Hi,
I'm working on a networking project. Im using the following device:
Platform: HTC TyTN II Kaiser
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1
I have a C++ programme that runs on linux in my computer. How can I run the same in this mobile device?
Many thanks
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You need to use MS Visual Studio 2005 (or 2008) to compile the C++ program.
Or embedded visual C++.
A list of dev tools for PPC is on the wiki : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Complete list of Development links and resources
Thanks
Dave
DaveShaw said:
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You need to use MS Visual Studio 2005 (or 2008) to compile the C++ program.
Or embedded visual C++.
A list of dev tools for PPC is on the wiki : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Complete%20list%20of%20Development%20links%20and%20resources
Thanks
Dave
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Throwing in my 2 cents in. Save yourself the trouble and don't even consider Embedded Visual C++ (4). Stick VS 2005+ and you'll be good.
The free express versions do not support mobile development.
nitro2u said:
Hi Peter,
Can I please know how to use Visual Studio to run C++ code on a Windows mobile device?
Is there a special version of VS that i need to look for?
Please kindly drop me a reply to:
thanks a lot
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This is what you need to know. There are SDKs for Pocket PCs that are built into Visual Studio. The default ones are adequate. Typically, you'll connect to a PDA/PocketPC via ActiveSync. Visual Studio will pick up on this. There are specific mobile properties and options for this.
From that point, it's point and shoot. When you debug an application, it will automatically go over to the Windows CE device. If you're doing .Net it will install a cab for .Net
Thanks again Peter for your reply.
Even though my project is to programme for this HTC device I don't have the device yet. So what I need to do is test it on my laptop.
Is there any Windows Mobile 'simulator' that I can run on my computer and test?
Also I will need to install Visual Studio on this simulator, is it?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...52-f89e-4354-84ce-5d19c204498a&displaylang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
Hi Peter,
Please take a look at the above links. Are these any of the ones I should use?
Thanks
You want to get a copy of Visual Studio 2005 or 2008 if you are serious about programming - I got it from my university and the MSDNAA Website which allows students to download selected MS software which is related to my course for free - and being a computer science student they give me VS 08.
But it is available on several torrent websites. Remember I am not recommending nor do I condone illegal downloading of pirated software - I am only providing information for research purposes.
Why do you want it?
Its a complete developement environment - You get everything - Including an emulator to test your programs. You can download plugins, which let you program in other languages (e.g. I have the VB Mobile plugin which allows me to program in VB for mobile devices) - The plugins are free.
Personally, I use it for a large chunk of my programming - as it supports a vast array of programming languages - and it includes built in compilers (I know this sounds obvious, but I have used programming environments which do not contain compilers), Emulators (for testing) and can support alot more with downloadable plugins (obviously you need the SDK).
If your PC is a little old (eg early XP) - get VS05 - but if you have a newer PC (late XP to Vista), get VS08, they both do basically the same thing.
Hope this helps.
Hi again,
Many thanks for your reply
Will this version of VS work for my project? :
Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition (90-day Trial)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ec-ed72-4a79-8961-25635db0192b&displaylang=en
If it does... then i will install it first in my laptop (which run Win XP Pro) and then I will install the emulator.
This is the emulator right?
Windows Mobile 6 Professional and Standard Software Development Kits Refresh
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
Looking forward for your support thanks
is possible win mobile on htc tattoo?
tanks
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583920
Still trying to find a method to root the device, then WM is pretty much further (and uninteresting sincerely). Buying a Tattoo for WM is a really bad idea, I don't even know if the processor can support WM
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
Coburn64 said:
Windows Mobile is closed source, so no, it possibly couldn't be done.
Windows Mobile is lame anyway, it's actually a dummified version of Windows 2000 running some pretty GUI. Win Mobile is also a GUI on top of Windows CE, I believe the latest version is WinCE 6.5.
WinCE afaik needs to be compiled for specific CPU and such... It's not a one-size-fits-all setup. Sorry to pop your bubble.
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A little history from wiki..
Released in 16 November 1996 Codename "Alder".
Devices named "handheld PC" (HPC).
2.0 Released in September 1997 Codename "Birch".
Devices named "Palm-sized PC".
Real-time deterministic task scheduling.
Architectures: ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, StrongARM, SuperH and x86.
32-bit color screens.
SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0.
3.0Released in June 2000 [MSCE3].Codename "Cedar".
Major recode that made CE hard real time down to the microsecond level.
Base for the Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002 and Smartphone 2002.
Priority levels was increased from 8 to 256.
Object store was increased from 65 536 to 4,19 million allowed objects.
Restricted access to critical APIs or restricting write access to parts of the registry.
4.x Released in January 2002 [MSCE4].Codename "Talisker/Jameson/McKendric".
Driver structure changed greatly, new features added.
Base for "Pocket PC 2003".
Bluetooth support.
TLS (SSL 3.1), IPsec L2TP VPN, or Kerberos.
5.0 Released in August 2004.Adds lots of features. Codename "Macallan".
Automatic report of bugs to the manufacturer.
Direct3D Mobile, a COM-based version of Windows XP's DirectX multimedia API.
DirectDraw for 2D graphics and DirectShow for camera and video digitisation support.
Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) support.
6.x Released in September 2006. Codename "Yamazaki".
Process address space is increased from 32 MB to 1 GB.
Number of processes has been increased from 32 to 32 768.
User mode and kernel mode device drivers are possible.
512MB physically managed memory
Device.exe, filesys.exe, GWES.exe has been moved to Kernel mode.
SetKMode and set process permissions not possible.
System call performance improved.
Theres no doubt Windows can do more than Android can in certain areas that really make a device useful. Windows Mobile= Mini PC w/phone capabilities, and Android= Modern Smart phone/w PC like functionality. It's all up to what you want in a phone..but if you gave me a Mini PC Phone..all in one word..that will be winner.
Cant understand WHY anyone wants WM ??? Its **** compare to Android in my world
OK, Could be nice with update for android to 2.x but windows mobile = hell no....
WM Shouldn't be a priority - Let's root and update
I have owned several WM devices, and Android is way superior than WM. Why would you buy a tattoo and then convert it? You should have bought a WM device if you want WM. Anyway, we should first be able to root the device, and update to 2.1.
Let us get our priorities right people!
besides being free source and visually more appealing i fail to see where exactly does android out do windows mobile???? Functionality ways according to me nothing beats windows mobile. I upgraded to the hero just to try something different, just to see what android is like..and in no way is it better than windows mobile....if ur talking about sense ui, facebook integration, and all the million other widgets that make your experience a great one.....that isn't the android OS per se...theyre just add ons. any way SPB mobile 3.5 is still better than the sense ui that we get on our phones.
things i didn't like about android:
-No bluetooth file transfer(at least in the version im running on the hero now)
-No bluetooth tethering option(i used to use this a lot on my windows phone)
-no option of installing programs on sd card( i had to root and install apps to sd, that too cache still remains on the phone memory)
-lacks basic programs when it comes from the factory, being a smart phone one would expect it to ship with basic programs like a file explorer and an office suite. but no...this phone overly depends on the market for everything.
conclusion
Although android is developing fast and seems to have a promising future, it is yet to become as good as windows mobile let alone out doing it. if i had the money i would surely buy an HD2.
We all know Android looks nicer but how does that make it superior? Wouldn't the operation system with the most features be ahead? Windows mobile will get flash 10.1 support first..windows CE usually powers all the intese 3D U.I's you see in embedded devices. Even nvidia has said they prefer the windows kernel over linux for doing 3D applications. I'm just saying the next windows mobile is obviously going be like holding a Mini Gaming PC from 2005-2006 in your pocket. Android will have to impress me with just good looks, and open source goodness..if theres an alternative that can actually do more. Dont get me wrong though, once i've booted Android on my device I never looked backed at windows again.
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
Coburn64 said:
Whoopeedoo, a smartphone with a 3D UI. Big deal. Windows Mobile is horrible on Battery Life, I had a Windows Mobile PDA and it was in standby after a full charge, and it just drained like crazy yet it was idle.
Android is open source. It can be extended, edited and used for any task - It powers some eBook readers. Windows Mobile is crap, it's based on Windows NT Kernel (yes, that's correct) and you can't develop apps for WM unless you learn all the .NET garbage.
FACT: Android supports Bluetooth File Transfer via custom APK.
Go get a HTC Hero or HTC Dream with Quickoffice if you want some office app on your phone. Who would want to type a school assignment on their phone anyway?
I'll be a linux and android supporter, I'm not going to be corrupted with Windows Mobile. I use Windows CE + Linux on my Jornada HPC, so I'll have a shot at porting Android over to it.
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Yeah, I'm just saying the next high end windows phones will bring mobile smartphones into the next level. It will support higher res 1200x600 screens ,multiple screen support, being able to output movies, and UI to your TV..making it a true portable media device. You'll basically have a xbox 360/Zune/PC in your pocket.
hers what to do
send me your tatoo
ill send you my htc touch mk 1
fair swap
you get windows
i get anotheR lovely android device !!
(( no but seriously the apps you want i can sort of agree with, file managers on android are a whole new thing when your used to win-mob, maybe try linda file manager or astro its just a getting used to process... or we can swap ! ))
=====PEACE=====
eldrid said:
@above
whatever suits you dude. For me, yes i can live with android(till i can afford the HD2) but the experience is not as pleasing as it was on the win mobile platform. As far as battery life goes, i have never had any issue with win mob, its pretty much the same as android...... well at least for my usage.
NO the android 1.5 that i currently run on the HERO does not support bluetooth file transfer or tethering even via a custom apk, although the much acclaimed 2.0 and newer versions do. But sadly there hasn't yet been any official release from HTC and the leaked roms though good (thanks to the efforts of the devs) aren't stable enough for my daily usage. In the end it all boils down to personal preference and your needs, whats superior and whats not doesn't matter really.
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Noted, I guess I misread your post as "OMG Android ****, WM pwns". Sorry if I offended you.
I'm sure if people wanted to, they could make a Win Mobile UI for android... but in my opinion, Android has a better feature set and can be hacked more than Windows Mobile can.
Hey i wasn't offended. Any way i agree the win mob UI is ****ty, its just the way the platform works that makes me like it, its very much like the windows pc that we use and are so overly familiar with. May be i will eventually get used to android.
As far as hacking goes....well no one has been able to root the tattoo or the droid eris yet...but almost all win mob devices at least have a soft spl out there.
Again a phone is meant to satisfy an almost unique set of needs of each individual, so yes its all personal preference.
I love the market on the android though..tons of free applications and in future if i had to buy a phone i would always choose a win mob or android phone...had a bad experience with symbian and i simply don't like the i-phone.
True. The iPhone UI is too simple, Windows Mobile had me going around in circles wondering how to send files to another device, and Android is just a "little slice of heaven". Again, that's my two cents, but yes, if any hardcore WM hacker wants a challenge, try porting WM to the HTC Click.
normally such porting is very hard if not impossible as drivers for the tattoo are made to be used with android 1.6, writing drivers from scratch for windows is going to be a royal pain in the @$$ for most developers.
Morning all,
I've got my hands on something for testing but I just gone and confused myself between CE and WinMo...
Has anyone here heard of Maplins MID? (It's not a phone, just a Mobile Internet Device using WiFi) It's correct / device id is A10JQ MID and can be found on google for full specs... only costs £70 though.
My question to pose to all the brains on XDA Developers: What can be done to upgrade a device like this?
It comes with some reasonable features, but is no where near as powerful as a decent WinMo phone like my HTC Touch. I have developed some stupid little apps using .NET and despite getting .NET CF to install on the device, it still won't run the .NET mobile apps.
Is there somewhere I can look at information for ripping / modifying the ROM like I do with my phone?
Specs-wise, it's very similar to the HTC Magician (M500) but with a better screen (it has the same SIP/Keyboard). Obviously there's no GSM hardware but that seems to make the device quicker to operate.
The WiFi may have been an after thought; there's an expansion slot for SD-Cards which I am using for storage, however there is no other visible slot, yet the WiFi is powered by a SD-IO card (presumably internal). The annoying part is that the WiFi is switched off by default, and there's a fumbled routine for switching it back on using the device's 'custom' menu system. Windows CE has it's own controls to do this but there's no menus. (Think parents trying to use this thing).
Any thoughts you guys have would be appreciated. Has anyone else got one yet and found what's compatible / or not?
Thanks,
I have heard of it.
Is it win ce core?
It wont run many apps
flyboy
CE Core?
It's definitely not as good as the 6.5 ROM on my touch hd, but whats confusing me is that some of the pieces of software on there are much more advanced than the older CE devices that I've got. The system properties say:
- Microsoft Windows CE Version 5.00 (Build 1400)
- Processor Type: Telechips, ARM926-TCC79X
It's got plenty of RAM for a mobile internet browser, and browses the Internet quicker than my touch hd... well it brings the pages up quicker! It has no flash video support but uses core player to allow some access to you tube.
I read up mostly on developing my devices using .NET - from what I got; Windows Mobile is a 'fork' version of CE developed mainly with mobile GSM/Wireless devices in mind, but is compatible with CE applications. The compatibility implications are mostly to do with form-factors (layout). But I've found that I can't even get Total Commander to work!
I would just like to update to something more compatible / customisable... I suppose that's just the developer in me?
erm...
windows mobile is based on ce.
Is it that you want to run different apps on the device?
flyboy
Hy!
I think its an normal Windows CE like it runs on thousends of PNA devices.....the only Diffrerence is that the Mapplin is "DesktopFree" by default....( you can also make every WinCE PNA "DesktopFree" )......
So in Google you can find a lot of Software (Apps) for Windows CE......
MFG
Wwesome price for a device like this, i wish they sold it here
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
md80410 said:
how I can insall app design for wp8 at wp7
what about update wp7 to wp8 (I have hd7 wp7.8)
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Firstly this is Windows 8 not windows phone 8.
But in answer to your question. There is no way to update a windows phone 7 device to windows phone 8. Windows phone 8 apps physically cannot run on windows phone 7 as it lacks the APIs to do so. Most developers right now still make apps for windows phone 7 because they can run on both 7 and 8.
If you want windows phone 8 and windows phone 8 apps, get a windows phone 8 handset.
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
GoodDayToDie said:
As for upgrading WP7 device to WP8, it's technically not impossible - the hardware can run it (though poorly) - but the WP8 OS was designed to require hardware features not present on WP7 handsets. Consequently, there are no WP7 devices which receive an official update to WP8.
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The biggest limitation for an update is a complete kernel swap. WP7 used the windows CE kernel. WP8 uses the windows NT kernel. For all intents and purposes this makes them entirely different operating systems and the technical difficulty of issuing an update for WP7 to 8 would be like releasing an update to the iPhone that installs android or an update to windows 8 which installs OSX.
Its only because WP7 apps are in .NET and it was possible to port .NET to WP8 that WP7 apps do run on WP8. Other than that the only relationships between the 2 platforms are name, general design style and the fact that they are made by the same company.
But otherwise. WP8 could feasibly run on WP7 handsets. Its just it wouldn't be possible to do the same way as regular software updates. Plus most WP7 devices are actually pretty low spec, they were all single core hitting clock speeds of 1.4ghz max, half gb of ram usually. Not beasts of handsets at all.
What do you mean by "regular updates"? Each Windows Phone update required the phone switching to a special "Update OS" boot mode where the "ROM" of the main OS could be modified, and at that point switching out the kernel (and associated userspace libraries) is no harder than, for example, switching out IE7 for IE9 (which the Mango update to WP7 did). Yeah, it's not really the same OS afterward, but so what? The data is still there.
Admittedly, WP7 makes substantial use of Windows Embedded Database and CE Database files, which are accessed through APIs that are CE-specific extensions to the standard Win32 API. Those would either need to be ported to the Win32/NT API, or the data in them would need to be converted to another format during the update... or the phone's configuration would need to be wiped and set up with defaults again, which would kind of suck but still be better than "no WP8 for you; go buy new hardware!"
Anyhow, this whole thread is in the wrong forum. Could somebody do something about that?