality 3rd party accessories
Cons
Battery life was shocking,
Screen resolution is very dated and looks nowhere near as good as my androids
Camera was not as good and the macro was terrible
It felt like I didn't own the phone but was leasing it from Apple.
No customisation, the menus etc look so dated
No resizable keyboard,
Live wallpapers are extremely limited and didn't work well
No widgets
No sd card
Couldn't use it as a mass storage device.
ITunes has to be used for everything, and that's a bag of poop,
Replying and starting threads on the fretboard is a pain in the arse, they keyboard was constantly in the way of what I was typing.
The biggest thing for me was the fact you couldn't get into the system files,
I had the 16 version and had 1.2gbs worth of apps but 5gb of documents and data after 3 days if use! After a lot of research it's a known big issue they have not addressed And you can't do anything about it at all so half my storage was taken up by rubbish.
Android:
Pros:
Total freedom to customise everything,
Themes
Better camera
Better screen
Apps are cheaper or free
Much better battery life (from the phones I have had)
Cheaper
Integration with cloud and Google is phenomenal,
Can be used as mass storage and any file type can be played
Cheaper to insure
More storage space, and you can get rid of stuff you dont need.
The list goes on...
Cons:
Anyone can make an app so there is a load of crap, you have to do your homework on the apps available
Potential for malware (but this is nowhere as much of an issue as apple and the media make out, as long as you dont sideload apps.
Updates reliant on oem and carrier.
So after two weeks I sold the iPhone and got a HTC 10 which for me is better in literally every way.
I found on the iPhone I was using all of Google services and none of apples (drive, chrome Gmail etc)
Sifr is also nowhere near as good as Google now, and felt extremely limited compared.
I can totally see why people would stick with an iPhone as it does just work and works well but for me it's far to limited and had to find too many work arounds to get it to do what I want,
On the other hand my macbook air is the greatest laptop I have ever used and I would never buy anything else in the future.
So this is def not an apple bashing thread these are purely my direct experiences and fancied writing them down

In my opinion, both these platforms are slick, stable and secure, with thousands of apps available. Android is undoubtedly more customisable; iOS, you might argue, is a little more polished (especially on tablets). Visually they're quite distinctive too, taking different design approaches.

I prefer Android, and I think I always will prefer Android. I always was a Google & Android fanboy, and the fact that I mostly use only Google service, proves I couldn't be an iPhone user. Also, iOS is not open-source, which blocks customization and more. Plus, I don't like Siri

morozshaun said:
I prefer Android, and I think I always will prefer Android. I always was a Google & Android fanboy, and the fact that I mostly use only Google service, proves I couldn't be an iPhone user. Also, iOS is not open-source, which blocks customization and more. Plus, I don't like Siri
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To be honest that was the turning point for me, I did use any of apples apps all Google, they're leagues ahead, def proud to be a Google fanboy

I find iPhones to be slow, unstable, unreliable, unpolished, counter-intuitive and extremely limited. They have mediocre cameras, mediocre screens, crappy battery life, and NO MICROSD SLOT. Also, iOS is very difficult to use and SIRI SUCKS. I don't want all these problems in a >$750 device that can only run one operating system.

Google Voice may finally be available for the iPhone, but the experience will never be the same as it is on Android. Other iPhone apps always direct you to the default dialer and visual voicemail apps, so even if you want to use Google Voice full time, you have to manually navigate it to yourself. On Android, apps like Google Voice integrate directly with the operating system—if you want to make calls with Google Voice, every call you make from the phone's dialer goes through Google Voice. When you click on a phone number in your browser or in Google Maps, it goes through Google Voice instead of sending you to the wrong dialer. True app integration like this makes using custom phone, SMS, voicemail, and even browser apps absolutely seamless on Android, which is something you won't find on the more locked-down iPhone platform.

I should add that to my rant. I appreciate some of what Apple has done (most of it happened before I was born), but locking down everything is not one of them. Apple would've gone broke if it wasn't for their iPod. Part of the reason: Locking their stuff like that and being proprietary. Also, Apple products are not compatible with my real-world personality. I like freedom and to have control over what I own, and Apple products look, feel, and function like someone else's device. I want my stuff to look, feel, and function like my stuff. So I guess I am an Apple hater, but I won't yet call myself an Android fanboy. And, no, I am not the one person in the world with a Windows phone. I hate Windows for different reasons. So I guess I can only enjoy using a Linux-based OS on desktop and laptop computers. And OSes like Android and Sailfish on mobile.
In case you want a summary of what I said, you can call me an Apple and/or MS hater, or a Linux lover, I don't care. But don't call me an Android fanboy. I like Android, but I am willing to try other OSes if they fit my personality of freedom, customization, simplicity, transparency, and reliability.

of course android=open source!!!

andriod are more customable and modable

At that moment using both iOS and Android. The only thing i really hate about android is that after some time device starting to perform really poor lagging freezing and so on and you cannot fix it by doing hard reset wiping all your data, it helps a little but its barely helps. So i cannot recommend to buy for inexperienced users android devices for a long term use. Long story short, i bought nexus 7 tablet when it was just released, it was super fast and smooth. Didn't install any os updates on it and after 1 year i couldn't enjoy it anymore, constantly lagging. Never experienced the same with iOS, always smooth, but yeah it has lots of limitations.

Nexus devices are meant to be tinkered with so they will slow down unless you mess with them. My cheap tablet had no noticeable slowdown in 4 years. iOS doesn't slow down because it is already slow.

Daniel Marchena recently wrote an article for XDA that relates to this topic and I think he made some good points on Android vs IOS. What it comes down to for me though is the fun of hacking the device. I personally had a lot of fun jailbreaking the iPhone, and iMessage is some of the coolest stuff ever. Although after switching to Android I don't think I'm ever going to go back. It's nicer being encouraged to play with Android then playing cat and mouse with Apple.

both are very different working platform, I use to be a IOS user iPhone 2g but after iPhone 4s i made a desicion to switch to android, with android has so much possibilites, you can do more with an android then an iPhone, iPhone is pretty basic and yeah a child could use... One thing i noticed is that gaming on an Iphone is much better with good FPS.. there hardware is so much optimized with the software.. currently using S7 edge and really happy with it, except some minor issues.. Glad to have a headphone jack though